March 31, 2005

Blogger FlameWar
— Ace

Hmmmm... You know, I really would have imagined that I would be part of something like this, rather than sitting on the sidelines saying "Please! Please, fellas! Let's all be nice!"

Jeff Goldstein is angry about Hundred Percenter's with-us-or-against-us attitude on Terri, and especially angry about what seems to me to be a gratuitous remark about getting his "beenie" in a twist.

I suppose that could be read, charitably, as a reference to the old academic beanies worn by freshmen in, like, 900 A.D., but I kinda doubt it.

HundredPercenter baits back about Goldstein being a crybaby.

I realize this is a highly emotional issue. One reason I've managed to maintain some amount of perspective -- despite being strongly in the pro-Terri camp -- is that I know good-meaning and good-hearted people that, for whatever reason, just don't seem to get what this case was about.

Whether wrapped up in abortion rights, or mistakenly thinking this was a standard right-to-die case, or being subconsciously biased against the Christian right, or putting a bit too much faith in the rulings of a single judge, or just being not very well acquainted with the facts of the case -- a lot of people of good will have erred in their judgment and have supported, with good but mistaken intentions, the euthanization of physically-healthy woman on the thinnest possible evidence that such constituted her "true wishes."

They're not bad people. They're good people. They are just, like many good people are from time to time, very wrong about something rather important.

We will disagree from time to time. Not just on the right, but between right and left. And -- can't believe I'm saying this -- we can disagree without being disagreeable.

We can. I personally choose to be disagreeable, of course, but we -- by which I mean "you" -- can manage to remain civil, if we try.

I think I might have mentioned this before, but it's still worth remembering. I was posting on Slate's Fray at the time of the Clinton Impeachment Wars, which made for very angry and often personal on-line spats. During a particularly nasty exchange, one guy popped in-- a guy I'd never seen before -- and shared these words of wisdom:

You guys know that when the space aliens come, we're all gonna be on the same side, right?

Something to think about.

But HundredPercenter -- not looking to get de-linked or anything, but have a bit of caution about plainly Jew-baiting remarks. What does that accomplish? Nothing, nothing except animosity and hurt feelings.

Plus, those people control the media.


Thanks to Windrider 95.

Playing Ref: Jeff, I think you were way out-of-line to insult someone as a "Christ-humper." You're guilty of the same sin you're protesting, and the "she did it first" defense won't wash.

You can insult someone you're angry with without also insulting believing Christians, too.

Don't defend it. Apologize and retract. You're better than that. I think.

A quick apology is usually better than a prologned bout of back-tracking and "explaining." It's quick and painless and you even gain "manful admission" points.

Posted by: Ace at 08:51 AM | Comments (80)
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1 HP puts out a rather shrill and public "de-linking" (as allah said about himself elsewhere "living his emotional life through his blogroll") and goldstein, in typical prickly yet amusing goldstein fashion, ridicules HP all over the place.

If HP wasn't so earnest all the time, I could see how the "beanie" comment would be a joke (as I joked with Jeff yesterday in your comments ace about "his people" liking drama).

But HP is obviously 100% serious, so the beanie comment is a bit over the line. it still might be an un-PC joke, but in the context of the schaivo thing, it's a touch mean-spirited.

Shit, we can just sit back and watch and laugh. We haven't had this much fun since the whole B4B/Austin fiasco.

Posted by: hobgoblin at March 31, 2005 09:04 AM (2da3S)

2 "with good but mistaken intentions, the euthanization of physically-healthy woman"

Irony that you think my position is 'mistaken' yet you consider a woman with massive brain damage as 'healthy'.

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at March 31, 2005 09:05 AM (VxPRK)

3 I don't think I would want to screw with Goldstein. I mean the dude did nickname himself "Jewzilla", and I'm pretty sure I'd end up looking like Tokyo.

Ardolino though? Bring him on. I think I can take on both all of Iceland and Ardolino.

Posted by: Jack M. at March 31, 2005 09:09 AM (6krEN)

4 "physically-healthy"

Man. You can't read what you yourself quoted in the line directly above?

So, what's next for the "you must have a QUALITY life" crowd? Going to skip from withholding food and water to outright lethal injection as Robbie George expects? Or will it be starving people with advanced Alzheimers who might be able to walk and talk but don't know where they're going and don't make sense?

C'mon, man! You're on your way to paradise! If you can just get rid of all those undesirables the world will only have people with QUALITY LIFE!

