June 27, 2013

Boehner: I Will Also Require a Majority of the Republican Caucus Approve of Any Conference Bill
— Ace

He's saying that if the House passes a bill on immigration, and the House and Senate get together to work the two bills into a single one, he will not bring the new conference bill is reporter to the House unless a majority of the Republican caucus agrees to do so.

Which may marginally strengthen our negotiating position.

The only fear I have about this is that it seems to preclude the very effective tactic of simply doing nothing except to tell the Senate to start over and try again.

Make your opponent negotiate with himself before he negotiates with you.

And it would be an effective gambit. Every day the calendar moves closer to the 2014 election is a day which strengthens our position, I think. More squish Republicans will get off the amnesty train, and more very hard leftwing Democrats will get off it too (Open Borders or Nada!).

So there's no downside to simply waiting and forcing the Senators to craft something more realistic.

Posted by: Ace at 01:42 PM | Comments (154)
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1 not first

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 27, 2013 01:43 PM (aDwsi)

2 Hmm. That worked...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 27, 2013 01:43 PM (aDwsi)

3 Ospsies.  Can we just go back and pretend this never happened?

Posted by: Marco Rubio at June 27, 2013 01:44 PM (Q9qpj)

4 Sorry Marco, you've been tramp-stamped

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 27, 2013 01:45 PM (aDwsi)

5 Let it burn

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 27, 2013 01:45 PM (8JJ6O)

6 Every day the calendar moves closer to the 2014 election is a day which strengthens our position, I think. More squish Republicans will get off the amnesty train, and more very hard leftwing Democrats will get off it too (Open Borders or Nada!).

So there's no downside to simply waiting and forcing the Senators to craft something more realistic.


How right you are about that.  Also the more time we can have to inform the LIVs of what's coming down the pipe the more we may be able to swing momentum back to our side as well.  Of course, that's a tall task.

Posted by: LT at June 27, 2013 01:45 PM (mX6UJ)

7 It wasn't as if I didn't warn you at the time, Ace.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at June 27, 2013 01:45 PM (w45V0)

8 From Weiners to Boners.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, creepy-assed cracka at June 27, 2013 01:46 PM (lVPtV)

9 If Boehner fucks this up, it's game over.  I think I'll start drinking heavily and contemplate things.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 27, 2013 01:46 PM (YtS37)

10 Boner Finds His Sack; Weiner Is Not In It

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 27, 2013 01:46 PM (cHZB7)

11 The only thing worse than a RINO turncoat, is a failed RINO turncoat.

If you are gonna try to take out the king, you'd better succeed.  Yeah, we're looking at you, Rubio, Ayotte and rest of the turds who promised no amnesty when they ran for election.

Posted by: The Purity Brigade at June 27, 2013 01:46 PM (Q9qpj)

12 Boehner wants to share the blame.

Posted by: major major major major at June 27, 2013 01:46 PM (H8nja)

13 No downside, you say?  Then surely we can't do that.

Posted by: Emperor of the Stupid Party at June 27, 2013 01:47 PM (ZMzpb)

14 Well.... now that the Senate passed it... can we know whats in it?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 01:47 PM (lZBBB)

15 In his past life Boehner was the deck chair rearranger on the Titanic.

Posted by: Fact Guy at June 27, 2013 01:47 PM (r98SZ)

16 I've got the perfect plan for taking care of an enemy.

Posted by: Aaron Hernandez at June 27, 2013 01:47 PM (Aif/5)

17 I was hoping Boner did this. Or else crafted the House bill in such a way as to require re-voting after reconciliation. He may not be as dumb as some think.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 01:47 PM (OFP0k)

18 I previously thought this guy was smart (from "real clear politics"):

REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WIS.): Not now, but in the future we're going to have labor shortages. We have 10,000 people retiring each and everyday in America when the Baby Boomers retire. We are not like Europe, we're not like Japan in that our birthrates are really low, but they're not high enough. Immigration, in a decade or so, can help us. That means we need to get an immigration system that works. We need an immigration system that works to bring people to this country who want to contribute. (The Laura Ingraham Show, June 19, 2013)

so (a) we need to legalize millions of illegal immigrants this year for a labor shortage which might materialize in five or ten years and (b) those people who end up mowing lawns, scrubbing pots and vacuuming upper class houses are going to slip into all those jobs left behind by people who are retiring.

I don't regret voting for the guy, but what's gotten into him these days?

Posted by: Mallfly at June 27, 2013 01:48 PM (bJm7W)

19 15 In his past life Boehner was the deck chair rearranger on the Titanic.    

Posted by: Fact Guy at June 27, 2013 06:47 PM (r98SZ)

 

 

Yeah... how screwed up did you have to be for the Karmic wheel to turn, and you deserve a name like BOEHNER?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 01:48 PM (lZBBB)

20 Why not counter with a border security only bill? Fuck "comprehensive" that's a loser approach for Republicans. Then a second guest worker bill that expands visas for skilled labor and cuts capital gains taxes so there is an expanded economic base for these guests to participate in. And finally, some bill to deal with the illegals in here already. Each bill triggered by the one prior to it being satisfactorily implemented. And Pat Buchanan is the judge of whether the trigger has in fact been pulled. Deal?

