January 31, 2012

Big Government: Sources Inside "One GOP" Campaign Say Exit Polls Show an Easy Win For Sweet Meteor of Death at 59%
— Ace

Or Romney.

Lot of caveats there. Big Government claims sources inside someone's camp who says their exit polls, for whatever they count, show a Romney win.

It is what it is. It's data. Sort of.

Romney 47%

Gingrich 34%

Santorum 11%

Paul 8%

(untested: Sweet Meteor of Death)

Via Drudge:

SOURCES, EXIT POLLS 5 PM ET: 46% ROMNEY 32% GINGRICH 12% SANTORUM 7% PAUL...

Given how Drudge has been nailing Romney, I'm going to assume Drudge's numbers come from Romney, and I'm going to assume further that Big Government's come from Gingrich.

But that would be based on the same exit polls, I assume. With some slightly different mathematical models employed to project the entire vote.


That's a pretty fair showing by Gingrich, assuming these numbers are accurate, which in fact I don't.

I'll just call this the Florida Results Thread.

Posted by: Ace at 01:25 PM | Comments (569)
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1 SMOD wasn't on the ballot?  Disappointing.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 31, 2012 01:26 PM (Lpdzt)

2


thank you ace.  That last thread was starting to smell menopausal and sour (like Hillary).


Posted by: imp at January 31, 2012 01:26 PM (UaxA0)

3 Fox said 56% for Romney

Posted by: Darth Truman at January 31, 2012 01:26 PM (I2LwF)

4 I'm speechless after seeing such a disgustingly dishonest blog entry and demand this site be shut down.

Posted by: Speaker Newt Gingrich at January 31, 2012 01:27 PM (NDZar)

5 the tears will be sweat to my dark overlord tonight, the hair is to be embraced, resistance is futile

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Serves Lord Romney On The Dark Side at January 31, 2012 01:27 PM (US/0E)

6 Yes, thank you Mr. Ace for the new smelling thread.

Posted by: dogfish at January 31, 2012 01:28 PM (N2yhW)

7 I still hate when this happens. The Panhandle is in a different time zone.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:29 PM (r2PLg)

8 None are to speak of my powers.  I cast thee out! 

Posted by: Romney's Hair at January 31, 2012 01:29 PM (NDZar)

9 Let's call this the Florida Results Thread.

You're not the boss of me.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 31, 2012 01:29 PM (723y0)

10 Always believe exit polling data. Trust me.

Posted by: President John F. Kerry at January 31, 2012 01:29 PM (YqXne)

11 Does this poll factor in Romney's hand in administering Zyklon-B in nursing homes?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 31, 2012 01:29 PM (+lsX1)

12

Ouch.  If those are the results, Romney is slaughtering.

SMOD is intrigued.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (epBek)

13 When do the polls close. I know the panhandle closes an hour later though.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (YdQQY)

14 None are to speak of my powers. I cast thee out!

Posted by: Romney's Hair at January 31, 2012 06:29 PM (NDZar)

I pray for your forgiveness my lord

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Serves Lord Romney On The Dark Side at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (US/0E)

15 Well, it was very nice of Drudge to call it with sirens and all(Is it really shocking for Romney to win Florida?) before the polls closed...

Posted by: ziggyelman at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (AFxgl)

16 This "early leak" looks like an attempt to do what the DEMS and the Liberal media did in 2000. Call Florida early , and depress the vote in the Panhandle. It's a play right out of that book.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (r2PLg)

17 7 I still hate when this happens.

The Panhandle is in a different time zone.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 06:29 PM (r2PLg)


Didn't Florida fix that after the 2000 election?

Posted by: mugiwara at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (KI/Ch)

18 >>>You're not the boss of me. you're right. Let ME call it that. You can call it a bunch of malarkey if you like. But only that, that's your only other option.

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (nj1bB)

19 Does Florida still have a hanging chad?

Posted by: dogfish at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (N2yhW)

20 Old and busted: Newt won South Carolina but the race is still wide open.

New hotness: Mitt wins Florida, the race is over. Shut up and get in line!

Posted by: DrewM. at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (YqXne)

21
I question the timing.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 31, 2012 01:31 PM (QMtmy)

22

you fools speak of hope from the panhandle, ha! you know not what comes in the night

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Serves Lord Romney On The Dark Side at January 31, 2012 01:31 PM (US/0E)

23 Wouldn't it be nice if we could believe what our candidates and their campaigns said?  I know.  I know.  That's crazy talk.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2012 01:31 PM (Hx5uv)

24 It's not the Panhandle...it's called 'the cracker counties'.

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 01:32 PM (X6akg)

25 I believe Romney takes it by 14% or so, but why do they have to leak it? They are saying the "source" is- "inside someone's camp"?

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:32 PM (r2PLg)

26 Could be they're releasing exit polls to try to influence the vote in the panhandle. If I remember right, isn't there a time zone difference in the more conservative panhandle or whatever they call it? Attempting to disillusion the pro-Newt people living out there. Maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: JellyToast at January 31, 2012 01:32 PM (KMpJH)

27 Issa threatening Holder with contempt again.

http://is.gd/EMj7lL

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 01:32 PM (YdQQY)

28

So what's up next?

Between now and Super Tuesday (March 6th)

Nevada (caucus)
February 4–11, 2012 Maine (caucus)
February 7, 2012 Colorado (caucus)
Minnesota (caucus)
Missouri (primary) – *See note below on Missouri
February 28, 2012 Arizona (primary)
Michigan (primary)
March 3, 2012 Washington (caucus)
Nevada (caucus)
February 4–11, 2012 Maine (caucus)
February 7, 2012 Colorado (caucus)
Minnesota (caucus)
Missouri (primary) – *See note below on Missouri
February 28, 2012 Arizona (primary)
Michigan (primary)
March 3, 2012 Washington (caucus)
Nevada (Romney)

Maine (Romney)

Colorado (Romney)

Minnesota (Romney)

Missouri ??? (Gingrich I'd say right now)

Arizona ??? (Gingrich again possibly)

Michigan (Romney, quite obviously)

Washington (Romney)

Gingrich will have to survive going 2 for 8 before Super Tuesday.

ST may be more interesting:

Alaska (caucus)
Georgia (primary)
Idaho (caucus)
Massachusetts (primary)
North Dakota (caucus)
Ohio (primary)
Oklahoma (primary)
Tennessee (primary)
Vermont (primary)
Virginia (primary)

Of these, MA, VT, and VA are going Romney, but the rest are likely more Gingrich territory. The biggest fight will be over Ohio, which is currently polling barely Gingrich according to PPP.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 01:32 PM (gULDe)

29 @ 20 old hotness - hey Newt blew out in SC. new hotness - the media bought it for Romney

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Serves Lord Romney On The Dark Side at January 31, 2012 01:32 PM (US/0E)

30 23 Wouldn't it be nice if we could believe what our candidates and their campaigns said? I know. I know. That's crazy talk.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2012 06:31 PM (Hx5uv)


I will vaporize you, you family, and the entire human race. And I keep my promises.

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 01:33 PM (KI/Ch)

31 Polls close at 7, Vic.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2012 01:33 PM (d0Tfm)

32 Everyone that mentioned 2000...exactly! Just get everyone out of the way so Mitt can easily lose to Obama...

Posted by: ziggyelman at January 31, 2012 01:33 PM (AFxgl)

33 Fox said 56% for Romney

Fox has become as dumb as a box of fucking rocks. Shockingly, the only voice of reason lately has been Bill. Now that's fucked up.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at January 31, 2012 01:34 PM (yGl9Q)

34 New hotness: Mitt wins Florida, the race is over. Shut up and get in line!


I just went to Amazon and ordered my cornbrero. Free supersaver shipping!

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 31, 2012 01:34 PM (HtUdo)

35 Results tracker at Fox

http://is.gd/reBEDB

They also say polls close at 8 pm. I am assuming that is both by then.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 01:34 PM (YdQQY)

36 @ 32 as opposed to the Obama landslide VS Gingrich?

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Serves Lord Romney On The Dark Side at January 31, 2012 01:34 PM (US/0E)

37
Es ist von unseren lieben Parteiführern bestellt worden, dass Sie Romney stützen müssen. Abweichler werden rau behandelt. Alle guten Bürger des Zustandes willigen mit diesen Aufträgen ein.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 31, 2012 01:34 PM (7+pP9)

38 It's not the Panhandle...it's called 'the cracker counties'. Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 06:32 PM (X6akg) ****** Oh that is pissing me off. The largest air base in the free world- Eglin AFB-"cracker counties". Those counties are also home to Pensacola NAS. Hurlburt Field, Tyndall AFB.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:34 PM (r2PLg)

39 26 Could be they're releasing exit polls to try to influence the vote in the panhandle. If I remember right, isn't there a time zone difference in the more conservative panhandle or whatever they call it? Attempting to disillusion the pro-Newt people living out there. Maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: JellyToast at January 31, 2012 06:32 PM (KMpJH)


We got any Fla panhandle Morons here who can answer this? I thought Florida changed it so the panhandle polls closed at the same time as the rest of the state after 2000.

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 01:35 PM (KI/Ch)

40

What doesn't help Gingrich's case:

GALLUP/USAT Swing States:

Romney 48% Obama 47%

Obama 50% Paul 43%

Obama 51% Santorum 44%

Obama 54% Gingrich 41%

You can repeatedly ignore the numbers but outside of the Republican base, nobody likes Gingrich. Santorum has more appeal than Newt.

Romney's problem of course is that his "base" is the squishy middle. He may poll great right now, but if they decide they just can't quit Obama, Romney's entire support structure collapses.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 01:35 PM (gULDe)

41 My poling place here in Central Florida was a ghost town today at noon. I was in and out in under 4 mins. One Romney sign, one Ginrich sign out front - no others.

Heck there were more people around, and more signs, during the municpal elections last November.

Posted by: Mike in CFL at January 31, 2012 01:35 PM (motsG)

42 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2012 06:33 PM (d0Tfm)
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Thanks, that means panhandle is at 8 as I thought.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 01:35 PM (YdQQY)

43 #1 best candidate ever sock-off

Posted by: mugiwara at January 31, 2012 01:35 PM (KI/Ch)

44 You know what Newt should have done when his numbers went down in Florida? quit campaigning  like Santorum and Paul did, and just leave Romney to an empty win...

Posted by: ziggyelman at January 31, 2012 01:35 PM (AFxgl)

45 "Depressing the Vote in the Panhandle" seems like a well-known strategy. Why would anyone in the Panhandle fall for it, then?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 31, 2012 01:36 PM (723y0)

46 Watch these veins pop in my hands and forearms!  Like a virgin ... touched for the very first time ...  la la la

Posted by: Madonna at January 31, 2012 01:36 PM (4q5tP)

47 Gawd you are depressing CAC.

Posted by: mpfs at January 31, 2012 01:36 PM (iYbLN)

48 Well it looks like Willard wins FL, but can he win MA in a general? We may be looking at our very own Al Gore come November. Good thing that nasty Sarah and all those filthy TEA Partiers are not going to soil RINO royalty for the nomination. I know Rachel Maddow is relieved.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at January 31, 2012 01:36 PM (ursbV)

49 We got any Fla panhandle Morons here who can answer this? I thought Florida changed it so the panhandle polls closed at the same time as the rest of the state after 2000.
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F&F early this morning said they were an hour behind in the panhandle. .

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 01:36 PM (YdQQY)

50

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 06:35 PM (gULDe)

RINO! you're in the pocket of Mitt!/sarc

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Serves Lord Romney On The Dark Side at January 31, 2012 01:37 PM (US/0E)

51

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 06:32 PM (YdQQY)

 

Any teeth in that?

 

I'd be happy to see Holder's sorry ass tased in the process, just wishing here.

Posted by: ErikW at January 31, 2012 01:37 PM (7UaNB)

52 The Romney camp disclosed that Mitten's operating system was updated to version 4.2.1 just in time for his victory speech tonight.  Expect to see an amazing vocal simulation and fairly natural gestures and movements.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 31, 2012 01:37 PM (QKKT0)

53 Old hotness - Newt is the best debater!

New hotness - The audience should allowed to cheer...oh wait...Mitt packed the audience with his people...and...uh...Mitt's too big a liar to for Newt to debate effectively...and...er....

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 01:37 PM (7/Cwy)

54 I know Rachel Maddow is relieved.

Rachel? I thought his name was Rick?

Posted by: Samuel Adams at January 31, 2012 01:37 PM (yGl9Q)

55 Polls close in the Panhandle at 8 eastern.

Posted by: Xander Crews at January 31, 2012 01:38 PM (bzur9)

56 The last Fla vote that I cast was in a Wet T-shirt Contest.


Back when the whole process was meaningful and my vote actually counted for something.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 31, 2012 01:38 PM (ZJCDy)

57 I can't believe all of this attention for a state that won't even be around by the end of the century.

Posted by: the Sea Level at January 31, 2012 01:38 PM (j+Izh)

58 It will be all over if Muttonchops wins FL because he has nothing but blue states left before ST.

Think of it as a month's worth of New Hampshire's.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 01:38 PM (YdQQY)

59 More interesting will be the NEXT state to vote. This is the first time the not-Romney vote has been this low and I think it might just be an anomaly. This is the cardiac-defib primary.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 31, 2012 06:35 PM (phlKA)

The next state is Nevada.

the not-Romney vote could be one swollen behemoaningeth and Romney will carry that. The long-haul strategy for the not-Mitt crowd is March 6th. It is the best chance the remaining not-Mitt has of catching up to him delegate wise.

 

Frankly, if the GOP were smart it would spawn a primary as such:

Ohio, North Carolina, Missouri, Nebraska January 3rd (all the same day)

Then two states from the south, west, midwest, north east; then rotate backwards again, lather rinse repeat.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 01:39 PM (gULDe)

60

I'll just call this the Florida Results Thread.

 

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I think that's from a class in Harvard:  Random Titling 101.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 01:39 PM (7uUng)

61 Wonder who the folks in Key West pulled the lever for? 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 31, 2012 01:39 PM (Ec6wH)

62 Frankly, if the GOP were smart it would spawn a primary as such:
Ohio, North Carolina, Missouri, Nebraska January 3rd (all the same day)
Then two states from the south, west, midwest, north east; then rotate backwards again, lather rinse repeat. Posted by: CAC


That's the problem, they aren't very smart.

Posted by: mpfs at January 31, 2012 01:39 PM (iYbLN)

63 Santorum/Newt, come 8 Feb if you both don't have 4/5 of the additional states between you, one of you has to go.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 01:40 PM (0q2P7)

64 Thing is I tried to see if Newt would campaign in the Panhandle and the only action I saw was Mitt with McCain at Pensacola NAS. It use to be that a candidate would also get Bud Day's endorsement....

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:40 PM (r2PLg)

65 Please sing America the Beautiful again, Mitt!

Please?

It is so Mormony!

Posted by: Clarence at January 31, 2012 01:40 PM (z0HdK)

66

The last Fla vote that I cast was in a Wet T-shirt Contest.

Those were the days, my friend.  Those. Were. The. Days.

Posted by: The Button, Ft. Lauderdale, circa 1981 at January 31, 2012 01:40 PM (4q5tP)

67 38. To me, "cracker" is far from an insult. Cracker is the real FL, as opposed to retired Yankees overrunning other places, the grossness of Disney, etc.

Though I always called the Panhandle "L.A."

Posted by: Cathy at January 31, 2012 01:40 PM (yySDN)

68 My poling place here in Central Florida was a ghost town today at noon. I was in and out in under 4 mins. One Romney sign, one Ginrich sign out front - no others

Same here at 3. I was the only voter there at the time. No signs either, but it was in a church, don't know if that means anything.
It sounds like it's Mittens down here, despite my best effort to piss off a liberal.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2012 01:40 PM (d0Tfm)

69 Frankly, if the GOP were smart




That's as far as I got

Posted by: mama winger at January 31, 2012 01:40 PM (P6QsQ)

70 "SMOD wasn't on the ballot?"

SMOD doesn't need to be on any silly ballot to win.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 31, 2012 01:40 PM (m9V7b)

71 Wonder who the folks in Key West pulled the lever for? ******* Key West is home to Key West NAS and JIATFE.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:40 PM (r2PLg)

72 Thing is I tried to see if Newt would campaign in the Panhandle and the only action I saw was Mitt with McCain at Pensacola NAS.

Maybe that wasn't such a great association to put into the heads of primary voters.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 31, 2012 01:41 PM (QKKT0)

73 Any teeth in that?

I'd be happy to see Holder's sorry ass tased in the process, just wishing here.
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He's threatened before and done nothing so I doubt it.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 01:41 PM (YdQQY)

74 59 It will be all over if Muttonchops wins FL because he has nothing but blue states left before ST.

th
en nothing but Res Southern states that don't like Romney

Posted by: ziggyelman at January 31, 2012 01:41 PM (AFxgl)

75

A truly purple state, a state becoming purple (away from R like NC), a state becoming purple (away from Ds like Missouri), a solid R state.

The bluer the states are based on the previous 2 elections PVI, the later in the year it gets a primary.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 01:41 PM (gULDe)

76 Clearly, Florida voters approve of Holocaust Survivors being fed non-kosher Romney-burgers. 

Posted by: Kaisersoze at January 31, 2012 01:41 PM (NDZar)

77

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 06:32 PM (gULDe)

 

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Thanks CAC.  By this schedule, a lot could happen between now and spring.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 01:41 PM (7uUng)

78 Cathy Ya but it's MSNBC using the term- "cracker counties".

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:42 PM (r2PLg)

79 Allen West leaving his district in Florida.

Going to try out the 18th district now.

Posted by: Clarence at January 31, 2012 01:42 PM (z0HdK)

80 CAC You better be right about PA...damn it.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:42 PM (r2PLg)

81 Dammit to hell I'm sick and tired of these RINO twerps pissing all over my parade.  What Michelle Malkin said.  Look, chumps, I wouldn't know what I was talking about if my life depended on it, and if you tried explaining political realities to me I'd go catatonic on the spot, but none of that matters anymore.  What Sarah Palin said.  I'll not rest until the RINO GOP RINO establishment is torn to little bits and pieces and buried alive.  Nobody in my family will ever support a RINO.  Besides, since when does Florida have anything to do with national politics, eh, Cochise?  When the Sarah endorsed the Newt my prostate exploded with glee (but not in the gay sense) and I damn near capsized in joy.  What Rush Limbaugh said.  I'll be voting for the Newt come hell or highballs.  General Gingrich will impeach Obama by debating him to the death.  St. Callista will charm the pants off the electorate.  The Newt will throw us red meat until we're raw with stupidity.  When the Newt gets reelected to the governorship he'll install true and pure conservatives as the czars of bravo sierra.  The Newt worked with Reagan, didn't you know?  Most importantly we'll finally be winning, instead of losing slower.  What Erik Erickson said.  Gingrich-Cain, '12.  Palin-Angle-O'Donnell, '16.

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at January 31, 2012 01:42 PM (f8XyF)

82 Oh, in that case you are correct, sir/madame.
Because I freaking hate those bastards.

Posted by: Cathy at January 31, 2012 01:43 PM (yySDN)

83 I'll just call this the Florida Results Thread. That's code for "last thread before the ONT" in 4 hrs.

Posted by: the Sea Level at January 31, 2012 01:43 PM (j+Izh)

84 How long before swearing is forbidden at HQ?

Posted by: runninrebel at January 31, 2012 01:43 PM (N/1Dm)

85 Scatianapolis Telegrapher: Daryl Issa refuses going halfsies on watermelon-cola Mega Gulp DC 7-Eleven

Welp, there goes the Fast and Furious investigation ...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 31, 2012 01:43 PM (+Jr2Z)

86 Please sing America the Beautiful again, Mitt!

Please?

It is so Mormony!

Posted by: Clarence at January 31, 2012 06:40 PM (z0HdK)


Clarence, it's amazing; Really truly amazing. You are capable of doing what Mitt Romney has shown he absolutely cannot do. Convince me to vote for Mitt Romney.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 01:43 PM (0q2P7)

87 If Mitt even comes close to an outright majority of votes in Florida, the rest of them really should get out. Time to focus on evicting Barry...

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 01:43 PM (7/Cwy)

88 Tasker, one wonders if they know the origins of the term and are secretly implying "redneck/racist/etc."

Posted by: Cathy at January 31, 2012 01:44 PM (yySDN)

89 Is there really, really not 3% of the stoopid 52% that would vote again for the stoopid over Newt.  Really, really?

Posted by: dogfish at January 31, 2012 01:44 PM (N2yhW)

90 SMOD doesn't need to be on any silly ballot to win.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 31, 2012 06:40 PM (m9V7b)

 

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SMOD not give.  SMOD take!