Posted by: Jamie at March 31, 2005 09:15 AM (1hRqD)

5 Yeah, Ardolino's a cupcake.

Goldstein's more like one of those imponderably dense, ancient fruitcakes. Those things land on you with a THUD. And even skin contact has been known to be fatal.

Posted by: Jeff B. at March 31, 2005 09:16 AM (shM5P)

6 Irony that you think my position is 'mistaken' yet you consider a woman with massive brain damage as 'healthy'.

I happen to have a relative who is both severely brain-damaged and yet physically healthy, Sharp.

Should we inquire into whether she deserves to live, too?

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2005 09:18 AM (Q6+G6)

7 Brain-injured people can be healthy, and brain-injured people can be sick, like when they catch a cold or have the flu.

It's amazing how many folks can't -- or won't -- grasp such a simple concept.

Posted by: Tom McMahon at March 31, 2005 09:20 AM (JPs/+)

8 Uh-oh, Ace. I think you just got dragged into this:

That is an observation and a speculation based on empirical data. If you can’t see it as such—but rather insist on playing the religiously persecuted Christian—I can’t help you. Go visit Ace; go hang out on Malachy’s site. Because sure, I make jokes here, but I’m also capable of more nuanced thought then “you are a death merchant and want Terri to die. You hate life.”

Now kindly fuck off.

Posted by Jeff Goldstein

Posted by: The Warden at March 31, 2005 09:23 AM (VFmEr)

9 "Should we inquire into whether she deserves to live, too?"

Ouch

Posted by: hobgoblin at March 31, 2005 09:24 AM (2da3S)

10 Relax a bit. Try not to get too emotional, it makes your rebuttals easy to dismiss. I stated a perfectly valid point.

Terri was not physically healthy for a human being. I'm not perfectly healthy either. I suffer from a brain chemical disorder (much like Ace from the post I read the other day) and some sort of sleep disorder they can't seem to diagnose. To make the jump that I wish to give lethal injections is an emotional rather than logical reaction and is part of the reason why people like HP make stupid jew comments.

Would you like to reword your comment and try to have a civil conversation? That's what I'm trying to do.

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at March 31, 2005 09:24 AM (VxPRK)

11 Look, the fact was that she had a rather low quality-of-life. Fine. I accept that.

But she was not dying. She was perfectly capable of living on were she just given what EVERYONE ELSE needs -- food and water.

That basic human necessity was denied to her not to ease and quicken an inevitable and painful death, but simply to destroy a life that some -- some -- deem "not worth living."

I accept that in some cases-- when someone faces pain and is going to die soon anyway, and there's no real hope of a medical treatment -- a person should have the ability to say, "I'd rather die now, rather than six months hence, in horrible pain and shitting all over myself."

But to kill someone who simply is not dying? And based on this shitty hearsay evidence from interested parties?

I think that crosses a very bright line.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2005 09:24 AM (Q6+G6)

12 yeah i found the Ace reference a little odd there too

Posted by: johnny at March 31, 2005 09:26 AM (OuLOj)

13 Ace-- if you're a little lonely, and are looking for an interblog flame war, I can always volunteer.

What should we insult each other over? I'm open to suggestions.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at March 31, 2005 09:28 AM (rV7Dk)

14 What everyone fails to acknowledge is Fem-mans insulting remarks, such as "christ-humper", "wearing a crown of thorns", "what would Jesus do", etc.

My intentions were not mean spirited, but a rebuttal.

Sorry Jeff if I do not conform to your politically correct ways.

Those that live in a glass house, shouldn't throw stones.

Posted by: HundredPercenter at March 31, 2005 09:28 AM (CEZlE)

15 Excuse me, mr. percenter, but where do you keep the torches, pitchforks, and bacon fat? I'm here for the "march".

and marble, she lived for almost 2 weeks without food and water. that sounds pretty hale to me.

perfect health? obviously not. "physically healthy"? yeah, sounds about right.

Posted by: hobgoblin at March 31, 2005 09:29 AM (2da3S)

16 Hobgoblin-
If someone punched you in the face, would you punch back?

He initiated the religion insinuations. What am I some pinata for the libertarians?

To hell with that.

Posted by: HundredPercenter at March 31, 2005 09:33 AM (CEZlE)

17 "What should we insult each other over? I'm open to suggestions."

