November 30, 2015

Ben Carson: There's a Lot of Extreme Language on Both Sides of the Abortion Debate
— Ace

I can't get too excised about this because it's certainly true; there is a lot of very harsh talk on both sides. One may say this is justified; but of course the other side says that too. I don't think Carson is saying much here more than "We need to listen and speak softly if we are to persuade," which is generally true, if you're trying to make headway on an issue. If you have a different goal, that might not be true.

At any rate, people are now screaming that a would-be politician dared to say something politic.

Of course, this comes as the left takes a shooting and claims the only way to stop further shootings is to ban all political ideas they don't like, which of course they always do.

The Colorado governor says that the Planned Parenthood shooting is due to the rhetoric of "talk radio" and "bloggers."

Ed Morrissey catches the Washington Post saying the same thing.

He notes an example where the left does not find its own hot rhetoric linked to a murderer's rampage -- the Family Research Council shooter. I can name another one -- the Discover Channel Shooter, a shooter the left seized upon initially because they assumed he was rightwing, then discarded quickly when his manifesto indicated that he was so left-wing on climate change he thought the Discovery Channel was too soft in its climate change propaganda.

Gabriel Malor has documented the left's "incurable" disease of blaming shootings on right-wing speech.

But never, ever on leftwing speech -- obviously! Leftwing speech never inspires violence. Except when it does. And there's an interesting argument to explain why, and that argument is complete media silence.

I find this part of the left's broader mission of shutting down any thought of which they don't approve. The left routinely -- reflexively -- links any sort of political thought they don't like into a dire real-world consequence or crime.

If you deny the fake 1-in-5 claim, you're encouraging rape.

If you publicize the fact that baby organs are in fact being harvested at Planned Parenthood, you're encouraging shooting.

If you call a woman "bossy," you're both fostering an anti-woman "atmosphere" and encouraging violent crimes against women.

And so on. As I say, the left's own hot rhetoric -- that we need to reduce the human population to save us from global warming; that anyone who disagrees with this is a "denier" like a Holocaust denier; etc., etc. -- is never, apparently, linked to any violence.

There are several points to be made here:

1. The left is, of course, a group of vicious liars and nonstop propagandists entirely unwilling to engage even on their own claimed premises.

That is: If hot talk leads to violence, and therefore we must stop hot talk, why am I told, by some senior Democrat party officials, that anyone who disagrees with climate change should be prosecuted for a crime? Does this not tend to excite the passions of the strange-minded as well?)

2. It has become de rigeur on the left to claim that some political thoughts -- coincidentally, all of which are political thoughts hated by the left -- must simply be abandoned in order to forestall any possibility of violence.

Sorry, they say, we'd love to have that tumultuous marketplace-of-ideas you lads are always on about, but the dangers are just too great to allow it.

This is, of course, the censor's eternal apologetics for his censorship: Sure, we'd love to let you publish that book, Old Boy, but the threat to the public safety and national morals are just too great.

3. On that last point, several things should be kept in mind: The first is Justice Holmes' dissent from The People vs. Gitlow, a case about communists attempting to incite people into a revolution (which would, of course, involve violence). This dissent is now far more influential in constitutional law than the actual decision, which upheld the convictions for incitement.

On the idea that some ideas are so "hot" they may become an incitement to criminal action, Holmes says:

If what I think the correct test is applied, it is manifest that there was no present danger of an attempt to overthrow the government by force on the part of the admittedly small minority who shared the defendant's views. It is said that this manifesto was more than a theory, that it was an incitement. Every idea is an incitement. It offers itself for belief, and, if believed, it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it or some failure of energy stifles the movement at its birth. The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker's enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason. But whatever may be thought of the redundant discourse before us, it had no chance of starting a present conflagration. If, in the long run, the beliefs expressed in proletarian dictatorship are destined to be accepted by the dominant forces of the community, the only meaning of free speech is that they should be given their chance and have their way.

This is why the court has strictly limited (since then) such incitement laws: The speaker must expressly call for a crime to occur, and the danger of that crime occurring must be a clear and present one, not a speculative one.

The left, of course, ignores this (and ignores how this liberal spirit of speech kept their own brethren, and even they themselves, out of jail for decades), and wishes to use this sort of "ideas = murder" equation to attack its enemies.

4. One final thought: I believe, as you know, that the left is a cult, and is chiefly engaged in the mode of primitive, magical thinking.

Let me point out there are a huge number of superstitious about Speaking of Evil: That if an evil is spoken aloud, it might make that evil manifest in the world. This is why people rap twice on wood after talking about an event they fear could happen: the rapping on wood is supposed to be some kind of charm preventing that evil thought from gaining traction in the mud of reality.

Curses -- spoken words of evil wishes -- were (are) thought to somehow carry actual power to make those wishes into reality.

"Speak of the devil and soon he appears" may mean something else now -- it just means that you mentioned something in conversation, and suddenly it actually appears -- but it used to have a much more literal meaning:

Deriving from the Middle Ages, this proverb (which was, and to a certain extent still is, rendered as "Talk of the Devil...") was a superstitious prohibition against speaking directly of the Devil or of evil in general, which was considered to incite that party to appear, generally with unfortunate consequences. Its first printed usage in modern English can be found in Giovanni Torriano's Piazza Universale (1666), as "The English say, Talk of the Devil, and he's presently at your elbow."

The left engages, as I say, in magical thinking, but they dress up their primitive, archaic superstitious -- barely -- in allegedly "scientific" garb. Thus we get the "Gaia Hypothesis," proposing that the earth is actually a self-protecting deity -- metaphorically, you understand; the left wouldn't say the earth is actually a goddess. That's far too medieval for them. So they say it is metaphorically a goddess, and just happens to behave in every single fashion the way an actual goddess would, including raining fire and damnation upon those who offend Her.

Now, if you want to take that metaphor and maybe believe it's a bit more real than that... well, you're welcome to. But We didn't say She was actually a God. We just said She was metaphorically a goddess. Though We can quite understand how you could mistake Her for a real one...

In the case of speech, the left similarly engages in speak-of-the-devil/jinks/curse-type thinking to claim that any Evil Words they don't like will bring Evil Itself into the real world. The mechanism they propose for this is not straight magic, as the old version of the superstition had it.

No, just like they dress up their Goddess Earth language in some minor trappings of modernity, they have a different mechanism by which to explain how Evil Words work actual Evil in the real world: Because you add to the "atmosphere of hate" and the "climate of fear" and etc..

Rather than your words working in the magical aether that surrounds and interpenetrates the Material Plane, your words instead work by spreading mental contagions among the herdlike populations of human beings living upon this earth (curse them!).

The mechanism has undergone a slight modernization and rationalization -- your Evil Words lead, through social intercourse, to a Rube Goldberg type contraption where a single falling domino winds up, many collisions and contacts down the line, in a shooting at an abortion clinic -- but in broad summary this is no different at all from the various prohibitions against Speaking Evil.

It's magic -- but We are just too sophisticated now to call it that. We have new words to call Evil Magic Words, and those new words are "Rhetoric of Hatred."

For more on this idea (but don't comment in this post -- you'll get banned, because comments in old posts are considered spam by the system), read Enchanted Crocodiles, Mighty Sorcerers, and Lee Harvey Oswald.

As Carl Jung observed:

The civilized man of today shows these archaic processes as well, and not merely in the form of sporadic "throw-backs" fro the level of modern social life. On the contrary, every civilized human being, whatever his conscious development, is still an archaic [primitive, shamanistic] man in the deeper levels of his psyche.

And no men are so archaic in their thoughts as the future primitives of the left.

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1 Content!

Posted by: TexasDan at November 30, 2015 09:54 AM (QVfCp)

2 >>The Colorado governor says that the Planned Parenthood shooting is due to the rhetoric of "talk radio" and "bloggers." When was the last time we heard a terrorist's actions were inspired by an Imam's hateful rhetoric?

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 09:55 AM (NOIQH)

3 I think I got a free upgrade to AoS platinum with extra words. Not sure I can keep up.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 30, 2015 09:55 AM (QVfCp)

4 5th?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 09:56 AM (AkOaV)

5 Hmm. Well, anyways. Will read content now.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 09:57 AM (AkOaV)

6 Oh, wait --- that's right, it's rhetoric from John McCain and Trump that inspires terrorists, not their mosque leaders preaching 'kill the infidels!'

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 09:58 AM (NOIQH)

7 Carson has to learn that saying something just to hear your own voice is often counter productive

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2015 09:58 AM (gf8BH)

8 I like how the Left blames this murder on the sheer speculation that it was caused by anti-abortion sentiment, while at the same time exalting a g*ddamned motherfucker who actually killed people with a bomb.

Fuck. Them.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 30, 2015 09:58 AM (wtvvX)

9 Blaming right-wing rhetoric is again complaining about free speech - about how some ideas, such as mocking Mohammed or protesting PP are too toxic to be spoken. WTF is THAT all about?

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 09:59 AM (NOIQH)

10 Fuck the left.

Posted by: MacGruber at November 30, 2015 09:59 AM (sgrzZ)

11 Carson can't speak without sticking his foot in his mouth.  Too bad he should know they are out to destroy him anyway.  But the RNCe is certainly hypocritical about this too.

