August 31, 2016

Brazil's Senate Votes to Remove President Rousseff From Office Over Financial Suspicions
— Ace

This is basically a Portuguese-speaking Hillary Rodham Clinton. Face the future.

After an emotionally charged, late-night debate, the Brazilian Senate voted Wednesday to remove suspended President Dilma Rousseff from office for fiscal irregularities, a move she said amounted to an illegal coup.

The 61-20 vote capped a year-long power struggle between Rousseff's long-governing leftist government and opposition senators and comes less than two weeks after the Rio Olympics, which highlighted Brazil but also put the country's economic and political woes on international display.

The Senate suspended Rousseff in May on charges that she used illegal budgetary maneuvers to hide the extent of the country's financial problems. Brazil's once-booming economy slumped into a deep recession after a global slowdown sent prices plummeting for commodities it exports to the world.

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Opponents of the 68-year-old Rousseff, a former guerrilla fighter, charged that she broke the law in manipulating the government budget to preserve popular social programs that bolstered her re-election in 2014.

#NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president.

Consequences have consequences.

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1 Don't cry for me.

Posted by: Dilma Rousseff at August 31, 2016 10:49 AM (Mt8T4)

2 Brazilian a-holes. Who needs you?

Posted by: Dilma Rousseff at August 31, 2016 10:50 AM (Mt8T4)

3 "Opponents of the 68-year-old Rousseff, a former guerrilla fighter.." She killed Harambe!

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 31, 2016 10:50 AM (nFdGS)

4 >>>Consequences have consequences. Sometimes.

Posted by: m at August 31, 2016 10:51 AM (gfJWV)

5 th?

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 31, 2016 10:51 AM (GHdiF)

6 Irregularities? You try passing an e-mail server in a bathroom. That's downright constipated.

Posted by: potatoes (au gratin) at August 31, 2016 10:51 AM (326rv)

7 Colin Powell Ryan Lochte told me to do those things.

Posted by: [s]Hellary Clinton[/s] Dilma Rousseff at August 31, 2016 10:52 AM (H9MG5)

8 it's not racist to impeach her: she's a white hispanic...

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 31, 2016 10:52 AM (GHdiF)

9 Financial spamancial! hic

Posted by: Hillary 2016! at August 31, 2016 10:52 AM (7zkP4)

10 Except our Senate will never vote to remove Hillary, no matter what.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 31, 2016 10:52 AM (AroJD)

11 impeaching a "historic first" presentshit, OTOH...

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 31, 2016 10:52 AM (GHdiF)

12 hic

Posted by: Hillary at August 31, 2016 10:52 AM (NagBY)

13 Gee, a socialist government and a President remarkably like the Choom.  Big difference, they have an opposition Party.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at August 31, 2016 10:53 AM (mpXpK)

14 #NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president. For some, of course. Ego is the headiest of drugs.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at August 31, 2016 10:53 AM (V3IFq)

15 #NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president. The ones I've encountered seem just fine with it.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 31, 2016 10:53 AM (0mRoj)

16 #NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president. ---------- If the result it is impeachment and removal, I might get comfortable.

Posted by: SH at August 31, 2016 10:53 AM (gmeXX)

17 I dont get the obsession with nevertrumpers being in any way responsible for a hillary election. We are in a Democratic leaning nation. For a Republican to win he must have his base and win over several million non republican voters. Trump cant do either, so blaming nevertrumpers, as if the margin of error was within their sphere of influence, makes no sense to me.

Posted by: lloyd at August 31, 2016 10:54 AM (tV21K)

18 Putin was obviously behind this. He's soooo catty.

Posted by: potatoes (au gratin) at August 31, 2016 10:54 AM (326rv)

19 2 Brazilian a-holes. Who needs you? Posted by: Dilma Rousseff at August 31, 2016 03:50 PM (Mt8T4) Spas that provide waxing services.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 31, 2016 10:54 AM (0mRoj)

20 Putin's gotten to Ace now too.

Posted by: pesonally(shitthebed) at August 31, 2016 10:54 AM (LdMbv)

21 You, bitch, potatoes! Are you mocking me?!

Posted by: pesonally(shitthebed) at August 31, 2016 10:55 AM (LdMbv)

22 Wow, a system of government with checks and balances that work, where did that revolutionary idea come from?

Posted by: GT 5.0 at August 31, 2016 10:55 AM (TMAPj)

23 Opponents of the 68-year-old Rousseff, a former guerrilla fighter


Huh. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2016 10:55 AM (1ZOkK)

24 Ace, do you think our government could ever find the integrity needed to remove a President from office?

Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2016 10:55 AM (d6TTt)

25 10 Except our Senate will never vote to remove Hillary, no matter what. Why would they ? Most of the GOP leadership agrees with over half of her proposed policies.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 31, 2016 10:55 AM (hhDmb)

26 How can those idiots condemn Lochte when their whole system is corrupt from the head down?

Posted by: Yuimetal at August 31, 2016 10:55 AM (Mt8T4)

27 If only we had an oppositional legislature. For the first time, I'm envying another country's government.

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2016 10:56 AM (Fmupd)

28 What's all this now? Korea is bailing on a failed corporation, letting the market decide. Brazil is throwing out a corrupt President. What's going on here? Everything's upside down and backwards........