Posted by: Columbo at June 27, 2013 01:48 PM (hcgfJ)

21 Boehner: I Will Also Require a Majority of the Republican Caucus Approve of Any Conference Bill Not Americans, but Republican Caucs (I may have spelled that wrong). So, we're in good hands.

Posted by: t-bird at June 27, 2013 01:48 PM (FcR7P)

22 More time for this pile of shit to fester is very necessary. Based on the conversations I've had about this, I doubt 10% of the public is even aware that Congress is about to pass some massive new amnesty.

Posted by: mugiwara at June 27, 2013 01:49 PM (hpYnL)

23 Boehner just needs to let it die. No Ryan counteroffer. Let it die.

Posted by: osoloco at June 27, 2013 01:49 PM (grkwA)

24 Well.... now that the Senate passed it... can we know whats in it?

Posted by: Romeo13


The stress! The stress!!

Posted by: Dr. Reuniti Salieri [/i] [/b] at June 27, 2013 01:49 PM (XS/b3)

25 He's walking a tightrope. He'd better be that Wallenda guy.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 27, 2013 01:49 PM (YmPwQ)

26 I don't regret voting for the guy, but what's gotten into him these days?

Posted by: Mallfly at June 27, 2013 06:48 PM (bJm7W)



Overly close proximity, to the point osmosis occurred, to Saint Willard the Timid of the Latter Days.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 27, 2013 01:49 PM (YtS37)

27 I don't regret voting for the guy, but what's gotten into him these days?
Posted by: Mallfly
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The media narrative that failing to do something  will result in the Reps being destroyed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 27, 2013 01:49 PM (aDwsi)

28 re 15: maybe Boehner was the Titanic.

Posted by: Mallfly at June 27, 2013 01:49 PM (bJm7W)

29 Boehner has a constant need to start negotiating terms of surrender before the guns are loaded, much less shots are fired.

Posted by: montel at June 27, 2013 01:49 PM (4uXgo)

30 I think I'm one of the few people who think Boehner's a good dude and he's got a plan, so reading positive articles like this is all kinds of tasty bias confirmation.

Posted by: WAGOPinTX at June 27, 2013 01:50 PM (hIX/c)

31 Boehner says it like i'm suppose to believe him.

Posted by: YIKES! at June 27, 2013 01:50 PM (mETGQ)

32 Want my support? Include a repeal of ObamaCare. Then the Dems will bail, and the whole thing dies. Scorched earth, baby.

Posted by: zsasz at June 27, 2013 01:50 PM (MMC8r)

33 Well.... now that the Senate passed it... can we know whats in it? My God ... it's full of shit!

Posted by: Rep. Dave Boehman at June 27, 2013 01:50 PM (c3ZiS)

34 The House should take their time "reviewing" the Senate's bill and point out all the garbage, payoffs and hidden earmarks in it.  Just like the fire Americans and hire illegals loophole for Obamacare.

Posted by: dk70 at June 27, 2013 01:50 PM (H67OI)

35 Hey, Speaker Boehner, repeat after me:

"Dead On Arrival."

Go ahead, you can do it.  It's easy, really.  C'mon . . .

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 01:51 PM (7vimm)

36 OT, but I posed this question to JJ or whoever in a dead thread below:

For those that are upset with McConnell about this - I feel like the dems would've easily gotten 6 repubs cross the aisle to end debate (especially since 4 actually worked on this shit sandwich). And is McConnell even running the Senate Republicans anymore? It seems to me more and more that McCain is and maybe has been since he won the nomination. 

Posted by: LT at June 27, 2013 01:51 PM (mX6UJ)

37

So there's no downside to simply waiting and forcing the Senators to craft something more realistic.

Posted by: Ace at 06:42 PM


The very downside is that it might preclude the RINOs from selling us out quickly, so it's a non-starter to seasoned Karl Rove spoonfed politicians. 


Once the committee process is invoked, no matter what the ground rules were, the eunuchs of the House majority will begin the wailing about how "We need to DO something now!" as they shovel another incomprehensible contradictory pork laden 1000 pages of lie filled BS at us and expect our gratitude!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 27, 2013 01:51 PM (Cnqmv)

38 Scorched earth, baby. Posted by: zsasz
---------------

I like that.
A. Fence
B. Bamycare gone

Leave it to the Dems to take the heat from the LIV's

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 27, 2013 01:52 PM (aDwsi)

39

Is Boehner some kind of spelunker?  

 

'Cause he always seems to be caving.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 01:52 PM (mvenn)

40 Wait till the scoamf comes home & invites boehner over for dinner

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 27, 2013 01:52 PM (8JJ6O)

41 NO house bill NO house bill How is that hard to understand? fuckin morons

Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 27, 2013 01:52 PM (q177U)

42 The media narrative that failing to do something will result in the Reps being destroyed.

When in fact the ground truth is that doing something will result in the Reps being destroyed.

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 01:53 PM (7vimm)

43 It wasn't as if I didn't warn you at the time, Ace.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God



Oh, you warned him, did you?  Well, star sticker for you, pumpkin!