Posted by: Vic[/i]-we have no party at November 30, 2015 09:59 AM (t2KH5)

12 Also, not a bad post, ace. Except the whole Gaia thing. You lost me there. But other than that, well put.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:00 AM (AkOaV)

13 Jeez,  Carl Jung was an effing nut roll.


Posted by: Philemon, Spirit Guide at November 30, 2015 10:01 AM (2oWD2)

14 It is not the truth that matters, but victory.

National Socialist Party Leader
Adolf Hitler

Posted by: huerfano at November 30, 2015 10:01 AM (NSb9d)

15 people working and using pp will have to answer to a greater power than us. let em live on the wild side. it will not end well me thinks.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 30, 2015 10:01 AM (ucDmr)

16 I don't know, the fact that half a billion of our tax money goes to an organization whose sole money producing endeavor is the dismemberment of babies and profiting on the sale of viable organs is murderously enraging. But there is zero evidence that that was the case here. There is literally no concrete information available with regards the Colorado shooter and his actual motives. The only thing that has been released so far has been oblique twaddle the progs have run with. I am fully expecting a full court Jedi mind trick press conference from the DA long on prog cant and short on actual fact. The dude lived in a shack in the woods and was crazy I believe this business about him talking about no more baby parts was a line fed to him and he regurgitated if it happened at all. As Mulder said, Trust no one.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 30, 2015 10:02 AM (7GJvw)

17 This is wonderful, ace. The Colorado governor says that the Planned Parenthood shooting is due to the rhetoric of "talk radio" and "bloggers." I would like an answer to the question as to how the guy heard talk radio and read blogs if, as appears to be the case, he lived in a shack with no electricity and has done so for several years. Let me point out there are a huge number of superstitious about Speaking of Evil: That if an evil is spoken aloud, it might make that evil manifest in the world. Several years back, South Park did an episode in which everyone said shit at a Horde level of usage. IIRC, there was a counter running to show how many times. The point of the show? By saying shit so much, the boys raised a shit monster. Why? Because curse words were once cursed words and the reason shit was a cursed word was because say it enough and the monster would rise. It was brilliant.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 10:03 AM (mf5HN)

18 Oh, back to Carson -- he seems to not know how to talk politicianspeak. Not necessarily a bad thing, though. Like when someone on our side says (when asked), 'well I guess there's a right to privacy implied in the Constitution -- government can't search & seize your shit without a warrant, so..." without realizing that it's a trick set up so the media can say "candidate x agrees with roe v wade which pisses off the mouth breathers in the GOP". I think that's what happened here with Carson -- yes there is heated rhetoric on all sides of every debate. Just saying that should be pretty non controversial. But in this situation, it seems more controversial then it should be because Carson is accepting the medias premise that "rhetoric" had anything to do with what happened in CO. Even though we have no idea, as of right now, what happened in CO and what the guys motivations were. For all we know, his neighbors dog told him to do it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:04 AM (AkOaV)

19 When was the last time we heard a terrorist's actions were inspired by an Imam's hateful rhetoric? Posted by: Lizzy at November 30, 2015 02:55 PM (NOIQH) The left makes no effort to be consistent...

Posted by: Lea at November 30, 2015 10:05 AM (lIU4e)

20 Yes, another double standard. I think the left would say that it's ok for them to encourage violence because they're punching up, or something. They can rationalize anything.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 30, 2015 10:06 AM (E5UB0)

21 As we discover daily, we are deeply religious people, especially those claiming they don't believe.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2015 10:07 AM (oDCMR)

22 BCUZ STFU H8RZ. See what you wingers have wrought? Tea-Bagger dog-whistle blowers!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Brattleboro Women's Health Clinic at November 30, 2015 10:07 AM (ucB75)

23 Carson's right. And do you know what the Colorado Springs PD is calling the shooting? Not Planned Parenthood but #CentennialBlshooting as in the shopping center it happened in. But the press doesn't care - even allegedly right-leaning press all they say is "Planned Parenthood" over and over like a particularly dull parrot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:08 AM (39g3+)

24 Nothing like being Witch-Finder General.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Scapegoats and Sacrificial Lambs in season at the Outrage Outlet! at November 30, 2015 10:08 AM (hLRSq)

25 Note the left really does try to incite violence. The right brings up a point to *convince* other people, and the left attaches a speculative, convoluted chain of possibility leading to violence, declares it a certainty, and uses it as a pretext to ban certain speech.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 30, 2015 10:09 AM (E5UB0)

26 So...all that trashing of doctors Obama did during the Obamacare legislation, about how they amputate the wrong limbs, or take out tonsils for the money, etc. -- that was OK, but don't you dare criticize PP doctors doing procedures for profit!!!

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 10:09 AM (NOIQH)

27 Happy rainy Monday.

Posted by: Beth M at November 30, 2015 10:10 AM (kiy9d)

28 "When was the last time we heard a terrorist's actions were inspired by an Imam's hateful rhetoric? Posted by: Lizzy at November 30, 2015 02:55 PM (NOIQH) The left makes no effort to be consistent..." The left does not care about being consistent or honest. Only winning by any means necessary.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 30, 2015 10:10 AM (OD2ni)

29 Wordy.

Posted by: Garrett at November 30, 2015 10:11 AM (aFpjm)

30 And here's another thought. Let's say we take the left at their word -- that they think that "heated rhetoric" can/will/does lead to violence. Does that mean they're actively trying to get all "right wingers" and "republican extremists" killed? I mean, it's a steady drumbeat from the MSM and D politicians about how "extremists" in the Republican party are anti-government terrorists who hate america. So why is it acceptable then for the media to use such heated rhetoric to describe a large per centage of the American people? Even here, saying "talk radio" and "blogs" led to the CO shooting. Aren't they worried that some pro-abortion "extremist" is going to go hunt down Rush Limbaugh and all bloggers now? Or that they're putting the people who made those PP undercover videos at risk?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:11 AM (AkOaV)

31 Incidentally the left is claiming - get this - that Planned Parenthood hacking up babies and selling the parts isn't really selling because they only get "operating costs" out of the sales. See, its not sales because they don't make a profit! Mind you, that's nonsense, because they are making extra money out of it - hello lambourghini - but to define sales as exclusively something you make a profit out of is a stupid too far even for leftist economic comprehension.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:11 AM (39g3+)

32 BCUZ STFU H8RZ. See what you wingers have wrought? Tea-Bagger dog-whistle blowers!
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Brattleboro Women's Health Clinic at
November 30, 2015 03:07 PM

Excuse me, we're from the Memes and Socks Quality Control Department. Could we have a word?

Posted by: DOS Goat at November 30, 2015 10:12 AM (TQD6K)

33 We must stop the hateful generation and dissemination of free speech. We should begin by shutting down this blog and sending everyone on it to intensive multiday diversity workshops. We must stop hate speech! Even if it kills you!

Posted by: Concerned Socially Concious Warrior for Justice at November 30, 2015 10:12 AM (Ltj2h)

34 Fuck this stupidity in particular.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 10:12 AM (MbrzC)

35 I hear that Sarah Palin used her mysterious hair rays to incite Donald Trump to denounce a NYT reported leading to Ben Carson going back in time to leak the Planned Parenthood videos so that an off-the-grid lunatic could find himself in a climate of hate leading to this inevitable right-wing massacre at a woman's health provider. Vox will explain this all in detail, don't worry.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Scapegoats and Sacrificial Lambs in season at the Outrage Outlet! at November 30, 2015 10:12 AM (hLRSq)

36 It is not the truth that matters, but victory. And that is the problem with pretty much all things political. As we're seeing with all of the false-but-accurate MFM memes here lately (1-in-5, Hands up...). If we don't start using, seeing and recognizing some truth here real soon, we're really gonna be in trouble, moreso than we already are.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy[/b][/s][/u][/i] at November 30, 2015 10:13 AM (LUgeY)

37 "I find this part of the left's broader mission of shutting down any thought of which they don't approve. The left routinely -- reflexively -- links any sort of political thought they don't like into a dire real-world consequence or crime . . . ," Ace mansplained.

Posted by: rebel flounder at November 30, 2015 10:14 AM (3dOE/)

38 Meanwhile organizations like Black Lives Matter, Black Panthers, Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, and Al Sharpton's... whatever the hell he has in NYC all specifically, deliberately, and repeatedly call for violence.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:14 AM (39g3+)

39 2. It has become de rigeur on the left to claim that some political thoughts -- coincidentally, all of which are political thoughts hated by the left -- must simply be abandoned in order to forestall any possibility of violence. So let's just take a page from their book, and quote John Kerry to boot by saying "Planned Parenthood caused offense to this transgendered activist and deserved what it got. We must ban Planned Parenthood to avoid causing further offense and related violence. Thank you."

Posted by: Iblis at November 30, 2015 10:14 AM (9221z)

40 Pretty sure this attack was caused by a YouTubeVideo. Settled Science.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2015 10:15 AM (oDCMR)

41 start a rumor that the crazy dud said "Allahu Akbar", and suddenly his motive won't seem to clear to them

Posted by: Ben H at November 30, 2015 10:15 AM (gJEsZ)

42 How can Gov. Chickenfucker or the DOJ comment on any of this when the investigation has been sealed?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 30, 2015 10:15 AM (hy5nE)

43 Just remember - the uptick in violence against officers has nothing to do with BLM and it's rhetoric.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 30, 2015 10:15 AM (fWAjv)

44 I like Barry Obama's driving metaphor better.  Slurpies, barrow pits, republicans with road rage, and transmission problems.

It's like the Butterfly Effect for political retards.

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2015 10:15 AM (UzPAd)

45 The American left, broadly defined, lacks any belief system other than a technocratic belief in perfection by government action. They don't believe in God, they believe in Collective Action driven by Scientific Consensus. Yet, most of them have no idea what the hell they are talking about. They are no better than villagers trying to throw maidens into active volcanoes in hopes the volcano mollified and the island saved.