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 31, 2016 10:56 AM (tWUP9)

29 So the United States is now officially more of a Third World shithole than Brazil. Heckuva job, Barky.

Posted by: rickl at August 31, 2016 10:56 AM (zoehZ)

30 The Senate suspended Rousseff in May on charges that she used illegal budgetary maneuvers to hide the extent of the country's financial problems. If they did this in Washington, the city would have 5 people left in it.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2016 10:56 AM (z/Ubi)

31 I dont get the obsession with nevertrumpers being in any way responsible for a hillary election. We are in a Democratic leaning nation. For a Republican to win he must have his base and win over several million non republican voters. Trump cant do either, so blaming nevertrumpers Nevertrumpers ARE republicans butthurt because their guy sucked ballz and couldn't win.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at August 31, 2016 10:56 AM (Gzt/W)

32 Great. South American banana republics have more will to maintain ethical standards than we do.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2016 10:56 AM (+wjl1)

33 We can't impeach Historic First Bi-Racial preezy, we sure as hell would never impeach Historic First Vagina.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2016 10:57 AM (1ZOkK)

34 Democrat US Senators would not vote to remove Stalin from office much less HRC.

Posted by: David Ferguson at August 31, 2016 10:57 AM (iFCFD)

35 The Brazilian Senate removed a corrupt president? Wait, so how did you get the donors on board?

Posted by: The US Senate at August 31, 2016 10:57 AM (PL2OL)

36 I don't care who is the president of Brazil as long as we have Car nie Val. and naked samba dancers.

Posted by: Gregory the Lost at August 31, 2016 10:57 AM (Q/UcH)

37 A socialist caught being -- corrupt??? That is umpossible! Socialists are altruistic, selfless and kind-hearted! This has never happened before!

Posted by: zombie at August 31, 2016 10:57 AM (jBuUi)

38 "#NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president." So long as they keep their social standing and power, then yes, they are quite comfortable.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Get Your Campaign F.U.D. Fix at the Outrage Outlet! New Shipments Arrive Daily! at August 31, 2016 10:57 AM (hLRSq)

39 We can't impeach Historic First Bi-Racial preezy, we sure as hell would never impeach Historic First Vagina. Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2016 03:57 PM (1ZOkK) This. Never happen. Our Government has been outed for some time now.

Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2016 10:58 AM (d6TTt)

40 I was willowed in the dead thread, so you get my post anyway, because I had fun writing it. ======= Somebody is that thick?* That's just sad. *I ain't talking about the waistline, but yeah - there too. Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Get Your Campaign F.U.D. Fix at the Outrage Outlet! New Shipments Arrive Daily! at August 31, 2016 03:51 PM (hLRSq) That's just how I picture them, I am like totally sure they are really winsome lingerie models taking a quick break here at AoSHQ from their Quantum Mechanics PHD thesis writing while nibbling on quinoa and drinking a kale smoothie and looking out their penthouse apartment view of the Hudson river.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 31, 2016 10:58 AM (kXoT0)

41 I thought if you impeached a president you were racist.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at August 31, 2016 10:59 AM (+wjl1)

42 Intensities in tent cities.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 31, 2016 10:59 AM (NpXoL)

43 Brazil has Carnival, while the US has Carnie Val, the toothless hag who operates the Tilt-a-Whirl.

Posted by: zombie at August 31, 2016 10:59 AM (jBuUi)

44 >>>We can't impeach Historic First Bi-Racial preezy, we sure as hell would never impeach Historic First Vagina.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2016 03:57 PM (1ZOkK)<<<



Hey, cut her some slack... she's not that old. I think she may be like the Historic Fourth or Fifth Vagina.

Posted by: Eve, the actual Historic First Vagina at August 31, 2016 10:59 AM (H9MG5)

45 >>Opponents of the 68-year-old Rousseff, a former guerrilla fighter What a poseur.

Posted by: Harambe - Former Gorilla Fighter at August 31, 2016 11:00 AM (/tuJf)

46 How many reasons were there to impeach Rousseff? At least a Brazillion.

Posted by: Hillary is with you at August 31, 2016 11:00 AM (pnA/u)

47 The campaign which first elected Rousseff had many distinct similarities to the original Obama personality-cult campaign of 2008.

Right down to the slow orchestrated chants of adoration by the crowds, the steady repetition of "Dil-ma, Dil-ma".

About the only thing they didn't rip off from the Obama operation were the giant Styrofoam columns.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 31, 2016 11:00 AM (noWW6)

48 Intensities in tent cities. That made me laff even tho it's a little unnerving.

Posted by: Steve Buscemi's leg in a wood chippa. at August 31, 2016 11:00 AM (qUNWi)

49 I dont get the obsession with nevertrumpers being in any way responsible for a hillary election. We are in a Democratic leaning nation. For a Republican to win he must have his base and win over several million non republican voters. Trump cant do either, so blaming nevertrumpers, as if the margin of error was within their sphere of influence, makes no sense to me. Posted by: lloyd at August 31, 2016 03:54 PM (tV21K) Think of it this way: whenever a candidate they preferred would be nominated they called for all to put away their differences and rally together. As soon as a candidate that they do not prefer is nominated they refuse to rally. The selfish hypocrisy has been noted time and again, and this time around it is sparking widespread anger.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Get Your Campaign F.U.D. Fix at the Outrage Outlet! New Shipments Arrive Daily! at August 31, 2016 11:00 AM (hLRSq)

50 Dilma Rousseff == Angela Lansbury. You can tell they are evil just by looking at them.

Posted by: Yuimetal at August 31, 2016 11:00 AM (Mt8T4)

51 "...68-year-old Rousseff, a former guerrilla fighter"

**

My kind of gal.

Posted by: Magilla Guerilla at August 31, 2016 11:01 AM (NpXoL)

52
StephanieNolen

Very grand honour guard w gold helmets topped with dragons AND red poofy things, white coats, lined up to witness @MichelTemer taking office


Man, she ain't kidding:

[pics]

alamy.com/stock-photo/brazilian-presidential-guard.html

Quite the Game of Thrones down there in the Antipodes.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 31, 2016 11:01 AM (kdS6q)

53 >>>At least a Brazillion.

Posted by: Hillary is with you at August 31, 2016 04:00 PM (pnA/u)<<<



That pun was really amazon!