Posted by: Dr. Reuniti Salieri [/i] [/b] at June 27, 2013 01:53 PM (XS/b3)

44 When in fact the ground truth is that doing something will result in the Reps being destroyed.
Posted by: filbert
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Yup.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 27, 2013 01:53 PM (aDwsi)

45 If played properly, this is a good strategy. If the House passes a bill that is border security first, second and third and then and only then is there any talk of what to do with the illegals, it would be powerful weapon. The donks in the Senate will never agree to it and a conference committees would have two very different visions to consider .. which would mean nothing will happen. As long as the House passes a bill we like, it would take away the donks ability to run on 2014 on a racist, do nothing House and make them run on where the country currently is. Lotta ifs there but it could work. Which means we will probably screw it up.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 27, 2013 01:53 PM (g1DWB)

46

Posted by: Columbo at June 27, 2013 06:48 PM (hcgfJ)

 

We don't need more border security.... we need three things.

 

1. Enforce existing laws about giving Illegals Jobs.

2. Check Immigration status for ALL Government benefits, with a $50 Personal Award for anyone who catches an illegal, or someone attempting fraud on the system.

3.   FREE US Citizen ID, tied to citizenship, Benefits, VOTING, and working... (they already have all this info, and more on us anyway... make it work for US).

 

If they can't work, or get benefits... they WILL leave... and more importantly, more will not COME!

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 01:54 PM (lZBBB)

47 >>>I was hoping Boner did this. Or else crafted the House bill in such a way as to require re-voting after reconciliation Nah, they'll just deem it passed

Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 27, 2013 01:54 PM (q177U)

48

The awful truth is that Boehner isn't capable of doing nothing when nothing is what you need. It's the in the nature of the weakness of the man. They "need to do something" about immigration, and so they will.

 

Posted by: rrpjr at June 27, 2013 01:54 PM (tz9gu)

49 Amnesty is going to be the law of the land.

House won't pass it? 

Just cut and paste into a bill they already passed and have the senate send it off to be signed.

Completely illegal?
Fuck You.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at June 27, 2013 01:54 PM (8lB0x)

50 Our lil' troll rex is kinda "special," isn't he.  This blog attracts the dumbest, mouthbreathing trolls on the internet. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh, creepy-assed cracka at June 27, 2013 01:55 PM (lVPtV)

51 Considering Reid keeps ignoring the budgets passed by the House, why doesn't Boehner just ignore immigration reform.
What's that REM song? "I can turn you inside-out by what I choose not to do"

Posted by: Lizzy at June 27, 2013 01:55 PM (AmWlQ)

52 15 In his past life Boehner was the deck chair rearranger on the Titanic.

Posted by: Fact Guy at June 27, 2013 06:47 PM (r98SZ)

 

*****

 

And Bryan Dennehy was:

 

A.  The Titanic

 

B.  The Iceberg

 

C.  The North Atlantic Ocean

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 01:56 PM (mvenn)

53 "Also the more time we can have to inform the LIVs of what's coming down the pipe the more we may be able to swing momentum back to our side as well."

Posted by: LT at June 27, 2013 06:45 PM (mX6UJ)


I've talked to these idiots for years.  I humor them, I cajole them, I offer piecemeal "compromises";  -I'm living, walking proof that conservatives are not evil.  Here's the biggest stink:


...they just don't care. 

The MFM shows "My Ilk" as shady and nefarious.  They are fish.  They do not know they're wet.  As long as "The Big Hand" throws food and another castle in the tank, they think they can hide from the net.


...because FondlePriests, or something.

Posted by: Slapweasel at June 27, 2013 01:56 PM (lq3Ak)

54 Americans hate amnesty; so we should entertain this whole enchilada why again?

Ignore the Senate bill. If you feel you must, drag out an enforcement, e-Verify, and anti-anchor baby law to counteract the Senate abomination. The Democrats intentionally made it as toxic as possible just to push the boundaries and, if it fails, blame the GOP. Well the GOP will get blamed No. Matter. What. even if a new law passes. There is no win here other than not to play this round.

Americans don't want amnesty; don't act like denying such fodder is an albatross.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 27, 2013 01:56 PM (eHIJJ)

55 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 06:56 PM (mvenn)


D. All of the above!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 27, 2013 01:56 PM (Cnqmv)

56 They need to pick apart and highlight the stupidity and pork in the Senate bill on a DAILY basis - DRIBBLE it out... Build momentum against it day by day.

Posted by: DHead at June 27, 2013 01:56 PM (kH/If)

57 Rich Repubs should bankroll some pretty white girls to sue every college and government agencies that discriminates against whites. It's a) the right thing to do and b) a vote winner. LIV whites don't understand how common state-based racial discrimination against whites is.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 27, 2013 01:56 PM (ZPrif)

58 I don't see how house GOP can even pretend to go along with this. Just do nothing.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 01:57 PM (ERPCd)

59 Oh, you warned him, did you? Well, star sticker for you, pumpkin!

Posted by: Dr. Reuniti Salieri at June 27, 2013 06:53 PM (XS/b3)



It's pretty funny that the online version of George Costanza is always pestering ace by stating how fucking brilliant he is.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 27, 2013 01:57 PM (YtS37)

60 Hey Ryan fuck you and go back to playing with your math. It's the only thing your semi good at.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 27, 2013 01:57 PM (3/g+i)

61 Be lazy for a change, Weepy John. Do nothing. Nothing at all.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows ignorance is strength at June 27, 2013 01:57 PM (sBruU)

62 Yeah... how screwed up did you have to be for the Karmic wheel to turn, and you deserve a name like BOEHNER?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 06:48 PM (lZBBB)


===


is that as bad as it can get?  What if he has a daughter and names her "Rhoda?"