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 01:45 PM (7uUng)

91 Going to try out the 18th district now.

So he's available for veep then?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 01:45 PM (0q2P7)

92

How long before swearing is forbidden at HQ?


 

Posted by: runninrebel at January 31, 2012 06:43 PM (N/1Dm)

 

That's been tried a few times.

Posted by: ErikW at January 31, 2012 01:45 PM (7UaNB)

93 RINO! you're in the pocket of Mitt!/sarc

Posted by: AuthorLMendez Serves Lord Romney On The Dark Side at January 31, 2012 06:37 PM (US/0E)

You want to know why I haven't used John to make new maps up?

Because the Gingrich map will result in me being tarred and feathered. It isn't pretty. Perry and even Cain actually had stronger footings before their respective falls from grace (Perry actually at near-parity with performance against Obama compared to Romney, Cain only 2 behind that). Gingrich's numbers away from his base are 1964-level hideous.

 

Romney appears better because he's so moderate, but when people have the choice of X or X lite, often they will stick with the original. If he fails to get a serious bounce after wrapping up the primary, then we know he's a total dud a la McCain in 2008.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 01:45 PM (gULDe)

94

OT:

Houston PD says it can't tell if the idjits making a campground in downtown's Tranquility Park are Occupiers or garden variety homeless hobos.

 

Natural camouflage.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 31, 2012 01:46 PM (4q5tP)

95 Tasker, one wonders if they know the origins of the term and are secretly implying "redneck/racist/etc." ******* It's MSNBC so the latter. Remember when they could not comprehend Democrats that voted Republican in the general from that area? Two word response for that: Zell Miller. (you bastard spinners at MSNBC)

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:46 PM (r2PLg)

96 89 If Mitt even comes close to an outright majority of votes in Florida, the rest of them really should get out. Time to focus on evicting Barry...

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 06:43 PM (7/Cwy)


Nahhhhh.  That's not really how we do things around here. 



Posted by: The Stupid Party at January 31, 2012 01:46 PM (NDZar)

97 I hope the SMOD lands on my house.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 01:46 PM (7W3wI)

98 How long before swearing is forbidden at HQ?

Posted by: runninrebel at January 31, 2012 06:43 PM (N/1Dm)

Only during the Pledge Drives.  If we don't donate, we become suckers of cock/nozzles of douche. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 31, 2012 01:47 PM (Ec6wH)

99 If Mitt even comes close to an outright majority of votes in Florida, the rest of them really should get out.


Oh please.  How many states  to make a king? 4 out of 57?  And hey look! You don't even have to win all 4!

Posted by: mama winger at January 31, 2012 01:47 PM (P6QsQ)

100

Don't count me out in America's wang!  I was a game changer in 2000!

Posted by: Pat Buchanan at January 31, 2012 01:48 PM (FsqHK)

101 Tami Are you sure it's not "cracka" counties?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2012 01:48 PM (CT5RB)

102 Tasker, one wonders if they know the origins of the term and are secretly implying "redneck/racist/etc."

You know full well they don't haven't the foggiest idea where that term originated. The MFM thinks they're slyling calling us bigots, much the same way they call us "teabaggers." Arrogant condescending assholes that they are.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2012 01:48 PM (d0Tfm)

103 We need to beat Obama or we need the SMOD.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 01:49 PM (7W3wI)

104 I am now officially at the meh/whatever stage in this clusterf*ck of a GOP primary.

Posted by: observer at January 31, 2012 01:50 PM (ErWzr)

105 One week ago when Noot was ahead: "Florida is just some jerkwater state, not relevant. Today: Florida is the LAST state Mitt needs to wrap this up!!!

Posted by: Space of Ades commenter at January 31, 2012 01:50 PM (Gc/Qi)

106

@27: "Issa threatening Holder with contempt again."

 

Allow me to respond, briefly. 

*ahem*

Sir, with all due respect:

*waves dick at Issa*

Always bet on black, bitch.

Posted by: Eric Holder at January 31, 2012 01:50 PM (FsqHK)

107 If Mitt even comes close to an outright majority of votes in Florida,
the rest of them really should get out. Time to focus on evicting
Barry...


And then some fuckwad like yourself suggests that 4 states should get a say in who we nominate and the rest of us can go F* ourselves, and I remember why I hate Romney with the heat of 1000 suns.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 01:50 PM (0q2P7)

108 BackwardsBoy I hear ya. The Liberal MSM is this countries hugest problem. I use to think we could get around them. I think I'm giving up on that idea.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:51 PM (r2PLg)

109 ^country's^ hugest problem.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:51 PM (r2PLg)

110 Are you sure it's not "cracka" counties?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2012 06:48 PM (CT5RB)



Ha!  That's what he meant.

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 01:51 PM (X6akg)

111 There is an actual, fairly vibrant backlash against the Romney Machine. It's going to take a long time to see what comes of it.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 31, 2012 01:51 PM (N/1Dm)

112 I hope the SMOD lands on my house.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 06:46 PM (7W3wI)


Not me, I want to want to see the fireworks from a lawn chair followed shortly by the blast wave.  Sweet, sweet blast wave.

Posted by: dogfish at January 31, 2012 01:52 PM (N2yhW)

113

Hey Newt:

 

Bye bye, dickhead.

 

 

Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at January 31, 2012 01:52 PM (Q4jrq)

114 brb. Gonna rig up a giant magnet on the roof of my house to draw in SMOD for a direct hit.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 31, 2012 01:52 PM (4q5tP)

115

I hope the SMOD lands on my house.

 

 

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 06:46 PM (7W3wI)

 

I hope it lands on the other side of town so I can salvage all the cool shit on this side and turn my rig into a badass Mad Max machine! Fuck yeah!

Posted by: ErikW at January 31, 2012 01:52 PM (7UaNB)

116

So when they make the porno movie about Mitt Romney, what'll they call it?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 31, 2012 01:52 PM (Ec6wH)

117 Derptown Racing Report: Rep. Alan West does not order 2nd bread basket at Tallahassee Olive Garden

Welp, time to test out this noose here...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 31, 2012 01:52 PM (+Jr2Z)

118 Not me, I want to want to see the fireworks from a lawn chair followed shortly by the blast wave. Sweet, sweet blast wave.

Posted by: dogfish at January 31, 2012 06:52 PM (N2yhW)

Yeah, but Newt will have the best view from his moonbase.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 01:53 PM (gULDe)

119 To those that think everyone should get out and let Romney start going after zero...you all realize MANY people can't stand Romney, right???

Posted by: ziggyelman at January 31, 2012 01:53 PM (AFxgl)

120 101

Yes, by all means, let's go through another three or four months of watching hopeless, bitter, unelectable Newt smear the eventual Republican nominee as a "vulture capitalist" who is the "biggest liar ever"....that's not shooting ourselves in the foot or anything...

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 01:53 PM (7/Cwy)

121

@38: "Oh that is pissing me off.

The largest air base in the free world-

Eglin AFB-"cracker counties".

Those counties are also home to Pensacola NAS. Hurlburt Field, Tyndall AFB."

 

 

Not to mention half the episodes of "Cops" and "Cheaters" ever filmed.

Posted by: Florida at January 31, 2012 01:53 PM (FsqHK)

122 I hear ya. The Liberal MSM is this countries hugest problem. I use to think we could get around them.

I think I'm giving up on that idea.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 06:51 PM (r2PLg)

 

---------------------------------

 

There's going to come a day when the MFM stranglehold will abruptly end.

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 01:54 PM (7uUng)

123 1 SMOD wasn't on the ballot? Disappointing. -------------------------- Oh he'll be there in the end. Trust me.

Posted by: Helpful Pundit at January 31, 2012 01:54 PM (nMROO)

124 120 So when they make the porno movie about Mitt Romney, what'll they call it?




In Deep Mitt: Up Mitt Creek

Posted by: Mongoose- WWIII/SuperFlu 2012 at January 31, 2012 01:54 PM (KM86p)

125 Tracking polls are telling us: 49% Florida voters favor Mitt's 69 point plan for fixing the toilet. 62% think Noot is fat. 39% want to eat Mitt's poo. The polls, they don't lie.

Posted by: Space of Ades commenter at January 31, 2012 01:54 PM (Gc/Qi)

126 ""and I remember why I hate Romney with the heat of 1000 suns.""



yeah no shit, I'm tired of rewarding fucksticks that talk like dems, come up with dem crap, and vote for dem crap by letting them run as conservatives. We tried this shit before, you would think we would fucking learn.

Posted by: Berserker at January 31, 2012 01:54 PM (FMbng)

127 Well I had to go look This is wikipedia on the term "cracker". The start: Etymology One theory is that slaver foremen in the antebellum South used bullwhips to discipline African slaves, with such use of the whip being described as 'cracking the whip'. The white foremen who cracked these whips were thus known as 'crackers'. [2] [3] [4] See? You can't win.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:54 PM (r2PLg)

128 Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 06:53 PM (7/Cwy)


Sounds like a plan to me.

Posted by: runninrebel at January 31, 2012 01:54 PM (N/1Dm)

129 120 So when they make the porno movie about Mitt Romney, what'll they call it? Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 31, 2012 06:52 PM (Ec6wH) The Real housewives of Mitt Romney

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 31, 2012 01:55 PM (j+Izh)

130 The thing is, if you cast Meteor some punk kids with pure hearts and attitutde(and hair spray and too many zippers) will come along and cast Holy and that fucks your evil plan shit all up.

Posted by: cackfinger at January 31, 2012 01:55 PM (a9mQu)

131 SMOD 2012.

It's Always Brightest Before The Extinction Event.

Posted by: filbert at January 31, 2012 01:55 PM (smvTK)

132 130 ""and I remember why I hate Romney with the heat of 1000 suns."" Wait. I thought Mitt Haters hate to be called socialists Mitt Haters?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 01:56 PM (niZvt)

133 There's going to come a day when the MFM stranglehold will abruptly end. Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 06:54 PM (7uUng) ******** Hey! I think I'm on Team SMOD. Thanks for the 'gallows humor" at least we have that.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 01:56 PM (r2PLg)

134 Hmmm... I thought the strikeout html tags still worked?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 01:56 PM (niZvt)

135
2008 Florida Primary Results

McCain -- 36%
Romney -- 31.03%
Giuliani -- 14.68%
Huckabee -- 13.47%
Paul  -- 3.23%




Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 31, 2012 01:56 PM (3wBRE)

136 I think I'm giving up on that idea. Yeah, me too. Although I still can't see how they're still relevant, other than the fact that they still manage a presence what with their viewership and readership down as much as it is. They're just propping themselves up by circulating stories by other "journolists" as news in and of itself. And when they finally run out of money, there's always Uncle George Soros' wallet to latch onto. Eventually though, he'll finally die and then we might actually get rid of the Progressive Pravda, but I doubt I'll live long enough to see it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2012 01:56 PM (d0Tfm)

137 I hate Obama far more than I hate Mitt Romney.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 01:57 PM (7W3wI)

138 I'm going to be interested in a vote by timeslice ratio.

Posted by: Jean at January 31, 2012 01:57 PM (liPvR)

139 Packsoldier .  You've convinced me.  Debate should be silenced.  Kings should be crowned.  Actual voters should just STFU, lay back and think of England.

What are you? Yurpeean?

Posted by: mama winger at January 31, 2012 01:57 PM (P6QsQ)

140 61 New hotness: Mitt wins Florida, the race is over. Shut up and get in line!

Mitt wins with half the delegate count the state would ordinarily have. So it's like half a victory. What does that give him now? Half of FL and all (big deal) of NH.

One and one-half states! That's invincible baby!

Romney is ten points ahead of Newt in the head to head matchup with Obama. 

Posted by: Every Poll Ever Taken at January 31, 2012 01:57 PM (NDZar)

141 110 Then come November sit at home with your thumb up your ass and be damned.

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 01:57 PM (7/Cwy)

142 Will there be any hanging chads this time around?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 01:58 PM (oZfic)

143 Do I got to aim this magnet thing, or just point it straight up?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 31, 2012 01:58 PM (4q5tP)

144 My dad used to call Georgians "corn crackers".

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 31, 2012 01:58 PM (j+Izh)

145

So when they make the porno movie about Mitt Romney, what'll they call it?

 

"Magic Underwear"

 

Duh.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 31, 2012 01:58 PM (0xqzf)

146 135 - No no, Drudge has been METAPHORICALLY nailing Newt. Mitt? Eh, not so metaphorically.

Posted by: Space of Ades commenter at January 31, 2012 01:59 PM (Gc/Qi)

147 So when they make the porno movie about Mitt Romney, what'll they call it?




In Deep Mitt: Up Mitt Creek

Posted by: Mongoose- WWIII/SuperFlu 2012 at January 31, 2012 06:54 PM (KM86p)

 

--------------------------------

 

Catcher's Mitt

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 02:00 PM (7uUng)

148

Hmmm... I thought the strikeout html tags still worked?



Guess not

Posted by: fluffy at January 31, 2012 02:00 PM (O6q63)

149 Brit Hume on Fox sounds all Team Newt.

Bring me some sweet, sweet meteor death.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 02:00 PM (UOM48)

150 27 Issa threatening Holder with contempt again.

http://is.gd/EMj7lL

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 06:32 PM (YdQQY)

More than that, Vic. Previously, Issa mentioned contempt verbally. This time it is a 4-page DEMAND letter. Including a respond-by date. Issa has thrown it down to SCOAMT Jr.

Posted by: Ducatisti at January 31, 2012 02:00 PM (KYE7u)

151

Drudge is saying it's another instant announcement night. Yawn. If Romney gets 50%, that's something.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 31, 2012 02:00 PM (HethX)

152 So if we take Paul and Santorum out of the picture, Gingrich wins with 51%.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at January 31, 2012 02:00 PM (NNrYJ)

153 If Romney wins it will be time to congratulate the Democrats. They will have already won the election. We either get the moderate Democrat or the SCOAMF.

Posted by: Meremortal, not fapping at January 31, 2012 02:00 PM (Usk3+)

154

270 Electoral Votes....and 12 Inches. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 31, 2012 02:01 PM (Ec6wH)

155 So if we take Paul and Santorum out of the picture, Gingrich wins with 51%.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at January 31, 2012 07:00 PM (NNrYJ)

And if you took Perot out of the picture, Dole and Bush easily stomped Clinton.

 

Doesn't work that way.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 02:01 PM (gULDe)

156 A win for Mitt? Can't be. I saw a picture on the interwebs of Mitt Romney putting a Manatee in an OVEN. An OVEN! Do you people not get the hidden meaning in that!

Posted by: Oy Vey at January 31, 2012 02:01 PM (vqCPH)

157 Eventually though, he'll finally die and then we might actually get rid of the Progressive Pravda, but I doubt I'll live long enough to see it. Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2012 06:56 PM (d0Tfm) ***** It's bad isn't it? I always thought they would lose-- credibility---hasn't happened for 52% of us or more even. I'm off to go kick my own ass on the treadmill. Following a GOP primary too closely is bad for your health.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2012 02:02 PM (r2PLg)

158 Goodenfuct Gazette: Gov. Jindal leaves pastille mints on eatery table uneaten.

Welp, we probably should vote for Obama then if that's how the GOP is going to treat food...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 31, 2012 02:02 PM (+Jr2Z)

159

Hey, whatever happened to the "conventional wisdom" that "whoever wins the South Carolina primary wins the Republican nomination"?

 

Or am I misremembering that little canard?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 31, 2012 02:02 PM (0xqzf)

160 "Then come November sit at home with your thumb up your ass and be damned." Posted by: packsoldier Why should November be any different from any other month?

Posted by: touchdown Dance Rodgers at January 31, 2012 02:02 PM (Gc/Qi)

161 You know who isn't afraid tonight?

George Soros

Posted by: runninrebel at January 31, 2012 02:03 PM (N/1Dm)

162 Yes, by all means, let's go through another three or four months of watching hopeless, bitter, unelectable Newt smear the eventual Republican nominee as a "vulture capitalist" who is the "biggest liar ever"....that's not shooting ourselves in the foot or anything...
Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 06:53 PM (7/Cwy)

I dunno...I kink of like watching people like you show up to suck some of that sweet Romney Cock on threads like this...

Posted by: Portnoy at January 31, 2012 02:03 PM (iJOPo)

163 Me' I'm re-watching Babylon 5, from the beginning.  And then, I'll start on my complete set of Stargate SG-1.  Then Farscape.  Working my way back to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, maybe . . . with a few choice episodes of MST3K thrown in there for variety.

Until SMOD and/or other disaster kills the power.  Still thinking about that solar panel array, but I'd need to get a big enough one to run my big-screen TV AND the DVD player.

We are so screwed.

Posted by: filbert at January 31, 2012 02:03 PM (smvTK)

164 See? You can't win.

No mention of horses or wagons, huh? But then the PETA idiots would write something bad. Never mind.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2012 02:04 PM (d0Tfm)

165 The first stage of the Mad Max project will be run-flat tires, dual flamethrowers mounted on the front fenders and a sick looking brush bar with spikes and shit.

Posted by: ErikW at January 31, 2012 02:04 PM (7UaNB)

166 Why do I feel like the GOP is feeding me non-kosher shit and expecting me to eat it?

Posted by: USA at January 31, 2012 02:05 PM (6Cjut)

167 I hate Obama far more than I hate Mitt Romney.

This speaks volumes...for me as well.  I don't like Romney's politics, but I don't hate the guy.  Deep, straight to the soul hate that have to admit to feeling for President SCOAMF.

Mittens' win in FL isn't surprising.  I'm resigned to pretty much knowing he's it.  He's our knight in dull armor, riding in on his diarrhea-colored horse. 

Mitt 2012 - "Uninspiring Moderate is Kewl"

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at January 31, 2012 02:05 PM (F+Xfj)

168

20  Old and busted: Newt won South Carolina but the race is still wide open.

.

New hotness: Mitt wins Florida, the race is over. Shut up and get in line!

.

Yep. .....That's what they've been saying all day, even before the votes have been counted.

.

I think that Team Mittens is really underestimating the resentment that they are inspiring in a lot of people.

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2012 02:05 PM (UOOK1)

169 ""Me' I'm re-watching Babylon 5, from the beginning.""



I just did that few months ago. That show was frigging great.

Posted by: Berserker at January 31, 2012 02:05 PM (FMbng)

170 158 So if we take Paul and Santorum out of the picture, Gingrich wins with 51%.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at January 31, 2012 07:00 PM (NNrYJ)?//////////////// That's assuming alot. Paulbots are loyal only to Luap Nor. There's very little if any crossover from that pack of whack jobs. Santorum is mostly known for being a social conservative. You think SoCons are going to go for Mr. Baggage Gingrich? Perhaps some because Mitt's a mormon but I highly doubt that most in the Santorum camp would go over to Newt. Romney would be more likely to get his supporters than Noot.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2012 02:06 PM (vqCPH)

171 If I didn't know that Drudge was going to be in our corner for the next 4 years.... I would be done with him.

Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:06 PM (RfvTE)

172 Wait. I thought Mitt Haters hate to be called socialists Mitt Haters?

Well there are at least some of us willing to be honest. I don't think he has the courage to do anything meaningful to actually avert DOOM, and I hate the fact he is supposedly, according to my party leadership, the best possible option in all of the US to serve as President. Really? He's the best you f*ing snobs could come up with? The also ran from last time who lost to McCain? Who instituted the mandate in HIS OWN STATE? He's the BEST dude we can pin the name Republican on and run for President? No F* him F* you, get me someone better.

At this point I'm rooting for
1. The establishment learns a little lesson.
2. We get a brokered convention.
3. A sane choice is presented.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 02:06 PM (0q2P7)

173 How exactly do boobies figure in this thread, anyway? And I ask that with love...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 02:06 PM (niZvt)

174 You Newties only have 54 minutes left before SMOD smotes you all. 

Posted by: Romney's Hair at January 31, 2012 02:07 PM (NDZar)

175

@126: "There's going to come a day when the MFM stranglehold will abruptly end."

 

Yeah, when the glorious forces of virtue triumph and the godless communist usurpers are cast down, and America embraces its true destiny as a vassal state of the Ummah.

Posted by: Islam at January 31, 2012 02:07 PM (FsqHK)

176 OK, that's it for me for a while. Gotta go learn how to Love the Pineapple.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2012 02:07 PM (d0Tfm)

177 I would be more lenient on Romney if I thought in anyway he is going to be as aggressive with Obama as he has been on the republican field.

Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:08 PM (RfvTE)

178 And if you took Perot out of the picture, Dole and Bush easily stomped Clinton.

Doesn't work that way.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2012 07:01 PM (gULDe)

Ah but Perot was in the general election in 1992, not just the primaries as we have here.  He was on the general ballot in all 50 states then and got over 18.9% of the popular vote, approximately 19,741,065 votes .  In 1996 he still pulled in over 8% of the general vote.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at January 31, 2012 02:08 PM (NNrYJ)

179 Mitt 2012 - "Uninspiring Moderate is Kewl"

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at January 31, 2012 07:05 PM (F+Xfj)

Totally agree...Much like the PaulTards..I can't stand the slobbering zipperheads that show up to give Captain Perfect Hair a tongue bath in every one of these threads...

Posted by: Portnoy at January 31, 2012 02:08 PM (iJOPo)

180 I heard the Florida primary is winner-take-all, but sheesh, aren't there like 46 states that haven't even voted yet? How is that fair?

Posted by: Mel Content at January 31, 2012 02:08 PM (Gc/Qi)

181 Pat Buchanan out to a surprise lead.

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2012 02:08 PM (MMC8r)

182 183
@126: "There's going to come a day when the MFM stranglehold will abruptly end."

Yeah, when the glorious forces of virtue triumph and the godless communist usurpers are cast down, and America embraces its true destiny as a vassal state of the Ummah.

Posted by: Islam at January 31, 2012 07:07 PM (FsqHK)

You know, I read this too fast the first time and parsed the last word in this post as "Utah." 

Posted by: filbert at January 31, 2012 02:09 PM (smvTK)

183 I'm so sick of this whole dog and pony show I could die.

I don't like any of them.  But I'll crawl through a burning oil slick to vote for ABO.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 02:09 PM (UOM48)

184 153 So when they make the porno movie about Mitt Romney, what'll they call it?In Deep Mitt: Up Mitt Creek
Posted by: Mongoose- WWIII/SuperFlu 2012 at January 31, 2012 06:54 PM (KM86p)

--------------------------------

Catcher's Mitt

--------------------------------

RINO Rimjobs

Willard's Wang: Starring Jen Rubin

Posted by: Mongoose- WWIII/SuperFlu 2012 at January 31, 2012 02:09 PM (KM86p)

185 @185: well come on, agree with him or not, but don't you think Romney's shown the ability to go all Genghis Khan to win?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 02:09 PM (niZvt)

186 Newt is now large enough that as long as he shows decent in Florida and Santorum drops out soon he wont have a problem funding a much longer fight.


Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:10 PM (RfvTE)

187 Ooooh!  Sheppy reporting that a certain Attorney General is going to be held in contempt of Congress!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 02:10 PM (UOM48)

188 Mitt is the nominee.  We all know it.  Rant and wail all you want, but he is going to be the guy.  I wish it could have been Cristy, but the big guy didn't run.  I wish it could have been Perry, but we all know what happened there.

And who is to blame here?  The guys we really wanted didn't run.  Perry had surgeries and a bad showing on TV.  Be as pissed off as you want about it, but we have what we have.

so..yeah...Romney 2012:  Shit happens, and we have to vote for it.

Posted by: MrShad at January 31, 2012 02:10 PM (Xqfwb)

189 I heard the Florida primary is winner-take-all, but sheesh, aren't there like 46 states that haven't even voted yet? How is that fair?


So they've already voted in 11 states?

Posted by: Barry O at January 31, 2012 02:10 PM (HtUdo)

190 1. You can't win, you can only break even. 2. You can only break even at absolute zero. 3. You can never reach absolute zero.

Posted by: 3 Laws of Thermodynamics at January 31, 2012 02:10 PM (j+Izh)

191 I am so queer.

Posted by: Clarrence at January 31, 2012 02:11 PM (yGl9Q)

192 I voted right after lunch for Newt. But in november I probably wont vote right after eating something.

Posted by: DNC at January 31, 2012 02:11 PM (1ZoqB)

193 Hey, whatever happened to the "conventional wisdom" that "whoever wins the South Carolina primary wins the Republican nomination"?

Or am I misremembering that little canard?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 31, 2012 07:02 PM (0xqzf)

 

-----------------------------

 

The canard has changed.  Canards are like that.  Fickle as hell. 

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 02:11 PM (7uUng)

194 I keep saying Obama swept big early on, Hillary came in I think third in Iowa.  By the end Hillary came within a hair of technically having enough votes to pass Obama.  The longer the primary went on the stronger Hillary grew and the weaker Obama became.

Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:11 PM (RfvTE)

195 Go away DNC sock!

Posted by: Elize Nayden at January 31, 2012 02:11 PM (1ZoqB)

196  How about those of us who just think Romney sucks less than the other guys running (and that the guys who might have been better on paper that did run -- and Pawlenty and Perry, that's you -- flamed out)?

Posted by: Dave R at January 31, 2012 02:12 PM (DDJfU)

197

Posted by: MrShad at January 31, 2012 07:10 PM (Xqfwb)


Not yet.  Not yet. 

Posted by: SarahW at January 31, 2012 02:12 PM (LYwCh)

198 I think it's weird all you people talking about crawling over this or that to vote for Mitt in November. I have a car, and then it's a short walk across the parking lot.

Posted by: Mel Content at January 31, 2012 02:12 PM (Gc/Qi)

199 Isn't Andy going to live blog this? Slacker.

Posted by: MJ at January 31, 2012 02:12 PM (/x4oj)

200 110 Then come November sit at home with your thumb up your ass and be damned.

No I'll make it a point to go to the polls. It may be the last free election we have. Just don't think your little team is owed a vote for having thumbed your nose at every sensibility and concern I have voiced.

I'll give you an example.
Deal Breaker #1 won't rebuke the mandate at the State Level. You think I want my State that far up my ass, and that's OK 'cause it ain't the feds, and hey, 10th amendment? F* you.

New requirement got it. Argument accepted. Past transgressions can be forgiven. Get on board with the new requirement or GTFO.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 02:14 PM (0q2P7)

201 So any of you really think a squish R,ala GW,is just as bad as reelecting Obama?

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:14 PM (7W3wI)

202 So Mitt's back to being inevitable?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 02:14 PM (uhAkr)

203

193 @185: well come on, agree with him or not, but don't you think Romney's shown the ability to go all Genghis Khan to win?

.

Only against the guys in his own party.....where some of the things that he will get hit with in the general are verbotten to even mention.

.

Remains to be seen, if he's got the balls to attack the JEF the way he's been attacking the people on the right. .....When has Romney ever gone gonzo and attacked Dems? So far, he acts like he's afraid to piss them off.

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2012 02:15 PM (UOOK1)

204 Florida Election Results
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/florida

Posted by: M80B at January 31, 2012 02:15 PM (d6QMz)

205 George Soros' wallet to latch onto. Eventually though, he'll finally die and then we might actually get rid of the Progressive Pravda, but I doubt I'll live long enough to see it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 31, 2012 06:56 PM (d0Tfm)

he has a son, made in his image.

Posted by: willow at January 31, 2012 02:15 PM (TomZ9)

206 So Mitt's back to being inevitable?


Just like death and the individual mandate.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 31, 2012 02:15 PM (HtUdo)

207 Waaah! I want to be able to call Romney and all of his followers socialist douchebags and I want them to take it. Otherwise I will harbor resentment and may decide to stay home. Now appease me!!!!

Posted by: Romney Hater at January 31, 2012 02:16 PM (QnnIk)

208 Since we're talking about Florida:

rollcall FL musical chairs: Allen West--> #FL18; Tom Rooney--> #FL17; Adam Hasner--> #FL22: http://t.co/G6Myxp2t

Posted by: M80B at January 31, 2012 02:16 PM (d6QMz)

209 Let's get out there, boys! This pig ain't gonna put lipstick on itself!

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 31, 2012 02:17 PM (j+Izh)

210

So Mitt's back to being inevitable?


Will that sell in November?

Posted by: fluffy at January 31, 2012 02:17 PM (O6q63)

211 "So any of you really think a squish R,ala GW,is just as bad as reelecting Obama?" No, I like GWB. But WMR? He's a commie. I won't vote for him.

Posted by: Mel Content at January 31, 2012 02:17 PM (Gc/Qi)

212 Erkel must be toasting champagne right about now. There is not enough space between Erkel and Romney on healthcare to slip one thin dime.

Posted by: USA at January 31, 2012 02:17 PM (6Cjut)

213 @: Looks like Romney won early voters, 52-25%

Posted by: M80B at January 31, 2012 02:17 PM (d6QMz)

214 So Mitt pours $15 million into the race and only wins by 13%.  With the contenders splitting most of the rest.

Yep.  He's "electable".

Posted by: gimley at January 31, 2012 02:17 PM (ubduJ)

215

long-haul strategy for the not-Mitt crowd is March 6th.

 

There is no long-haul strategy.  It isn't fair, but Florida was it.  With Romney smodding the opposition here, there is no realistic chance that someone else will take it, barring Romney dying of hairspray poisoning.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at January 31, 2012 02:18 PM (epBek)

216 So you rather Obama name 2 or 3 more SC justices ??

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:18 PM (7W3wI)

217 *John Hawkins article today was great

*I kept saying way back during Perry/Cain etc.. the Romney people that wanted to knock everyone out as ASAP.. I kept pointing out that Romney was probably going to win and you would need those same people you were mocking and running down.  Well now those bills are coming due.... was it worth it?  Cain/Bachmann etc.. were not going the distance.. it was obvious to anyone with a slightly objective half a brain.  There was no need to join the left in trying to bring them down.

*I was right

*try to learn from your past shortsighted dumbassery

Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:18 PM (RfvTE)

218
How about those of us who just think Romney sucks less than the other guys running
Posted by: Dave R





A perfectly legitimate response.

It's when people insist Mitt doesn't suck, or even worse, insist he's God's gift to the Republic, that people wig out.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 31, 2012 02:19 PM (3wBRE)

219 Second stage is a skid plate under the front end and steel floor grates welded to the upper frame to protect the Lucite windshield from large metal fragments.

Posted by: ErikW at January 31, 2012 02:19 PM (7UaNB)

220 215 Waaah! I want to be able to call Romney and all of his followers socialist douchebags and I want them to take it. Otherwise I will harbor resentment and may decide to stay home. Now appease me!!!!


You forgot a blatantly dishonest robocall that comes within a whisker of calling Romney a Nazi.

Posted by: Romney's Hair at January 31, 2012 02:19 PM (NDZar)

221 I never attacked any R candidate except Ron Paul.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:20 PM (7W3wI)

222

Don't forget in 1980, Anderson fucked Jimmah and gave us Ronnie!

My Mom voted for Anderson.  Wait a minute, that sounds like an insult. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 31, 2012 02:20 PM (Ec6wH)

223 The left isn't real bright either, but emotionally they can turn on a dime.  Todays enemy is tomorrows bestest friend and visa versa.   This side is less mentally and emotionally elastic... you have to be more careful about wronging people, you WILL need in the near future.

Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:20 PM (RfvTE)

224 Early Exit polling among Newt's former coworkers:

Romney 72%
Newt 17%
Santorum 11%

Posted by: Romney's Hair at January 31, 2012 02:21 PM (NDZar)

225 234 Eli Manning.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:21 PM (7W3wI)

226 This side is less mentally and emotionally elastic... you have to be more careful about wronging people, you WILL need in the near future.


What you're saying then is that we're consistent and have the courage of our convictions.

I'll take that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 31, 2012 02:22 PM (b7yGX)

227 Hillary is looking like a science fiction movie extra these days. What movie is she living?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 02:22 PM (niZvt)

228 HOT DAMN:  (link to Politico from Drudge)

House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) threatened Tuesday to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress if the Justice Department did not provide certain documents in response to the committee’s subpoena.

In a letter to Holder, Issa wrote that “this committee will have no alternative but to move forward with proceedings to hold you in contempt of Congress” if Holder and the DOJ didn’t produce documents they demanded relating to the Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 02:22 PM (UOM48)

229 jimgeraghty Wow. NRCC offers web site of for Obama's economic record: CareerDestroyer.com.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:23 PM (d6QMz)

230 215
Waaah! I want to be able to call Romney and all of his followers
socialist douchebags and I want them to take it. Otherwise I will
harbor resentment and may decide to stay home. Now appease me!!!!
***

Waah!  Waah!  You all hate Mormons!  Waaah!  You are going to make us lose the general election!  Waah! They took my Romney Ba-ba!

Posted by: Mittbots the night of SC at January 31, 2012 02:23 PM (uhAkr)

231 Romney doesn't suck . How many people did I just make wig out? Show of hands.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at January 31, 2012 02:23 PM (QnnIk)

232 Hillary is looking like a science fiction movie extra these days. What movie is she living?


The Arnold disguise in Total Recall?

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 31, 2012 02:23 PM (HtUdo)

233

Exit poll courtesy Nation Review Onlne:

Romney: 157%
Newt: -20%

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 31, 2012 02:23 PM (3wBRE)

234 239 Hillary is looking like a science fiction movie extra these days. What movie is she living?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 07:22 PM (niZvt)

Just saw the beast on Fox.  Wow, just wow!

Posted by: Ammo Dump at January 31, 2012 02:24 PM (WUWb9)

235 I'm enthusuastic about beating Obama,even if "our" guy is Mitt.You think Romney will continue destroying the military?Continue the obstruction of energy production?Continue a criminal DOJ?Put leftwing idealogues on the SC?

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:24 PM (7W3wI)

236 208

How many fucking times does Mitt Romney have to say that he's for a full repeal of Obamacare?

Let's say Newt by some farfetched chance pulls the nomination out of his ass? Do you think Obamacare will be repealed after Newt goes down in flames and drags GOP Senate and House candidates down with him?

We really are the Stupid Party.

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 02:24 PM (7/Cwy)

237 Just think, folks.  In fifty years we'll be looking back on this election cycle and laughing.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 02:24 PM (7uUng)

238 Otherwise I will harbor resentment and may decide to stay home. Now appease me!!!!

Or don't your call. But if want to keep defending stuff like "The government should be able to tell you to buy health insurance and what kind of insurance to buy" and hiding behind a feeble "but not at the federal level" I wonder what sort of stuff you believe the feds *CAN* do? It shows a ideological departure from the very basics of conservative principals. But I should get in line right? He's inevitable, got the nom wrapped up, and I just need to accept voting for him come November.

I'm not ready to do that.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 02:24 PM (0q2P7)

239 I was here four years ago, but I don't remember how it went down.

Were we all this pissed off about McCain?

Posted by: MrShad at January 31, 2012 02:25 PM (Xqfwb)

240 10% reporting-

Romney-51%
Newt-28%
Santorum-12%
Paul-7%

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:25 PM (d6QMz)

241 No flaming cornbrero yet?
 
Throw us poor SMOD fans a bone.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 31, 2012 02:25 PM (BhuDE)

242 Were we all this pissed off about McCain? Posted by: MrShad at January 31, 2012 07:25 PM (Xqfwb) Yes

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 02:25 PM (i6RpT)

243 When are the fucking Democrats going to start admitting Holder is a criminal?When?If they don't it will be seen as nothing more than "partisan" politics by the MFM.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:26 PM (7W3wI)

244 So you rather Obama name 2 or 3 more SC justices ??Posted by: steevy

My principles are more important than my kids' future!

Posted by: The Only True Conservative at January 31, 2012 02:26 PM (+Jr2Z)

245 Since the finishing order seems to be well established already, I'm looking for the big 5-0 for Romney.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 31, 2012 02:27 PM (uIz80)

246 There should be Bush on every ballot.  I always reflexively vote for Bush.

Posted by: Fritz at January 31, 2012 02:27 PM (TsXFk)

247 Early Exit polling among Newt's former coworkers:

Romney 72%
Newt 17%
Santorum 11%

Posted by: Romney's Hair at January 31, 2012 07:21 PM (NDZar)

Early exit polling among workers at factories bought by Bain Capital -

Romney - 4%

Newt - 80%

Santorum - 16%

Posted by: Mittbots the night of SC at January 31, 2012 02:27 PM (uhAkr)

248 Very sad to see both GOP frontfunners lying their asses off about each other.  For some silly reason, I expected better.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at January 31, 2012 02:27 PM (WUWb9)

249 I was pised about McCain but once hhe won the nomination and picked Sarah Palin I drummed up a sort of enthusiuasm.If I had known Obama was even worse than I feared I would have been even more enthusiastic for McCain.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:27 PM (7W3wI)

250 @ Sean Bannion

Well I certainly implied it.  The left has a really unhealthy dynamic, I refer to it as pavlovs dog trapped in a bell shop.  Its why they go from sleeping-frantic-insane so quickly after about an hour of reading leftist news each day.  Then they have to get high to make all the bells in their heads stop.

Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:27 PM (RfvTE)

251 Not unless we are in Costa Rica. Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at January 31, 2012 07:26 PM (hXJOG) Is that where they are building the re-education camps? I call top bunk

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 02:28 PM (i6RpT)

252
Now 25% sweeter.  For a limited time only.

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 02:28 PM (XrrP7)

253 I won't vote for Romney in the general even if it means Obama gets re-elected.

Virtually every cycle, the Republicans ignore conservatives.  Then they throw us a meaningless token (say, a VP slot).  Or they hold the threat of judicial appointments over our heads.  They point to the imminent demise of the republic.

But you know what?  There's real damage done, REAL damage done, too, by having a big government person with an "R" after his name.

How many times when debating the scope of government has someone pointed to some idiotic big-government initiative and say "...and he was a Republican"?

Enough.  If the republic is going to decline, slow decline is not a viable alternative.  If it is going to decline, let the Left own it.

Some will blame those of us who choose to stay home.  I blame all those who didn't listen in the first place.  We disaffected conservatives are not petulant children, taking our ball and going home.  We're rank and file activist who have been advocating nonstop for a change of course.  If the Republicans don't want to listen, then screw 'em.





Posted by: gimley at January 31, 2012 02:28 PM (ubduJ)

254 I was here four years ago, but I don't remember how it went down.

Were we all this pissed off about McCain?


I figured McCain had no chance. He didn't disappoint.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 31, 2012 02:28 PM (HtUdo)

255 The third stage is where the guns come in. Dual .50 Brownings mounted thru-top with a 360' arc and a single .50 Browning mounted aft through the lift-gate window.

Posted by: ErikW at January 31, 2012 02:28 PM (7UaNB)

256 Enjoy it while it lasts, Mitt. When I reveal my One Point Plan guaranteeing 0% unemployment, I'll be hurtling toward the nomination.

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 02:28 PM (W54Uh)

257

The overall unfairness of the primary season + the way that Romney has gamed the primary season + being told that 'Romney is inevitable' + disenfranchisement of voters in VA + being told by Romneybots that you are dumb and should 'shut up' and take it = a lot of pissed off people out there.

.

So I'm thinking that with Romney as our nominee = four more years of the JEF.

.

People weren't this pissed off at McCain.

 

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2012 02:29 PM (UOOK1)

258  I was here four years ago, but I don't remember how it went down.

Were we all this pissed off about McCain?

Posted by: MrShad at January 31, 2012 07:25 PM (Xqfwb)

 

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Yes.  Possibly moreso.  Especially conservatives.  It'll be interesting if whoever gets the GOP nomination will top the rageometer.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 02:29 PM (7uUng)

259 I'm dry heaving at the moment...bbl

Posted by: Cast Iron at January 31, 2012 02:29 PM (EL+OC)

260 I am pissed!  The fuckeers could at least wait until the polls close.

Posted by: rabidfox at January 31, 2012 02:29 PM (DzMsX)

261 How many fucking times does Mitt Romney have to say that he's for a full repeal of Obamacare?

Except he's said he's in favor of repealing the 'parts that don't work', and at least one of his advisers thinks it's unlikely it will happen.

You are imagining he's a conservative in spite of his record.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 02:30 PM (uhAkr)

262 269 It could be argued that a few strategic mistakes and a epically bad ecoonomic meltdown were what sunk McCain.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:30 PM (7W3wI)

263 How many fucking times does Mitt Romney have to say that he's for a full repeal of Obamacare?

Romney won't get it repealed.
The Grinch has a better chance he actually has the legislative experience but I don't think he will do it either.
Santorum can't build a consensus to get elected, much less get this repealed.

Obamacare is best handled at the court then mopped up later.