Posted by: no, not really at August 31, 2016 11:02 AM (H9MG5)

54 Think of it this way: whenever a candidate they preferred would be nominated they called for all to put away their differences and rally together. For the last 35 years.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at August 31, 2016 11:02 AM (Gzt/W)

55 Well, if Brazil can get rid of a slimy, sinful, socialist skank, then why can't we? Oh, and I think there's some campaign ad fodder to be had from the successful impeachment and conviction of that murderous bitch. The one in Brazil, I mean. The one running for President here, should never attain such office from which to be impeached, in the first place. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at August 31, 2016 11:02 AM (7x4lH)

56 "she used illegal budgetary maneuvers to hide the extent of the country's financial problems." SHOCK. No communist in the history of the world has ever done this! Now get back to harvesting turnips on the collective farm, comrade! The Five Year Plan is succeeding because of your valiant efforts! And wheat harvests are up this year too!

Posted by: zombie at August 31, 2016 11:02 AM (jBuUi)

57 The selfish hypocrisy has been noted time and again, and this time around it is sparking widespread anger. Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Get Your Campaign F.U.D. Fix at the Outrage Outlet! New Shipments Arrive Daily! at August 31, 2016 04:00 PM (hLRSq) Especially from those of us who voted for McCain and Romney despite our qualms about those fine gentlemen. It has been especially instructive this election to see Romney's behavior.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 31, 2016 11:03 AM (kXoT0)

58 #NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president. ------- They childishly proclaim that they aren't responsible for electing Hillary because they live in magic justwords land.

Posted by: Memories at August 31, 2016 11:03 AM (mwcEF)

59 "#NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president."

Funny, I asked the Trumpsters the very same thing prior to the primaries.

Posted by: Brian_AL at August 31, 2016 11:03 AM (Dm/Xm)

60 "Except our Senate will never vote to remove Hillary, no matter what."

I'm remembering that utter asshat Arlen Specter wanting to enter a vote of "Not Proven" during the Billy Jeff impeachment proceedings.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 31, 2016 11:03 AM (noWW6)

61 Basically a portogee speaking Hillary Clinton ++++++++++++ Yeah, didn't Dilma have the national prosecutor bumped off in his bathroom last year?

Posted by: simplemind at August 31, 2016 11:03 AM (xVRrG)

62 #NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president. Consequences have consequences. ------ Part of the reason I'm not #NeverTrump is because I know that if Hillary gets elected, removal from office is never going to happen, given the media and GOPe. If I thought that was a possibility, I'd be less inclined to defend Trump's antics. But it's not, so all I'm left with is a seat on the Trump Train.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 31, 2016 11:03 AM (KUaJL)

63 >>Fortunately for Hillary, we don't see to have any illegal budgetary maneuvers.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2016 11:03 AM (/tuJf)

64 Think of it this way: whenever a candidate they preferred would be nominated they called for all to put away their differences and rally together. As soon as a candidate that they do not prefer is nominated they refuse to rally. The selfish hypocrisy has been noted time and again, and this time around it is sparking widespread anger. Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Get Your Campaign F.U.D. Fix at the Outrage Outlet! New Shipments Arrive Daily! at August 31, 2016 04:00 PM (hLRSq) ----------------- Except it isn't support for any one candidate. In many, perhaps most, cases, NeverTrumpers would have supported ANY of the other candidates - and they said as much. And lockstep support has never been demanded here before. When Romney got the nod in '12, most folks on these boards mocked him ruthlessly. In sharp contrast, many Trump supporters seem to need endless, unbroken validation. Look, these boards used to be full of cries to "let it burn." Well, it's burning now. Enjoy it.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 31, 2016 11:04 AM (mFkVC)

65 lloyd, you dillhole, things work like this: the Nevertrump movement has influence primarily through media figures who are prominently and activistly (new word?) #Nevertrump. This does nothing but impart legitimacy to false narratives in the more mainstream media, which are then circled back around and spread further by camp #Nevertrump. A massive circlejerk of whinge that may absolutely have an effect on a candidate who has problem areas with social acceptability, primarily because those weak areas like to pretend to be informed. The role played in this by individual Nevertrumpers, not having media platforms? Spreading FUD among their own personal connections, but also legitimizing the activity of #NeverTrump the media movement. The repeated line that #NeverTrump can't stop Trump if Trump were able to win anyway is - get this - intended as a lie by Your Betters. "Shhh", they say. "It's okay to oppose Trump, because your role in things isn't big enough." Yes, but theirs certainly may be - they definitely hope it is - and you are legitimizing them and empowering them. They rely on you to make their efforts possible, one at a time. Their aim is not your aim, and -frankly - their motives are evil. They hope for Hillary and tell you Hillary won't be your fault. Fuck them. Will they be proven wrong? IS their influence less than they imagine? Maybe. But in the mean time, make sure you can afford your pieties... really.

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 31, 2016 11:05 AM (eXSOZ)

66 She was suspended? Did she have to sit in the rubber room or did she get to stay home and watch cartoons?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 31, 2016 11:05 AM (Oy7w+)

67 Part of the reason I'm not #NeverTrump is because I know that if Hillary gets elected, removal from office is never going to happen, given the media and GOPe. If I thought that was a possibility, I'd be less inclined to defend Trump's antics. But it's not, so all I'm left with is a seat on the Trump Train. Posted by: joe, living dangerously at August 31, 2016 04:03 PM (KUaJL) This makes total sense, by the way.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 31, 2016 11:05 AM (mFkVC)

68 Brazilian Senate votes to remove President from office. Wow. Just imagine if we had an opposition party in THIS country.

Posted by: dissent555 at August 31, 2016 11:05 AM (VFhMt)

69 >>>Yeah, didn't Dilma have the national prosecutor bumped off in his bathroom last year?
Posted by: simplemind at August 31, 2016 04:03 PM (xVRrG)<<<




Don't cry for me, murdered prosecutor.