Posted by: jc at June 27, 2013 01:58 PM (i8c5b)

63 And is
McConnell even running the Senate Republicans anymore?


It's the Senate.

Cats make jokes about herding Senators. 

And McConnell has a serious impediment for a Senator (let alone a leader of that august body), in that he suffers the malady of the occasional public attack of truth-telling.


Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 01:58 PM (7vimm)

64 Rep. Dave Boehman: "My God ... it's full of shit!"

OK, now that's a comment worthy of my mantle. Kudos.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 27, 2013 01:58 PM (eHIJJ)

65 is that as bad as it can get? What if he has a daughter and names her "Rhoda?"

 

 

Posted by: jc at June 27, 2013 06:58 PM (i8c5b)

 

Wait... didn't she date Anthony Weiner?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 01:59 PM (lZBBB)

66 Read the bill that the Senate passed. Read it in committee. Educate everyone about what was actually in it. Boehner can take as long as he likes. Months, a year. This fear campaign the Democrats have waged is just that and nothing more. They are the ones that want a stampede. Regardless of what the "media" say, take as much time as you need. Write a bill that is 90% enforcement and border security, and throw a fig leaf in there for some overstays on visas. As the 2014 elections get closer, the people will know that this all smells. It is 180 degrees opposite of what the lyin' Democrats are saying. Reconcile that, Schumer.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 27, 2013 01:59 PM (RFeQD)

67 Ryan believes that the lowest-of-the-low earners will be a net gain over all they take in benefits. You know, like our native-born poor. This is what the ancient Sumerians used to call 'fucked in the head.'

Posted by: zsasz at June 27, 2013 01:59 PM (MMC8r)

68 House does a bill striping all pork, with border security upfront, and hammering current law. When it goes back to Senate, not even the Dem will vote for it.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 02:00 PM (OFP0k)

69 WHAT???


*faints*

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 27, 2013 02:01 PM (v1mq9)

70 Cats make jokes about herding Senators.

And McConnell has a serious impediment for a Senator (let alone a leader of that august body), in that he suffers the malady of the occasional public attack of truth-telling.


Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 06:58 PM (7vimm)



I'd love to sit down with McConnell and a bottle of Kentucky's finest and have him spill the beans on what he really thinks of McQueeg.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 27, 2013 02:01 PM (YtS37)

71 Posted by: DHead at June 27, 2013 06:56 PM (kH/If)


Can you imagine the impact of a fluent intelligent Republican Congressperson speaking out about this flawed travesty on the Capitol steps at high noon every day rain or shine?


Of course the media blackout wouldn't help much, but one can dream!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 27, 2013 02:01 PM (Cnqmv)

72 Where the hell did this "if we do nothing, that is de facto amnesty" bullshit come from? I heard an ad, too, where the US Chamber of Commerce backs the Schumer / Rubio Immigration Fantasy Island sham.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 27, 2013 02:01 PM (HsTG8)

73 I thought his daughters name was Sofonda?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 02:02 PM (OFP0k)

74 Looking at photos of michael imperioli at the funeral. Boy, does he look old. Gandafolini mad over 70 million -- most of it from Sopranos. Tony Soprano was very very good to him.

Posted by: Waldo at June 27, 2013 02:02 PM (RZwdH)

75

I can see Mexico City from my house.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 02:02 PM (mvenn)

76 The "de facto" amnesty line is bullshit pushed by the Fuckerberg ads.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 27, 2013 02:02 PM (ZPrif)

77

Where the hell did this "if we do nothing, that is de facto amnesty" bullshit come from?

 



I heard an ad, too, where the US Chamber of Commerce backs the Schumer / Rubio Immigration Fantasy Island sham.

 

 

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 27, 2013 07:01 PM (HsTG

 

Yeah... because Obama will not Enforce the Law, we should just be like California on Prop 8, and do away with it?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 02:02 PM (lZBBB)

78 51 Considering Reid keeps ignoring the budgets passed by the House, why doesn't Boehner just ignore immigration reform. What's that REM song? "I can turn you inside-out by what I choose not to do" Perhaps you were thinking of this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIdPPVkkHYs Feel fine. Yogi Berra was prophetic, "When you come to the fork in the road, take it."

Posted by: angel with a sword at June 27, 2013 02:02 PM (sYNwJ)

79 Boehner has a constant need to start negotiating terms of surrender before the guns are loaded, much less shots are fired. So he's french?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 02:03 PM (NKBxV)

80 You know, I would be okay with the House Republicans reading the entire text of the Senate bill into the Congressional Record.

Three or four times.  Maybe a couple more repetitions for the really juicy parts.

I suppose laugh tracks aren't allowed in the House, though.