Actually I'm hoping to start something like this with Allah, because he's 1, still a huge blogger despite, you know, not actually blogging, and 2, he's a retard, and 3, I banged his sister up the squeakhole and she gave me the clap.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2005 09:37 AM (Q6+G6)

18 HP,

No, you can fight back, but when you do, remember who started the fight in the first place before you get high & mighty. The public de-linking was petty, crass and just plain teh ghey.

I'll repost what I wrote to you at Goldstein's:


HP, not that I really care to have you make nice with Goldstein, but don’t you realize how offensive it is to tell someone what they HAVE TO do?

I mean, Jeff has said he was in favor of keeping Terri alive, but do you really think that if someone is not willing ot spash it across their OWN site in 72 point font, that they’re the Debbil?

Further, to PRESUME that people are of the same ideological bent as you sinmply because they support the WoT? That’s arrogant.

Man, just give your myopic sanctimony a rest.

And I say that as a firmly Christian, firmly conservative individual who disagrees with Goldstein about this issue without being an ASSHOLE.

Posted by: hobgoblin at March 31, 2005 09:38 AM (2da3S)

19 Dave - obviously your spat with Ace would be over your insulting comments regarding him not being familiar with entertaining (but well known) internet sites.

NOW BRING IT ON. I'll choose sides later. LET THE DELINKING BEGIN!

Posted by: carin at March 31, 2005 09:39 AM (GKUBM)

20 Space aliens... From Arabia.

Except judging from '02-'03, a lot of the left will be welcoming our tentacled overlords.

Posted by: someone at March 31, 2005 09:41 AM (S22v9)

21 (man, Dave, you're being dissed for someone who doesn't even blog anymore.)

Posted by: carin at March 31, 2005 09:41 AM (GKUBM)

22 "You guys know that when the space aliens come, we're all gonna be on the same side, right?"

If we could have only kept this in mind, we could have avoided the Rodney King riots and Damien "Football" Williams would still be free on the streets of South Central peddling crack.

Yeah, I know it's a non-sequitur. Sorry.

Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at March 31, 2005 09:41 AM (WsZ4F)

23 Ace vs Allah?

No holds barred??!!

This battle needs to be held at a Neutral site!!!

I hereby offer the keys to the Blogtower to you two to hold your fight.

And I'll even waive my customary 10% commission on resulting T-Shirt sales.

Gentleman, come to the Blogtower and GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!

Posted by: Jack "Don King" M. at March 31, 2005 09:42 AM (6krEN)

24 Actually I'm hoping to start something like this with Allah, because he's 1, still a huge blogger despite, you know, not actually blogging, and 2, he's a retard, and 3, I banged his sister up the squeakhole and she gave me the clap.

She told me about it last night. She said she just wanted to go crazy on you. She doesn't even know why she's like this.

Posted by: Allah at March 31, 2005 09:44 AM (Hp/f6)

25 My guess is that a blog roll between Dave and Ace would be a helluva lot funnier than this slap fight going on right now.

Maybe we could establish a betting line.

Posted by: The Warden at March 31, 2005 09:44 AM (VFmEr)

26 Jack, you slut.

Ace, what should Allah care about you and his sister? They're not dating anymore.

Ancient history, man.

Posted by: lauraw at March 31, 2005 09:45 AM (RldyP)

27 (man, Dave, you're being dissed for someone who doesn't even blog anymore.)

Well, don't get me wrong. I also don't like Dave very much, and of course I have plenty of derogatory things to say about him.

But let's be honest: I'm like a starting cornerback, and Dave's... well, you know, Dave's up in the bleachers with the band-dorks, thinking anybody gives a shit that they're playing some sort of "funked out" version of Louie, Louie.

I mean, okay, for a band dork, yeah, he's lead trumpet and all, but let's face it, when the game's over I'm gonna be the one getting a hummer on the back of the team bus and Dave's gonna be talking to his acne-scarred friends about how they "really kicked it up and got the crowd going" during the four-minute percussion solo in Some Like it Hot.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2005 09:45 AM (Q6+G6)

28 Blog roll. Blog row......whatever.

Posted by: The Warden at March 31, 2005 09:46 AM (VFmEr)

29 Again: Let's be honest.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2005 09:46 AM (Q6+G6)

30 It's amazing how many folks can't -- or won't -- grasp such a simple concept.
What? That Brain Damage is healthy? Sorry if I don't buy into the argument that a healthy set of kidneys and a working pancreas is all you need to be considered healthy. Mental health is more important to me than physical wellness.