Posted by: Argentina's Cristina Kirchner at August 31, 2016 11:06 AM (H9MG5)

70 A woman can be found to be corrupt, despite claims of conspiracy against her. Plus... Sheriff Joe won. Grayson lost. McCain was a lock anyway, surprised it was that close. Presidential polls tightening. More bad email news for Hillary has come out and she's now caught in more lies. Trump is in Mexico. Hillary is in stasis/hiding. NFL Brass says no one will pick SF dud QB, refers to him as traitor. I'll take it.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 31, 2016 11:06 AM (3myMJ)

71 Shit it never leaves

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2016 11:06 AM (Ozsfq)

72 #NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president. ++++ She's the pro war candidate and they want to keep throwing blood and money around in the middle east. Maybe Russia too.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 31, 2016 11:06 AM (THupw)

73 Oh, and President Obama says that unemployment is at 6%, comrade! Glorious news! He never ever ever would use financial trickery to hide the full disastrous extract of the nation's financial woes, and the non-fact that the true unemployment rate is closer to 25% because the Feds stopped counting those people who simply gave up looking for jobs! He would never do that!

Posted by: zombie at August 31, 2016 11:06 AM (jBuUi)

74 Trump and the little mexican entering

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2016 11:06 AM (Ozsfq)

75 disastrous extract = disastrous extent

Posted by: zombie at August 31, 2016 11:06 AM (jBuUi)

76 former guerrilla fighter ==================== adept at dodging sniper fire?

Posted by: simplemind at August 31, 2016 11:07 AM (xVRrG)

77 Maybe someday we can have a procedure to legally remove a corrupt, lying, traitor dirtbag from office. One can only dream.

Posted by: JackS at August 31, 2016 11:07 AM (hgwL9)

78 Impeachment count 1: Her name is Dilma.

Posted by: I'm scared now at August 31, 2016 11:07 AM (K3F/8)

79 Mehican press conference: Mehican prez: Hey, Ceesco! Trump: Hey, Pancho!

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2016 11:07 AM (Fmupd)

80 Considering the demographic realities in the US, if Hillary wins this go round, we'll likely never see another non-Socialist President. It's likely time for us to consider what the future will be. Or maybe people don't care.

Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2016 11:07 AM (d6TTt)

81 And lockstep support has never been demanded here before. When Romney got the nod in '12, most folks on these boards mocked him ruthlessly. Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 31, 2016 04:04 PM (mFkVC) I really hate to engage with you. But, I was actually here during Romney's run and we did not treat Romney badly. The only folks that I remember treating him badly were not here on this site, they were my extremely Evangelical Christian co-workers who would not vote for a Mormon, even if it meant Bobo's re-election.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 31, 2016 11:07 AM (kXoT0)

82 >>>48 Intensities in tent cities. That made me laff even tho it's a little unnerving. Posted by: Steve Buscemi's leg in a wood chippa. at August 31, 2016 04:00 PM (qUNWi) Agreed. I like that a lot.

Posted by: m at August 31, 2016 11:08 AM (gfJWV)

83 Nobody is owed my vote.

Posted by: m-zero-x at August 31, 2016 11:08 AM (3sNqg)

84 we'll likely never see another non-Socialist President. It's likely time for us to consider what the future will be. Or maybe people don't care. -------------- Some of us just don't share your doom.

Posted by: SH at August 31, 2016 11:08 AM (gmeXX)

85 They childishly proclaim that they aren't responsible for electing Hillary because they live in magic justwords land ++++ They've always been useless

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 31, 2016 11:09 AM (THupw)

86 Bloomberg article on the Hanjin Shipping situation below. I found out from a US Customs and Border Protection alert. My company is on their e-mail alerts system. http://preview.tinyurl.com/jla5h7s

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Some People Call Me Maurice at August 31, 2016 11:09 AM (WlGX+)

87 we'll likely never see another non-Socialist President. It's likely time for us to consider what the future will be. Or maybe people don't care. -------------- Some of us just don't share your doom. Posted by: SH at August 31, 2016 04:08 PM (gmeXX) many of us do...and the Supreme Court will be lost for a generation and the lower Courts are now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2016 11:09 AM (Ozsfq)

88 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Never trust a politician that speaks Portuguese.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 31, 2016 11:09 AM (8ZskC)

89 Except it isn't support for any one candidate. In many, perhaps most, cases, NeverTrumpers would have supported ANY of the other candidates - and they said as much. And lockstep support has never been demanded here before. Bullshit. Maybe not here, but party wide. I have heard nothing but having to have lockstep support starting with George HW Bush in '88. And it has NEVER stopped.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at August 31, 2016 11:10 AM (Gzt/W)

90 person, recognizing that it *IS* burning does not obliterate the desire to have some say over the fire's outcome. Adding gasoline or saying to leave one's child in the blaze because it's better to get a new child than care for a cripple is... not helping. If there's a fireman who might be able to save the silver, or a kid for that matter, why the fuck would you care if he's an asshole? Because the silver's insured?

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 31, 2016 11:10 AM (eXSOZ)

91 Presser on.  Seems cordial enough so far.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2016 11:10 AM (1ZOkK)

92

 

former guerrilla fighter
====================

adept at dodging sniper fire?