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 02:03 PM (7vimm)

81 Obama is going after Marine General Cartwright now.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 27, 2013 02:03 PM (ZPrif)

82 you forgot the most likely option: that Boehner is full of shit, with a spine of jelly President Golfpants will take Boner out for golf and daiquiris and all will be well

Posted by: Jones in CO says our forefathers would be shooting people by now at June 27, 2013 02:03 PM (8sCoq)

83 18 I previously thought this guy was smart (from "real clear politics"):

REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WIS.):


 ....


We need an immigration system that works to bring people to this country who want to contribute. (The Laura Ingraham Show, June 19, 2013)



====


So, pass a bill that requires an exchange for each immigrant where we send a welfare recipient back to the immigrant's home country.

Posted by: jc at June 27, 2013 02:04 PM (i8c5b)

84 Why doesn't he just pull a Harry Reid and refuse to bring up the Senate bill  and  also  refuse to bring up an amnesty bill?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 27, 2013 02:04 PM (ADnWI)

85 Right, it's in the ads, but what made Rubio say it (de facto amnesty)? It's total bullshit.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 27, 2013 02:04 PM (HsTG8)

86 77 Where the hell did this "if we do nothing, that is de facto amnesty" bullshit come from? That one goes back to summer, 2007.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 27, 2013 02:05 PM (F85AX)

87 The House should absolutely, 100%, NOT create any sort of bill whatsoever.  If this shit-ball goes to Committee, we're all fucked.

Shelve, table, refuse, repeat.

Posted by: Slapweasel at June 27, 2013 02:06 PM (lq3Ak)

88 Every day, in every way, we are boned.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at June 27, 2013 02:06 PM (lyPWx)

89 So he's french?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 07:03 PM (NKBxV)


Oui, ze correct pronunciation is "Bown naire"!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 27, 2013 02:07 PM (Cnqmv)

90 I'm sorta seeing this entire theater as a Chicago style effort to make the House look bad for the mid-terms. With the Cuban-combover as willing fodder. If Boner plays it right, we win. If he screws up, there is a new speaker of the House.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at June 27, 2013 02:07 PM (U2UQk)

91 The House Republicans have nothing to gain and everything to lose by even dealing with immigration right now. Just let the issue drop until circumstances are more favorable.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 27, 2013 02:07 PM (29vnO)

92 84 Why doesn't he just pull a Harry Reid and refuse to bring up the Senate bill and also refuse to bring up an amnesty bill? Boehner lives in mortal terror of bad press.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 27, 2013 02:07 PM (F85AX)

93 Texas got more of I-69 signed. Plus I-2.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 27, 2013 02:08 PM (ZPrif)

94 Jane D'oh: See my comment #183 in the last thread.

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 02:08 PM (sdi6R)

95 Make a point of reading all the "strict and conservative" points in the bill, followed by each and every exemption to them. Expose it for the Potemkin village that it is.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 27, 2013 02:08 PM (HsTG8)

96 84 Why doesn't he just pull a Harry Reid and refuse to bring up the Senate bill and also refuse to bring up an amnesty bill? Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 27, 2013 07:04 PM (ADnWI) Because that would require him to have his spine reattached.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 27, 2013 02:08 PM (3/g+i)

97 Markie Post. That is all.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 27, 2013 02:08 PM (V1ZIU)

98 I'll debate anyone that thinks this is amnesty.

Posted by: Known Douchebag (R) at June 27, 2013 02:08 PM (i7B17)

99 I've got nothing nice to say, so guess I've got nothing... sips more wine.

Posted by: spypeach at June 27, 2013 02:08 PM (0n1+D)

100

Anyone hoping for Boner to save us will be terribly disappointed.

 

Also, I got the swamp cooler going this afternoon. Inside temp. has gone from 82 to 77 and going lower. I'm so proud of myself.

Posted by: Ronster at June 27, 2013 02:09 PM (2hkun)

101 OT  This just in from Fox.  Lil' Trayvon's parental units left the courthouse saying Dee Dee/Diamond's testimony "blew the defense out of the water."

Long live the LIVs and FSAs.

*bangs head on keyboard*

Posted by: Jane D'oh, creepy-assed cracka at June 27, 2013 02:10 PM (lVPtV)

102 So will amnesty pass before the Summer's end, or in the late fall?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 27, 2013 02:10 PM (F85AX)

103 sips more wine. Posted by: spypeach at June 27, 2013 07:08 PM (0n1+D)


*slides over truffles*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 02:10 PM (Gk3SS)

104 Anything that gets McCainiac's, Lisping Lindsay's, and Marco the Traitor's pantyhose all painfully twisted up around their nether bits is something I can enjoy.

Posted by: angel with a sword at June 27, 2013 02:11 PM (sYNwJ)

105 101 OT This just in from Fox. Lil' Trayvon's parental units left the courthouse saying Dee Dee/Diamond's testimony "blew the defense out of the water."

Long live the LIVs and FSAs.