And ace, what medical treatment or therapy was going to regrow all the brain matter that was damaged? Yes, she could have possibly been trained to chew food, but the person that was Terri Schiavo died when her brain was starved for oxygen 15 years ago. Do you think that enough of her brain survived that contained her memories or her personality? Nobody argued that her brain didn't atrophy and liquify. EKGs showed -0- electrical signals. You don't maintain much with no current in your brain.

My worst fear is that part of her might have survived - trapped in a body that wouldn't respond, unable to experience any sort of liberty like you or me. And yes, in my opinion that is not a life worth living. Had she the ability to communicate with others (regardless of means), then there would be hope. But to force her to exist in that shell is a horrifying thought for me.

Yes, it's my personal view. Your views are personal too since you don't know Terri and have no idea what she wanted. Flimsy evidence? It was the ONLY evidence. One eyed man is king type of thing.

Sorry, but I think Terri got a bad deal. Back in 90 when her mind died, and the cowardly way they let her die (should have been quick and painless). And I'm sorry many of you think of me as a monster or murderer. You're sorely mistaken and I hope you realize that labeling people as such makes you no better than HP.

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at March 31, 2005 09:49 AM (VxPRK)

31 All we need now is Mr. Paul Anka to sing out the National Anthem before Allah and Ace start to rumble, and it'll be a fight with integrity. Full value for money, if you know what I mean.

"banged his sister up the squeakhole?" Oh, man, I've got to figure out a way to work that into dinner coversation tonight. . .

Posted by: Christopher at March 31, 2005 09:51 AM (SjUPQ)

32 Oh, and Ace - you're still on my blogroll. I have more tolerance for people with differing opinions than myself. Besides, I'm sure the extra 1 or 2 hits a month really help

Besides, with my whacky outlook on life, it's amazing I even agree with myself.

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at March 31, 2005 09:52 AM (VxPRK)

33 someone,

I had the same thought.

That comment about the space aliens sounds nice, and I think it SHOULD be true, but we can clearly see from the aftermath of 9/11 that it isn't.

Unless the space aliens turn out to look like white people, and really admire the bourgeois culture of the US in the 1950s.

Posted by: DTLV at March 31, 2005 09:54 AM (KOirE)

34 Sharp, so you just disregard the words of her parents, her siblings, many of her caregivers, and some doctors that she did have some awareness. Because the medical proof (that her entire brain was liquified) is disputed. And, I find the idea that she should have never been resuscitated really disingenuous ... many people suffer catastrophic events, but come out just fine. You would have KNOWN, just looking at her, what her prognosis would be??? Doctors don't know.

Posted by: carin at March 31, 2005 10:00 AM (GKUBM)

35 we need to understand why the space aliens don't like us, and what we can do to help promote understanding of the complex culture of the space aliens, a Culture of Peace

Posted by: johnny at March 31, 2005 10:00 AM (OuLOj)

36 Who's to judge one's "quality of life" other than the one living it? This opens up WAYYYY too many damned doors. How many times do we look at others and say "Damn, it would suck to live that way" when the people we're looking at might be looking right back at us, thinking the same thing about US.

It's best not to GO THERE... ah, but we DID go there and there will be no turning back from it. This is bad news on a bad day in America. RIP Terri Schiavo and RIP civil rights.

Posted by: Gun-Toting Lib at March 31, 2005 10:03 AM (a2s7D)

37 "You guys know that when the space aliens come, we're all gonna be on the same side, right?"

I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.

Posted by: Kent Brockman at March 31, 2005 10:04 AM (Sw8Cn)

38 Sorry, but if your line of reasoning leads you to concluding that it's ok to kill someone who had committed no crime and wasn't dying, then you're completely f'ed up and you should expect people to respond strongly to you. It doesn't mean we're just emotional while you're objective and logical. It means you're sorely lacking in either intelligence, clarity of vision, or morals.

This is not the start of a slippery slope, it's the first pebble of an avalanche. One, coincidentally that was predicted long ago in the abortion debates.

So answer my question, Marble. Who's next in your QUALITY life parade? Are there any other people who can't speak up for themselves whom you think should be starved on another person's say-so? How much QUALITY does someone have to have?