Posted by: simplemind at August 31, 2016 04:07 PM (xVRrG)

 

 

No she actually fought guerrillas,its Brazils version of gator wrestling

Posted by: Tapatio at August 31, 2016 11:10 AM (lKyWE)

93 And lockstep support has never been demanded here before. When Romney got the nod in '12, most folks on these boards mocked him ruthlessly. In sharp contrast, many Trump supporters seem to need endless, unbroken validation. Look, these boards used to be full of cries to "let it burn." Well, it's burning now. Enjoy it. Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 31, 2016 04:04 PM (mFkVC) Utter horse shit. There were many people here demanding the "sit down and shut up" response to any criticism of Romney. There were plenty of Romney-bots that would not allow any attack on him go unanswered.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2016 11:10 AM (z/Ubi)

94 >>I really hate to engage with you. But, I was actually here during Romney's run and we did not treat Romney badly. The only folks that I remember treating him badly were not here on this site, they were my extremely Evangelical Christian co-workers who would not vote for a Mormon, even if it meant Bobo's re-election. Not even remotely accurate. Hell, we had one co-blogger who used attack him almost daily let alone numerous commenters who refused to support him. It's all water under the bridge and frankly I think a lot of this "my candidate didn't win the nomination so I'm sitting out!" is childish virtue signaling but Romney was definitely hammered on here constantly. Didn't stop until a few weeks before the election.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2016 11:10 AM (/tuJf)

95 Will they be proven wrong? IS their influence less than they imagine? Maybe. But in the mean time, make sure you can afford your pieties... really. Posted by: Sporkatus at August 31, 2016 04:05 PM (eXSOZ) Amen times eleventy billion

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 31, 2016 11:10 AM (kXoT0)

96 Posted by: lloyd at August 31, 2016 03:54 PM (tV21K) Hi, First-name-guy! The couch has gotten pretty crowded, so you'll just have to stand next to Bob, Mike, Dan, Stewart, Jugdish, and Mohammed. Sorry.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 31, 2016 11:11 AM (yvJnb)

97 MSM is out of their lives on the Trump/ Mexican President meeting. How dare he.

Posted by: redenzo at August 31, 2016 11:11 AM (5wSNN)

98 Opponents of the 68-year-old Rousseff, a former guerrilla fighter, charged Harambe could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 31, 2016 11:11 AM (8ZskC)

99 I love the United States! As much as a giant pinata filled with endless candy!

Posted by: Presidente Pena Nieto at August 31, 2016 11:11 AM (PL2OL)

100 Part of the reason I'm not #NeverTrump is because I know that if Hillary gets elected, removal from office is never going to happen ++++ She'll die in office. You'll pay for the state funeral. They'll name a lot of shit after her. Kaine will nosedive everything.

Posted by: Bigbys Olive Fingers at August 31, 2016 11:11 AM (THupw)

101 I'm just wondering where the new crop of Conservatives is going to come from. Give me some positive hopeful news. I would appreciate it.

Posted by: tubal at August 31, 2016 11:11 AM (d6TTt)

102 BS. Brazilian Government Officials are honest and pure. But that Ryan Lochte and his white privilege.....

Posted by: Al Roker at August 31, 2016 11:11 AM (OD2ni)

103 Bullshit. Maybe not here, but party wide. I have heard nothing but having to have lockstep support starting with George HW Bush in '88. And it has NEVER stopped. Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2016 04:10 PM (Gzt/W) Yeah, and those same sources are demanding lockstep support for Trump. Priebus has become one of Trump's two primary on-air advocates and introduces him at rallies. Almost all of the political GOPe is steadfastly backing the candidate.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 31, 2016 11:12 AM (mFkVC)

104 Off topic: In 2010 this guy ran for country treasurer primary, and gave the *best speech of his life. https://youtu.be/h54mVgYkCvQ *Ed Wynn channels Kirk Russel in Tombstone.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 31, 2016 11:12 AM (VdICR)

105 Rachel Blais, a former model for Donald Trump's modeling agency, says she worked for the agency without a visa.
Source: CNN

That's it, I'm done with Trump, Hillary is my man now..../sac

Posted by: Colin at August 31, 2016 11:12 AM (hIWCG)

106 Mexican pres. mentioned inviting Hellary.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 31, 2016 11:12 AM (1ZOkK)

107 56 Hell, moving funds around is SOP for our current rulers. Congress has even helpfully abrogated their responsibilities in this regard so that the progressive savior du jour can just buy off any constituency that is required.

Posted by: dissent555 at August 31, 2016 11:12 AM (VFhMt)

108 Nood stomp Mehico.

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 31, 2016 11:12 AM (eXSOZ)

109 Almost all of the political GOPe is steadfastly backing the candidate. Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 31, 2016 04:12 PM (mFkVC) Hey jackass he is the Republican Nominee...But I guess you democrats would like a schism on the Right. Transparent much?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2016 11:13 AM (Ozsfq)

110 >>>Utter horse shit Is there any other kind?

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 31, 2016 11:13 AM (Oy7w+)

111 Rachel Blais, a former model for Donald Trump's modeling agency, says she worked for the agency without a visa. Source: CNN How much did the Clinton Crime Syndicate and Clinton Network News pay her to come forward?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 31, 2016 11:13 AM (6HqlZ)

112 Didn't stop until a few weeks before the election. Posted by: JackStraw at August 31, 2016 04:10 PM (/tuJf) I was not referencing co-bloggers. I think the posters were far fairer to Romney than they have been to Trump. The hammering that I remember was more issues based and less personal. I actually left Lucianne.com over the constant push for Romney and the instant banning of anyone who even mildly criticized him.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes Ima going long on popcorn and butter futures!! at August 31, 2016 11:13 AM (kXoT0)

113 Utter horse shit. There were many people here demanding the "sit down and shut up" response to any criticism of Romney. There were plenty of Romney-bots that would not allow any attack on him go unanswered. Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2016 04:10 PM (z/Ubi) ----------- There was nothing like the hostility directed at people who disliked Romney that we are seeing against people who question Trump.

Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 31, 2016 11:13 AM (mFkVC)

114 Look, these boards used to be full of cries to "let it burn." Well, it's burning now. Enjoy it. It's not burning. Not yet.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/i][/b][/u] at August 31, 2016 11:13 AM (Gzt/W)

115 110 >>>Utter horse shit Is there any other kind? Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 31, 2016 04:13 PM (Oy7w+) Complete horse shit. Absolute horse shit.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2016 11:13 AM (z/Ubi)

116 *Ed Wynn channels Kirk Russel in Tombstone. Posted by: BourbonChicken Anyone who references the Ed Wynn Voice is a friend of mine. Ed Wynn for the win!