What I am worried about is his idea that it "Is good for Mass" really? Mandates good for Mass? Can't let go of that big government bone even now huh Mitt? So you think Obamacare is unconstitutional great. That is a real low bar. I'm worried about what he thinks *IS* constitutional along with a predilection for top down, big government solutions.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 02:30 PM (0q2P7)

264

Were we all this pissed off about McCain?

The guy running Sweetness & Light started 'Get Drunk and Vote for McCain' dot com. or something like it.

Posted by: fluffy at January 31, 2012 02:30 PM (O6q63)

265 If I'm still here in 50 years, I'll be gumming my pudding and trying to grab the nurse's ass...

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 02:31 PM (7/Cwy)

266 Sweet Meteor of Death SMOD
Would be more wordy but more emotionally accurate as:

Sweet Merciful Meteor of Death
or  SMMOD

Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:31 PM (RfvTE)

267 ass! piss!

Posted by: The PenIs Mightier Than The Sword at January 31, 2012 02:31 PM (TUBDO)

268 Piss! ass!!

Posted by: The PenIs Mightier Than The Sword at January 31, 2012 02:32 PM (TUBDO)

269 I won't vote for Romney in the general even if it means Obama gets re-elected.



Well then, I say this with all my heart....FU.

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 02:32 PM (X6akg)

270 253 10% reporting- Romney-51% Newt-28% Santorum-12% Paul-7% Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 07:25 PM (d6QMz) Why... It's almost as though Mitt might win even without the I Hate Mitt vote...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 02:33 PM (niZvt)

271  We're rank and file activist who have been advocating nonstop for a change of course. If the Republicans don't want to listen, then screw 'em.





Posted by: gimley at January 31, 2012 07:28 PM (ubduJ)

 

----------------------------------

 

If Romney gets the nod and loses to the SOAMT or he wins and presides like the SCOAMT, a third party will emerge in 2013.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 02:33 PM (7uUng)

272 Yeah, that convinces me, Tami.  Way to engage the argument....

Posted by: gimley at January 31, 2012 02:33 PM (ubduJ)

273 204 How about those of us who just think Romney sucks less than the other guys running (and that the guys who might have been better on paper that did run -- and Pawlenty and Perry, that's you -- flamed out)?////////////////// .Yep.  It's a battle of Douche Vs. Douche Lite the winner to face SCOAMF in a cage match. Douche Lite looks like he's going to get the nod. I really wish I could be excited about him. Meh. I'll do the famous Juan McCain hold my nose while I vote manuver. Blech.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2012 02:33 PM (vqCPH)

274 284 "I won't vote for Romney in the general even if it means Obama gets re-elected." Then you're a 52 Percenter Asshole.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 02:34 PM (niZvt)

275 I sure hope you and Mittens can convice the rest of the country that Mormons aren't from outer space, or we are fucked.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC

 

Do we have a problem?

-SMOD

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at January 31, 2012 02:34 PM (epBek)

276 Yeah, that convinces me, Tami. Way to engage the argument....

Posted by: gimley at January 31, 2012 07:33 PM (ubduJ)



There is no engaging someone with that argument.  It's absurd. 

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 02:34 PM (X6akg)

277 So, now is the time to concentrate on replacing Boehner, Lugar et al and  the other squishes in the Congress.

Posted by: Cast Iron at January 31, 2012 02:35 PM (EL+OC)

278 280 If I'm still here in 50 years, I'll be gumming my pudding and trying to grab the nurse's ass... Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 07:31 PM (7/Cwy) I'll be grabbing my pud and gumming the nurse's ass!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 02:35 PM (niZvt)

279 "Then you're a 52 Percenter Asshole.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 07:34 PM (niZvt) "

Make him swear a Loyalty Oath Mittbots!  Keep browbeating until only the pure moderates remain!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 02:36 PM (uhAkr)

280 In fairness and my best hope for Mitt, is that inspite of his center left personal views on government is that he is a federalist at heart.  I think he loves the concept of states being responsible and free to experiment.

If he turned healthcare and education over to the states it would be like turning the body against the cancer instead of the cancer against the body.

Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:36 PM (RfvTE)

281 Gainsaying, Tami.  Brilliant.

Posted by: gimley at January 31, 2012 02:36 PM (ubduJ)

282 End goal, peoples:
Obama on Air Force One for last time, January 20, 2013, in tears and not jogging like a little green sprite up the stairs. I will ring my cowbell and start a party.

Keep your eye on the ball.

I honestly don't care who wins tonight, as it could change in a month. The thing is, I am prepared that there is no sure thing when it comes to delegate counts until a super majority or the convention, whatever comes first.

I just want this stupid party to unite and defeat the socialist---and that is why I get irritated at people like Palin the Polarizer. None of the four left are as bad as Obama, no matter how you slice and dice it, no matter the labels (RINO, elite establishment, Obama-lite, etc)and no matter what baggage is dragged up...by the way, Newt, I heard your little Holocaust robo-call.. hat is next? Romney's father was a Nazi and ran a prison camp? Come on, dude.

I don't care, I am a honey badger when it comes to defeating The Won.

ABO 2012

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 31, 2012 02:36 PM (baL2B)

283 22% reporting-

50% (R)
30% (G)
12% (S)
 7%  (P)

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:36 PM (d6QMz)

284 It could be argued that a few strategic mistakes and a epically bad ecoonomic meltdown were what sunk McCain.


I'm just afraid that in four years we'll be arguing that it was a few strategic mistakes and a slight economic upturn that sunk Romney.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 31, 2012 02:37 PM (HtUdo)

285 291 Yeah, that convinces me, Tami. Way to engage the argument.... Posted by: gimley at January 31, 2012 07:33 PM (ubduJ) There is no engaging someone with that argument. It's absurd. Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 07:34 PM (X6akg) Exactly. I remember assholes 3 years ago saying they refused to vote against Obama because it "didn't matter." How did THAT workout for ya, assholes?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 02:38 PM (niZvt)

286 Last time, McCain won FL with 702k votes. Keep an eye on whether Mitt gets near there.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:38 PM (d6QMz)

287
>>>There is no engaging someone with that argument. It's absurd.

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 07:34 PM (X6akg)<<<<<<


Why?  did you say that to Ace when he said he wouldn't vote for Ron Paul.

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 02:39 PM (XrrP7)

288

268 I won't vote for Romney in the general even if it means Obama gets re-elected .Posted by: gimley ////////.............///.............I respect your decision. But then don't say a FUCKING word when Obama screws us all to the wall even more. You say you're not taking your ball and going home. Yea, you keep telling yourself that. Work harder. The Tea Party is new, it takes time to develop candidates and get them elected. So you feel there's no difference, fine not a fucking peep about Obama then.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2012 02:39 PM (vqCPH)

289 Sorry about the spacing on my last comment.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:39 PM (d6QMz)

290 I won't vote for Romney in the general even if it means Obama gets re-elected.


I thought gimley was a dwarf, not a troll.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 31, 2012 02:39 PM (HtUdo)

291 299 Hell,I'm afraid of losing.We need to win this fucker,the country can't take 4 more years of Obama and the gang.Can't.I think Romney gives us the best chance to win but I'll support Newt or Santorum too if they get the nod.I'm scared,for the first time since the Soviet Union broke up,I fear for my country's future.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:41 PM (7W3wI)

292 294 "Then you're a 52 Percenter Asshole. Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 07:34 PM (niZvt) " Make him swear a Loyalty Oath Mittbots! Keep browbeating until only the pure moderates remain! Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 07:36 PM (uhAkr) I don't give a crap. Anyone that has to be convinced to vote against Obama is a lunatic fringe member, a probable Paulbot voter anyway. Looking at the polls... We don't need ya, Baby! Stay home on election day.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 02:41 PM (niZvt)

293 Gainsaying, Tami. Brilliant.

Posted by: gimley at January 31, 2012 07:36 PM (ubduJ)



Staying home to teach the Republicans a lesson....brilliant.


Tell me, how did that strategy work last time?

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 02:41 PM (X6akg)

294 This is going to be an utter bloodbath.  Romney may break 50% when it's all said and done, or at least come close. 

Blood never tasted quite so sweet.  I want to BATHE in it.  Newtsblood!

(I'm sorry, after the "Holocaust survivors" call?  Fuck you Newt, you miserable rotten prick.)

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 02:42 PM (hIWe1)

295 @cast iron my understanding is that McConnel is the one undercutting Boehner and throwing him to the wolves every-time Boehner has tried to take even moderate stands.

Other then that yes I am fully on board with you ,  pre/post election it will be viewed as weakness and the establishment will block any change of leadership.  Between now and the convention day is the best and most likely time to clean house.

Posted by: Shiggz Newt Warp 9.9 at January 31, 2012 02:42 PM (RfvTE)

296

Willard 4 President 2012!

Willard 4 Impeachment 2013!

Posted by: Elize Nayden at January 31, 2012 02:43 PM (1ZoqB)

297
In fairness and my best hope for Mitt, is that inspite of his center left personal views on government is that he is a federalist at heart. I think he loves the concept of states being responsible and free to experiment.
Posted by: Shiggz Newt




Not a lot of solace for the half of us that live in Blue states....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 31, 2012 02:43 PM (3wBRE)

298 309 Newt did run like a tiotal prick.Not surprising.Romney is a pretty nasty campaigner too,and I hope he goes full bore on the nastiness against Obama.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:43 PM (7W3wI)

299 I will deny you my essence~!

Posted by: Gen. Jack Gimpy at January 31, 2012 02:44 PM (+Jr2Z)

300 30% reporting-

49% (R)
30% (G)
13% (S)
7% (P)

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:44 PM (d6QMz)

301 Willard 4 President 2012!   Willard 4 Impeachment 2013!
Posted by: Elize Nayden



Actually, if Rubio is the VP it's....it's BRILLIANT!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 31, 2012 02:45 PM (b7yGX)

302 Everyone, a piece of advice: just roll your eyes when people announce they're going to vote for Obama or stay home.

1.) Many of them don't really mean it, they just want to vent frustrations or troll or get the satisfaction of SAYING it out loud.

2.) Others will change their mind.

3.) Their numbers are going to be completely irrelevant in the greater scheme of thing.  Remember: Romney has by FAR the highest amount of GOP support of any of the four remaining candidates.  Their preferred guys (Newt or Santorum) would actually lose significant, outcome-shifting numbers of Republicans.  Romney doesn't.  So they can be ignored or laughed at.  Which is why I generally do.  Nothing we say or do here is going to have any effect on the final outcome.  If Obama wins or loses, it's going to be because of factors that have nothing to do with us convincing some incorrigible hardliner to relent and vote for Romney.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 02:45 PM (hIWe1)

303 Why am I getting extra line spaces when I paste?

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:45 PM (d6QMz)

304 Actually, if Rubio is the VP it's....it's BRILLIANT!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 31, 2012 07:45 PM (b7yGX)

Yeah, Rubio or any other carbon based, non-Democrat life form...

Posted by: Elize Nayden at January 31, 2012 02:46 PM (1ZoqB)

305
Romney won't go full bore on obama, you got a taste of that from Laura Ingram's show the other day.  He'll moderate to the last moderation.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 31, 2012 02:46 PM (XrrP7)

306 Hell,I'm afraid of losing.

Me too. If Romney's our nominee I'm damn sure voting for him. But man I wish he had some fire in him.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 31, 2012 02:47 PM (HtUdo)

307 I'm hoping to be aggravated by Romney for 8 years.Seriously.Just like GW,he is far better than the alternative.Hell,he may even surprise us by aggracvating us less than we think.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:47 PM (7W3wI)

308 284 "I won't vote for Romney in the general even if it means Obama gets re-elected."

Then you're a 52 Percenter Asshole.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 07:34 PM (niZvt)

 

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Agree.  There's no excuse for the SCOAMT to be in office next Jan. unless it's because of assholes that don't vote.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 02:47 PM (7uUng)

309 What Erik Erickson said. Gingrich-Cain, '12. Palin-Angle-O'Donnell, '16.

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at January 31, 2012 06:42 PM (f8XyF)


Totally Irrational, you never fail to make me smile. Thanks.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky,Romneybot loves Rubio at January 31, 2012 02:47 PM (baL2B)

310 Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 07:45 PM (hIWe1)

I'm with you Jeff, right up to the point where you don't explain how having nominally Republican voters staying home is going to overcome Obama's margin of fraud.

Because if you don't think these scumbags are going to go over the top this time in the Fraud Department....you've got another thing coming.

We can't afford to leave any votes at home.  None.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 31, 2012 02:48 PM (b7yGX)

311 Mittens was my 4th or 5th choice. So because my guy didn't get in or I'm mad that the party is not bringing forth enough true conservatives I am going to stay home? Fuck no. Bush 2 wasn't my choice back then either but how many of you that wan't to show the "GOP a lesson" Were glad it was Bush instead of the Goreacle in the oval office when 9-11 hit? You think it makes no difference? Really, then fuck you and stay home and STFU for the next 4 years. You're an imbecile if you really think there's no difference between the two.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2012 02:48 PM (vqCPH)

312 "I don't give a crap. Anyone that has to be convinced to vote against Obama is a lunatic fringe member, a probable Paulbot voter anyway. Looking at the polls... We don't need ya, Baby! Stay home on election day.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 07:41 PM (niZvt) "

Well then, go go John Forbes Kerry 2012!  Huzzah for fixing nothing but helping an airhead complete the cursus honorem!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 02:48 PM (uhAkr)

313
Vote Obama/Romney or Romney/Obama 2012.  Same difference.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 31, 2012 02:49 PM (XrrP7)

314 Jeff B: This is going to be an utter bloodbath. Romney may break 50% when it's all said and done, or at least come close.

Blood never tasted quite so sweet. I want to BATHE in it. Newtsblood!

(I'm sorry, after the "Holocaust survivors" call? Fuck you Newt, you miserable rotten prick.)
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Agreed. I'm glad that fucking salamander is dead. Low-life scum sucking cunt.

See necessary video of Japanese girl eating fried newt: http://tinyurl.com/7r68b98

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 02:49 PM (JdSQO)

315 I get the inclination to call someone disaffected with the Republicans a troll.  I'm sure Dr. Evil George Soros pays lots of people to do just that.

But, again, refusing to vote Romney is not a petulant lashing out at Republicans.  It's a reasoned stance.  The choice is between decline or slightly slower decline with the decimation of the only party (at present) that might potentially stand in the way.

If after Obamacare, the Republicans hold up as their candidate the author of Romneycare, I'm out.  It's their folly, not mine.  I've been working tirelessly to avoid this catastrophe.

Posted by: gimley at January 31, 2012 02:50 PM (ubduJ)

316 316 Willard 4 President 2012!
Willard 4 Impeachment 2013!
Posted by: Elize Nayden



Actually, if Rubio is the VP it's....it's BRILLIANT!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 31, 2012 07:45 PM (b7yGX)

Push it back to Willard 4 Impeachment 2015.  That way we get an extra year or so out of Rubio.

Posted by: filbert at January 31, 2012 02:50 PM (smvTK)

317 Who are they trying to discourage by reporting early trouncing results?  

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 02:51 PM (oZfic)

318 330 That would be a Mormon universe wiuth polygamy.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 02:51 PM (7W3wI)

319 My poling place here in Central Florida was a ghost town today at noon. I was in and out in under 4 mins. One Romney sign, one Ginrich sign out front - no others.

Heck there were more people around, and more signs, during the municpal elections last November.

Posted by: Mike in CFL at January 31, 2012 06:35 PM (motsG)


@42...

Really?   They allow campaign signs around the polling places?   Isn't allowed here, or anywhere at the polling places in the the other states I've lived in.  Where do you live?

Posted by: jem at January 31, 2012 02:51 PM (0oYHO)

320  Why am I getting extra line spaces when I paste?

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 07:45 PM (d6QMz)

 

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It's one of the features of the new AoSHQ commenter thingies being tested.  You're saying you don't like it?  Okay.  Miss80s = no.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 02:51 PM (7uUng)

321 309 This is going to be an utter bloodbath. Romney may break 50% when it's all said and done, or at least come close. Blood never tasted quite so sweet. I want to BATHE in it. Newtsblood! (I'm sorry, after the "Holocaust survivors" call? Fuck you Newt, you miserable rotten prick.) Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 07:42 PM (hIWe1) Me too. BLOOD! BLOOD! BLOOD!! Oh... Where am I?? And... can someone hand me a Kleenex?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 02:51 PM (niZvt)

322 The thought of my children poor and stupid is far more enjoyable than seeing Romney at the Resolute desk!

Posted by: The Only True Conservative at January 31, 2012 02:52 PM (+Jr2Z)

323 I'm gonna be much happier in a few weeks when the Mittbots are off the "Inevitability!" programming and back on the "You are all bigots!" programming.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 02:52 PM (uhAkr)

324

When it comes to me voting for Mit, should he win the primary, I look at it this way. Is he perfect? Absolutely not, he's not even what I would consider a good candidate but I would rather have a center-right President leading a center-right country than a far left President leading a center-right nation.

As a party we can embrace those who side with us more than 50% of the time and work with/act on them to become more conservative as we try to win important elections in a center-right nation. Or we can say, hey majority of primary voters eff you guys for not picking a trooooooo conservative (who actually is pretty moderate himself) so we could lose an important election because the "trooooo conservatives" only skill is that he is typically a strong debater. Well guess what? Debates are not going to make a difference and they are not going to convince anyone to jump from Obama to Newt. Debates are only good for allowing wishy-washy voters to solidify how they feel about X candidate. And even if their preferred candidate doesn't have a strong debate they will say "oh well, he was off tonight I'll give him another shot." We see it all the time so why would this year be any different?

Face it, there are no strong conservatives running in this election. There is social warrior/manufacturing crony capitalist Santorum. RINO Romney, Addle brained Paul, and Washington Insider moderate Gingrich. Our field sucks but I would still vote for any one of them over the SCOAMF we currently have in the White House.

Posted by: hueydiamondpooty at January 31, 2012 02:53 PM (YhZFe)

325

I apologize for that being so hard to read, my browser showed it as being double spaced. Let me try that again.

 

When it comes to me voting for Mit, should he win the primary, I look at it this way. Is he perfect? Absolutely not, he's not even what I would consider a good candidate but I would ratherhave a center-right President leading a center-right country than a far left President leading a center-right nation.

As a party we can embrace those who side with us more than 50% of the time and work with/act on them to become more conservative as we try to win important elections in a center-right nation. Or we can say, heymajority of primary voterseff you guys for not picking a trooooooo conservative (who actually is pretty moderate himself)so we could lose an important election because the "trooooo conservatives" only skill is that he is typically a strong debater. Well guess what? Debates are not going to make a difference and they are not going to convince anyone to jump from Obama to Newt. Debates are only good for allowingwishy-washy votersto solidify how they feel about X candidate. And even if their preferred candidate doesn't have a strong debate they will say "oh well, he was off tonight I'll give him another shot." We see it all the time so why would this year be any different?


Face it, there are no strong conservatives running in this election. There is social warrior/manufacturing crony capitalist Santorum. RINO Romney, Addle brained Paul, and Washington Insider moderate Gingrich. Our field sucks but I would still vote for any one of them over the SCOAMF we currently have in the White House.

Posted by: hueydiamondpooty at January 31, 2012 02:54 PM (YhZFe)

326 OK, somebody's gotta say it:

Romney would, in fact, be better than Obama--but ONLY if he comes in with majorities in both the Senate and the House.

Bonus if the majority in the House elects as Speaker Allen West, and the Majority Leader is . . . oh, I dunno . . . Coburn?

Posted by: filbert at January 31, 2012 02:54 PM (smvTK)

327 Anyone that has to be convinced to vote against Obama is a lunatic fringe member, a probable Paulbot voter anyway.

Well this lunatic fringe paulbot (not Can't stand his foreign policy/antisemitism) thinks of it this way. With our financial position we need big action and fast just to keep the crash controllable. We need a big bet just to survive, Romney has absolutely convinced me that he is a $5 bet on red. Demonizing Perry for setting the tone for Social Security reform. Stout defense of the mandate in Mass. He will ideally do a little, when we need a lot. This vote will likely be on one side of an epoch in American history. I don't know if I can live the whole rest of my life on the other side of that epoch knowing that I didn't vote for someone I at least thought had a chance to save us. That the absolute best choice is Romney. That when everything said don't I held my nose and pulled the lever for the not quite as bad, and then sat back and watched her go down the drain.