Posted by: MTF at November 30, 2015 10:15 AM (TxJGV)

46 Or maybe this attack was caused by an election brochure?

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2015 10:16 AM (oDCMR)

47 I read that Sarah Palin drew a target on Planned Parenthood and that made Ted Cruz filibuster baby food so that Rush Limbaugh could afford more drugs while talking about how Donald Trump is a racist who hates cripples.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:17 AM (39g3+)

48 What are the odds that petroleum people are behind this? C'mon, lets get real.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2015 10:17 AM (oDCMR)

49 They don't believe in God, they believe in Collective Action driven by Scientific Consensus. Which strangely enough is what Hitler was all on about.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:18 AM (39g3+)

50 I'm a lifelong Republican, but there is no question that hateful rhetoric from the far-right extremists incites violence. I still cannot believe that Sarah Palin wasn't charged in the shooting of Ms. Giffords. And it is just a matter of time before Trump's racist, anti-immigrant tirades turn deadly.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at November 30, 2015 10:18 AM (Ui7Rt)

51 By saying shit so much, the boys raised a shit monster.[/]

In many ways, this is the story of Obama.

Posted by: physics geek at November 30, 2015 10:19 AM (MT22W)

Posted by: physics geek at November 30, 2015 10:19 AM (MT22W)

53 Did that close the tag? Ugh. Now the Barrel is hungry again.

Posted by: physics geek at November 30, 2015 10:19 AM (MT22W)

54 Dallas was the City of Hate because it was too hard to accept the truth that a Marxist after their own hearts blew Kennedy's head off.

Posted by: x at November 30, 2015 10:19 AM (57fhp)

55 and again, just to remind everyone -- we still have no idea what this guys motivation was, only that he was in a planned parenthood and was shooting at people in a parking lot from inside the building. Not shooting people in the building, mind you. Shooting the people outside.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:20 AM (AkOaV)

56 Chumming the barrel will only bring more pain.

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2015 10:20 AM (UzPAd)

57 Now the Barrel is hungry again.

Posted by: physics geek at November 30, 2015 03:19 PM (MT22W)



Yessssss

Posted by: The Barrel at November 30, 2015 10:20 AM (FsuaD)

58 this poast is a collection of microagressions and an exercise in white privilege...

i demand it be taken down immediately!

AoSHQ must be a safe space for all poasters!

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 30, 2015 10:20 AM (7+yyM)

59 Great post, Ace. What's sad is that all of us likely predicted exactly how the MSM and politicians would handle the PP shooter as soon as we saw that there was a stand-off in progress on the news. The Left is nothing if not predictable in its mendacity.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 10:20 AM (NOIQH)

60 This topic is very difficult for me. On one hand, I don't think walking in to a clinic and shooting everyone is a good thing. On the other hand, they are murdering babies. And what do normal people do to stop a killer from murdering someone? Do we try to persuade them from being a murderer, or do we take firmer action? ISIS is killing and chopping up people by the thousands. And we are (rightly in my mind) intent on killing them in order to wipe them out. Planned Parenthood is killing and chopping up people by the millions. And we are supposed to feel bad when they are visited by an evil that pales in comparison to their own? I fully understand and agree with the prohibition on advocating for criminal acts on a site. Both for the blog owner's protection and our own. However, I do not feel the slightest bit of sympathy for abortionists and their co-workers when they meet the same fate they delivered to the defenseless. They all could get the Tiller Treatment, and I would not care a whit. The only thing that I object to are the innocent outside the temple of Moloch that are hurt in the process. But that crazy guy in Colorado Springs, I don't think he was trying to fight PP, he was just an evil nut who did some evil shit. That is of course based on no real information and my unqualified opinion.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 30, 2015 10:21 AM (UPYPp)

61 A few nights ago, on the LOCAL news, in Columbus, Ohio  (Fox News, no less)  the lead item on the 11 pm news was the shooting in Colorado Springs, and then they interviewed the local manager of a Planned Parenthood location, talking up all the inherent violence in the system.

She was, of course, a late- middle aged, soft spoken disseminator of their propaganda.   You've seen the type before.

The lead item.  You mean, this was not a local story?

I'm sure this was a spontaneous bit of programming on the part of the news station.  Uh-huh.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 30, 2015 10:21 AM (RFeQD)

62 Carson's comments ignore the simple (and unmentioned) fact that a baby dies at each and every one of those procedures. Every single one of them. I'm still waiting for someone to say, "Well, what about the baby's right to live?" It's not just the mother's life at stake: she'll probably live, the baby definitely won't. Yet that unignorable fact remains. We are talking life and death here. At least some are.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy[/b][/s][/u][/i] at November 30, 2015 10:21 AM (LUgeY)

63 Did someone speak of me? Here I appear.

Posted by: Shelley Duvall at November 30, 2015 10:21 AM (E5UB0)

64 >>The Colorado governor says that the Planned Parenthood shooting is due to the rhetoric of "talk radio" and "bloggers." CNN has been dabbling with this all day long. Of course, it doesn't help when the Attorney General, the top cop of the US of A, comes out and calls this a crime against women with exactly zero evidence. By the way, 2 of the 3 killed were men and did not appear to be pre-op trannies.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2015 10:21 AM (/tuJf)

65 I would like an answer to the question as to how the guy heard talk radio and read blogs if, as appears to be the case, he lived in a shack with no electricity and has done so for several years. Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 03:03 PM (mf5HN) Been asking that all weekend, the only answer possible seems to be Fen's Law.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at November 30, 2015 10:21 AM (bLnSU)

66 Not shooting people in the building, mind you. Shooting the people outside. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 03:20 PM (AkOaV) She was confused

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 30, 2015 10:22 AM (QPdNE)

67 Ohhhhhh lookit at the fancy Barrel save Mr. Fancy Pants. I really really really want someone to respond to this with "Excuse me, but isn't the best information we have that he lived in a house with no electricity? How, exactly and precisely, was he exposed to this rhetoric? Did Monsanto use chemtrails to put it in the air, like it does with it's airborne gluten?" Also which of you was it that had the co-worker who no shit thought Monsanto was putting airborne gluten into the air because that is one of the most hilarious and hilariously depressing things I've ever read.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 10:22 AM (mf5HN)

68 Crichton wrote about the false nature of Science corrupted by politics. This lecture he gave is accessible (easy reading) and it is damning. Idiot lefties follow the same playbook over and over, and no "means" are beyond the pale if the "ends" are just. Everything lefties touch, including Science, is corrupted as a result. Eventually, they always get to mass murder (for the good of Gaia, the children and the middle class!!). http://bit.ly/1lUONjt

Posted by: MTF at November 30, 2015 10:22 AM (TxJGV)

69 Great post, Ace. I agree completely about the left's magical thinking and cult-like behavior. The way they make their low level cultists deliberately alienate their families (as you parodied brilliantly this TG) is another cultish behavior. Cults isolate their followers from family and non-cult friends.

Posted by: @votermom at November 30, 2015 10:22 AM (VXOfH)

70 Now is a good time to link to the statement from the OK Wesleyan university president (on the sidebar) for those who haven't read it - it is so worth your time: http://www.okwu.edu/blog/2015/11/this-is-not-a-day-care-its-a-university/

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 10:23 AM (NOIQH)

71 As the shooting was occurring, I *knew* what The Narrative would be. 

The left never disappoints.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 30, 2015 10:23 AM (FsuaD)

72 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 03:20 PM (AkOaV) Oh I know that. That's why I am messing around with it.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Scapegoats and Sacrificial Lambs in season at the Outrage Outlet! at November 30, 2015 10:23 AM (hLRSq)

73 Not shooting people in the building, mind you. Shooting the people outside. That's how I understand it. We only have one comment by the PD that this guy said something about no more hacked up babies, but then, we only have the one PD comment about him being transgender as well. The 24 hour rule is becoming the 24 day rule, so much nonsense and speculation floating around about this. What seems pretty clear is that he wasn't targeting Planned Parenthood with his shooting, whatever his motivations. What's also clear is that if this had happened at a Shoe Barn, the press wouldn't have shown up in droves and nobody would be calling it the #ShoeBarnShooting

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:23 AM (39g3+)

74 As with all things, the Left is projecting. Consider, for example, doxxing or the publishing of, say, George Zimmerman's address. What they expect to happen, of course, is for some nut to hurt Zimmerman. Oh, they'll claim it's about maybe peaceful protests but they are the ones who do most of the protesting. Quite a few of them love it when a few "rogue" elements get a little "out of hand."

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2015 10:23 AM (Xd2w5)

75 However, I do not feel the slightest bit of sympathy for abortionists and their co-workers when they meet the same fate they delivered to the defenseless. Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 30, 2015 03:21 PM (UPYPp) Well, no one who worked at or as a patient of PP was shot at, injured, or killed. Only people in the parking lot, including cops.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:24 AM (AkOaV)

76 By the way, 2 of the 3 killed were men and did not appear to be pre-op trannies.
Posted by: JackStraw

You seem to be injecting objective facts into this narrative, citizen.

This could draw the attention of Those Who Watch Over Us All.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 30, 2015 10:24 AM (RFeQD)

77 Ace doesn't want us using the word "d#ck" on the blog not because of advertiser sensitivity but because he's afraid everyone reading reading the post will turn into a mallard.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at November 30, 2015 10:24 AM (xodPA)

78 - The Witchsmeller Pursuivant: [Edmund is on trial, accused of being a witch] And Prince Edmund, I believe you have a pussy cat? Prince Edmund: That's right, yes. The Witchsmeller Pursuivant: Awww. Its name is Bubbles? Prince Edmund: Yes, that's the one. The Witchsmeller Pursuivant: Or to give it its full name,[shouts] BEELZEBUBBLES!