Posted by: zombie at August 31, 2016 11:14 AM (jBuUi)

117 I hope that Trump reams this asshole.

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2016 11:14 AM (Fmupd)

118 I would say that former guerrilla fighters and former community organizers are bad bets to place in charge of the government of a major industrialized nation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 31, 2016 11:14 AM (8ZskC)

119 Almost all of the political GOPe is steadfastly backing the candidate. Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 31, 2016 04:12 PM (mFkVC) You are brain cell barren.

Posted by: potatoes (au gratin) at August 31, 2016 11:15 AM (326rv)

120 "#NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president." ___________________________________________ I don't know if I'm a NeverTrumper as I hope he wins. I just can't support him because I (rightfully) don't trust him. I also don't trust Rubio and would have refused to vote for him because I think betraying your promises ought to have consequences. (I also hope he loses in Florida, for the same reasons.) ______________________________________________ Think of it this way: whenever a candidate they preferred would be nominated they called for all to put away their differences and rally together. As soon as a candidate that they do not prefer is nominated they refuse to rally. _______________________________________________ I don't believe I've ever had a candidate I preferred in the primary win. (At least for President.) I rallied around the last two and choked back my bile to vote for them. I'm just done doing that. If he can win without my vote, that's great. My vote, in any case, is seriously unlikely to be the margin of victory or loss. I tell you what, though. If he loses Virginia by one vote, and loses the election by the votes of Virginia, I'll take all the blame for a Hillary presidency.

Posted by: makatta at August 31, 2016 11:15 AM (Y7Qzg)

121 Oh wow look at those goal posts move.

Posted by: buzzion at August 31, 2016 11:15 AM (z/Ubi)

122 "#NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt, leftist true believer as president." Funny, I asked the Trumpsters the very same thing prior to the primaries. Posted by: Brian_AL at August 31, 2016 04:03 PM (Dm/Xm) The reason that silliness didn't take hold is that Trump is obviously a Capitalist. You should have tried something different. Plenty was available.

Posted by: Meremortal at August 31, 2016 11:15 AM (3myMJ)

123 Utter horse shit Is there any other kind? Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at August 31, 2016 04:13 PM (Oy7w+) Complete horse shit. Absolute horse shit. ---------- Grave horse shit.

Posted by: SH at August 31, 2016 11:15 AM (gmeXX)

124 Trump cant do either, so blaming nevertrumpers, as if the margin of error was within their sphere of influence, makes no sense to me. Posted by: lloyd ----------- I does make sense if you consider that it isn't just their numbers, it is the influence of their bleating raucous narrative. I note, in passing, Single Post/Single name syndrome.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 31, 2016 11:15 AM (9mTYi)

125 111 Rachel Blais, a former model for Donald Trump's modeling agency, says she worked for the agency without a visa. Source: CNN How much did the Clinton Crime Syndicate and Clinton Network News pay her to come forward? Posted by: FenelonSpoke More sexy chicks associated with Trump? I'll take that.

Posted by: zombie at August 31, 2016 11:15 AM (jBuUi)

126 Complete horse shit. Absolute horse shit. ---------- Grave horse shit. Posted by: SH --------------- Total horse shit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 31, 2016 11:16 AM (9mTYi)

127 I hope that Trump reams this asshole. Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2016 04:14 PM (Fmupd) Which one/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 31, 2016 11:16 AM (6HqlZ)

128 The fact that the joint appearance is happening indicates that not everyone has crawled into the first vagina and died.

Posted by: potatoes (au gratin) at August 31, 2016 11:17 AM (326rv)

129 Posted by: zombie at August 31, 2016 04:15 PM (jBuUi) Is it good to hire someone without a visa? No, but I hardly think Trump was checking all her paperwork.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 31, 2016 11:18 AM (6HqlZ)

130 127 I hope that Trump reams this asshole. Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2016 04:14 PM (Fmupd) Which one/ Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 31, 2016 04:16 PM (6HqlZ) ---------- The Mehican prez. What horseshit this fucktard is spewing.

Posted by: Soona at August 31, 2016 11:18 AM (Fmupd)

131 As if the Congressional Republicans would ever have the balls to impeach a President Hillary.

Hahahahahaha.

Get real.

Posted by: Kat at August 31, 2016 11:20 AM (1HseL)

132 The Mehican prez. What horseshit this fucktard is spewing. Posted by: Soona ----------- ... out-and-out horse shit..

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 31, 2016 11:20 AM (9mTYi)

133 Rachel Blais, a former model for Donald Trump's modeling agency, says she worked for the agency without a visa.
Source: CNN


**

So. If she is hot it doesn't count. Every knows that.



Posted by: dananjcon at August 31, 2016 11:21 AM (NpXoL)

134

 

Rachel Blais, a former model for Donald Trump's modeling agency, says she worked for the agency without a visa.
Source: CNN

1) She's Canadian

 

2) She came here on a tourist visa but did not apply for the special visa that allows her to work.

 

3) She is not hot

Posted by: Tapatio at August 31, 2016 11:21 AM (lKyWE)

135 Almost all of the political GOPe is steadfastly backing the candidate. Posted by: person(a non grata) at August 31, 2016 04:12 PM (mFkVC) Of course. Like McShitstain, and Rino Ryan, especially.

Posted by: chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at August 31, 2016 11:22 AM (yvJnb)

136

 

Source: CNN

The original source is Mother Jones so...

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 31, 2016 11:23 AM (lKyWE)

137 3) She is not hot

Posted by: Tapatio at August 31, 2016 04:21 PM (lKyWE)

*

Just gurgled her.

She's well within hittable range.

She gets a pass.