Until Romney convinces me we have a real chance by electing him. No I'll do a write in. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK? Really? Convince me we might make it with your leadership? That's not a high bar either, and he hasn't cleared it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 02:54 PM (0q2P7)

328 So the "Holocaust survivor" robocall was below the belt, but Mitt saying Perry was going to cut Grandma's checks off and how Social Security couldn't become a "Perry Scheme" was okay?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 02:54 PM (uhAkr)

329 38% reporting-

48% (R)
31% (G)
13% (S)
 7% (P)

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:55 PM (d6QMz)

330 338 The thought of my children poor and stupid is far more enjoyable than seeing Romney at the Resolute desk!

Posted by: The Only True Conservative//////////////////////////Well it's already clear where they get their traits from.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2012 02:56 PM (vqCPH)

331
Let's see who all these extra special conservative romneybots trashed today, newt of course, and palin, and rubio, and ryan, yep, I guess romney will capture alot of the liberal vote.  yet after all that trashing they say if you don't vote for our guy you're a traitor or something.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 31, 2012 02:56 PM (XrrP7)

332 Shit, his 50% is slipping away. Damn you, early reporting!

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 31, 2012 02:57 PM (HethX)

333 336 Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 07:51 PM (7uUng)

Better question-- how do I fix it?

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:57 PM (d6QMz)

334 349 Shit, his 50% is slipping away. Damn you, early reporting!

> Nate Silver thinks it unlikely that he will break 50%.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 02:58 PM (d6QMz)

335
  If you find it impossible to vote for the candidate in the general. then exercise the write in option. But vote down ticket --DONT simply stay home like a petulant child.

  An unassailable majority in bothy House and Senate is needed. Anything less will mean nothing gets accomplished in terms of reversing current policy.  Even then it will be a struggle.

   But simply giving up is unacceptable.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 31, 2012 02:58 PM (SAMxH)

336 Let's see who all these extra special conservative romneybots trashed today, newt of course, and palin, and rubio, and ryan, yep, I guess romney will capture alot of the liberal vote. yet after all that trashing they say if you don't vote for our guy you're a traitor or something.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 31, 2012 07:56 PM (XrrP7)

Of course all these people will be needed when Willard gets his ass handed in nov. Cultists and scapegoats. It will be everybody's fault but Willards.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at January 31, 2012 02:58 PM (1ZoqB)

337 Bonus if the majority in the House elects as Speaker Allen West, and the Majority Leader is . . . oh, I dunno . . . Coburn?

Posted by: filbert at January 31, 2012 07:54 PM (smvTK)

 

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Oh, please, not Coburn.  He's made of the same RINO material that Romney is made.  Even though he'd be better than McConnell, we could do much better. 

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 02:58 PM (7uUng)

338 SMOD or bust!

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 31, 2012 03:00 PM (4q5tP)

339 postpolitics #BREAKINGNEWS: Mitt Romney has won the GOP Florida primary. http://t.co/8D89nXmF

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:00 PM (d6QMz)

340 Even the MSM hacks were commenting about the over 90+% negative ads.  Sure he might win Florida and he might just take his base for granted but I'm thinking that people don't forget.  They just interviewed ann romney and her take was "well of course the base will come along"....they certainly aren't relying on giving you a reason to want to elect romney, they are relying on thinking you will vote ABO.  That isn't an effective strategy to win.  Cause they have all the cards, you are challenging a sitting president.  Heck people can mistakenly put the wrong numbers in columns, errors that no one checked and the MSM will run with it and tout the amazing recovery.  Then, since she portrayed hubby as a turn around guy, Americans wont' think they need that "turn around guy" anymore cause recovery is here and they'll give the current guy a second chance to finish what he started. 

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 03:00 PM (oZfic)

341 Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 07:55 PM (d6QMz)
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Thanks, M80s.

Posted by: Retread at January 31, 2012 03:01 PM (joSBv)

342 CNN and Fox also call it for Romney.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:01 PM (d6QMz)

343 Miss80's, so do I really. It was my longshot prediction.
50% is a nice round number, even if it's not substantively different from 48-ish%.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 31, 2012 03:01 PM (HethX)

344 Well, Gingrich lost. To the Cookie Monster, who came in second. Maybe Newtie can eat a kosher meal while he complains and whines about how everyone is so mean to him,

Posted by: Anson Mitchell at January 31, 2012 03:02 PM (3dOug)

345 Here is some hope for everyone.  I don't think Romney likes to lose.  And he has been planning this for a long time.  Now some people couch that as "he's been running for president for 6 years" which is true,  but I think it means he has been figuring out how to win.  As we can see,  you cannot get into this late and make a dent,  even though you are a conservative governor of a very large state.  My preferred candidate, Perry,  couldn't ever recover from his beginning mistakes.

And what we saw was that Romney in the early debates basically kept from making a mistake.  The unexpected Newt surge was fought with negative ads and a stepped up debate performance.

I don't blame people for being disappointed that he is the front-runner.  I would have liked a different candidate, but the ones I liked either didn't run or withdrew. 

Just remember,  Romney's role is to GET RID OF OBAMA.  That's it.  No one thinks he is the super-conservative candidate.  But I think he can get rid of Obama, and that's all I care about.  It will take 4 years of intensive number-crunching and housecleaning to even get us to a possibly surviving mode.  I think he can do that,  and it will be based on numbers,  not ideology.  As in "we just cannot afford these many people in the Department of Education. "  If the democrats start complaining,  he will say,  "there is no money."


Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2012 03:02 PM (GoIUi)

346 @344: and Obama cleared the bar for four more years of destruction, MikeTheMoose? Really?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 03:02 PM (niZvt)

347 359 Thanks, M80s.

> You're welcome.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:03 PM (d6QMz)

348

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 08:00 PM (oZfic)

Go away you vapid braindead babbling twit that rhymes with what.

Posted by: buzzion at January 31, 2012 03:04 PM (GULKT)

349 Alright, some sober speculation:

1.) Romney's margin almost certainly won't remain quite so high.  When the panhandle comes in, it will shrink.  I expect him to finish ahead of Newt by something like 13-14%.

2.) Newt will then shriek about how Santorum has to drop out, and ZOMG IF YOU COMBINED THEIR VOTE THEY WOULD HAVE BEATEN ROMNEY!!  Don't believe it for a second.  Every single poll that has checked "second preference" finds that Santorum's voters split 50/50 between Newt and Romney.  Which, when you think about it, isn't actually surprising at all, given that a goodly chunk of Santo's draw is people who want a conservative who isn't a morally repulsive scumbag, and those folks would gravitate towards Mitt.

3.) If Romney manages a final number that's better than Newt + Rick it will make for a deadly talking point.

4.) I almost wonder if Santorum might not grow into a bigger threat than Newt in the weeks ahead.  A bit nutty, but a thought I'd had.  I'll tell ya this: Santorum may also be a guaranteed general election loser and far out of my personal wheelhouse, but the last few weeks have made me appreciate the sobriety and decency he brings to the table when compared to Newt.  Newt is a scum-sucking shitbag.  Santorum's just kind of square and priggish, but otherwise not so bad at all.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 03:04 PM (hIWe1)

350 Catlady is against Romney.That alone is a strong argument in favor of Romney.

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 03:04 PM (7W3wI)

351 but Mitt saying Perry was going to cut Grandma's checks off and how Social Security couldn't become a "Perry Scheme" was okay?


please show where Mitt said that

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 03:04 PM (7FadD)

352 I think I'm gonna vote for Santorum in the Ohio Primary, just because.

Posted by: ErikW at January 31, 2012 03:04 PM (7UaNB)

353 An unassailable majority in bothy House and Senate is needed. Anything less will mean nothing gets accomplished in terms of reversing current policy. Even then it will be a struggle. But simply giving up is unacceptable. Regardless how I feel you couldn't drag me away from the polls with a heard of horses. One thing I won't do, is sit out the most important election of my lifetime.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 03:05 PM (0q2P7)

354 344: and Obama cleared the bar for four more years of destruction, MikeTheMoose? Really?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 08:02 PM (niZvt)

 

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According to CAC's primary schedule, there's still a lot of voting to be done.  It ain't over.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 03:05 PM (7uUng)

355 postpolitics #BREAKINGNEWS: Mitt Romney has won the GOP Florida primary. http://t.co/8D89nXmF

This was pretty much BREAKING NEWS from last Wednesday or so, to be fair.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 03:06 PM (hIWe1)

356 yea i'm a failure and screwed up the post twice. oh well.

Posted by: hueydiamondpooty at January 31, 2012 03:06 PM (YhZFe)

357 Well, Gingrich lost. To the Cookie Monster, who came in second. I thought Newt looked cute when he promised to make Ernie his VP pick if the Cookie Monster quit the race...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 03:06 PM (niZvt)

358 CAC needs to get John E. to help him draw up a SMOD electoral map. 

I think he has a chance of taking all 50 states.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 03:07 PM (hIWe1)

359 Looks like all 20 Newt supporters gathered in Newt Headquarters... Is that you in the foreground, Mike?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 03:08 PM (niZvt)

360 >>>Looks like all 20 Newt supporters gathered in Newt Headquarters... Is that you in the foreground, Mike?

I'm a little worred about seeing DrewM's body plummet past the camera.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 03:09 PM (hIWe1)

361 I'm in Iowa.  I got to vote before the LSM chose the Rep candidate.  {insert smug, self-satisfied grin here} If I lived in one of the fifty-six states left, whose citizenry are being told by the Romney camp their preferences don't matter, I would be downright pissed.

Posted by: creeper at January 31, 2012 03:09 PM (gre5a)

362 Exit poll has vote among women: Mitt 51%, Newt 29%.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 03:10 PM (JdSQO)

363 I see the Evangelical "values voters" went for the serial wife cheater again... Yup, holding fast to those family values, all right!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 03:10 PM (niZvt)

364 and Obama cleared the bar for four more years of destruction, MikeTheMoose? Really?

Who ever said I would vote for Obama? Oh I get it. If we nominate a squish and getting the base to support him is hard, it's the bases fault for being too extreme. Got it.

See my above. In order to get my vote you have to convince me we have a chance under your leadership. I haven't said "Under no circumstances will I"

I've left it open.

If Mitt wins the nom he has till November to make me believe.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at January 31, 2012 03:11 PM (0q2P7)

365 Exit poll has vote among age 65 and up: Mitt 51%, Newt 34%.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 03:11 PM (JdSQO)

366 so, when is the next primary?
I know the Nevada caucuses are soon

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 03:11 PM (7FadD)

367 373 postpolitics #BREAKINGNEWS: Mitt Romney has won the GOP Florida primary. http://t.co/8D89nXmF

> This was pretty much BREAKING NEWS from last Wednesday or so, to be fair.


I would say it was conventional wisdom since late last Thursday and early Friday.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:11 PM (d6QMz)

368 @ 371

   Didn't figure you would, Mike. That wasn't directed toward you.  Just toward the ones who want to to abrogate huge responsibility.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 31, 2012 03:11 PM (SAMxH)

369 You know what makes me chuckle? The campaigns that brag about how much money they are raising one month and then bitching about being outspent in advertising the next month. You're in the game, bitches. Spending the money wisely is how you play.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 31, 2012 03:11 PM (HethX)

370 Exit poll (CNN) has Newt and Mitt are TIED in the North Florida/Panhandle region with 38% each.

Ouch, Southern rejection.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 03:12 PM (JdSQO)

371 CAC needs to get John E. to help him draw up a SMOD electoral map.

I think he has a chance of taking all 50 states.
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Er, I think that's 57 states.


 SMOD 2012.

Posted by: Retread at January 31, 2012 03:13 PM (joSBv)

372

"they certainly aren't relying on giving you a reason to want to elect romney, they are relying on thinking you will vote ABO. That isn't an effective strategy to win.Posted by: ambrosia"/////////////The problem is that the base doesn't like any of our ccandidates that were left to chose from. Let's be honest. People would be saying the same exact thing if Newt was winning big tonight instead.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2012 03:14 PM (vqCPH)

373 The problem is that the base doesn't like any of our ccandidates that were left to chose from. Let's be honest. People would be saying the same exact thing if Newt was winning big tonight instead. Posted by: Minnfidel


Don't argue with the "special snowflake."

It only encourages her.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 31, 2012 03:15 PM (b7yGX)

374 Still wonder why DrewM hates Romney so much.Did Mitt piss on his carpet?

Posted by: steevy at January 31, 2012 03:15 PM (7W3wI)

375 Romney won Tea Party voters by 2 points.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:16 PM (d6QMz)

376 I'm ready for general just tell me where to land.

Posted by: Shiggz SMMOD at January 31, 2012 03:16 PM (RfvTE)

377 I keep saying Mitt is going to do for the Tea Party protests what Obama did for the anti-war protests or as you now know them "OWS."

Posted by: Shiggz SMMOD at January 31, 2012 03:17 PM (RfvTE)

378 Posted by: Christina Hendricks' Mighty Jugs Says We Are All Truly Boned at January 31, 2012 08:12 PM


My sentiments exactly. If it is now decreed that The Mutt really is Inevitable, and It Is His Turn no matter what voters in other states do, I'll be back in November to vote for him. And, unfortunately, watch the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure walk over him as if he was a glob of spit on the sidewalk.

If we make it to '16, there'd better be an organized third party up and running that offers candidates who aren't hell-bent on continuing the long-standing D.C. insider bullshit right up to the moment when the friggin' Chinese, Somalis and other third-worlders march in and take over.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 31, 2012 03:19 PM (tkd/a)

379 261 Early exit polling among workers at factories bought by Bain Capital -Romney - 4%Newt - 80%Santorum - 16%

Hey, I said that first!!! 

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at January 31, 2012 03:19 PM (NDZar)

380

Congratulations, Democrats.

 

You've won again.

 

TMD (Timid Moderate Democrat) or SCOAMF. SCOAMF or TMD.

 

Fabulous.

 

Posted by: Meremortal, not fapping at January 31, 2012 03:19 PM (Usk3+)

381 "please show where Mitt said that

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 08:04 PM (7FadD) "

There's quite a few quotes from that period, but the first one I found was,"If we nominate someone who the Democrats can correctly characterize as being opposed to Social Security, we will be obliterated as a party,"

The solution, of course, is to nominate a guy who used to fire people for a living, but that's neither here nor there.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 03:22 PM (uhAkr)

382 >>>Exit poll (CNN) has Newt and Mitt are TIED in the North Florida/Panhandle region with 38% each.

If this is true, then it's going to remain an absolute blowout.

Remember, also: not all the votes will be counted until several days from now.  Given Romney's hemorrhagic blowout 25%+ lead in the early/absentee voting, I would expect Romney to expand his lead by something as close to 1% after the 'formal' results on election night are done.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 03:22 PM (hIWe1)

383 If we make it to '16, there'd better be an organized third party up and running that offers candidates who aren't hell-bent on continuing the long-standing D.C. insider bullshit right up to the moment when the friggin' Chinese, Somalis and other third-worlders march in and take over.

So we missed our chance? 

Posted by: The Irish at January 31, 2012 03:23 PM (NDZar)

384 @: *Personal* favorability: Newt 55/40 -- Romney 76/21 #ExitPolls

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:24 PM (d6QMz)

385 it doesn't make any difference.  The Media will double down and Obama will be reelected.

The 2010 elections caught them flat-footed, they won't make that mistake again.  Expect to see story after story about how awesome Obama is, and how "extreme" (ha) Romney is.  And the idiots who vote based on Television will go for Obama again.

I see things all the time on the web, the idiots who voted for Obama are out of work and haven't got anything to hope for, they are still gung-ho to vote for Obama again.  Some people are simply incapable of forming new thoughts.

Best hope is for a R (Tea Party type) dominated Congress.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 31, 2012 03:24 PM (i0App)

386 400 The solution, of course, is to nominate a guy who used to fire people for a living, but that's neither here nor there.

If that is what you think Private Equity investing is, I totally have a spot in Congress for you. 

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at January 31, 2012 03:25 PM (NDZar)

387 "Hey, I said that first!!!

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at January 31, 2012 08:19 PM (NDZar) "

Well, you'll be saying it a lot in a few weeks.  Of course I'm looking forward to Mitt Romney's business career being the hill we all die on.  Much more important than a debt ceiling vote or entitlements.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 03:26 PM (uhAkr)

388 "If we nominate someone who the Democrats can correctly characterize as
being opposed to Social Security, we will be obliterated as a party,"


that is not Mitt saying "Perry is going to cut off Grandma's checks", as you alleged.  try again.


Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 03:27 PM (7FadD)

389

Soooooo...  Most of the precincts in Florida that voted for McRino McCain in the primaries in 2008 are voting for Mittens in the 2012 primaries.  What does that mean, I wonder.

If Mittens wins, I guess I'll have to vote for the most conservative Democrat in the general.

Posted by: Marmo at January 31, 2012 03:27 PM (pcgW1)

390 Best hope is for a R (Tea Party type) dominated Congress.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 31, 2012 08:24 PM (i0App)

If Romney were to win the presidency (he wont), congress would be the first thing you can kiss goodbye in 2014 and then it would be Willard and the Dems. Willard and the Dems, alone. The United States of Massachusetts anyone?

Posted by: Elize Nayden at January 31, 2012 03:28 PM (1ZoqB)

391 Jeff B: If this is true, then it's going to remain an absolute blowout.
-----

Agreed. The panhandle and, specifically, the Tea-party cross-section was suppose to be indicative of the Super-Tuesday demographic that Newt could look forward to. The message was to be, 'just keep supporting me despite the next month of Romney caucus's, wait for the real battle on Super-Tuesday."

In this case, there is nothing to look forward too. The bottom has fallen out and the money squeeze is on.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 03:28 PM (JdSQO)

392 "If that is what you think Private Equity investing is, I totally have a spot in Congress for you.

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at January 31, 2012 08:25 PM (NDZar) "

Why say such naughty things about Private Equity firms Debbie?  They give Democrats so much money, those ardent capitalists.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 03:28 PM (uhAkr)

393 The sound at the Romney reception is pretty bad.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:30 PM (d6QMz)

394 Why say such naughty things about Private Equity firms Debbie? They give Democrats so much money, those ardent capitalists.

They also gave me Alan Grayson!  Who knew that Newt would crib his notes? 

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at January 31, 2012 03:30 PM (NDZar)

395 "that is not Mitt saying "Perry is going to cut off Grandma's checks", as you alleged. try again.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 08:27 PM (7FadD)"

What, so you can play wordgames until you believe Mitt was squeaky clean?

I think "Perry Scheme" and "Rick Perry will obliterate the Republican Party" are pretty clear indications of how Mitt has been approaching his fellow Republicans since day one of this whole thing.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 03:31 PM (uhAkr)

396

True to hack, NBC called Florida before the polls closed.

 

Update, NBC calls Nov election for Obama.

Posted by: just the facts at January 31, 2012 03:32 PM (O7ksG)

397 The CNN cast of characters seems more excited about the romney win that the republicans.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 03:32 PM (oZfic)

398

that is not Mitt saying "Perry is going to cut off Grandma's checks", as you alleged. try again.


Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 08:27 PM (7FadD)

 

Yeah and most democrats don't claim that Republicans want to kill granny either, but we still say it.  Its hyperbole for effect.  Romney scaremongered on social security and all but accused Perry of hating children in the debates. 

Posted by: buzzion at January 31, 2012 03:33 PM (GULKT)

399 He's making a speech?  Isn't he supposed to wait for everyone to concede first?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 03:33 PM (oZfic)

400 wordgames until you believe Mitt was squeaky clean?I think "Perry Scheme" and "Rick Perry will obliterate the Republican Party" are pretty clear indications of how Mitt has been approaching his fellow Republicans since day one of this whole thing.

I like Newt but after saying he was "shocked to discover" Mitt owned Fannie and Freddie stock about 30 seconds before he said he had done the same thing, I don't think anyone in this primary gets to complain. 

Posted by: Kaisersoze at January 31, 2012 03:33 PM (NDZar)

401

Exit Polls for Key West:

Romney:  Dashing, fabulous!

Gingrich:  Dis-aster!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 31, 2012 03:34 PM (Ec6wH)

402 TheFix "A competitive primary does not divide us, it prepares us. And we will win." -- Mitt #flprimary

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:34 PM (d6QMz)

403 He's making a speech? Isn't he supposed to wait for everyone to concede first?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 08:33 PM (oZfic)

///// Concede? What part of inevitable dont you understand?

Posted by: Willard Rombley at January 31, 2012 03:35 PM (1ZoqB)

404 Watching the presser, I don't think this is the first time in her adult life that Ann Romney has been proud of her country. 

Posted by: Kaisersoze at January 31, 2012 03:35 PM (NDZar)

405 He just quoted Thomas Paine in attacking Obama.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:36 PM (d6QMz)

406 "They also gave me Alan Grayson! Who knew that Newt would crib his notes?