Posted by: irright at November 30, 2015 10:25 AM (zxnPQ)

79 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 03:23 PM (39g3+) An anonymous source said the baby parts thing, I believe. So who knows. And yeah, it's far from clear that this guy was targeting planned parenthood.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:26 AM (AkOaV)

80 Hi Ace. We missed you.

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 30, 2015 10:26 AM (FfVIs)

81 So, a guy jumped over the White House fence and was caught by the Secret Service. Some wag on Twitter quips: It would be cruel to send him back over the fence. He made it over. He should get to live there now. I agree. All he wants is a better life for himself. He wants to enjoy the riches and safety the White House offers, and it is loving and proper that he be allowed to stay.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:26 AM (39g3+)

82 >>Consider, for example, doxxing or the publishing of, say, George Zimmerman's address. Or publishing Prop 8 donor list and CC permit holder's info in a user-friendly online map format.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 10:27 AM (NOIQH)

83 I think that's what happened here with Carson -- yes there is heated rhetoric on all sides of every debate. Just saying that should be pretty non controversial. But in this situation, it seems more controversial then it should be because Carson is accepting the medias premise that "rhetoric" had anything to do with what happened in CO. But Carson does this ALL THE TIME. He accepts the liberal premise with every controversy.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2015 10:27 AM (Xd2w5)

84 And so on. As I say, the left's own hot rhetoric -- that we need to reduce the human population to save us from global warming; The left may want to be careful spouting that bs, lest they give us ideas. I know of 52% that we can eliminate.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 10:27 AM (FeRav)

85 6 years later, the Obama administration can't figure out the motive behind the Ft Hood attack but they knew within minutes the motive behind this shooting.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2015 10:27 AM (/tuJf)

86 At the end of the day, those who are gleefully pointing out that the shooter supposedly said something about "no more baby parts", (as if that proves something horrible about their political opponents)...at the end of the day those people are merely pointing out that they are therefore in favor of more baby parts. That is ultimately on their souls.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 30, 2015 10:28 AM (NeFrd)

87 and again, just to remind everyone -- we still have no idea what this guys motivation was, only that he was in a planned parenthood and was shooting at people in a parking lot from inside the building. Not shooting people in the building, mind you. Shooting the people outside. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 03:20 PM (AkOaV) I'm really really really comfortable with assuming this guy was batshit and I'll inch out onto the limb that he'll make Tiny Dick McLoser Boy who killed the judge and the little girl and shot Gabby Giffords look like a paragon of sanity. I think that the transgender thing is from his voter registration showing as female not male. Not to be all gendernorm and other such horrible things, but I'm also comfortable going out on the limb that anyone with that beard isn't identifying as female.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 10:28 AM (mf5HN)

88 Sadly. I've reached the point in this debate where I cannot comment truthfully for fear of the hammer, and confirming the worst projections of the Left, but mostly, the hammer.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 30, 2015 10:28 AM (evdj2)

89 But Carson does this ALL THE TIME. He accepts the liberal premise with every controversy. Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2015 03:27 PM (Xd2w5) Right. He does not seem to understand that you cannot accept their premises and that you don't have to answer their questions. I don't know. It's frustrating.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:28 AM (AkOaV)

90 Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 03:22 PM (mf5HN) In a double-secret Black Ops program a crack American agent had internet ready fillings installed so that he could communicate with NSA spy satellites and would not be seen carrying any communications gear. He then went deep undercover, real deep sleeper-cell like. Unfortunately, the fillings were not done correctly and the beams from a malfunction microwave in a gas station scrambled the circuits leading to miscommunication, the agent ending up in Colorado, not Syria, and shooting from a Planned Parenthood, not at ISIS leadership. A burn notice has been sent.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Scapegoats and Sacrificial Lambs in season at the Outrage Outlet! at November 30, 2015 10:29 AM (hLRSq)

91 The Colorado governor says that the Planned Parenthood shooting is due to the rhetoric of "talk radio" and "bloggers." What does he think this is, 2006? The Dems need some new smears. Hickenlooper might as well have blamed the telegraph and VHS.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2015 10:30 AM (Xd2w5)

92 A say it backwards variant from my morning paper too stupid to ignore.

http://tinyurl.com/nbu23wx

Russian crackdown on Muslims fuels exodus to Islamic State

Surveillance causes them to go jihadi apparently.  Same clown-nose physics that causes watched pots to boil.




Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 30, 2015 10:30 AM (DL2i+)

93 "Pretty sure this attack was caused by a YouTubeVideo. Settled Science." Maybe he got an advanced copy of that naked Amy Schumer picture that I see circulating on Twitter. Shudders.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 30, 2015 10:31 AM (OD2ni)

94 In a double-secret Black Ops program a crack American agent had internet ready fillings installed so that he could communicate with NSA spy satellites and would not be seen carrying any communications gear. He then went deep undercover, real deep sleeper-cell like. Unfortunately, the fillings were not done correctly and the beams from a malfunction microwave in a gas station scrambled the circuits leading to miscommunication, the agent ending up in Colorado, not Syria, and shooting from a Planned Parenthood, not at ISIS leadership. A burn notice has been sent. Posted by: Mikey NTH - Scapegoats and Sacrificial Lambs in season at the Outrage Outlet! at November 30, 2015 03:29 PM (hLRSq) Actually, given what some of those who lived by him said, that might be what he thinks.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 10:31 AM (mf5HN)

95 >>Not to be all gendernorm and other such horrible things, but I'm also comfortable going out on the limb that anyone with that beard isn't identifying as female. Sounds like he has always been a cray-cray black sheep in a family that provided enough wealth for him to do his off-the-grid thing without income issues. NOT a pro-life activist at all. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/ interesting_family_background_of_the_ colorado_springs_shooter.html

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 10:31 AM (NOIQH)

96 If I am understanding things correctly, the left blames Rush Limbaugh for crazy people that kill three people and mumblemumblemumble for Democrat-machine run cities being hellholes that kill thousands.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 10:31 AM (659DL)

97 Or publishing Prop 8 donor list and CC permit holder's info in a user-friendly online map format.
Posted by: Lizzy


When you own the Media and the ability to form the Narrative, then you get to make all kinds of rules up as you go along, and maybe you get a slap on the wrist, with a wry  "Now don't do that again!"   from the so-called Authorities in Law Enforcement.

We live in a land where the Rule of Law is evaporating.  Some people, in years to come, will call this The Burning Time.  And depending on the outcome,  some people will say nothing at all, because it will be double-plus ungood to speak up.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at November 30, 2015 10:31 AM (RFeQD)

98 87: " Not to be all gendernorm and other such horrible things, but I'm also comfortable going out on the limb that anyone with that beard isn't identifying as female." Perhaps he identifies as one of the bearded ladies of old?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 30, 2015 10:31 AM (UPYPp)

99 nobody would be calling it the #ShoeBarnShooting **** Well, if it weren't for all the right wing radio talk shows going on about welfare recipients being loafers, this never would have happened.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 30, 2015 10:31 AM (NeFrd)

100 I think that the transgender thing is from his voter registration showing as female not male. I think the checked the box for female on his voter registration as a "fuck you" to the state sticking its nose in his business.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at November 30, 2015 10:31 AM (xodPA)

101 I'm really really really comfortable with assuming this guy was batshit and I'll inch out onto the limb that he'll make Tiny Dick McLoser Boy who killed the judge and the little girl and shot Gabby Giffords look like a paragon of sanity. I think that the transgender thing is from his voter registration showing as female not male. Not to be all gendernorm and other such horrible things, but I'm also comfortable going out on the limb that anyone with that beard isn't identifying as female. Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN) I'd agree with the batshit crazy diagnosis, and posit Bonnie here was after Chase, and stumbled into PP when the voices stopped making sense.

Posted by: Iblis at November 30, 2015 10:31 AM (9221z)

102 Meh, Carson is just answering the question he's asked rather than the question he should be answering. What I mean is this: don't answer the question the media wants to ask, answer what you want the media to report. That's politics 101. Very few people are really good at that - Reagan was, Bill Clinton is, Fiorina is - but its what it takes to control the media in a campaign. If you can turn every question and statement into a positive for your campaign, you're really good at the job of running for office.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:32 AM (39g3+)

103 92 They get angry that you think they might go jihadi,so they go jihadi.Makes sense.

Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2015 10:32 AM (8HTq1)

104 >> just like they dress up their Goddess Earth Or they dress up a phenomonal athlete and call it a woman. As for the abortion rhetoric, has anyone considered not slaughtering babies? Fuck them.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 30, 2015 10:32 AM (FFJtw)

105 Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2015 03:30 PM (Xd2w5) Try mid 1990's and Bill Clinton blaming the Murrah Building bombing on Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Scapegoats and Sacrificial Lambs in season at the Outrage Outlet! at November 30, 2015 10:32 AM (hLRSq)

106 Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 03:28 PM (mf5HN) The transgender thing as far as I know is only from his voter reg card which has him as a "female" which could just be a mistake when he checked the box on the form. I'm not prepared to read in to that TOO deeply yet. But yes, if I were a betting man I'd go with "nutjob, possibly schizo, definitely off any meds that he had been prescribed" over "evangelical Christian who was against abortion". But it won't matter, the media has their narrative. They will just not report on anything that hurts it. For example, that leftist Joe Stack guy who flew a plane in the IRS building in TX is still on every list of "right wing terrorists" put out by the government and SPLC etc. etc. Even though his "manifesto" seemed to highly suggest that he was far-left, his family said he was a democrat, and the reason he targeted the IRS was that they were about to seize his assets for failure to pay taxes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:32 AM (AkOaV)

107 But what about Sarah Palin literally painting a target on the middle of Gabby Gifford's forehead?
 
Can you still deny that, you stupid wingnuts?