Posted by: dananjcon at August 31, 2016 11:25 AM (NpXoL)

138 "#NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president.

Consequences have consequences."

Notice, by this comparison, the consequences here would be removing an opposition party leader from office in public disgrace. That's not a threat, that's the best birthday present you could get. Now, we don't know that Hillary will be successfully impeached, but if you're going to have a record low popularity presidential candidate, you want them to be the opposition candidate. That's one or two terms with the opposition party having their hands tied due to hostile public opinion and wasting the pendulum swing of the voters towards their party playing defense, until the pendulum swing back in the other direction. In terms of democratic politics, Rousseff's scandals mostly hurt the Brazilian Left.

Posted by: reform highlander at August 31, 2016 11:25 AM (jCH/T)

139 Some of us just don't share your doom. Posted by: SH at August 31, 2016 04:08 PM Do you have your own doom?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 31, 2016 11:25 AM (IqV8l)

140

 

Posted by: Tapatio at August 31, 2016 04:21 PM (lKyWE)
*Just gurgled her.She's well within hittable range.She gets a pass.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 31, 2016 04:25 PM (NpXoL)

 

 

I guess if you like that strung out on heroin look

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 31, 2016 11:26 AM (lKyWE)

141 3) She is not hot Posted by: Tapatio ------------ But not unattractive, either. Just a fairly normal-ish, attractive young woman.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 31, 2016 11:26 AM (9mTYi)

142 Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiilllllllllllmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: Fredo Flinstone at August 31, 2016 11:28 AM (kTF2Z)

143 "The reason that silliness didn't take hold is that Trump is obviously a Capitalist. You should have tried something different. Plenty was available.
Posted by: Meremortal"

You mean crony-capitalist.  Very different from a capitalist.  And also very ironic that his supporters don't care.

One thing that bothers me about the "Vote for Trump or die" crowd is that most of them assume folks like me care how others vote.  I don't care, really.  I said my piece in the primaries.  I pointed out the obvious and tried to show, black and white, right from wrong.  That's all in the past.  Do as you will.

Allah has a great post today estimating that Trump will lose by 10million votes.  How in the world could that be the fault of Nevertrumpers?  That math doesn't add up.  If constitutionalists had 10million votes tucked away somewhere we wouldn't be in this shape now.

Finally, the Trump folks (during the primary specifically) wanted Trump simply because they want to "burn it down."  Ok.  I agree.  It's too late to save the patient.  So why do they now care NOW if I say "You are right.  Let it burn."?

Posted by: Brian_AL at August 31, 2016 11:28 AM (Dm/Xm)

144 I guess if you like that strung out on heroin look Posted by: Flawless Male Logic --------- It's all in the eyes of the beholder, but look, scrape away the makeup, photography tricks, and bizzaro designer clothes and here she is: http://tinyurl.com/gtp96uo Just kinda normal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 31, 2016 11:31 AM (9mTYi)

145 I don't know about this being a guinnie speaking Hillary. I read all the way through an article about this yesterday, and this is actually payback for her having ousted the president from the other party back in 1992. Those Brazilians have long memories. They need to take it a lot easier on each other. Like their much more happy, healthy, and beautiful brothers and sisters in neighboring Peruvia (where they also don't speak that gutter language Portuguese, but rather, the more lilting, soft, and heart-warming Peruvian - ahhhh, I can hear the strains of it even now from my old Victrola, which I brought back from the Wars many decades ago). Where was I? Oh, yeah. This was Ricardo Montalban-level, space is really fucking cold, delayed satisfaction revenge for something that happened in 1992.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 31, 2016 11:35 AM (CS7jF)

146

 

Just kinda normal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 31, 2016 04:31 PM (9mTYi)

 

 

Okay I admit I like girls that have a litte meat on their bones,but I'll give you that.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at August 31, 2016 11:35 AM (lKyWE)

147 The folks who are arguing that the nevertrumpeters are only a set of insignificant numbers are apparently missing their impact on the MSM's reporting.... or, they are disingenuous.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 31, 2016 11:36 AM (9mTYi)

148 Like the congress-critters (or media) would ever permit a vote to remove Clinton from office, no matter how much evidence stacks up about her corruption in office.

Posted by: oooOOOooo at August 31, 2016 11:42 AM (X3Fz6)

149 "The folks who are arguing that the nevertrumpeters are only a set of insignificant numbers are apparently missing their impact on the MSM's reporting.... or, they are disingenuous. Posted by: Mike Hammer"

You are assuming collusion from the MSM and the "conservative" media.  No way, pal.  The MSM would be doing their Nevertrump schtick regardless of what the Right does.  Or Nevercruz.  Or Neverrubio.  Or Neverjeb! It wouldn't matter.

You know, had Cruz won the primary and been down now by 6 nationally, I wouldn't blame a Trumpette.  I would be saying "Phew, yeah, just like the Rubio guys said in the primary, the MSM is all over our guy.  What a bunch of liars."

Yes, the Nevercruzers would be and are insignificant.  Just like the Nevertrumpers (me) are.  I admit that.

Posted by: Brian_AL at August 31, 2016 11:42 AM (Dm/Xm)

150 As I recall, Trump neither needed nor wanted the conservative vote because he was going to win the Bernie bros, Latino and black voting blocs. He's announced that he will spend big going after Cruz and other conservatives. He is my (and most of your) political enemy. I cannot affirm a vote for Trump, neither for Clinton. Both are known to be corrupt, both are comprised by or otherwise have ties with international strongman, and both have one or more severe personality disorders peppered with possible brain damage. At least with Johnson I can vote for a lovable pothead with reasonable fiscal policies.

Posted by: m-zero-x at August 31, 2016 11:44 AM (3sNqg)

151 #NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president.