*bangs head on keyboard*

Posted by: Jane D'oh, creepy-assed cracka at June 27, 2013 07:10 PM (lVPtV)

 

*****

 

Yes sir.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 02:11 PM (mvenn)

106 As for Schumer's threats of demonstrations, let 'em happen, but photograph each and every participant to reserve their slot on the "Send 'Em Back Using a Trebuchet" list.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 27, 2013 02:11 PM (HsTG8)

107 Doing nothing is a good option, but let's not kid ourselves. It the House does not consider a bill, without a clear disapproval from the entire house, the left will rant about forcing Boehner to vote, rather then go back and water down the amnesty in the Senate.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 27, 2013 02:11 PM (XvHmy)

108

*slides over truffles*

 

***

 

Eww, I thought truffles had tridges.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 02:12 PM (mvenn)

109 107 Doing nothing is a good option, but let's not kid ourselves. It the House does not consider a bill, without a clear disapproval from the entire house, the left will rant about forcing Boehner to vote, rather then go back and water down the amnesty in the Senate. Posted by: The Political Hat at June 27, 2013 07:11 PM (XvHmy) I'd submit a bill that says no new immigration bills will be considered until the ones currently on the books are actually enforce and followed.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 27, 2013 02:13 PM (3/g+i)

110 It's a god point. I'd prefer Boehner say to Reid. Try again no Obamacare exempton, hard benchmarks on border security, back of the line on citizenship consideration, no duis and other major crimes for citizenship candidates, invokation of supremacy and cessation of federal funds for sanctuary cities, e verify, punishment of employers and deportation of employees of illegals. Then civil service reform, tax reform, and a budget before any of this but FIRST YOU WILL BLOW ME. //mirror Universe John Boehner

Posted by: sven10077 at June 27, 2013 02:13 PM (joqNl)

111 Yeah, if Reid won't let House bills come up, why should we let their crap come up? Why can't we get our priorities done?

Posted by: Iblis at June 27, 2013 02:14 PM (9221z)

112 *slides over truffles*
Posted by: alexthechick


The candy or the fungus?

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 27, 2013 02:14 PM (v1mq9)

113

Boehner just needs to let it die. No Ryan counteroffer. Let it die.

 

This.  Any House bill will go to conference and come out as the senate bill.

 

Nothing needs to be done. 

 

"Nada" for those RINOs in the house.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 27, 2013 02:15 PM (qkZxk)

114 George is going to testify in his own behalf. However, the DA is so fucking sleezy I worry about it. I have seen some scuzzballs but he is the worse.

Posted by: Waldo at June 27, 2013 02:15 PM (RZwdH)

115 Sven you're back to your old self.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 27, 2013 02:15 PM (X4HxX)

116 OT This just in from Fox. Lil' Trayvon's parental units left the courthouse saying Dee Dee/Diamond's testimony "blew the defense out of the water." Long live the LIVs and FSAs. *bangs head on keyboard* Pro Tip: Go long on popcorn.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2013 02:15 PM (NKBxV)

117 I'd submit a bill that says no new immigration bills will be considered until the ones currently on the books are actually enforce and followed. Posted by: Buzzion at June 27, 2013 07:13 PM (3/g+i) Eff a new bill. Haul the executive branch members responsible for enforcing the current laws on the books into committee hearings to audit their performance, with consequences for failure to perform.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 27, 2013 02:16 PM (HsTG8)

118 Yeah, if Reid won't let House bills come up, why should we let their crap come up? Why can't we get our priorities done? Posted by: Iblis at June 27, 2013 07:14 PM (9221z) Brilliant! Have the house pass hard right bills and say they will "compromise" and "consider" the Senate's proposal... provided that the Senate shows its good faith by passing the House bills first.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 27, 2013 02:16 PM (XvHmy)

119 Remember, his mother was a fucking juvie probation officer. What a disaster of a mother!

Posted by: Waldo at June 27, 2013 02:16 PM (RZwdH)

120 Yeah, if Reid won't let House bills come up, why should we let their crap come up? Why can't we get our priorities done? Posted by: Iblis at June 27, 2013 07:14 PM (9221z) ---------------- Because the last letter in GOP stands for "Pussy."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 27, 2013 02:16 PM (s7Lfv)

121 The problem is, the white conservative base has no other power than voting. Every time the polls close that power goes away, and politicians reset to hard liberal and anti-white until they have to think about the polls again. As things stand, there is too much time when the're immune.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 27, 2013 02:16 PM (/+EhN)

122 Would it be too much to ask for Boehner to announce from the House floor that with nine percent unemployment, a dying economy and trillion-dollar deficits, this is no time to consider granting amnesty to millions of unskilled immigrants and their dependents?


Guess not.  I can dream though.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 27, 2013 02:16 PM (8ZskC)

123 The candy or the fungus?
Posted by: Dr Spank at June 27, 2013 07:14 PM (v1mq9)



The candy, of course.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 02:17 PM (Gk3SS)

124 In an earlier thread, some mentioned a plan to amnesty all those who are legally trying to get in. Say,anyone who has been on the list for 4 or 5 years. Swear them in next Thursday. I like it.

Posted by: Libtardo at June 27, 2013 02:17 PM (oPVx2)

125 Rubio, el mentiroso...

Posted by: Waldo at June 27, 2013 02:17 PM (RZwdH)

126 O/T (because Boehner is boring and predictable): The Obamacare propaganda campaign continues. Not only has the administration asked the NBA, NFL, Hollywood, and certain school districts (LA unified) to promote Obamacare, they're now getting women's magazines into the act.