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at November 30, 2015 10:32 AM (gyKtp)

108 Exactly how many African American community leaders are there for craps sake?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2015 10:32 AM (/tuJf)

109 I think that the transgender thing is from his voter registration showing as female not male. I think the checked the box for female on his voter registration as a "fuck you" to the state sticking its nose in his business. I think he just liked riding the meat wagon.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 10:33 AM (FeRav)

110 The only impartial jurors they are gonna find in Baltimore are idiots and liars...some fair trail ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2015 10:33 AM (gf8BH)

111 Case is sealed. It's so much worse than we know for the Marxists infesting our governments.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 30, 2015 10:33 AM (hy5nE)

112 The dude lived in a shack in the woods

Renowned for it's wi-fi connectivity.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 30, 2015 10:33 AM (DL2i+)

113 Actually, given what some of those who lived by him said, that might be what he thinks. Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 03:31 PM (mf5HN) He could think he's the Peppermint Princess of Candy Land for all we know.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Scapegoats and Sacrificial Lambs in season at the Outrage Outlet! at November 30, 2015 10:34 AM (hLRSq)

114 Generally speaking, it seems like everything is politicized these days and even disagreements over the smallest things are now personal. So I understand Dr. Carson's comments from that angle. But I honestly have not really seen any particularly hateful comments from pro-lifers on social media. I rarely ever do.  

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at November 30, 2015 10:34 AM (YjDyJ)

115 That is ultimately on their souls. I'll never forgive the Coward Chaffetz for not putting a wooden stake in the heart of PP at the hearings a few months back. He had the venue, he had the issue, he had the big-screen TV and the head of PP right in front of him, ready to devour. And he did not do it. He could've showed the results of an abortion and shown the left and the rest of the world what we permit to happen to the weakest among us. That would've been the only thing needed to permanently change the abortion argument once and for all. Against it, where public sentiment belongs. No so-called civilized society should allow it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy[/b][/s][/u][/i] at November 30, 2015 10:34 AM (LUgeY)

116 100 I think that the transgender thing is from his voter registration showing as female not male. I think the checked the box for female on his voter registration as a "fuck you" to the state sticking its nose in his business. Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2015 03:31 PM (xodPA) So what, run with it. The copy writes itself. PP oppressed a transjenner, and suffers the tragic, yet predictable consequences.

Posted by: Iblis at November 30, 2015 10:34 AM (9221z)

117 We live in a land where the Rule of Law is evaporating. First proof of that is how many new laws are passed each year. The more laws a society has, the more lawless it has become. A law abiding, virtuous society does not need laws to define right and wrong or control behavior.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:35 AM (39g3+)

118 Mmm. Meat wagon.

Posted by: homer simpson at November 30, 2015 10:35 AM (xodPA)

119 The Left is still pushing the meme that JFK was shot because the city of Dallas was really conservative, or something. Nevermind it was an actual Communist who defected to the Soviet Union that was usually seen handing out Marxist propaganda. When was the last time anyone said a Leftist killed JFK?

Posted by: Coolio at November 30, 2015 10:35 AM (RN4we)

120 If you wish to go into politics or journalism there are four things you must know (1) Projection, (2) Denial, (3) Deflection, and (4) Whitey is always the enemy. Do that and you could win a Prize or the Presidency or both!

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2015 10:36 AM (oDCMR)

121 Lib Economist Blames Income Inequality For Rise of ISIS The left with blame anything except for the obvious, ISIS religion. Weasel Zippers But abortion!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 30, 2015 10:36 AM (gf8BH)

122 Doh!

Posted by: homer simpson at November 30, 2015 10:36 AM (xodPA)

123 Obama would have used the shooting in his jihad against the 2nd Amendment anyway.That it had anything to do with PP is just bonus points.

Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2015 10:36 AM (8HTq1)

124 good point about environmentalists wanting a lot fewer people living on the earth. i had been thinking that the hundreds of thousands of people killed in syria was a result of president supergenius being arogant, incurious, feckless and incompetent. i should have realized that he is playing 3 dimensional chess and is dozens of moves ahead of we mere mortals by reducing the human population to a more sustainable level.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at November 30, 2015 10:36 AM (WjVx8)

125 We live in a land where the Rule of Law is evaporating. First proof of that is how many new laws are passed each year. The more laws a society has, the more lawless it has become. A law abiding, virtuous society does not need laws to define right and wrong or control behavior. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 03:35 PM (39g3+) Everybody! All together now! Delegation doctrine, do you speak it! The laws are bad enough. It's Borg takeover of the regulatory state that has heaved the United States into being Rule of Men, not laws.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 10:37 AM (mf5HN)

126 The Left is still pushing the meme that JFK was shot because the city of Dallas was really conservative, or something. Stolen from the plot of a Stephen King book by the way. They take fiction and make it fact somehow.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 10:37 AM (659DL)

127 For example, that leftist Joe Stack guy who flew a plane in the IRS building in TX is still on every list of "right wing terrorists" put out by the government and SPLC etc. etc. Or the census worker with the carved up forehead. There's been, what, 500 different events they've tried to pin on the right wing and maybe 1 or 2 have come close?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:37 AM (39g3+)

128 By saying shit so much,
the boys raised a shit monster.


Some meekrob for AtC.

 http://tinyurl.com/ou8vyx7

 

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 30, 2015 10:37 AM (DL2i+)

129 http://tinyurl.com/olu2ehp

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 30, 2015 10:38 AM (DL2i+)

130 The transgender thing as far as I know is only from his voter reg card which has him as a "female" which could just be a mistake when he checked the box on the form. I'm not prepared to read in to that TOO deeply yet. I'm tired of playing by the left's rules for us, am am starting to play by their own rules. They were dancing in the blood before he was even caught. So yeah, Ill go there with zero retractions if I'm wrong. Dude is light in the loafers.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 10:38 AM (FeRav)

131
 http://tinyurl.com/p6aq8bf

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 30, 2015 10:38 AM (DL2i+)

132
revenge

 http://tinyurl.com/qgtfvoo

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 30, 2015 10:38 AM (DL2i+)

133 >> I think that the transgender thing is from his voter registration showing as female not male. He wasn't wearing tactical assault pumps?

Posted by: Garrett at November 30, 2015 10:38 AM (aFpjm)

134 So, does that mean that the mayors of Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit are all right wing hate mongers? Cause it sure seems like the most violence and killing happens in those three locales. Or is it really that all those black folks listen to Rush and get all het up? Hard to believe it, but it must be true.... Oh, wait. No. It isn't.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 30, 2015 10:38 AM (+YMhA)

135 Didn't Gilligan have the same thing happen to his fillings when a coconut struck him in the head?  If memory serves, he was picking up ham radio out of Honolulu.

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2015 10:39 AM (UzPAd)

136 I think the checked the box for female on his voter registration as a "fuck you" to the state sticking its nose in his business. Something like that. Either he didn't pay attention (I liked the good old days when voter registration was a minor annoyance and there wasn't somebody on every street corner trying to register you) or did it on a lark or whatever. The real thing is, what's the clerk going to say? "Excuse me, sir, I think you made a mistake here." "How dare you! Just because I have a Grizzly Adams beard doesn't mean I can't identify as a woman! You cisnormative monster!" Of course, I think we should just Cloward-Piven the whole thing and have unremarkable men start identifying as female athletes.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2015 10:39 AM (Xd2w5)

137 It's those fucking bloggers. Tell me anytime there has been trouble and I'll show you a blogger. How long can we tolerate these unlicensed, grenade-throwing writers to continue to stir up emotions? The police need to use their knight sticks and beat some social conformance into these would-be hippies.

Posted by: jwest at November 30, 2015 10:40 AM (Zs4uk)

138 Or the census worker with the carved up forehead. There's been, what, 500 different events they've tried to pin on the right wing and maybe 1 or 2 have come close? Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 03:37 PM (39g3+) Yep, I believe that one's still listed too. Thats how you get "there have been more right wing domestic terrorist attacks than Muslim terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11!!!" Just call everyone a "right wing domestic terrorist" and there you go.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:40 AM (AkOaV)

139 Nevermind it was an actual Communist who defected to the Soviet Union that was usually seen handing out Marxist propaganda. I think that more than anything else is the driving force behind the bizarre and enduring conspiracy theories surrounding JFK's murder. They just cannot accept that their leftist messiah was whacked by a fellow traveler. Not that they'd like JFK now anyway. They'd think he was an evil heartless god-bothering right wing extremist today.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:40 AM (39g3+)

140 I agree with just running with the transgender thing. And Caitlin Jenner killed someone while texting. Why are transgender people so dangerous?

Posted by: Coolio at November 30, 2015 10:40 AM (RN4we)

141 Bernie Sanders will make socialism work because he has a better grasp of it than Hugo Chavez.
 
*practicing my magical thinking skillz*

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at November 30, 2015 10:41 AM (gyKtp)

142 Oh, and you may TRY to shut me up, but in all my 54 years, nobody has been able to do so. I doubt it would take, in my case.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 30, 2015 10:41 AM (+YMhA)

143 Mmm. Ham.

Posted by: homer simpson at November 30, 2015 10:41 AM (xodPA)

144 I wish, with all my heart, that all these crazed, armed, psychotropic drug eaters, would target the media. Then we would see some honest reporting. Until then, we will have to make do with 'more porridge, please' reporting.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2015 10:41 AM (oDCMR)

145 And Caitlin Jenner killed someone while texting. Why are transgender people so dangerous? Posted by: Coolio at November 30, 2015 03:40 PM (RN4we) Way too self-absorbed to see anyone else in their path? Just a guess.