While i am not never Trump, i think its really disingenuous to blame people who won't vote for Mr. Trump (so long as they also don't vote for Hillary) as electing that other candidate.  Should people who voted for Donald Trump in the primary be asked why they elected Hillary Clinton?  For the same reason, I say no.  But by your logic the answer would be yes.  And from what i understand there are many many many more people on that bandwagon.

I mean, no other recent candidate in history at this point in an election cycle has had a disfavor rating as high as Mr. Trump.  None.   In fact, the only candidate that comes remotely close is.... wait for it..... Hillary!

So, my suggestion is to stop blaming others and start working towards giving positive suggestions, as hard as that may seem, on why it would be a good idea to vote for Mr. Trump.  I think that will do a lot more for your cause.

Posted by: JeffreyL at August 31, 2016 11:47 AM (mXv3y)

152 People didn't bash Romney in 2012? Crap, they've never stopped bashing Romney.

Posted by: Hillary is with you at August 31, 2016 11:50 AM (pnA/u)

153 #NeverTrumpers should ask themselves if they're quite comfortable electing a zealous, corrupt leftist true believer as president.

So anyone not drinking the "Almond Flavored" Kool-Aid is electing Hillary? 
Time for personal attacks on supporters; as led by the Blog writer who threatens bans for this? 
Fine.  Game time.

You want to flail around supporting an idiot currently campaigning in the Swing States of Washington and Mexico? 
That's your call and your time.  I won't tell you not to.

You want to blame ME for your idiot's failings while he flails around?
No... Hell no.   Not my circus, not my monkeys.

If you think the Orangest of the two NYC Liberals is preferable; fine.
But lets not pretend he's a a serious candidate with a serious plan or a serious idea of how any of this shit works...

If by some miracle every single Democrat who is qualified to run against him dies so he wins in spite of his attempting to lose?
Then He'll be a continuation of the #HashTagDiplomacy we have with the current state department writ larger and stupider.  Hoo-fucking-ray?

In reality, his clueless buffonery and willingness to run around the country, ignoring electoral college votes, and picking stupid fights is why we'll have Hillary as President.

Think I'm wrong? Feel free... and explain why you think I have the power and Trump doesn't while HE tanks his campaign? 
What the holy fuck do you expect me to do to right the ship when the captain is drunk, locked in the cabin, and pushing self-destruct buttons?

If you want a scapegoat? 
That makes sense; given you're looking at a massive loss and a candidate working to make sure he loses.
If you want me to be that scapegoat for you?  Fuck no.

Posted by: gekkobear at August 31, 2016 12:22 PM (2iR3c)

154 Greetings: Thank heavens that no one in the media took advantage of this Brazilian impeachment tragedy by dragging any mention of Obama's $3 billion dollar loan to PETROBRAS, into the discussion although it may have to pop up if Dilma's mentor, Lula gets dragged into the dock on corruption charges. The media did do a decent job of keeping DIlma's totally unsubstantiated "coupest of all Brazilian coups" charge alive and kicking even today as the world came to recognize the First Impeached Female President of Brazil.

Posted by: 11B40 at August 31, 2016 12:24 PM (evgyj)

155 I know this would have made more sense a year ago, but I might start a NeverJeb! group on Facebook anyway.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 31, 2016 12:35 PM (VdICR)

156 They childishly proclaim that they aren't responsible for electing Hillary because they live in magic justwords land.

Posted by: Memories at August 31, 2016 04:03 PM (mwcEF)

-------------

Right, in the real world if they all fell in line; our glorious candidate campaigning this week in the swing states of Washington and Mexico ....

...

Oh, he doesn't get how the electoral college works; and he'd still lose big?

But we MUST blame them, we cannot blame our Orange Hero...

Cheezus is good, Cheezus is great; as he campaigns in Washington State.

Posted by: gekkobear at August 31, 2016 12:39 PM (2iR3c)

157 Trump to black community: "What have you got to lose?" I need this man, he fights.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 31, 2016 12:42 PM (VdICR)

158 SUMMARY: Never trust a politician that speaks Portuguese. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 31, 2016 04:09 PM (8ZskC) I thought they spoke Brazillian

Posted by: TFG at August 31, 2016 01:13 PM (DN9jO)

159 NeverHillary voters need to ask themselves if they truly believe they are doing the right thing, why is it so gosh darn important that other join them,  It seems to me they seek safety in numbers because they know  the lesser of two evils is still evil.  This whole attempt to shame people like me to your side only shows how weak and fear based your own position is.     

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at August 31, 2016 01:20 PM (eumJ9)

160 I believe the never trumpers are all going to secretly vote for trump. I am one such. Vociferously attack him for all sorts of justified reasons but secretly support. I think the head game is to let Bernie bros think there's enough of a margin that they will be willing to vote for johnson, who has pandered hard to them. If trump does somehow win, I believe it'll be because GJ is disproportionately siphoning off hill dog votes. But that only happens when BB's think their state definitely won't go trump. If I'm a pundit, I happily sacrifice my reputation if the gambit pays off and if there's some assurance trump will actually deliver. Alls fair for the democrats and we are up against the level boss of them in hilldog. This might just be the level of deviousness needed since trumps gotv organization is shit.

Posted by: Dzh at August 31, 2016 03:59 PM (gAJ6y)

161 Don't get me wrong. Trump is a pos and unfit to be president. Hilldog is that times 911, but I don't have to be caught dead complimenting him or hoping wistfully that he overcomes the serious demographic, campaign-error and messaging barriers that he's made for himself. But I can still secretly vote for him in the dead of night because Hillary needs to be in jail. that said, unless the state polls change there is no point. If you're in Illinois like me, a GJ vote is actually the better move anyway. Or at least tell the pollsters that before the debate.

Posted by: Dzh at August 31, 2016 04:09 PM (gAJ6y)

162 So Brazil's political system is a lot less corrupt than ours it appears.

Posted by: Danny Mitchell at August 31, 2016 11:47 PM (pREVk)

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