PVS is a new classification, relatively speaking. Are you going to go along with the next neurologist who argues that there's such thing as a Persistent Near Vegetative State that includes those with advanced Alzheimers and that those in PNVS can be euthanized too? How about Permanently Mentally Handicapped? Where does it stop? It used to be with actual physical death. Then it was brain death. Now it's people who are neither brain dead nor physically ill but "vegetative." Tell me you can't see any sort of progression.

Posted by: Jamie at March 31, 2005 10:10 AM (1hRqD)

39 Sharp, so you just disregard the words of her parents, her siblings, many of her caregivers, and some doctors that she did have some awareness.

Are you disputing the EKG readings? I mean 0 activity is pretty bad. It means there's no functioning going on. And which doctors who actually examined her said she had some awareness?

As for the caregivers, from what I read they had to put a restraining order on Micheal because he was angry at them for not spending enough time with Terri and got violent about it. So are those caregivers lying? How do you discern the liars from the truthtellers?

And as for her parents and siblings, well aren't exactly disinterested parties, are they? Because if you dismiss Micheal's claims because he has motives, then you have to dismiss the parent's claims as well. And I'm sorry to say that when you can't let go, you'll find the slightest wink or movement as 'proof'.

It still seems like people think she simply had a cold and with the correct dosage of Tylenol she'd have jumped right out of bed. It wasn't going to happen.

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at March 31, 2005 10:11 AM (VxPRK)

40 One more bit about Dave:

He's an imbecile. This is the guy who sends me links about Vanity Fair articles about Antonio Banderas ("He's so cute!" I seem to remember one post went), and yet he decided -- for reasons beyond my ken -- that I wouldn't think the Pat O'Brien answering-machine "you have to eat Betsy too" tapes were funny at all.

See? I mean, where do you go with someone like that?

You can call normal people "retards," but you can't call an actual retard a "retard," because it's just mean-spirited.

So what can I do?

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2005 10:14 AM (Q6+G6)

41 No, you answered my question, I'm not going to debate the case point by point. In this case, you either believe one set of facts or the other.

I choose the set of facts that errors on the side of life. Neither you nor I have met her, or know the truth.

Posted by: carin at March 31, 2005 10:16 AM (GKUBM)

42 I understand, Ace. That's it, I'm delinking Dave (besides, he doesn't have me on his blogroll ... he is SO GONE.)

Posted by: carin at March 31, 2005 10:18 AM (GKUBM)

43 Sharp,

You don't exactly help your case by mixing up EEG (brain) with EKG (heart.) I haven't seen anything but the CT scan here:

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html

Dr. CBB does know what he's looking at, and he says it's not that bad. He may be overstating his case, but at the very least you have to concede that the available evidence is ambiguous. The fact that the docs who reported to the court split 3-2 is not particularly reassuring, either.

Posted by: DTLV at March 31, 2005 10:19 AM (KOirE)

44 Emotional response, not logical. Now I want to kill alzheimers patients. Nice progression.

I wouldn't have had a problem if, through legal means, Terri was kept alive by her parents. I think it's sick, I wouldn't do that to my daughter if she had such massive brain damage. And I have a daughter and cannot, in a little 2x3 box tell you how much I love my daughter or what I'd do for her. Luckily for me, I don't have to make those types of decisions each day. Luckily none of us do.

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at March 31, 2005 10:20 AM (VxPRK)

45 LauraW,

SLUT?! SLUT!!!! How dare you! Slut's give their junked up shit away for free.

I am more correctly referred to as a "whore" in that people gladly pay for what I'm selling.

After all, Jack "Don King" M. ain't in the flame game for nothing. It's all about the flames. And the booze. The occasional groupie. But mainly the love of the flame!

Ain't America great?

Posted by: Jack "Don King" M. at March 31, 2005 10:21 AM (ywZa8)

46 Yes, I mistakenly said EKG. I meant EEG. I'm not a doctor so I don't deal with the terms every day.

But, I'm sorry, enough people said she was beyond repair that I don't need to go over it again and again until I find someone who'll tell me something that would make me feel better.

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble at March 31, 2005 10:27 AM (VxPRK)

47 Hey, I'll feud with the head band nerd, the concession guy, the drink lady, the starting conerback or whatever.

I'm still a little annoying kid trying to sneak into the game by climbing over the fence. Unfortunately me pants get caught on the barbed wire fence and I while I do make it into the game, I have to spend the entire time in the bathroom because my pants are stuck up on top of the fence. Stop laughing at me!