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 30, 2015 10:42 AM (+YMhA)

146 The transgender thing as far as I know is only from his voter reg card which has him as a "female" which could just be a mistake when he checked the box on the form. I'm not prepared to read in to that TOO deeply yet. Whoa there. What are you doing questioning XER's choice to choose XER gender? The Left is desperate to make Baby Butchers the designated Victim. But perhaps we need to examine whether BB discriminated against a transgender person who needed woman's health services.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 30, 2015 10:42 AM (0NdlF)

147 So what, run with it. The copy writes itself. PP oppressed a transjenner, and suffers the tragic, yet predictable consequences. He just wanted his ObamaCare Pap Smear and snapped when he couldn't get it.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 10:42 AM (FeRav)

148 Just call everyone a "right wing domestic terrorist" and there you go. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 03:40 PM (AkOaV) That would cut down on the number of categories you got to fill out for those FBI crime stats.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Scapegoats and Sacrificial Lambs in season at the Outrage Outlet! at November 30, 2015 10:42 AM (hLRSq)

149 If everyone would just wear a tinfoil hat, then no evil word or thoughts have any power.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 30, 2015 10:43 AM (6Ll1u)

150 That would cut down on the number of categories you got to fill out for those FBI crime stats. Posted by: Mikey NTH - Scapegoats and Sacrificial Lambs in season at the Outrage Outlet! at November 30, 2015 03:42 PM (hLRSq) Well, I think they have 2: "Motivation unknown" and "Right-wing domestic terrorist." Everything falls in to one of those two categories.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:43 AM (AkOaV)

151 The left, of course, ignores this (and ignores how this liberal spirit of speech kept their own brethren, and even they themselves, out of jail for decades), and wishes to use this sort of "ideas = murder" equation to attack its enemies. "When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles."

Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 30, 2015 10:44 AM (evdj2)

152 Her hair is Harlow gold Her lips are sweet surprise Her hands are never cold She got Grizzly Adams beard

Posted by: kim carnes (perhaps) at November 30, 2015 10:44 AM (xodPA)

153 Everything falls in to one of those two categories. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 03:43 PM (AkOaV) You left out "workplace violence." It comes right before "Nothing to see here, move along."

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 30, 2015 10:44 AM (+YMhA)

154 >>I wish, with all my heart, that all these crazed, armed, psychotropic drug eaters, would target the media. Then we would see some honest reporting. Until then, we will have to make do with 'more porridge, please' reporting. The dude in South Carolina ( or Georgia or wherever it was ) that shot the reporter while she was on the air was an African American who was constantly complaining, and sometimes suing, that he was being discriminated against just for being black. So he murdered a white reporter and a white producer. That storied was never really reported accurately and slipped beneath the waves in a couple days.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2015 10:44 AM (/tuJf)

155 Oh, and you may TRY to shut me up, but in all my 54 years, nobody has been able to do so. I doubt it would take, in my case. Posted by: tcn in AK at November 30, 2015 03:41 PM (+YMhA) Would you like some of my brother's (WHO TOTALLY EXISTS BC) chocolate chip caramel cookie pie?

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 10:44 AM (mf5HN)

156 144: "Then we would see some honest reporting." No we wouldn't. It will still be all our fault.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 30, 2015 10:45 AM (UPYPp)

157 "Motivation unknown" ALLAH AKBAR!

Posted by: Mysteriously Motivated Murderer at November 30, 2015 10:45 AM (0NdlF)

158 The transgender thing as far as I know is only from his voter reg card which has him as a "female" which could just be a mistake when he checked the box on the form. I'm not prepared to read in to that TOO deeply yet.

When I fill out warranty cards, questionnaire type things that ask for your race, I usually fill in other.

Posted by: Bruce at November 30, 2015 10:46 AM (8ikIW)

159 yeah, well-said, but forget ( or don't read ) anything/everything Jung ever said.  Dude was the Pompatus of Being Wrong and Just Making Sh*t Up.


Freud could bullsh*t; Jung out-bullsh*tted Sigmund

Posted by: Lou Reed, life coach to the stars at November 30, 2015 10:46 AM (8CdUx)

160 Youths of indeterminate race.

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at November 30, 2015 10:46 AM (evdj2)

161 Would you like some of my brother's (WHO TOTALLY EXISTS BC) chocolate chip caramel cookie pie? Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 03:44 PM (mf5HN) Holy crap! Who wouldn't? That could probably fuel a three day rant right there!

Posted by: tcn in AK at November 30, 2015 10:46 AM (+YMhA)

162 Well, I think they have 2: "Motivation unknown" and "Right-wing domestic terrorist." Hey, its not so easy to figure out what all these bearded guys with Arabic names yelling "allahu akhbar" have in common! https://youtu.be/Rd8cRvZZv44

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:46 AM (39g3+)

163 The dude in South Carolina ( or Georgia or wherever it was ) that shot the reporter while she was on the air.. --- Virginia.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 10:47 AM (MbrzC)

164 Mmm. Chocolate chip caramel cookie pie. Mmm. AtC.

Posted by: homer simpson at November 30, 2015 10:47 AM (xodPA)

165 It's a purple state - you have to assume that the possibility exists that someone registered him based on a record from some sort of outreach or welfare function. They just run the spreadsheet over to the registrar and pick up their free toaster for OFA. Accuracy be damned, its a toaster.

Posted by: Reggie at November 30, 2015 10:47 AM (fBkaR)

166 >>Why are transgender people so dangerous? Have you seen the price of supportive undergarments? It's enough to drive a man who identifies as a woman crazy. Not to mention all the coverage Thai LadyBoys get in the press. Serious, you guys... Transgender body shaming is the second biiggest threat facing our nation.

Posted by: Garrett at November 30, 2015 10:47 AM (aFpjm)

167 Left my old Reggie sock on, why does it hurt to sit down?

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2015 10:47 AM (fBkaR)

168 Holy crap! Who wouldn't? That could probably fuel a three day rant right there! Posted by: tcn in AK at November 30, 2015 03:46 PM (+YMhA) There was salted caramel ice cream and Heath bar ice cream to go on top of it.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 10:48 AM (mf5HN)

169 165: "Accuracy be damned, its a toaster." A good toaster would be quite valuable. I still can't find one that will get a bagle right.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 30, 2015 10:48 AM (UPYPp)

170 That storied was never really reported accurately and slipped beneath the waves in a couple days. Yeah they buried that one in a hurry, even though it was literally an attack on their own. It got all the narrative wrong, and they couldn't shut up about it fast enough.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:48 AM (39g3+)

171 Not to be all gendernorm and other such horrible things, but I'm also comfortable going out on the limb that anyone with that beard isn't identifying as female.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 03:28 PM


Cis-nromative H8ter!

Posted by: Brattleboro University Womyn's and Gender Studies Department[/i][/b][/s][/u] at November 30, 2015 10:48 AM (pLwjI)

172 He's gonna be booked solid on the MSM for the foreseeable future. 'I don't have any resentment or anything - I forgive him,' he said. 'It's a hard pill to swallow because he took my only brother from me. That's the only brother that I had, that I grew up with. He took that away from me and it's hard but I forgive him. Jesus forgave me, so I have to forgive him.' Chandler added: 'My anger is not toward him, toward the gunmen ... my anger is toward the laws that allow things like this to happen: the gun laws. When you allow people to carry firearms at their own will it makes a breeding ground for destruction and tragedy.'

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 30, 2015 10:48 AM (fWAjv)

173 AP: Colorado Springs police have declined to disclose any information on the motive for the attack, and a judge has ordered the sealing of investigatory court documents at the request of prosecutors. Dear was expected to make his first court appearance Monday via a video feed. He has been described by acquaintances as a reclusive loner who didn't seem to have strong political or social opinions. --- So the wonton speculation can continue. yee haw!

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 10:49 AM (MbrzC)

174 never really reported accurately and slipped beneath the waves in a couple days.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2015 03:44 PM (/tuJf)



the Greenville / Asheville local TV news covered this, but elsewhere?

Posted by: Lou Reed, life coach to the stars at November 30, 2015 10:49 AM (8CdUx)

175 The transgender thing as far as I know is only from his voter reg card which has him as a "female" which could just be a mistake when he checked the box on the form. I'm not prepared to read in to that TOO deeply yet. When I fill out warranty cards, questionnaire type things that ask for your race, I usually fill in other. Posted by: Bruce _________________ I've never met someone that thought the question of "gender" was too intrusive, especially for something like a Voter ID registration. Anyone that plays games on that box has sexuality issues. I could see a "fuck you" answer on race maybe, but not gender. If he does that often, I'm going with gender identity issues

Posted by: Coolio at November 30, 2015 10:49 AM (RN4we)

176 Maybe he was a performance artist acting out the "Mrs. Garrison" episode.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 30, 2015 10:49 AM (E5UB0)

177 On the contrary, every civilized human being, whatever his conscious development, is still an archaic [primitive, shamanistic] man in the deeper levels of his psych

Unpossible, for I am Atheist.


Posted by: Libertarian Mammon Worshipper Smoking the Sacramental Herb[/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 10:49 AM (0dcbp)

178 Chandler added: 'My anger is not toward him, toward the gunmen ... my anger is toward the laws that allow things like this to happen: the gun laws. When you allow people to carry firearms at their own will it makes a breeding ground for destruction and tragedy.' Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 30, 2015 03:48 PM (fWAjv) Oh, perfect. Don't blame the guy pulling the trigger, blame the laws that don't somehow magically un-invent the firearm and render them impossible to obtain.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:50 AM (AkOaV)

179 I wish, with all my heart, that all these crazed, armed, psychotropic drug eaters, would target the media. Then we would see some honest reporting. Until then, we will have to make do with 'more porridge, please' reporting. The dude in South Carolina ( or Georgia or wherever it was ) that shot the reporter while she was on the air was an African American who was constantly complaining, and sometimes suing, that he was being discriminated against just for being black. So he murdered a white reporter and a white producer. That storied was never really reported accurately and slipped beneath the waves in a couple days. Posted by: JackStraw He was a black, gay prostitute, who had a history of workplace problems. But, that was reported as - he was a MITT2012 outreach guy.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2015 10:50 AM (fBkaR)

180 The shooter is being arraigned right now. He is either bug fuck nuts or is on some powerful drugs. Maybe a twofer.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2015 10:50 AM (/tuJf)

181 If I remember the Garland cartoon shootings and the reactions to it correctly, we should be discussing right now, what kind of provocation drove this man to this violent outburst. Has anyone asked Planned Parenthood officials yet, if they regret that their infanticide practices led to this tragedy?