These people are really getting creepy. It used to be be paranoia to believe that the government was monitoring you and blasting their message at you through a variety of seemingly independent & disinterested surrogates. Now, it's just a reality of Obama's world.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 27, 2013 02:17 PM (AmWlQ)

127 O/T (because Boehner is boring and predictable): The Obamacare propaganda campaign continues. Not only has the administration asked the NBA, NFL, Hollywood, and certain school districts (LA unified) to promote Obamacare, they're now getting women's magazines into the act. Posted by: Lizzy at June 27, 2013 07:17 PM (AmWlQ) All the little corporatist components have to bend to the will of the state. How else will they get the table scraps that the state claims defines those groups entire existence?

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 27, 2013 02:20 PM (XvHmy)

128 I don't regret voting for the guy, but what's gotten into him these days?

Posted by: Mallfly at June 27, 2013 06:48 PM (bJm7W)


NSA Fevah. It is pandemic to DC.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 27, 2013 02:20 PM (baL2B)

129 I promise to only put the tip in.

Posted by: John Boehner at June 27, 2013 02:20 PM (sYUAj)

130 Boehner needs to drop this shit like a hot potato and focus on promoting gay rights in Africa, - as a symbolic gesture.

Posted by: Fritz at June 27, 2013 02:20 PM (G9Mmf)

131 The conference report. It's what's in your mouth.

Posted by: John Boehner at June 27, 2013 02:21 PM (sYUAj)

132 115 Hobojerky, Good, bad, incoherent I'm the one trying finally to type on a keypad.....heh I am in awe of this fine town I'm in & returning too it is like somekind of Chicken Fried Gotham with less manners and sense. I'm probably gonna be in bed in a few.

Posted by: sven10077 at June 27, 2013 02:21 PM (joqNl)

133 These people are really getting creepy. It used to be be paranoia to believe that the government was monitoring you and blasting their message at you through a variety of seemingly independent disinterested surrogates. Now, it's just a reality of Obama's world.
Posted by: Lizzy at June 27, 2013 07:17 PM (AmWlQ)



I resent, deeply, being forbidden from having a non-political portion of my life.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 02:21 PM (Gk3SS)

134

Someone needs to explain to these DC types that in Decision Making 101, "Do Nothing" is always an option (and often is the best answer)

Posted by: Senior Logic at June 27, 2013 02:22 PM (Pr6hk)

135 The candy, of course.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch


Good, for a second I thought you were putting on airs, which most people believe is bad. Of course most people are beneath contempt in my opinion.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 27, 2013 02:22 PM (v1mq9)

136 124 In an earlier thread, some mentioned a plan to amnesty all those who are legally trying to get in. Say,anyone who has been on the list for 4 or 5 years. Swear them in next Thursday. I like it. Posted by: Libtardo at June 27, 2013 07:17 PM (oPVx2) I also saw that earlier. That's a good idea.

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 02:23 PM (sdi6R)

137

There is a “law of despair” I now see as operating in our political universe: whatever the issue or circumstance, if there is a path open to the Republicans which can be clearly identify as the "right" path (i.e., consistent with national good and even in most cases the actual political benefit of Republicans) but which deviates even slightly from the popular culture Narrative controlled by the MSM, and thus requires a modicum of political courage and proactive persuasion, the GOP will invariably, indubitably, unfailingly NOT take that path. They will take the default path of least resistance.

I now expect, and if I could find a bookie would bet most eveything I have on, the outcome of a bill emerging from the House and Senate which basically fulfills all of the posionous objectives of the amnesty bill just approved. Indeed, I believe the House will take up this bill with some urgency, notwithstanding anything John Boehner says.

Posted by: rrpjr at June 27, 2013 02:23 PM (tz9gu)

138 Because the last letter in GOP stands for "Pussy." The GO stands for "Go."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows ignorance is strength at June 27, 2013 02:24 PM (sBruU)

139 Journalist who helped Edward Snowden expose the NSA scandal was previously sued by business partner over running of 'Hairy Jocks' porn business Who knew???

Posted by: Waldo at June 27, 2013 02:25 PM (RZwdH)

140 Why are we afraid of this? The much coveted LIV ia NOT for amnesty. On my wife's facebook page her moonbat cousin daily posts some "Atheists and rational thinkers" pablum that everyone is forced to look at. Never got to her before, but the last weeks posts i tied to amnesty and she nearly busted a spring. I sense an opening here.

Posted by: Old Glazier at June 27, 2013 02:27 PM (mMKOV)

141

Why do we need immigration reform? I mean what's the problem? Is having millions of illegal aliens living in the shadows TM ?

 

 

Fuck no. That's a symptom, not a problem. We have many problems, like:

 

 

An immigration system that burdened whit red tape and lawyers.

Unrealistic quotas.

The govt's refusal to enforce the fucking laws. Don't give me any shit about biometrics, computer systems, blah, blah, blah. I solve 20 problems everyday that are more complicated.

And, oh yeah: an unprotected border.