So here it goes. Dave you don't know anything about Garfield. Fat kid you are fat (not really, you look great, but shhhh). Ace you are a terrible D&D player with no integrity. Allah you are not really a god and you take way too long of blogging breaks.

Sorry if I was too harsh on any of you, I didn't hold back.

Okay who's ready?

Posted by: Aaron - Wardrobe Door at March 31, 2005 10:31 AM (V9inq)

48 "Sharp, so you just disregard the words of her parents, her siblings, many of her caregivers, and some doctors that she did have some awareness."

Disregard, or just figure they don't know what they are talking about?

CNN showed some of the tape of her last night to Sanjiv Gupta (a neurologist). The anchor clearly thought this tape was evidence of Terri Schiavo's not being in PVS. Gupta shrugged and said something like No, that's pretty much what PVS looks like. He didn't confirm the diagnosis or anything, but clearly, it's possible to look at Terri Schiavo and think she's functioning when experts know that she's not.

As for the swallowing, that's clearly a lie. The nurse who said those things was dismissed because, as the judge said, you'd have to believe that everyone--including the Schindlers--were in a conspiracy if what she said was the truth.

Besides, what on earth makes any of you think that you're more qualified to judge her condition than someone who actually saw all the tapes, read all the reports, and saw the witnesses examined?

It really is Free Mumia all over again.

Ace, it's simply inaccurate to equate "severely brain damaged" people to Terri Schiavo's condition.

Severely brain damaged people still have awareness. Terri Schiavo did not. I'm indifferent to whether or not her feeding tube was removed, but I can't stand all this nonsense about her condition.

For example, people say "She's not in a coma!" as if her condition was a step up from a coma. Wrong. A coma is a substantial step up from PVS.

And again, despite your apparent ignorance on the subject, states have been removing feeding tubes from PVS patients for years. It's established law. If you don't like it, then fight to change it. But don't pretend that there's something unusual about Terri Schiavo's condition.

Given how many simple facts you've been completely wrong about since you began blogging on the subject, why not figure out that you really don't know what the hell you're talking about?

Posted by: cal at March 31, 2005 10:39 AM (7ThMu)

49 Sharp,

In terms of the letter of the law, you're right: enough people = one doctor + her obviously conflicted husband.

This is one of those cases where strict enforcement of the letter of the law results in an obvious injustice. It's unknown what her wishes would be (if you discount her husband's testimony on the basis of his enormous financial and personal conflicts of interest,) and it's unknown what her quality of life/hope for the future is (based on the fact that the doctors don't agree.) Given that we don't know the truth on those two critical points, what possible justification can there be for killing her?

Posted by: DTLV at March 31, 2005 10:39 AM (KOirE)

50 Aaron,

Stop lying, you miserable bastard.

We all now why you are hiding out in the restroom.

Two words punk: Glory Holes.

Now quick picking on your bettors before I have to link you and then de-link you, publicly.


Posted by: Jack "Human Torch" M. at March 31, 2005 10:40 AM (ywZa8)

51 Ace--

I have been many things, but a band geek is not one of them. Although, if I was a band geek, I'd be sure to play "The Imperial March" over and over again, except during the national anthem, when I'd play "The Girl From Ipanema," just to mix things up a bit.

As for getting a hummer, if Ace's idea of quality polishing is that obtained from Allah's scabarous sister Myrtle, well then, he can keep the oral pleasure. I'll stick to something less painful, like getting crabs from Ace's Auntie Em.

You know the best thing about Ace's gig here? All that crazy blog money means he can keep up his Vagisil regimine. Trust, me you did NOT want to be around Ace back in his Blogspot days. One word: itchy.

As for me, since I have no crazy blog money coming into my entirely free website, I've resorted to charity donations for my Magnum-brand condoms. Hey, I can't give those up-- after she had Ace, do you really think his mother wants to have *another* kid?

Oh, wait, you say that Ace's site is free? Huh, that's funny-- I have to see ads when I visit Ace's page. What's free about that? Ace even has ads *selling money*, Iraqi money. Yeah, I bet that'll come in realy handy, pal. Why not market Iraqi dirt? I bet after we pants Zarqawi, Iraqi dirt is gonna be *huge* man, the next Pop Rocks, or Crystal Pepsi.