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at November 30, 2015 10:50 AM (kAohM)

182 Accuracy be damned, its a toaster.
Posted by: Reggie at November 30, 2015 03:47 PM

Hell, a pair of Groucho glasses got me two.

Posted by: Toaster Lover at November 30, 2015 10:50 AM (35wLs)

183 Interesting... One of the black pastors that Trump met with this afternoon says a lot of the people in the meeting are endorsing Trump.

Posted by: jwest at November 30, 2015 10:51 AM (Zs4uk)

184 Chandler added: 'My anger is not toward him, toward the gunmen ... my anger is toward the laws that allow things like this to happen: the gun laws. When you allow people to carry firearms at their own will it makes a breeding ground for destruction and tragedy.' Cops, unfortunately, tend to have a very non-constitutional lean when it comes to gun control. I can understand, as they're the ones with the target painted on them, but for a generally conservative bunch, they are off in left field on this issue all too often.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:51 AM (39g3+)

185 He has been described by acquaintances as a reclusive loner who didn't seem to have strong political or social opinions. --- So the wonton speculation can continue. yee haw! Posted by: ThisBeingMilt ----------------------------------------------------------------- I put pee pee in his soup. That why he so angly.

Posted by: Xie Jinping at November 30, 2015 10:51 AM (E5UB0)

186 Ben Carson says the pyramids are actually ancient abortion clinics.

Posted by: Beef Supreme at November 30, 2015 10:51 AM (c8V4N)

187 "Has anyone asked Planned Parenthood officials yet, if they regret that their infanticide practices led to this tragedy?" I'll send money to the reporter who asks this.

Posted by: Feh at November 30, 2015 10:51 AM (ZcLP3)

188 So,no anger towards the guy who actually did it but angry at the evil inanimate objects?Very coherent.

Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2015 10:51 AM (8HTq1)

189 Posted by: Coolio at November 30, 2015 03:49 PM (RN4we) --- Or he was just fking with the system, like I do with pollsters that call me.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 10:52 AM (MbrzC)

190 >> It got all the narrative wrong, and they couldn't shut up about it fast enough. Except for the female reporter's dad, who became gun control's Cindy Sheehan.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 10:52 AM (NOIQH)

191 If we had a truly curious press, which we have only occasionally, there might be some questions asked about why two of the deceased were at that particular location at that exact moment. The one seems odd, the second seems rife with questions. You want me to believe one thing -- yet all the details that would prove what you want me to believe are missing? Not one little detail, anything. I am to fill in the blanks ____ over and over again? But the press knows that asking questions that would not further an agenda that pays their bills is none too wise. Obligatory: Madman, yes. Sexually conflicted, perhaps. Relationship to PP, unknown. Victims, no one deserves to be gunned down.

Posted by: free range jihadist [/i] at November 30, 2015 10:52 AM (7v/r5)

192 In fairness, it was probably the fewest deaths at that clinic ever.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 30, 2015 10:52 AM (evdj2)

193 Why are transgender people so dangerous? Have you seen the price of supportive undergarments? Depends.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 10:52 AM (FeRav)

194 Cops, unfortunately, tend to have a very non-constitutional lean when it comes to gun control. I can understand, as they're the ones with the target painted on them, but for a generally conservative bunch, they are off in left field on this issue all too often. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 03:51 PM (39g3+) Yeah, the government agents entrusted to protect our constitutional rights don't think we should have them. Makes sense. But hey -- when you're working on the mean streets of Colorado Springs, you just want laws that work. Constitution be damned. And judging by Chicago, DC, NYC and other gun free zones, if we just banned guns in CO, there would be no more shootings.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 10:53 AM (AkOaV)

195 >>So the wonton speculation can continue You Dim Sum and you lose some.

Posted by: Garrett at November 30, 2015 10:53 AM (aFpjm)

196 >>Except for the female reporter's dad, who became gun control's Cindy Sheehan. As it turned out, he was all along. He is a local Dem activist and had recently run and lost for a state wide office. So of course the msm loved him.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2015 10:53 AM (/tuJf)

197 Some on the Left still blame the 'radical right's' rhetoric for the Kennedy assassination.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 30, 2015 10:53 AM (+Q9b4)

198 One of the black pastors that Trump met with this afternoon says a lot of the people in the meeting are endorsing Trump. I honestly believe that Trump has a very large groundswell of support among black voters, who are mostly keeping it to themselves. Whether the Dems can turn that around or not remains to be seen, but I suspect the general election if he makes it will shock the hell out of the press.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:54 AM (39g3+)

199 - Cops, unfortunately, tend to have a very non-constitutional lean when it comes to gun control. I can understand, as they're the ones with the target painted on them, but for a generally conservative bunch, they are off in left field on this issue all too often. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 03:51 PM -------------------- The union leadership and the political higher-ups are definitely that way. I don't believe the rank and file are.

Posted by: irright at November 30, 2015 10:54 AM (zxnPQ)

200 Cops, unfortunately, tend to have a very non-constitutional lean when it comes to gun control. That's a broad swath. Elected sheriffs fall heavily the other way.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 10:54 AM (659DL)

201 192 In fairness, it was probably the fewest deaths at that clinic ever. Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 30, 2015 03:52 PM (evdj2) --- Maybe he even net-net saved lives that day?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 10:54 AM (MbrzC)

202 We are being told by every leftwing commentator and columnist that there is a long history of violence surrounding abortion clinics. But if that violence is basically as common and predictable as the violence that follows caricatures of Mohamed, shouldnt the commentariat demand an end to abortions or at least condemn them, like they did with anti-Islamic cartoons?

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at November 30, 2015 10:55 AM (kAohM)

203 So,no anger towards the guy who actually did it but angry at the evil inanimate objects?Very coherent. Posted by: steevy at November 30, 2015 03:51 PM (8HTq1) Displacement. He has to be angry at someone or something about this, as he should be, and he is trying to be forgiving as he believes he should be but that anger has to go somewhere. Voila. Icky icky gun and gun laws. It's like getting furious at demon rum when a kid is killed by a drunk driver and not at the driver for choosing to drink and get behind the wheel.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 10:55 AM (mf5HN)

204 Have they ever said where the 3 murdered people were shot? I mean, was in from inside PP? A lot of questions remain...

Posted by: donna at November 30, 2015 10:55 AM (/dSsq)

205 I'll send money to the reporter who asks this. Posted by: Feh ------------------------------------ I'll see you and raise you a bazillion.

Posted by: George Soros at November 30, 2015 10:55 AM (E5UB0)

206 You know, if you don't want to get shot for secretly selling baby parts ... maybe your problem isn't those who shined light on your dirty little racket, but the fact your selling baby parts.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2015 10:55 AM (fBkaR)

207 Or he was just fking with the system, like I do with pollsters that call me. Negative, I am a meat popsicle.

Posted by: Corben Dallas at November 30, 2015 10:55 AM (39g3+)

208 188 So,no anger towards the guy who actually did it but angry at the evil inanimate objects?Very coherent. Being angry at the guy make make him hate them. Just like with ISIS. See, if they believed that shit, they wouldn't be talking about gun owners either. For the same reasons as ISIS.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 10:55 AM (FeRav)

209 191:"no one deserves to be gunned down." This is an absolute that I believe to be incorrect. There are in fact some who do deserve to be gunned down. The tragedy is that the ones who were gunned down, didn't deserve it, and the ones who did deserve it, weren't.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 30, 2015 10:56 AM (UPYPp)

210 Mmm. Meat popsicle.

Posted by: homer simpson at November 30, 2015 10:56 AM (xodPA)

211 Some on the Left still blame the 'radical right's' rhetoric for the Kennedy assassination. We got Trotsky too, you know.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 30, 2015 10:56 AM (8ZskC)

212 Actually, given what some of those who lived by him said, that might be what he thinks.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 03:31 PM (mf5HN)

My younger sister, bless her heart, is an Alex Jones conspiracy nut--you know:   the Illuminati, Bildersberger, chemtrail and fluoridated water stuff.  It is incredibly frustrating to convince someone you love the irrational, idiotic, batshit crazy shit they believe is irrational, idiotic and batshit crazy.

Posted by: troyriser at November 30, 2015 10:56 AM (WuTfJ)

213 Have they ever said where the 3 murdered people were shot? I mean, was in from inside PP? A lot of questions remain... The fact that its not plastered on every newspaper in America and screamed from every TV news set actually answers the question quite well. The union leadership and the political higher-ups are definitely that way. I don't believe the rank and file are. Most of the cops I've known or heard about are heavier on the gun control than I'm comfortable with, but as Circa notes, sheriffs tend to be a different breed.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 10:57 AM (39g3+)

214 As it turned out, he was all along. He is a local Dem activist and had recently run and lost for a state wide office. So of course the msm loved him. Posted by: JackStraw So, if his daughter had been armed like Jane Russell, she might still be alive.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2015 10:58 AM (fBkaR)

215 Coolio at November 30, 2015 03:49 PM (RN4we) --- Or he was just fking with the system, like I do with pollsters that call me. Posted by: ThisBeingMilt _____________ But do you tell them you're a woman if you're a man on something like a Voter ID card or driver's license? I've just never heard anyone complain "how dare they ask my gender, I'll tell them I'm a woman instead!!" on something like that. if it was some telephone survey from a solicitor, I guess I get it, but why take the time to mess with them, just hang up?