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz at January 31, 2012 08:30 PM (NDZar) "

Bain Capital political contributions:

Democrats - $1.2 Million

Republicans - $480,000

Yeah, I am well motivated to fight to the death for Bain Capital.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 03:36 PM (uhAkr)

407

Miss Marple, I certainly hope that if Mitt is our eventual candidate that he can defeat Obama but frankly I doubt it.  Just think of what David Lettrman, Tina Fay, Jon Steward, et. al. can do with th more obscure aspects of the Morman religion for example.  Just the sniggering coming from the 'comedians' and night show hosts will undercut Mitt as a serious person.  Then add th nasties the Soros organization will apply.

My hope is for a brokred convention with a moderate govenor as th eventual candidate.  That's why I voted newt - at least we know what his negatives are.  Appologies for any dropped 'e's' - for some reason that key is sticking and I don't always catch it.

Posted by: rabidfox at January 31, 2012 03:37 PM (DzMsX)

408 I'm honestly surprised that Romney is attacking Obama the way he is.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:37 PM (d6QMz)

409 416 The CNN cast of characters seems more excited about the romney win that the republicans.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 08:32 PM (oZfic

 

That's no surprise.

Posted by: Meremortal, not fapping at January 31, 2012 03:37 PM (Usk3+)

410 And Perry said anyone that didn't support in state tuition for illegals as heartless.

With that, honestly would all shut up about the unfair accusations.  Everyone did them!  Besides, its all pissing into the wind compared to the leftist media machine that is coming after the convention.

Posted by: Shiggz SMMOD at January 31, 2012 03:39 PM (RfvTE)

411

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 08:31 PM (uhAkr)


so you cannot provide a quote that says what you allege Mitt said.  okay, got it.

I didn't say Mitt was squeaky clean.  I simply challenged your assertion that he said what you claimed he said.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 03:40 PM (7FadD)

412 I'm honestly surprised that Romney is attacking Obama the way he is.
--------------------
Yes, but I'm glad to hear it. Maybe he's finally getting in touch with his inner junkyard dog.

Posted by: Retread at January 31, 2012 03:41 PM (joSBv)

413 On the map, Florida looks like a Dick.

Posted by: guy who thinks that the guy that calls everything a dick is a funny bastard at January 31, 2012 03:41 PM (GEHaA)

414 I'm honestly surprised that Romney is attacking Obama the way he is.

But-but-but I was told by Rush that Mitt would never attack Obama the way he goes after Newt!

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 03:41 PM (hIWe1)

415 "With that, honestly would all shut up about the unfair accusations. Everyone did them!"

So long as we remember that Mitt was the first guy to descend into the mud pits.  He set the tone for this primary.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 03:42 PM (uhAkr)

416 I'm honestly surprised that Romney is attacking Obama the way he is.

But-but-but I was told by Rush that Mitt would never attack Obama the way he goes after Newt!

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 08:41 PM (hIWe1)

We shall see.  He's still "going after Newt and Rick and Ron".  Will he lose his nerve like mccain did in the general election.  You won't know that until he's in the thick of it.  Weren't you surprised when McCain suddenly became obama's lap dog?  

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 03:43 PM (oZfic)

417 Miss80s: I'm honestly surprised that Romney is attacking Obama the way he is.
-----

Why is that? Because Rush and Newt said so? Silly arguments that he'll only attack republicans hard?

Romney is a motherfucker in a fight, watch any of his races.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 03:43 PM (JdSQO)

418 So, Bevel, if Mitt wins the nomination, are you voting for him in the general?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 03:43 PM (7FadD)

419 Haha, nice thinking Jeff! Didn't see the post, sorry for the repeat.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 03:44 PM (JdSQO)

420 "so you cannot provide a quote that says what you allege Mitt said. okay, got it.I didn't say Mitt was squeaky clean. I simply challenged your assertion that he said what you claimed he said.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 08:40 PM (7FadD) "

 Mitt spoke to a group of seniors in Florida and told them there was a danger in letting social security become a "Perry Scheme."

You can play word games all you want, the meaning is quite clear - Mitt Romney was saying Rick Perry was going to cut off grandma's checks.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 03:47 PM (uhAkr)

421 436 Why is that? Because Rush and Newt said so? Silly arguments that he'll only attack republicans hard?

Romney is a motherfucker in a fight, watch any of his races.


> He was in a feisty mood for a change. I know he is capable of attacking Obama and people are wrong when they say he lacks personality but he has been inconsistent in doing the former and displaying the latter.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:47 PM (d6QMz)

422 OK, I'm through sulking. This thing was over when Perry came out on drugs and blew it. I have found my silver lining and I will cling to it: I don't have to pay attention to this campaign anymore. The only decision left is whether to be a racist or not on voting day.

Posted by: Meremortal, not fapping at January 31, 2012 03:48 PM (Usk3+)

423 ambrosia: We shall see. He's still "going after Newt and Rick and Ron"
-----

And he can't stop attacking the newt. That fuck survived twice and I'm sure they learned their lesson; kill it with fire and don't stop shooting...

...because Newt won't.

Somehow I get the feeling we won't see him pull a Romney at CPAC '08 and pull out for the good of the party. He's an opportunist, nothing more.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 03:49 PM (JdSQO)

424 I stopped listening to talk radio when it became more about the personalities than policy.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:49 PM (d6QMz)

425 geez... palin is on fnc whining

Posted by: phil at January 31, 2012 03:50 PM (QzdcC)

426 426 Miss Marple, I certainly hope that if Mitt is our eventual candidate that he can defeat Obama but frankly I doubt it. Just think of what David Lettrman, Tina Fay, Jon Steward, et. al. can do with th more obscure aspects of the Morman religion for example.

So then I guess it would be open season on discussing Black Liberation Theology?

Posted by: dj at January 31, 2012 03:51 PM (K1pTP)

427 @444: her voice reminds me of the Teacher in the Peanuts cartoons... Except higher pitched.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 31, 2012 03:52 PM (niZvt)

428 Well, same old same old, rural counties went for Newt, urban for Mitt. Newt got over 50% in my county with 335 votes. I`m from the peninsular panhandle. Not too far from that Dead Horse lady.):

Posted by: rightlysouthern (aim low boys,they`re ridin shetland ponies) at January 31, 2012 03:53 PM (HrzJG)

429 Can somebody tell me what Palin is saying on Fox?  I want to soak up the schadenfreude.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 03:53 PM (hIWe1)

430 "So long as we remember that Mitt was the first guy to descend into the mud pits. He set the tone for this primary."

Id be surprised if Mitt was first, negativity happens in Campaigns.  What happened was Mitt learned from his whooping by McCain in 08 (who learned from Bush)  with the dishonest campaign and ridiculous robocalls.  Do you remember McCain running those in Florida in 08?  I do.  For good or bad Mitt learned and came out nasty this election.   Also the only good thing is that Mitt also seemed to learn from an important reality (that conservatives need to learn) is that in politics even a great defense is no substitute for good offense.  Its much more like basketball where its much more about scoring more frequently after each turnover.

I thought John Hawkins described Mitts actions quite accurately


"He's also an extremely nasty campaigner -- a little like Barney Frank, without the modicum of vicious charm that endears him to liberals. Want to know why this campaign has been so divisive? That's easy: Mitt Romney embraced win-at-all-costs character assassination and negative advertising as the primary tactic of his campaign and the other candidates had to respond to it. Since he's proven too unlikable to be pulled up very much, Mitt's strategy has been to pull the other candidates down, even if it leads to a mud fight that lessens anyone's chances of winning in a general election.
"

Posted by: Shiggz SMMOD at January 31, 2012 03:54 PM (RfvTE)

431

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 08:49 PM (d6QMz)

Okay, so what happened?

Posted by: ErikW at January 31, 2012 03:54 PM (7UaNB)

432 I don't get the argument that Mitt won't attack Obama.  He has spent more time attacking Obama than anyone else and this was the Primary.  I thought he sounded good in his speech tonight, I think the line about "Obama's idea of capitalism is to give YOUR money to HIS friends" will do really well in the General Election, which is why he is saying it. 

Posted by: Kaisersoze at January 31, 2012 03:55 PM (NDZar)

433 "So, Bevel, if Mitt wins the nomination, are you voting for him in the general?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 08:43 PM (7FadD) "

Do I need to hold up a hand for the loyalty oath?  Cut my hand with a Klingon dagger?

Unlike many of Mitt's boosters, I voted for Mitt Romney once in 2002.  As with 2008 and now, there was a lot of hype associated with his governance - he was going to fix MA's problems, the state would go red, etc.

Didn't happen.  Mitt turned out to be a mortal, impotent at best and a liberal at worst.  He was a lot like William Weld without the second term.  And William Weld was kinda lame.

I would vote for Mitt Romney again if I had no choice.  But I'm going to voice my displeasure about it before, during, and after.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 03:55 PM (uhAkr)

434

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 08:47 PM (uhAkr)


and I am pointing out that Mitt didn't actually say what you claim he said, the only way we get to Mitt's "true meaning" as you have declared it, is through interpretation via your lens of anti-Mitt bias.


you post nothing but anti-Mitt stuff every single fucking day here.  which is your prerogative, of course.  but nobody should be confused into thinking that you have somehow distilled Mitt's "true meaning" in some sort of objective, passion-free manner.


oh and I note that you chose not to answer my question about if you'll end up supporting Mitt in the general should it come to that.  my strong hunch is that you are so much of a purity conservative that you would pout and stay home and let Obama win again if it means Mitt also loses.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 03:56 PM (7FadD)

435 About those saying Romney is going to take it to the democrats all nasty like.  No need to speculate.. go ahead and look up his previous races.  They are all pretty consistent.

Posted by: Shiggz SMMOD at January 31, 2012 03:57 PM (RfvTE)

436 well, Bevel, you did answer the question.  I take it back.


and FTR I would vote for Newt in the general, but I would hate it every step of the way


the goal is to get rid of SCOAMF

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 03:57 PM (7FadD)

437 301- Miss80s- Romney surpassed McCain's 702K vote total. Does that count as a win for you?

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 31, 2012 03:58 PM (1k4dd)

438 450 Okay, so what happened?

> w/ 79% reporting-

47% (Romney)
31% (Gingrich)
13% (Santorum)
7%   (Paul)

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 03:59 PM (d6QMz)

439

"President Obama's view of a free economy is to send your money to his friends," Romney said. "My vision for a free enterprise economy is to send your money to my friends."





Last bit might be a tad off.  Shortwave was breaking up.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 31, 2012 03:59 PM (3wBRE)

440 Ah but we aren't in the general election.  Instead david A and the minions are busy digging up everything they can find to hit romney with.  I know you are all overconfident that he's the nominee and will beat BO but I bet they dig up stuff that romney would never ever think existed or could come out.

CNN carrying Santorum's speech

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 03:59 PM (oZfic)

441 Can somebody tell me what Palin is saying on Fox? I want to soak up the schadenfreude.


That's only funny if Mitt actually beats Obama. Otherwise your just jerking off.

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at January 31, 2012 04:00 PM (HtUdo)

442 301- Miss80s- Romney surpassed McCain's 702K vote total. Does that count as a win for you?

He's going to blow it out of the water.  Only 80% of the vote is in, and then it's to absentees and early voting.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 04:01 PM (hIWe1)

443 Chemjeff, go eat a sandwich.  All the weight you're losing seems to be from your brain.

Posted by: buzzion at January 31, 2012 04:01 PM (GULKT)

444 __________________________________

Mitt went after Nut Gingrich with a meat cleaver to devastating effect.
Obama is next.
And Mittens is just getting warmed up. Gelatinous Newt was just an appetizer.

When Romney is done with him, Obama will look like the second rate community organizer he is.

Romney knows how to attack and look good doing it.

Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 04:02 PM (9bp09)

445 Shorter Version of Santorum:

I would TOTALLY make a great Veep. 

Posted by: Kaisersoze at January 31, 2012 04:03 PM (NDZar)

446 That's only funny if Mitt actually beats Obama. Otherwise your just jerking off.

Oh, it's pretty fucking funny regardless.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 04:03 PM (hIWe1)

447 456 301- Miss80s- Romney surpassed McCain's 702K vote total. Does that count as a win for you?

> Just barely (as of now). I can think of ways in which he could have done better (if only's) but he won decisively.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 04:04 PM (d6QMz)

448 461- Yippee Skippy!!

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 31, 2012 04:05 PM (1k4dd)

449 Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 09:02 PM (9bp09)

Sometimes I think I can watch the same person and then I come on here and you guys are spinning it in a whole new way. 

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 04:06 PM (oZfic)

450 463 __________________________________

When Romney is done with him, Obama will look like the second rate community organizer he is.

I agree.  The shorthand version of the 2012 Election will be this:

Obama:  Rich people suck.

Romney: 
Hey, who needs a job? 

Posted by: Kaisersoze at January 31, 2012 04:06 PM (NDZar)

451 Sometimes I think I can watch the same person and then I come on here and you guys are spinning it in a whole new way.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 09:06 PM (oZfic)


Know how you can solve that?  Don't come on here.

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 04:07 PM (X6akg)

452
Mitt went after Nut Gingrich with a meat cleaver to devastating effect.
Obama is next.
And Mittens is just getting warmed up. Gelatinous Newt was just an appetizer.

When Romney is done with him, Obama will look like the second rate community organizer he is.

Romney knows how to attack and look good doing it.

--------------------------------------------------

wow, this may be the most delusional thing I've read here in a while.  and that's saying something.  good luck with that bro

Posted by: librul troll at January 31, 2012 04:07 PM (9vRt8)

453 466- So you're just going to keep raising the bar? How does that console you?

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 31, 2012 04:07 PM (1k4dd)

454 466 456 301- Sorry, my first comment refers to the current vote totals. Was not sure if I was clear on that. Regardless, still feel he could have done better if people trusted him more but that does not take away from the fact that he crushed Newt after yet another implosion.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 04:07 PM (d6QMz)

455 buzzion, thanks for the advice

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 04:08 PM (7FadD)

456 Fear my wrath!!  FEAR IT !!!

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 04:08 PM (NDZar)

457 jimgeraghty's twitter: Newt's researching William Shirer for his message of congratulations to Romney tonight.

LOL! Shirer, author of the definitive 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.'

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 04:10 PM (JdSQO)

458 I lied earlier, Newt got 43% of my county with 335 votes.

Posted by: rightlysouthern (aim low boys,they`re ridin shetland ponies) at January 31, 2012 04:10 PM (HrzJG)

459 Oops Miss80s, I posted my last comment before I saw your last clarification. I didn't make it through all the comments to see that you appear to be supporting him.

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 31, 2012 04:11 PM (1k4dd)

460 46 states to go Newt? You were too fucking stupid to get on the ballot in Virginia, remember, It's your home state Newt, the one you live in. You didn't get on the ballot dumb ass.

Posted by: robtr at January 31, 2012 04:11 PM (MtwBb)

461 well, guess mittens will have his buddy newt along for the ride.  Newt is out there with signs saying "46 states to go".   And Santorum just said he's not leaving so it's going to get really interesting.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 04:11 PM (oZfic)

462 477 I lied earlier, Newt got 43% of my county with 335 votes.

In my county, 7% of a vote total is a rounding error. 

Posted by: Rahm Emanuel at January 31, 2012 04:12 PM (NDZar)

463 "the goal is to get rid of SCOAMF

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 08:57 PM (7FadD)"

Which is well and good, don't get me wrong, but we need more.


Obama isn't the source of our problems, he's the latest symptom.  We've been running this country badly for half a century at least.  I'm really not looking forward to a Lost Decade or two, but that's where we're headed.  And we've known this was coming since the 80s.


Even conceding that I don't like Mitt Romney much, he's not up to the challenge.  Fixing the federal government is a Herculean task.  The last one Mitt squared off against -Massachusetts-didn't go his way at all, and quite honestly, can you blame people for not trusting Mitt based on transcripts of his previous statements?


This was an election where we needed a really good, dynamic candidate.  And...we don't have one.


I think that's why the meteor is so popular.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2012 04:13 PM (uhAkr)

464 does anyone have a link to a primary calendar?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 04:14 PM (7FadD)

465 479 46 states to go Newt? You were too fucking stupid to get on the ballot in Virginia, remember, It's your home state Newt, the one you live in. You didn't get on the ballot dumb ass.

Posted by: robtr at January 31, 2012 09:11 PM (MtwBb)

Honestly, i just love watching people have tantrums cause it isn't going as planned for mittens.  He got all his state legislature buddies to make sure he'd win all the early states figuring that would exhaust everyone's money and he'd be the anointed one.  He forgot about the American people.

think about it.  I've never given money to a political campaign before and yet every week, like clockwork, I've saved my little donation and split it between gingrich and santorum.   That, in and of itself, should be of concern to mittens.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 04:15 PM (oZfic)

466 Romney's quip about a professorial tone-deafness and lack was amazingly prescient.

A two-few: hit Obama immediately and a delayed burn on the exceptionally boring Newt.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 04:16 PM (JdSQO)

467 484  He got all his state legislature buddies to make sure he'd win all the early states figuring that would exhaust everyone's money and he'd be the anointed one.

Why wasn't I told to release white smoke?  Perhaps this Romney fellow isn't all powerful after all, I'm totally for Newt now. 


Posted by: The Vatican at January 31, 2012 04:17 PM (NDZar)

468 Yeah, but Rahm you can cheat where your from and everybody knows it, you cheat where I`m from, everybody knows YOU.

Posted by: rightlysouthern (aim low boys,they`re ridin shetland ponies) at January 31, 2012 04:18 PM (HrzJG)

469 A 'new' Contract with America? I thought he was saying at the debates he already had a new Contract with America? Updated from the first Contract with America.

Fuck, I just hope he uploads it to NEWT.ORG so I can compare.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 04:19 PM (JdSQO)

470 Bevel- here's the difference- if he wins the job, Romney will chain himself to the desk, he won't be hosting Wednesday night socials in the White House, taking two-week vacations on the taxpayers' dime, spending three years on the road campaigning for the 2016 election, etc. etc. He'll attack the problems in a way that Obama never could or would.

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 31, 2012 04:19 PM (1k4dd)

471 Somebody needs to tell Newt that it's hard to pretend that he HATES HATES HATES the mainstream media when he's working shout-outs to David fucking Broder into his speeches.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 04:20 PM (hIWe1)

472 Bevel, I'm not expecting anyone to "fix" the Federal government in only 1 term, or even two.  nobody can do that.  it is a long term project.  and besides, it is more than just one man's job anyway.  everyone has to stop expecting government to be some sort of nursemaid to them.


we need someone who will start steering the ship of state in the correct direction.  that is all I expect of him - turn the ship around.  If we don't end up at fiscal nirvana by the end, that is fine.  he will at least be doing the correct things.  and he can't do that unless he first gets to the captain's chair.



Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 04:21 PM (7FadD)

473 No more examples!

Please, stop it already. Stop acting like a kid who just chugged his buddies Ritalin and act Presidential.


Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 31, 2012 04:22 PM (JdSQO)

474 I've never given money to a political campaign before and yet every week, like clockwork, I've saved my little donation and split it between gingrich and santorum.


So you purposefully diluted the only tiny influence that you had in the first place?  Good job!

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 04:22 PM (7FadD)

475 Oh good, Newt pledged his sacred honor. I am taking that to the bank.

Posted by: robtr at January 31, 2012 04:23 PM (MtwBb)

476 484- As far as I and a lot of Romney supporters are concerned, it's going exactly as planned.

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 31, 2012 04:23 PM (1k4dd)

477 Newt is the new Will Folks, his sacred honor my ass.

Posted by: robtr at January 31, 2012 04:24 PM (MtwBb)

478 Shorter version of Newt's speech:

I'm still in South Carolina, right?  Calista, help me out here! 

Posted by: The Vatican at January 31, 2012 04:25 PM (NDZar)

479 If Mitt gets the nod, it will be a GOP Liberal vs. a criminal Marxist. The GOP Liberal might win.

Posted by: eman at January 31, 2012 04:26 PM (pn8u0)

480 478 Oops Miss80s, I posted my last comment before I saw your last clarification. I didn't make it through all the comments to see that you appear to be supporting him.