You know what, I've *never* asked anyone to buy a t-shirt. Because one, I don't need the money to give you the quality, FRESH links you get at my site. And two, when Garfield Ridge eventually sells something you can wear, it'll be something cool, like Garfield Ridge Level IV Tactical Ballistic Protection, or Garfield Ridge Dental Dams.

A t-shirt with a skull and crossbones? How original. Now you too can look like a Mencken-quoting gay pirate, while giving Ace enough pocket change to afford his plasti-jug vodka.

Cheers,

Dave at Garfield Ridge

P.S. Are you sure you want to delink me Carin? I mean, I'd be glad to link to your webpage, but I can't seem to find it. Is it under "I" for "irrelevant," or "Y," for yawny?

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at March 31, 2005 10:51 AM (rV7Dk)

52 Jack,

I like the concept of linking and de-linking. Maybe I'll link and de-link the DU so I can make a big fuss about it at the top of the page.

Oh, also. You're a little bitch who diddles himself to syndicated episodes of "Brotherly Love."

Posted by: The Warden at March 31, 2005 10:52 AM (GHOoT)

53 OOOoohhh-eee! Look at the big brain on Dave!


*BLAM*

Posted by: hobgoblin at March 31, 2005 11:02 AM (2da3S)

54 Oh, that's is Dave. You will RUE THE DAY. RUE I say.

Posted by: carin at March 31, 2005 11:02 AM (GKUBM)

55 Cal,

I visited your blog, you got your hit, now go away.

Posted by: BrewFan at March 31, 2005 11:04 AM (Byr3j)

56 Hey Carin?

Rue this.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at March 31, 2005 11:06 AM (rV7Dk)

57 I think cal's asking for some gen-u-wine Ace-o-Spades lovin.

Posted by: hobgoblin at March 31, 2005 11:08 AM (2da3S)

58 LOL, Dave.

Posted by: carin at March 31, 2005 11:10 AM (GKUBM)

59 How are we gonna get a nice blog fight going if you post funny shit like that? I'm just one of the cheerleaders anyway.

Posted by: carin at March 31, 2005 11:11 AM (GKUBM)

60 Dave,

I'm sorry, I began to read your screed, but I came across something more interesting from someone more important, a Mr. Thomas Django from Nigeria offering me 400 (four hundred) gold bars from the National Bank of Cyprus.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2005 11:12 AM (Q6+G6)

61 Warden,

If you would get your jackhammered rectum out of Downtown Lad's loft once in a while, you would know that I don't diddle myself to episodes of "Brotherly Love".

I diddle myself, while calling out your Mother's name, to episodes of "The Golden Girls".

Because, it's sorta a pavlovian response. Everytime I was making your mother and grandmother into three entrance women, that show was always on in the background.

And for some reason, you Mom always wanted to be "Blanche" and your Grandma had this thing about being "Rose".

Hell, I didn't mind though. The money was good.

So show some respect, or I shall publicly link and de-link you again!

Oh..the DU idea? Brilliant! I respect that. Bitch.

Posted by: Jack M. at March 31, 2005 11:17 AM (ywZa8)

62 I think cal's asking for some gen-u-wine Ace-o-Spades lovin.

Ohh, they all do eventually. It's a fuckin' curse.

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2005 11:17 AM (Q6+G6)

63 Actually, tough guy, no one knows how aware Terri was. And the court-appointed neurologists disagreed in their diagnoses. The majority thought she would never recover. This is a far cry from saying that she is not aware. They differed over how much of her brain was still functioning. PART of the cerebellum had liquified.

Again, that's all beside the point. The point is, as Ace said, there's a pretty bright line between brain dead and living just fine so long as she receives oxygen, food, shelter, and water.

Posted by: Jamie at March 31, 2005 11:19 AM (1hRqD)

64 Ace--

I know we've had our differences, but with regard to your Cypriot gold offer, let me give you a piece of advice, one supervillian to another:

It's a trick.

Get an axe.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at March 31, 2005 11:24 AM (rV7Dk)

65 "Ace--

I know we've had our differences..."

Dave @ GR.

What the hell kinda pansy-ass talk is this? Who the hell are you? His girlfriend?

For fuck's sake, you work in the damn Pentagon, Dave! Do you think Patton would have ever approached Rommel and said "Irwin...I know we've had our differences..."

Got-dam. It's pussyfootin' shit like that that makes you and Neil Diamond look bad.

Consider yourself de-linked. Pussy.