 

 

Fuck you dems. Fuck you Rubio, Fuck you Ayott-whatever the fuck your name is. Fuck you, McCrapped-in-my-pants. Fuck you, McCrapped-in-my pants' cocksucker Graham. Fuck you, George W, George HW, and every other POS republican shitweasel that's let it go on this far.

 

 

And, fuck you, Mexico. Get your shit together.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at June 27, 2013 02:27 PM (i7B17)

142

Why would Boehner let it die?

He doesn't want it to die.

He's just trying to find some way to help sneak it by you rubes so you can get over it and vote GOP next election (because it's the MOST IMPORTANTEST ELECTION EVER).

Posted by: MlR at June 27, 2013 02:29 PM (BEuE2)

143

Fuck you dems. Fuck you Rubio, Fuck you Ayott-whatever the fuck your name is. Fuck you, McCrapped-in-my-pants. Fuck you, McCrapped-in-my pants' cocksucker Graham. Fuck you, George W, George HW, and every other POS republican shitweasel that's let it go on this far.

 

You forgot Rand Paul.  He used that "come out of the shadows" crap on FOX this afternoon.  He's also rooting for a House bill instead of nothing.  He's a shapeshifter I tells ya.

 

*retches*

Posted by: RushBabe at June 27, 2013 02:31 PM (qkZxk)

144 142
Why would Boehner let it die?
He doesn't want it to die.
He's just trying to find some way to help sneak it by you rubes so you can get over it and vote GOP next election (because it's the MOST IMPORTANTEST ELECTION EVER).

Posted by: MlR at June 27, 2013 07:29 PM (BEuE2)

Boehner the Orange won't be Speaker after 2014 if they pass it, the R's will lose the house.

Posted by: Red Shirt at June 27, 2013 02:32 PM (FIDMq)

145

Posted by: MlR at June 27, 2013 07:29 PM (BEuE2)
Boehner the Orange won't be Speaker after 2014 if they pass it, the R's will lose the house.

 

If he passes it, I fantasize him working for a Messican lawn crew come Spring of 2015.  And that will be the only time you ever see a post by me with Boehner and "fantasize" in the same sentence.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 27, 2013 02:33 PM (qkZxk)

146 South Dakota Montana Alaska Arkansas and West Virginia all look promising. If the GOP holds on immigration I wouldn't be shocked if we sweep these. The question is do we snag anything else- Louisiana, North Carolina, ETC and bigger, would it matter

Posted by: CAC at June 27, 2013 02:37 PM (Q5vxo)

147 God, I wish that the GOP would do that. But their fear of being called mean names on TV is matched only by their need to demonstrate how Super Clever they are. The House GOP leadership will attempt to weasel out of a standoff or a confrontation in some obscure and stupid way, will be promptly outmaneuvered by a Senate that doesn't actually care about leagality or rules, and will end up appearing both stupid and evil. Even more so, I mean.

Posted by: GalosGann at June 27, 2013 02:43 PM (vW1n3)

148 South Dakota Montana Alaska Arkansas and West Virginia all look promising. If the GOP holds on immigration I wouldn't be shocked if we sweep these. The question is do we snag anything else- Louisiana, North Carolina, ETC and bigger, would it matter Posted by: CAC at June 27, 2013 07:37 PM (Q5vxo) The order I see the states flipping to GOP are, from most likely to least: S. Dakota, W. Virginia, Alaska, N. Carolina, Arkansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Iowa, Montana, Virginia, N. Hampshire, Colorado, N. Mexico, Minnesota. This is obviously dependent on who the candidates are and just how badly the GOP will f**k up (and it will). Right now I'd say the GOP will net up 3 to maybe six. There is a chance the GOP could loose seats (ME + wildcard). CAC, you should put up a post about this.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 27, 2013 02:46 PM (XvHmy)

149 #148 Nobody reads my threads after November 2012. #MarkOfMorris

Posted by: CAC at June 27, 2013 02:48 PM (Q5vxo)

150 Nobody reads my threads after November 2012. #MarkOfMorris Posted by: CAC at June 27, 2013 07:48 PM (Q5vxo) Throw in some astronomy stuff (astrological election prediction), and perhaps a little psychedelic mood music, and it will all be good...

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 27, 2013 02:50 PM (XvHmy)

151 "The only fear I have about this is that it..."

Oh good grief!  Charlie Brown, meet football.

Posted by: Born Free at June 27, 2013 04:46 PM (gLZXf)

152

"The only fear I have about this is that it seems to preclude the very effective tactic of simply doing nothing except to tell the Senate to start over and try again.

Make your opponent negotiate with himself before he negotiates with you."



Dude, c'mon.

Boehner doesn't know the first thing about negotiation, except to compromise away the important things.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 27, 2013 06:36 PM (9+PGS)

153

I dont believe him

If any immigration bill passes I will never vote again.  My vote wont matter since the RINOs will ahve their 30 million new democrat voters.

 

 

Posted by: retired military at June 28, 2013 04:31 AM (SElov)

154 Boehner spends too much time drunk to figure out effective strategy, and when he's sober, he agrees with the Dems.

Posted by: Shoey (team Constitution) at June 28, 2013 07:44 AM (jdOk/)

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