> Actually, I prefer Santorum, but between Romney and Newt I currently feel Romney is the lesser of two evils. Still wish Jindal would have run but that obviously did not happen.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 04:26 PM (d6QMz)

481 if he wins the job, Romney will chain himself to the desk, he won't be hosting Wednesday night socials in the White House, taking two-week vacations on the taxpayers' dime, spending three years on the road campaigning for the 2016 election, etc. etc. He'll attack the problems in a way that Obama never could or would.


eh - I don't believe that.  and I'm not exactly anti-Mitt here.

he'll do what every other president has done - host state dinners, take needed vacations, and spend an excessive amount of time campaigning.

and I don't really begrudge any president that.

Obama, of course, has taken it way too far with his golf and vacation addictions.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 04:26 PM (7FadD)

482 > w/ 79% reporting-

47% (Romney)
31% (Gingrich)
13% (Santorum)
7% (Paul)

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 08:59 PM (d6QMz)

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The "insider poll" at the top of the page:

 

Romney 47%

Gingrich 34%

Santorum 11%

Paul 8%

(untested: Sweet Meteor of Death)

Posted by: Meremortal, not fapping at January 31, 2012 04:27 PM (Usk3+)

483 483 does anyone have a link to a primary calendar?

http://tinyurl.com/4zlupr7

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 04:29 PM (d6QMz)

484 Oh good. Ron Paul is speaking. Fap fap fap.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 31, 2012 04:30 PM (1ocDG)

485 Holy shit, did anyone else notice that Newt Gingrich invoked "SACRED HONOR"??

Posted by: Will Folks at January 31, 2012 04:30 PM (hIWe1)

486 thanks Miss80sBaby

so it looks like Nevada, Maine, Colorado and Minnesota are next
(stupid Missouri doesn't count)

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2012 04:31 PM (7FadD)

487 Have to say that Newt's "concession" lived up to my fondest hopes of grandiloquent bitterness.

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 04:32 PM (hIWe1)

488 90% reporting-

47% Romney
32% Newt
13% Santorum
 7% Paul

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 04:32 PM (d6QMz)

489 500- I didn't mean to imply that he'd be a hermit 24/7, but I am a bit more of an optimist than you might be. I don't recall all of the coverage of his work with the Olympics, but I don't remember seeing him in the spotlight until the opening ceremonies. He got the job done before taking any bows. For that matter, I don't remember him being described as simply a figurehead in any of his past roles.

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 31, 2012 04:32 PM (1k4dd)

490 502, 505- I'll be at the caucus in Minnesota next Tuesday. FYI- Romney won MN in 2008.

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 31, 2012 04:35 PM (1k4dd)

491

I think Newt has got a grudge against a lot of sob`s in DC, and I believe that`s a good thing. And yeah, that`s the only reason this real live Florida Cracker supports him over Mitt.

 

Posted by: rightlysouthern (aim low boys,they`re ridin shetland ponies) at January 31, 2012 04:35 PM (HrzJG)

492 Damn....check out that chick over Luap Nor's left shoulder. She is teh hawt. I might vote for him for a chance to hit that.

Posted by: theadmiral at January 31, 2012 04:36 PM (K7a8I)

493 505 thanks Miss80sBaby

so it looks like Nevada, Maine, Colorado and Minnesota are next (stupid Missouri doesn't count)

> Our primary date here in Texas is still up in the air due to the redistricting fight. We will supposedly know by Feb. 6th.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 04:37 PM (d6QMz)

494 From Gerald Vanderleun:  The Daffy Duck test for 2012 votring: are they smarter than Daffy Duck and are they not named Obama?

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at January 31, 2012 04:37 PM (1ocDG)

495 Did anyone else catch Nor's comment about lighting brush fires (of Ronpaulistas). That'll go over real well in a state that saw 12 people killed in a car wreck caused by arson.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 31, 2012 04:40 PM (V6fqC)

496 @freddoso  Not clear at this point whether overall turnout will be more or less. AP and CNN have same but conflicting precinct % reporting.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 04:44 PM (d6QMz)

497 Noles went for Mitt, Gators for Newt

Posted by: rightlysouthern (aim low boys,they`re ridin shetland ponies) at January 31, 2012 04:44 PM (HrzJG)

498 Seen on twitter:  BREAKING: sources in florida tell me Morty Seinfeld will win the Del Boca Vista condo board elections

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 04:47 PM (X6akg)

499 515- If it hasn't already been noted elsewhere, the 2008 Republican primary vote total was 1,949,498.

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 31, 2012 04:47 PM (1k4dd)

500

Not an official projection yet; but it appears the total FL GOP turnout will be slightly lower than 08... 1.8Mish compared to 1.9M+ in '08

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2012 04:48 PM (X6akg)

501 @freddoso Now CNN's % matches AP's. Turnout in FL looks like it is down from '08.


Looks like Todd is correct.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 04:56 PM (d6QMz)

502 RT : you have to remember in '08 the anti-property tax Amendment 1 was on the ballot in FL Drove up turnout.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 04:58 PM (d6QMz)

503 philipaklein FL turnout was 1.94 mln in '08 GOP primary, it's at 1.6 mln w/ 95% precincts in. State GOP was hoping for over 2 mln.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 05:01 PM (d6QMz)

504 Looks like Todd is correct.

Posted by: Miss80s at January 31, 2012 09:56 PM (d6QMz)

 

There are over 300,000 absentee ballots that have been returned. According to the interwebs they don't start counting those until tomorrow and it goes on for a week because they can be postmarked as late as today.

Posted by: robtr at January 31, 2012 05:03 PM (MtwBb)

505 Well, now is as good a time as any to post a few positive words on behalf of my 3d favorite GOP candidate (he's just concluded his Florida victory speech). I've been consistently skeptical of Romney so far, but there is no point in being spiteful, so herewith a few lines of honest credit for Gov. Romney:

1) He avoids mistakes, or "beating himself." This has really been the heart of his success this go-round, as one GOP opponent after another has shot themselves in the foot, or both feet, and crippled their own campaigns. It is interesting to note that Gingrich's one big victory in South Carolina was achieved only after Mitt himself made a damaging tactical blunder, in dithering over his tax returns. If he had avoided that eminently predictable problem, it is conceivable that Mitt could have won in SC, too.

2) His campaign is flexible, in a good way. After South Carolina, Romney's team took a hard, fast look at their position, and adjusted with a series of new tactics and fast decisions that led to the thumping Florida victory. In the meantime, my man Newt has been mired in a sour dialectic divided between complaining about Romney's dishonesty and complaining about his big advertising spending. This was a winning approach?

3) Mitt Romney obviously is humble enough to prepare for his big moments. As Ace commented sometime ago, we've been imbued for decades with a kind of "Stripes" mythology, whereby some raw but talented people goof off for a semester, but pull an all-nighter before the big test and dramatically ace it. Well, as we all know there is no tooth fairy, and there is no substitute for (nor excuse for lack of) preparation. Quite apart from his smooth, almost error-free debate performances, Mr. Romney has spent the better part of 4 years PREPARING for these primaries by recruiting and convincing supporters, hiring reliable campaign staff, and cultivating right-leaning journalists in the legacy and internet media. Looking at the 2 Florida debates, it was apparent that Gov. Romney had prepared thoroughly, while Speaker Gingrich was winging it.

4)  Related to #3, Mr. Romney is also humble enough to be disciplined.  He is excellent at staying on-message, and he does not take the bait to get distracted into unproductive or damaging dialogues.  Discipline is perhaps the pre-eminent quality for a successful campaign, and it has been Newt's biggest weakness thus far.  Should Romney win the nomination, I foresee a scenario wherein a panicking Obama leaps from failing issue to failing issue, while a disciplined Romney presses his advantage, much as George Bush I whipped Dukakis.

5) Mr. Romney has surrounded himself with competent staff.  How can it be that a serious presidential candidate should be blocked from a state ballot because he collected too few valid signatures?  Are you kidding me?  How can you buy ad time and then remove the ad because your opponent complains?  As Casey Stengel asked, "Can't anybody here play this game?"  Mr. Romney's people have got him onto all the ballots, produced effective ads and purchased the airtime to deploy them, got him to his appearances and appointments on time, and helped him to avoid any truly self-damaging statements.  It's so simple and obvious, and easy to take for granted, but can we say the same for his rivals' staff?

6)  Mr. Romney has remained, personally, a happy warrior, while his surrogates and PAC people have carried out the real dirty work of "negative campaigning," innuendo and brazen lying.  (Yes, claiming Newt Gingrich was anything but a leading Reaganite of the highest order is obviously a brazen lie).  Speaker Gingrich has complained about this, but guess what?  That is classical political strategy, "Politics 202," and why the heck Newt was purportedly surprised by it (and failed to resort to it himself) is beyond me.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 31, 2012 05:13 PM (hRH92)

506 Reliable negative indicator: Andrew Sullivan thinks Newt knocked his speech out of the ballpark.

(N.B.: Aside from being generally bonkers, Sullivan loathes Romney in particular for his spirited opposition to gay marriage in Sullivan's homestate of MA.  Probably the only person he's more deranged about than Sarah Palin.)

Posted by: Jeff B. supports SMOD/Coldcuts '12 at January 31, 2012 05:13 PM (hIWe1)

507 Now not only must we bow to the fact that Mittens is superior but we must also find evidence that the turnout was GREAT! so that we can demonstrate that we have shown the proper amount of enthusiasm for him as a candidate. Sheesh.

Posted by: jeannebodine, SMOD-Bot at January 31, 2012 05:14 PM (byR8d)

508 Wow! The Obot's on the left must have had their grandparents voting tonight.


Oh, and George Soros says "Thanks!"

Posted by: Greg at January 31, 2012 05:14 PM (ReF/l)

509

JewishOdysseus - finally, a reason-based argument to support Mitt. You don't know how much I needed that, thanks.

Posted by: jeannebodine, SMOD-Bot at January 31, 2012 05:22 PM (byR8d)

510 Jeanne, thanks, but you know I still want Newt.  But you have to "give the devil his due," and Mitt's success has NOT been all a matter of luck, or insider connections, or media support, etc.  He has done a lot of things right, as a CAMPAIGNER, and done very few things wrong.

But I fear he'd be a clueless squish as Prez.  Just like GHWB.  So what's the gain?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 31, 2012 05:30 PM (hRH92)

511 Saw JC Watts....i just love jc watts.

Saw connie mack....very ungracious.  Glad he has no presidential aspiratons, snotty spoiled silver spooned back slappers don't play well in the north east.

I wish them luck.  It's tough to beat the incumbent if the base turns on you.  But hey mittens if he's the nominee has all those dems who he's pandering too, they make up the slack, right.

But then again, I believe in miracles, santorum will be the last man standing and I said it when all of you could not even conceive of it.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 05:31 PM (oZfic)

512 Cliff notes for Mitt's and Newt's speeches tonight......................Rah! Rah! Rah! vs. Step 1, Step 2, Step 3.......specifics.  

FLASHBACK TO 2008!    "WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!"

Let the rationalizing begin!






Posted by: Sandy at January 31, 2012 05:35 PM (ReF/l)

513 525

If that isn't an irresistibly compelling reason to vote for Romney, I don't know what is.

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 05:39 PM (7/Cwy)

514 "snotty spoiled silver spooned back slappers don't play well in the north east." Wtf are you smoking? *cough* Kennedys *cough* *cough* Cuomo *cough*

Posted by: phil at January 31, 2012 05:41 PM (QzdcC)

515 Ass! Piss!!!!

Posted by: The PenIs Mightier Than The Sword at January 31, 2012 05:43 PM (TUBDO)

516 Posted by: phil at January 31, 2012 10:41 PM (QzdcC)

Can't stand the kennedys so won't defend them.  But the Cuomos are a nice family. 

Even sean had trouble dealing with connie mack lying right to his face.

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 05:45 PM (oZfic)

517 Who the hell is the romney bot in teh red dress on with sean?  Geez does she know how to be classy or have all the romney people attended the david a. school of saying it like it's the truth even if it's a lie to your face?  Does the country really need a contest for the presidency where both sides lie like a rug?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 05:50 PM (oZfic)

518 I just can't help wishing for a "no confidence" or "none of the above" vote option. If that one wins... its a redo.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 31, 2012 05:54 PM (r4wIV)

519 __________________

Somehow all these "Nut Gingrich is a real conservative" wet-dreamers utterly missed the part in the last two GOP debates when Romney went through that liar like a buzz saw. Romney called the Disgraced Speaker out on falsehood and contradiction after falsehood and contradiction. All Gingrich could do was stare down at his foot for lack of a response, and then soon thereafter beg for a truce.

Then after the debates, Nut Gingrich complained that the audience had been was stacked against him!! And then he hypocritically claimed that Romney had been dishonest when he confronted Newt's lie that Romney was somehow anti-immigrant. And yet, no less than the distinguished Florida US Senator, Mark Rubio, called the pucker-faced Gingrich out on this lie.

In short, Nut Gingrich got his ass handed to him by Romney in the last two debates.

So being that Romney kicked Gingrich's ass in the last two debates, and now Gingrich has cowardly declared that he will not show up to debate Obama if there is a reporter moderating the presidential debates: What exactly is the rationale of a Gingrich candidacy? 

There never was one. Pure wet-dream fantasy - based on Cheap Date Pretend-Conservatism.


Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 06:12 PM (9bp09)

520 well seems the dems have decided the nominee based on only these few state.  They've given romney secret service protection?   Did they give Santorum and Paul and Gingrich secret service protection too.  Or is this just their way of being obvious about deciding who they want to run against?

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 06:21 PM (oZfic)

521 Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 11:21 PM (oZfic)

Cain had early on IIRC. He got some flack for it too

Posted by: bill lumbergh at January 31, 2012 06:38 PM (i7mEE)

522 ______________________

I don't think tonight's results have settled in on the Stinky-Ginky supporters just yet. Florida was it.
Even Nut Gingrich himself had declared Florida a must win for him if he was to have a plausible path to the nomination. (Of course you never know where things really stand when Stinky-Ginky makes a declaration.) 

No less than Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia Center For Politics said that if Romney won Florida by a decisive margin, he would be 80% to 90% to win the nomination. But Romney did not merely win by a decisive margin.
He won in a LANDSLIDE.
It's over.

It would be morally reprehensible to not to give the extremely-likely presidential nominee from either party secret service protection. Romney's message is now going national . Or did you not hear his speech tonight when he repeatedly slammed Obama?

Out of touch Stinky-Ginky supporters might have fantasies of a miracle comeback. But not even the potential whackos in the country who might muster the nerve to harm a presidential candidate are that delusional. 

The secret service has to prepare for and protect against such potentialities. The secret service is not designed to cater to the wet-dreams of Nut Gingrich supporters.





Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 06:49 PM (9bp09)

523 Dave,
   Your side won tonight. Why so angry and bitter? I felt sad for the Republican party. But you should be happy.

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 06:55 PM (kWOMP)

524

Posted by: ambrosia at January 31, 2012 11:21 PM (oZfic)

 

You are a fucking idiot.

Posted by: buzzion at January 31, 2012 06:56 PM (GULKT)

525 This is definitely a big win for the liberal wing of the Rep party. In a toxic environment for the Dems, the Republican party is about to nominate the least conservative candidate since Nixon. John Hawkins had a good summary and this is just the first point.

1) He's not a conservative. There have been a lot of conservatives who've talked a good game during the primaries and then have let us down in D.C., but if Mitt Romney becomes the nominee and gets elected, some people seem to be hoping that he'll be the first Republican moderate to go to D.C. and turn into a fire-breathing conservative. Based on his record, if Mitt Romney is nominated, he will be the least conservative candidate since Nixon.

Moreover, keep in mind that in 1994, when Mitt Romney was 47 years old, he was telling people that, "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush" and the Contract with America was "not a good idea." Eight years later in 2002, when he was 55 years old, Mitt Romney was saying, "I think people recognize that I'm not a partisan Republican, that I'm someone who is moderate, and that my views are progressive.” Oh, joy! So he was a progressive, like Hillary Clinton! After four years of governing as a barely right of center moderate and coming up with Romneycare, a piece of signature legislation that any liberal Democrat would be proud of, Mitt Romney supposedly became a conservative -- precisely at the same moment he started running for President. What a stunning coincidence!

One of the great ironies of the campaign is that Newt Gingrich has been quite properly dinged for being a good Republican soldier and endorsing Dede Scozzafava over the Conservative Party's Doug Hoffman and now, a lot of the "good Republican soldiers" are endorsing a male version of Scozzafava for President over Newt.


Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 07:02 PM (kWOMP)

526 _____________________

I'll freely admit that I am happy Romney won tonight. He's not a candidate of whom to be ashamed. He's not some fantasy ideal candidate to sally forth and champion conservatism. But he's a hell of lot better than Gingrich. 

I'll also freely admit that Stinky-Ginky Nut Gingrich for all his hypocrisy and lies is so fucking repugnant that I'm overjoyed that he shot his own candidacy in the foot while campaigning in Florida. His self-inflicted implosion was as predictable as all his critics promised it would be. So yeah, I'm a bit on the happy side tonight.

You feel sad for the Republican Party because you remain suckered by Newt Gingrich that he is a through-and-through conservative. So in your mind, the moderate beat the conservative. Nothing could be further from the truth.






Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 07:05 PM (9bp09)

527 Yeargggggggh.

Posted by: Emperor of Yearrrrrrgh at January 31, 2012 07:07 PM (baC5d)

528 _____________________

I make no claims to Romney being or becoming a fire-breathing conservative. I can only point out the obvious: that Romney is at least as far right of center as Newt Gingrich is. Moreover, Romney is ten times more reliable than Gingrich on any issue. And Newt Gingrich is a straight out liar who has been caught in lie after hypocritical lie. He has very little integrity and even less credibility.


Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 07:12 PM (9bp09)

529 You feel sad for the Republican Party because you remain suckered by Newt Gingrich that he is a through-and-through conservative. So in your mind, the moderate beat the conservative. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I am suckered by Gingrich? I felt sad because we are reduced to the choice of TWO BAD candidates. Romney is as bad as Gingrich if not worse. Gingrich is a corrupt conservative, ie he started out at least on the conservative side. Then he got corrupted by the power and money in Washington. Romney have been a moderate at best. He told us that his views were progressive. Rush thought that his campaign gave the big middle finger to the base. Even that he still won. So this is a big win for the liberal wing of the Republican party. Congratulations to you all. Romney is the best insurance for the Dems in case Obama loses. He is the least conservative candidate since Nixon and that is the fact. That 's why I felt sad for the Republican party.

If you want to talk about integrity, let 's look at the example. Will we say Obama is a man of integrity because he never cheated on his wife (from what we know so far)? We all know that he is big shameless liar. Similar arguments can be made against Romney.


Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 07:14 PM (kWOMP)

530 Newt's "sacred honor" isn't worth a bucket of warm piss.

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 07:14 PM (7/Cwy)

531 539 ambrosia

I for one am glad that the Secret Service isn't wasting taxpayer money to guard someone who isn't going to be nominated.

Posted by: packsoldier at January 31, 2012 07:16 PM (7/Cwy)

532 ___________________

If the situation were Santorum versus Romney, I would default to Santorum because (unlike Stinky-Ginky) Rick Santorum clearly is a conservative. I think he has some electability issues. But Santorum (unlike Stinky-Ginky) has no integrity issues.

I'd feel like it was a good and reasonable roll of the dice on Santorum as the GOP nominee.

Had it been Santorum who won Georgia after winning Iowa, then tonight's results of a big Romney win would have indeed disappointed me.

But that ain't the scenario.

MASSIVE RELIEF from being unburdened of the Stink-Bird Albatross that is Newt Gingrich is the scenario.

Thank heavens.


Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 07:19 PM (9bp09)

533 Dave,
   So are you going to vote for Santorum?

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 07:20 PM (kWOMP)

534 Dave, keep up that great hard shilling, the check is in the mail!

Posted by: Your Boss, Mitt at January 31, 2012 07:24 PM (hRH92)

535 ____________________

Yes, I think Obama obviously has sketchy integrity to put it generously. But Gingrich has displayed worse issues with integrity than Obama. It's not clear to me how we can really go after Obama on his integrity - in terms of broad political appeal. It is painfully obvious on how to go after Gingrich on integrity - because of his history of repeated lies. 

Romney's background is as safe as milk. He's a Mormon square. His character is unassailable.

You list a number of Romney quotes from years back when he was running for the US Senate and then the Governorship of Massachusetts that of course make any conservative instantly balk. But they are not lies. They sound like the kind of softly-vacillating things that a politician says if he wants to get elected in a deep blue State like Massachusetts.

And moreover, we should not make the following equivocation: vaguely describing one's views as being progressive views = being a Progressive.
Big difference.

By the way, to honest I don't know what the liberal wing of the Republican Party is. It just sounds like a convenient whipping-chimera.




Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 07:30 PM (9bp09)

536 __________________

LAI, I would love to vote for Rick Santorum in the primaries. But he won't be on the ballot in Virginia.






Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 07:32 PM (9bp09)

537 By the way, to honest I don't know what the liberal wing of the Republican Party is. It just sounds like a convenient whipping-chimera.
---
OK, Bob Dole and McCain are examples of the liberal wing of the Republican party. Romney is known as a flip-flopper, ie a term for speaking on both sides of an issue. Thomas Sowell just wrote an article on the lying and smearing from Romney and his campaign. So you can look that up. And here is a good description of the Rep establishment (from American Thinker). Sorry that i don't know how to make a tiny url!

There is no office on Connecticut Avenue in Washington with a sign reading "The Republican Establishment" or the "The Democratic Establishment"; rather it is an amalgam of like-minded groups with one common interest: control of the government purse-strings.

The Republican Establishment is made up of the following:  1) many current and nearly all retired Republican national office holders whose livelihood and narcissistic demands depends upon fealty to Party and access to government largesse; 2) the majority of the conservative media, including pundits, editors, writers and television news personalities based in Washington and New York whose proximity to power and access is vital to their continued standard of living;  3) numerous think-tanks and members thereof who are waiting to latch on to the next Republican administration for employment and ego-gratification; and 4) the reliable deep pocket political contributors and political consultants whose future is irrevocably tied to the political machinery of the Party.

The overriding interest of this cabal has been and continues to be: the accumulation of power through the control of the income, borrowing and spending by the Federal Government.   Thus, with the exception of the presidency of Ronald Reagan and the Republican controlled House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999, the Republican members of the Ruling Class have been content since 1952 to merely slow down the big-government policies of the Democrats while publicly decrying their tax and spend policies.

This insider apparatus has been the primary determining factor in whom among those choosing to run for office will receive the financial, media and logistical support so vital for any political campaign, but particularly for national office be it the Presidency or either house of Congress.   It is this cabal that has given the nation Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush and John McCain in the presidential sweepstakes and innumerable go-along to get-along members of Congress.

This scenario was tolerated and generally ignored as long as the nation was experiencing overwhelming and seemingly endless prosperity.   The one major accomplishment of Barack Obama has been to bring a sudden and abrupt end the people's ability to tolerate this tacitly understood game between the two major Parties. 



Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 07:35 PM (kWOMP)

538 ____________________

JewishOdysseus, let me know when you come with a half-way credible argument for your fraudulent Stinky-Ginky.

Better yet, let Nut Gingrich himself know right away. Because after getting his ass so thoroughly stomped in the Florida debates and tonight in the Florida primary, it looks like the GOP is finally ready flush ol' Stinky-Ginky.

Better luck next time selecting filthy liar of a candidate.

(By the way, did you notice that women voters in Florida abandoned the untrustworthy, philandering Newt Gingrich by TWENTY TWO POINTS?? - And those are GOP women voters.
Gee, I wonder how Stinky-Ginky would have done in the general election with moderate and independent women voters in a swing State like Florida?)





Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 07:37 PM (9bp09)

539 Gee, I wonder how Stinky-Ginky would have done in the general election with moderate and independent women voters in a swing State like Florida?)
----
Understand your point. You are only concerned with the apperance of integrity, not the real integrity. Romney may be a liar, but at least we can sell him to the women voters. Yup that is a pro of Romney compared to Gingrich.

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 07:39 PM (kWOMP)

540 _______________________

You know, LAI, I agree with you that the likes of Dole and McCain are not conservative Republicans but rather are moderate Republicans. But there is no evidence that they're liberal.

By definition all liberals are Democrats.






Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 07:40 PM (9bp09)

541 ________________________

Okay, LAI, name a lie from Romney.

Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 07:41 PM (9bp09)

542 ________________

By the way, even Nut Gingrich himself had to drop the ridiculous idea that Romney is a liberal. Noticed how he stopped using that description?

Because even Stinky-Ginky realized it was a stupid thing to say.


Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 07:43 PM (9bp09)

543 Okay, LAI, name a lie from Romney.
-------------
Perry wants to stop SS (ie push the seniors off the cliff). And from Thomas Sewell

Among the claims going out through the mass media in Florida, on the eve of that state’s primary election, is that Newt Gingrich “resigned in disgrace” as speaker of the House of Representatives as a result of unethical conduct involving the diversion of tax-exempt money. Mitt Romney is calling on Gingrich to release “all of the records” from the congressional investigation.


But the Wall Street Journal of January 28, 2012, reported that these records — 1,280 pages of them — are already publicly available online. Although Speaker Gingrich decided not to take on the task of fighting the charge from his political enemies in 1997, the Internal Revenue Service conducted its own investigation which, two years later, exonerated Gingrich from the charges. His resignation was not due to those charges and occurred much later.

Do the Romney camp and the Republican establishment not know this, a dozen years later? Or are they far less concerned with whether the charges will stand up than they are about smearing Gingrich on the eve of the Florida primaries?

There are also charges made about what Congressman Gingrich said about Ronald Reagan on March 21, 1986. But this too is a matter of public record, since his remarks are available in the Congressional Record of that date, so it is remarkable that there should be any controversy about it at this late date.

On that date, Gingrich praised Reagan’s grasp of the foreign-policy issues of the day but later questioned whether the way the actual policies of the Reagan administration were being carried out was likely to succeed. Gingrich was not alone in making this point, which such conservative stalwarts as George Will, Charles Krauthammer, and others made at the time.

Since a column of my own back in the 1980s suggested that the administration’s policies seemed to be to “speak loudly and carry a little stick,” I can well understand the misgivings of others. But that is wholly different from saying that all who expressed misgivings were enemies of Ronald Reagan.

One can of course lift things out of context. But if you want to read the whole context, simply go online and get the Congressional Record for March 21, 1986. Among the other places where the smears are exposed are the Wall Street Journal of January 29, Jeffrey Lord’s article on the American Spectator’s blog of January 27, and an article by Heather Higgins on Ricochet.com of January 29.

Unfortunately, there are likely to be far more people who will see the smears than will have time to get the facts. But, if nothing else, there needs to be some understanding of the reckless accusations that have become part of the all-out attempt to destroy Newt Gingrich, as so many other political figures have been destroyed, by non-stop smears in the media.

Gingrich is by no means above criticism. He has been criticized in this column before over the years, including during the current primary season, and he will probably be criticized here again.

But the poisonous practice of irresponsible smears is an issue that is bigger than Gingrich, Romney, or any other candidate of either party.


Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 07:49 PM (kWOMP)

544 Romney also had an attack ad in Spanish about Gingrich saying that Spanish was a ghetto language. That may be a big factor for the margin in the Hispanic vote tonight.

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 07:52 PM (kWOMP)

545 ___________________________-


Uh, Perry did in fact want to stop FDR's Social Security program (the very one in place now) and devolve it to the States to implement at their discretion. I happen to agree with Perry on this, but unfortunately it's not an idea that can currently[i/] be sold to the American public - which is why Perry intelligently vacillated his position on Social Security because that's what smart politicians like Perry and Romney do. - They soften their positions based on their constituency; they make slick pivots.

I disagree with Sowell (a hero of mine) on this point. Newt Gingrich did in fact resign the House Speakership in disgrace. That's a fact. He did this for a number of reasons. The main reason was because House GOP membership lost seats when it should have won them. But everything had been building up to pushing Stinky-Ginky out prior to the loss of those seats. There had already been an attempted coup by his own party to push him out. Being the only Speaker in history to be sanctioned for ethics violations was a key reason for them wanting to get rid of him.
This is what I believe. And this what Romney believes. And this is what a lot of fellow Republicans believe. In the unlikely event that we are wrong on this point; that doesn't make us liars. Because it is what we firmly believe.



 



Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 08:00 PM (9bp09)

546 BTW, you can spin all you want. But here is the fundamental problem with the Romney campaign. They don't have a vision or an idea (as ACE called Romenyism) to appeal to the base or even the general electorate. So the Romney campaign is fundamentally a NEGATIVE campaign against the opposition. Very much like the Obama campaign: they don't have a positive vision or results to sell, so they have to use negative campaign. It is very much the Romney campaign this primary. They will smear and use any low ball tactics against other candidates. You can justify it as the bareknuckles of politics, but let 's not deny the fact that Romney campaign is the most NEGATIVE.

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 08:00 PM (kWOMP)

547 Dave,
   Looks like you have a hard time accepting the facts right now. So best wishes to you.

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 08:01 PM (kWOMP)

548 ___________________

- I failed to properly close my italics tab after the word "currently". Sorry about that.


Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 08:01 PM (9bp09)

549 Mittbot: "JewishOdysseus, let me know when you come with a half-way credible argument for your fraudulent Stinky-Ginky."

I've pointed out here many times that Newt is the only candidate running who has accomplished anything significant for the conservative cause.  He ousted 2 Dem House Speakers; led a Repub majority into power after 40 years loser status; shoved welfare reform and major tax-cuts down Clinton's throat; humbled major Dems like Tip O'Neill & Mario Cuomo; and made himself the most hated man on earth to all liberals. 

Those are facts, historical facts, but you are either too ignorant or too stupid to be aware of them.  Else you'd never make that challenge.

I just wrote a long post above giving full props to Romney (whom I've studied since 1994--how long have YOU studied him?) for his campaigning.  But anyone who thinks he will stand up to the institutional Left anything close to like Newt has is a full-blown retard.  That's why the Left does not hate Mitt.

Posted by: Your Boss, Mitt at January 31, 2012 08:04 PM (hRH92)

550 Off, damn sock.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 31, 2012 08:08 PM (hRH92)

551 _____________________

LAI,
Also it is flat false to describe Mitt Romney as having said that Newt was or is an enemy of Reagan. Romney has never said this. There is no quote anywhere that even suggests Romney called Gingrich Reagan's enemy.

However, it is true that Newt lied about being best buddies with Reagan plotting together to overthrow the Soviet Union.
Rather Stinky-Ginky attacked Reagan's anti-Soviet strategy as a failure. There is Congressional House speech transcript of this attack. And today Stinky-Ginky lies and tells us he was on the same page as Reagan in defeating communism.

So I'm just still waiting for you or anyone to point out a lie that Romney has told.




Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 08:08 PM (9bp09)

552 ________________________

LAI,

Newt Gingrich did in fact describe Spanish as the language of the Ghetto. That is not a lie. The very fact that Gingrich had to issue a public apology in Spanish for having said such a stupid and despicable thing is evidence to this fact.

But wait, there's better evidence! You can find the video on YouTube of Stinky-Ginky calling Spanish the language of the Ghetto. I've seen it myself. Don't take my word for it. Look it up and be enlightened as to Stinky-Ginky's true idiocy.

Still waiting for you to point out a lie Romney told. 

Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 08:12 PM (9bp09)

553 Mittbot: "However, it is true that Newt lied about being best buddies with Reagan plotting together to overthrow the Soviet Union.
Rather Stinky-Ginky attacked Reagan's anti-Soviet strategy as a failure. There is Congressional House speech transcript of this attack. And today Stinky-Ginky lies and tells us he was on the same page as Reagan in defeating communism."

This whole line of attack by Mitt is a flat-out 110% lie.

Dave, you need to start using your head for something other than a hat-rack. 

You're embarrassing yourself on your candidate's big night. 

But, hey, if you're really a Newt-provocateur trying to make Mitt look bad, you're doing a hell of a job.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 31, 2012 08:23 PM (hRH92)

554 ____________________

Yeah, JewishOdysseus, you're an obvious genius for obsessing over important things Newt Gingrich did for the Republican party and the conservative movement... almost TWENTY YEARS AGO back in the 90's. I'm thankful for the work he did back then too.

But why should I wear blinders as you do, JewishObysseus, to other salient features of Stinky-Ginky's record?  Why not examine them? Shall we? 

Let's see here. Newt Gingrich recently endorsed pro-abortion, same-sex marriage activist Dede Scozzafava for Congress. Oh you're right, that's terribly conservative thinking on Gingrich's part.

In just the past few years, Stinky-Ginky canoodled on the couch with Nancy Pelosi while swooning over global warming.
Boffo conservative kudos in your mind, eh, JewishOsisyphus!

Was sanctioned and fined $300,000.00 by the Republican House for ethical wrongdoing.  

Voted to create Jimmy Carter’s department of education.

Supported TARP and multiple other bailouts.

Was paid $1.6 Million by Freddie Mac for his “advice”. 

He co-sponsored 418 bills with Nancy Pelosi.

He supported and Individual Health Care Mandate like Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Romney.

Yeah, JewishOsisyphus, you're so right!!! How could I have missed what a great conservative Stinky-Ginky really is. 

Get a clue, chump.  







Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 08:23 PM (9bp09)

555 But wait, there's better evidence! You can find the video on YouTube of Stinky-Ginky calling Spanish the language of the Ghetto. I've seen it myself. Don't take my word for it. Look it up and be enlightened as to Stinky-Ginky's true idiocy.
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Dave,
  Let me illustrate your logic for you. Using your logic to justify Romney 's lies and smears, I can say that Newt never mentioned Spanish! Newt implied it though. He apologized for it. But it didn't prevent Romney from using it to attack Newt. Romney is a master of negative campaign, and I tip my hat to him. But let 's not deny the facts though.

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 08:25 PM (kWOMP)

556 BTW, was it a lie for Mitt to deny he knew about an ad attacking Newt...when his own voice finished it with, "I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 31, 2012 08:27 PM (hRH92)

557 Was sanctioned and fined $300,000.00 by the Republican House for ethical wrongdoing.
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Dave,
   This is a perfect example of you having a hard time facing the facts. Sowell just explained the issue, but you didn't even seem to pay attention. You are too eager to attack Newt to the extent that you are willing to overlook the clear evidence of Romney 's lies and smears.

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 08:27 PM (kWOMP)

558 BTW, the context for Gingrich 's comment about Spanish was that he was talking about making English the official language that immigrants should learn!

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 08:36 PM (nLTW4)

559 ________________________________

Ahhhh, JewishOsisyphus, you have inadvertently given me such bonus satisfaction tonight. Love you, kid.

Here's why:

The part where you simply deny the fact that Newt Gingrich is indeed in the Congressional record giving an emphatic speech attacking Reagan's anti-Soviet strategy as a failure.  That's rich. Your failure to recognize this fact doesn't insult me, dude. Far from it. It is either an indictment of your ignorance on the subject matter, or else you do know it's a fact and puts you in league with your filthy lying candidate, Stinky-Ginky. - Which is, of course, quite apropos.

Either way it is a fact. And to hear you deny it brings a big smile to my face - because I get to get to call you out on it.

Further, it being a fact of record: it then becomes obvious to anyone who watched even one of the GOP debates that Newt Gingrich is a rank, hypocritical liar for draping himself with Reagan's mantle regarding the defeat of the Soviet Union.
And yet again, you're caught on the wrong side of that lie, JewishOsisyphus.

SO RICH.

Thank you for that.





Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 08:36 PM (9bp09)

560 The part where you simply deny the fact that Newt Gingrich is indeed in the Congressional record giving an emphatic speech attacking Reagan's anti-Soviet strategy as a failure. That's rich. Your failure to recognize this fact doesn't insult me, dude. Far from it. It is either an indictment of your ignorance on the subject matter, or else you do know it's a fact and puts you in league with your filthy lying candidate, Stinky-Ginky. - Which is, of course, quite apropos.
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Again, Thomas Sowell just explained this issue and why it is a cheap (shameful) smear. He also referred to the Jefferey Lord 's piece with the link to the full speech by Gingrich!

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 08:38 PM (nLTW4)

561 ______________________

LAI, you know it doesn't matter what the context is for Newt having referred to Spanish as the language of the Ghetto and then having had to apologize in Spanish for having made that remark.

The point is that you are wrong in claiming this is a lie Romney told. It is not. It is a fact. Still waiting for you to list a lie Romney has told.

(I personally am not that disturbed by Gingrich's insensitive Spanish comment. I think it was a mistake, but it is far from a reason for me to reject his candidacy. There are PLENTY of other excellent reasons that I have laid out for ditching Stinky-Ginky.) 

Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 08:42 PM (9bp09)

562 ______________________

No, JewishOsisyphus, Romney not remembering the exact details of every single add his campaign team puts on the air does not amount to him lying.

The next day he was confronted about him not remembering it was his ad, and he did not back away from it's content. - Because the content is true.

His voice at the end of his ad - I can't believe I have to actually point this out to a genius like yourself - is PRERECORDED. Candidates tape those approval taglines once and then they tag it on to the end of their campaign ads.

Did you really not know that? Come on.








Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 08:47 PM (9bp09)

563 The point is that you are wrong in claiming this is a lie Romney told. It is not. It is a fact. Still waiting for you to list a lie Romney has told.
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I gave you 3 already. For example, Perry had a plan to reform SS much like Ryan 's plan. Romney clearly lied about it to scare seniors into voting against Perry. Sowell listed 2 lies for you. Then the Spanish attack which Romney claimed that he didn't know about it while he clearly approved it! Anyway, looks like you are so in the tank for Romney at this point, so facts probably won't make any difference at all. Bye for now.

Posted by: LAI at January 31, 2012 08:52 PM (nLTW4)

564 _________________________

You know, LAI, as much as I respect Mr. Sowel, he is entitled to making some mistakes of assessment.

The fact that Stinky-Ginky was charged $300,000.00 for ethical wrongdoing by House Republicans is a fact of record.

The fact that Stinky-Ginky attacked Reagan's anti-Soviet policy in Congressional House floor speeches in the 80's, and now in 2012 revises history to have us believe that he and Reagan were best buddies plotting together the downfall of the Soviet Union is likewise a fact of record. (Just re-watch any one of the debates.)

Stinky-Ginky's reference to Spanish as being language of the Ghetto is likewise a fact of record.

Me pointing out these facts does not make me or anyone else a liar. Admittedly, facts are stubborn things as you are here tonight learning.

I do note that you don't seem to be able to think so well for yourself. You keep cutting and pasting the thoughts of others as a crutch. May I suggest that you would fair better if you attempted to do some of your own thinking, and make some of your own arguments. - Just a suggestion.




Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 08:56 PM (9bp09)

565 ______________________

LAI, until now I had given you way more credit than JewishOsisyphus for sometimes getting the facts right.

Are you not aware that Ricky Perry publicly came out in favor of ending FDR's National Social Security Program? (This is the very same Social Security Program that we use today.) Ricky Perry said that the Federal Government should stop providing SS as a service. Rather, he said, it should be implemented by the individual States - at their discretion.
And you know what? Perry was right on the money. The man sang to my conservative heart.

However, when Perry entered the race for president, he realized his SS position was untenable. You see (much to the approval of conservatives like me), if the Federal Government quit administering SS services and devolved those services to be prerogative of the States: that is the same thing as ending SS as we know it. It would mean no more national Social Security. I can only dream.

Realizing this, Perry very intelligently made a slick, political pivot away from his original SS position. I don't blame him. He had to do it or it would be impossible for him to get elected in a general election.
And I dislike that Romney attacked him on this.
However, as much as I disagree with and dislike that Romney attacked Perry on this point: Romney told no like on Perry. Let's not confuse disaproval and/or disagreement with lies. BIG DIFFERENCE.  

I was careful to use more detail explaining it this time.
I hope maybe this time you understood.





 



Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 09:11 PM (9bp09)

566 "Me pointing out these facts does not make me or anyone else a liar. Admittedly, facts are stubborn things as you are here tonight learning."



Bull****

Your perspective deficient MSM tactics may fool the minds of the easily mentally manipulated but REAL conservatives aren't fooled by such out of context distortions.  If you consider yourself a conservative you should know better than to
try to peddle selective logic.  First there were Obots, now REAL conservatives must contend with Romneybots.  Same difference, except that you should know better.

Posted by: Greg at January 31, 2012 10:04 PM (ReF/l)

567 Dave, I agree with you about Romney, and I'm very happy about his win. But you can afford to be a bit more gracious, at least for tonight. Especially to JewishOdysseus, who showed a lot of graciousness & intellectual integrity at #524, for an anti-Romney Newt-supporter, on a night like tonight.

(He showed a lot more graciousness than Newt himself, that's for sure.)

"Stinky-Ginky" is just annoying. Of all the politicians in the world, **Newt Gingrich** is the one who least needs an ugly, ridiculous moniker to mock him with. His name suffices, don't you think?

Posted by: lael at January 31, 2012 11:02 PM (v5pkP)

568

"Given how Drudge has been nailing Romney,"

 

Surely, you mean Gingrich.

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