(If I get around to it...I'm pretty lazy when it comes to these things. And, to be honest, I don't really remember what started this. So I guess you are safe. For Now. Wuss.)

Posted by: Jack M. at March 31, 2005 11:33 AM (ywZa8)

66 "And the court-appointed neurologists disagreed in their diagnoses. "

Wrong. There was only one court-appointed neurologist. The others weren't court-appointed. The Schindlers chose two doctors and Michael Schiavo chose two. The court-appointed neurologist agreed down the line with the two Schiavo neurologists. The wattage of those three considerably outshone the other two, by the way. Hammesfahr was not nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, and Maxfield was a radiologist, not a neurologist. Both had extremely experimental treatments with no documented evidence of success.

" The majority thought she would never recover. "

Wrong. All of them agreed that the likelihood of recovery was minimal. Two of them (the Schindlers two) held out a bare minimum of hope for their treatment, but agreed it was unlikely.

The disagreement was whether or not she was in PVS, or as you said, whether or not she was aware.

This is in addition to the three other doctors who testified in the first trial, as well as the numerous other doctors who had already treated Terri Schiavo in the early 90s and told him that they wouldn't be treating her any more because there was no hope for her recovery.

Why the hell can't any of you know what you're talking about? How difficult is it, after all, to be informed?

Posted by: Cal at March 31, 2005 11:34 AM (7ThMu)

67 Dear Idiots,

There is now a thread dedicated to your retarded burblings.

Sincerely,

Fuck off and die

Posted by: ace at March 31, 2005 11:36 AM (Q6+G6)

68 "How difficult is it, after all, to be informed? "

Well, if you're the prototype, not very.

Posted by: BrewFan at March 31, 2005 11:39 AM (Byr3j)

69 Ace, thanks for trying to get everyone to play nice and keep the focus on a woman who died of thirst in broad daylight before the eyes of the world and with the consent - even encouragment - of the law.

It's very classy of you. It must be that integrity kick you're on. You'd be on the top of my bookmark list, even if your blog didn't begin with "a."

Although you might change the name to "AAAAAce" just to make sure....

Posted by: vivi at March 31, 2005 11:41 AM (nTEvo)

70 So if we can now withold food and water from people that are obviously brain damaged, DU is going to start getting awfully quiet.

Posted by: Master of None at March 31, 2005 12:00 PM (2c7xL)

71 You are right, Ace. I obviously don’t think the vast majority of Christians are "Christ-humpers." To be honest with you, I tend to use that particular suffix as a punchier form of -phile, but almost always when I'm pissed, and almost always meant to wound. For that I apologize.

Though I don't apologize to Bette Anne. At all.

Posted by: Jeff G at March 31, 2005 12:00 PM (jd1P8)

72 Why don't you take your football and go home Cal.

She's dead. No need to gloat.

Posted by: at March 31, 2005 12:12 PM (Pt3Le)

73 Cal, you know what the problem with four of those three doctors is?

Radiologists are the ones who make it their living to interpret and place CT brain scans, not neurologists.

Posted by: mAc Chaos at March 31, 2005 12:27 PM (XfhYg)

74 By 'four of three' I meant four of five.

Posted by: mAc Chaos at March 31, 2005 12:28 PM (XfhYg)

75 Ace,

And if the dispute had been over reading the CAT scan, you might have a point. But it wasn't. The radiologist didn't dispute the CAT scan reading. He was there to flog an experimental treatment.

Posted by: Cal at March 31, 2005 12:31 PM (7ThMu)

76 Whoops--I don't know why I thought I was posting to Ace, sorry.

Posted by: cal at March 31, 2005 12:32 PM (7ThMu)

77 i must be too naive to understand the HP-PW flame fest.
not in a million yrs would i have taken the ''beanie in a twist'' comment as a religious attack.
if it was, HP should be ashamed.
if it was innocent foolishness, than please calm down PW.
where's the love?
what shall we do, those of us who love PW and! HP and! ace and! allah?

Posted by: at March 31, 2005 01:25 PM (x0C8F)

78 Shit. I hang some curtains, get a little tight (it's only cheap table wine! Leave me alone!) and I miss another amazing post and comment feeding frenzy on Ace of Spades. I am truly behind in my game. Off to the gym...

PS: I just thought of 100%er as some sort of boring commenter. Had no idea he had a blog. If he delinked me would a tree falling down in the forest make a sound?

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