Posted by: Coolio at November 30, 2015 10:58 AM (RN4we)

216 It is not the truth that matters, but victory. National Socialist Party Leader Adolf Hitler Posted by: huerfano at November 30, 2015 03:01 PM (NSb9d) I've only unfriended two people on FB, and one was an old friend from high school who went completely off the rails. She loved to argue that the Nazis were right-wingers, and when I pointed out that the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei translated into "National Socialist German Workers' Party," she argued that the real point was that they were NATIONALISTS, and that they really weren't socialist, because socialists are tolerant. According to her, patriotic Americans, who tend to be conservative, are NATIONALISTS, and thus Nazis. Facebook is a lot more pleasant without her.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit[/i][/s][/u][/s] at November 30, 2015 10:58 AM (dPpmC)

217 It is incredibly frustrating to convince someone you love the irrational, idiotic, batshit crazy shit they believe is irrational, idiotic and batshit crazy. You can't disprove crazy.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 10:58 AM (659DL)

218 204 Have they ever said where the 3 murdered people were shot? --- He fired out of the clinic don't know if the all deaths occurred before or after that. That's why I don't really get the whole 'PP attack' meme... he didn't attack PP, if he wanted to specifically attack PP he would have chewed up everyone in there, instead nobody in the building was harmed.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 10:58 AM (MbrzC)

219 How does Colorado handle pot sales? Is there a card/registration system, or is it open to all?

Posted by: Garrett at November 30, 2015 10:59 AM (aFpjm)

220 204 Have they ever said where the 3 murdered people were shot? I mean, was in from inside PP? A lot of questions remain... Posted by: donna at November 30, 2015 03:55 PM (/dSsq) I think they said the Pro-Life-Pastor-Cop was shot in the Chase Bank parking lot. But stuff like that screws up the narrative, so I haven't seen much since.

Posted by: Iblis at November 30, 2015 10:59 AM (9221z)

221 socialists are tolerant HAHAHAHAHAHA...wait, she was serious?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 11:00 AM (659DL)

222 As far as I know Colorado is just open sales to anyone over the age of 18 or 21, not sure which.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 11:00 AM (39g3+)

223 Most of the cops I've known or heard about are heavier on the gun control than I'm comfortable with Also depends on the state. Mass, Jersey, NYC or M'land? Yeah. Texas? They'll ask you what you are carrying and how do you like it.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 11:00 AM (FeRav)

224 Since the current fashion is to project current values and expectations onto the long dead, it is only fair to associate the long dead with present political movements. Any doubting that Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, and the Symbionese Liberation Army would find cozy ideological homes in current day campuses, Hollywood (Ranni Trumbo!!), the Occupy movement, Black Lives Matter and The View.

Posted by: hubnoul at November 30, 2015 11:01 AM (5bMlN)

225 Will Colorado allow cigarette vending machines now?

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2015 11:01 AM (oDCMR)

226 socialists are tolerant Indeed.

Posted by: The Red Guards at November 30, 2015 11:01 AM (8ZskC)

227 But do you tell them you're a woman --- The pollsters... yes actually I have! I've had some down right hilarious calls. The DMV or voter registration no, but I might on voter registration if I didn't think it might cause confusion when I go to vote.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:01 AM (MbrzC)

228 I honestly believe that Trump has a very large groundswell of support among black voters, who are mostly keeping it to themselves. Whether the Dems can turn that around or not remains to be seen, but I suspect the general election if he makes it will shock the hell out of the press. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 03:54 PM (39g3+) Trump is the perfect candidate to use the "democrats are playing blacks for chumps" card. He could be the one that can trigger a cosmic shift to the right for blacks. Most black voters want a candidate of the Caucasian persuasion who gots it goin' on.

Posted by: jwest at November 30, 2015 11:01 AM (Zs4uk)

229 You can't disprove crazy. Infalsibility is the very definition of insanity. The complete absence of evidence of the Conspiracy simply proves how powerful the Conspiracy is.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 30, 2015 11:01 AM (evdj2)

230 Speaking of the Devil may not manifest him but talking stupidity definitely produces more stupidity, and newspaper columns.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 30, 2015 11:01 AM (DL2i+)

231 No need to damn the Left with its words; its deeds are more than sufficient.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Galaxy Grump at November 30, 2015 11:02 AM (V1M8q)

232 Which is why we can't allow you ignorant hate-filled Reich-wing would-be murderers to run loose online and share your evil thoughts any longer. He has a phone and a pen, and that's all it takes to get the community organizing to cast you out. There is a lovely train ride in it for you. Volunteers from #BLM will escort you, augmenting local law enforcement. Bring a suitcase. Space will be cramped in your new housing. And no Internet until your thoughts have been... Improved.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at November 30, 2015 11:02 AM (1dH2d)

233 Timothy McVeigh was blamed on right wing rhetoric . Their play book is as old as the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 30, 2015 11:02 AM (+Q9b4)

234 if it was some telephone survey from a solicitor, I guess I get it, but why take the time to mess with them, just hang up? --- Because they will call back. I find the more you fk with them, and they know for sure you're fuking with them is the only way to actually get off their call list.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:03 AM (MbrzC)

235 >>As far as I know Colorado is just open sales to anyone over the age of 18 or 21, not sure which. I *think* there is a differentiation between CO residents and outsiders on the amount of pot that can be purchased, too. So there are benefits to being a resident, which is an incentive to move here instead of just visit.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at November 30, 2015 11:03 AM (NOIQH)

236 socialists are tolerant For most people, they pick a side politically because they feel like those are the "good guys" regardless of what they actually stand for. Its what the Dems have been great at for decades now, portraying republicans as the bad guys. Policy, practice, history, events, none of it matters in the LIV mind: they just remember that funny show they watched where the laugh line was how Republicans are awful or the action movie where the Republican was the bad guy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 11:04 AM (39g3+)

237 "Texas? They'll ask you what you are carrying and how do you like it." Local S.O.: "Well, did you shoot him yet? Well why not?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 30, 2015 11:04 AM (LA7Cm)

238 Because they will call back. I find the more you fk with them, and they know for sure you're fuking with them is the only way to actually get off their call list. I have found that the repetition of the phrase Useless Commie Cocksuckers seems to dissuade the RNC boiler rooms from calling me.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 30, 2015 11:04 AM (evdj2)

239 So there are benefits to being a resident, which is an incentive to move here instead of just visit. Posted by: Lizzy With voter registration forms next to the rolling papers.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2015 11:04 AM (fBkaR)

240 Because they will call back. I find the more you fk with them, and they know for sure you're fuking with them is the only way to actually get off their call list.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt

Plus, it is so much fun.

Posted by: Bruce at November 30, 2015 11:04 AM (8ikIW)

241 I honestly believe that Trump has a very large groundswell of support among black voters, who are mostly keeping it to themselves. Whether the Dems can turn that around or not remains to be seen, but I suspect the general election if he makes it will shock the hell out of the press. Posted by: Christopher Taylor ______________ I always hear this, but I just don't buy it. Blacks were REALLY against gay marriage, especially black pastors, but they all still fell in line behind Obama who went so far as lighting up the White House in a rainbow. Plus, if there was any real movement towards Trump from that group, all Hillary would have to do is throw a little tough talk out there about illegals and all the blacks would "come home" over night. I could see Ben Carson peeling off more than a few though. Enough to where it would probably force Hillary to pick a black VP.

Posted by: Coolio at November 30, 2015 11:04 AM (RN4we)

242 "221 socialists are tolerant HAHAHAHAHAHA...wait, she was serious?" Was your former FB friend from Brattleboro, VT by any chance?

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 30, 2015 11:04 AM (OD2ni)

243 213: "...sheriffs tend to be a different breed" Being accountable to an electorate does promote this.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 30, 2015 11:05 AM (UPYPp)

244 So there are benefits to being a resident, which is an incentive to move here instead of just visit. We are royally screwed as a country if that is an incentives. Stoners annoy the shit out of me.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 11:05 AM (659DL)

245 >>socialists are tolerant Because, nothing says acceptence like a Mass Grave.

Posted by: Garrett at November 30, 2015 11:05 AM (aFpjm)

246 I heard there was some interest locally in methods to beat off dogmatic leftists. Could you tell me more?

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 30, 2015 11:05 AM (X3rh/)

247 Gabriel Malor has documented the left's "incurable" disease of blaming shootings on right-wing speech.



You do know that Lee Harvey Oswald, you know the one that spend time in Russia and Cuba and married a Russian, was really a right wing nut.




Right. 


It's proven, he visited Dallas, aka, he's right wing.

Posted by: MSM Reporters at November 30, 2015 11:05 AM (jJRIy)

248 Because, nothing says acceptence like a Mass Grave. It's also peaceful.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 30, 2015 11:06 AM (evdj2)

249 Because they will call back. I find the more you fk with them, and they know for sure you're fuking with them is the only way to actually get off their call list. Posted by: ThisBeingMilt ________ I don't think telling them a different gender is going to stop them.

Posted by: Coolio at November 30, 2015 11:06 AM (RN4we)

250 The other thing the Left does is deny any association with their shooters. They can be connected tighter than a pair of mating dogs but when one of them carries out teh crazy , the perp is not only not connected to the Left, they have rightish tendencies .

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 30, 2015 11:06 AM (+Q9b4)

251 Being accountable to an electorate does promote this. There's something about the job that tends to attract the more reliable, responsible, cowboy types around here at least. Good guys, all of them from what I've seen. But then, I have never had a bad experience with a police officer here in any form. Must be because I'm a honky.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 11:06 AM (39g3+)

252 socialists are tolerant the Menschviks will sharpen the hoes properly

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2015 11:06 AM (fBkaR)

253 @173 Well since the narrative has been fixed they can't very well let anything that will punch any holes or make the narrative inoperative or false get out. So that's it then, PP and the rest of the prog media can run wild and there is not going to be any new information. Bastards, this was a complete setup.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 30, 2015 11:07 AM (7GJvw)

254 "socialists are tolerant" hahahahahaha, exhibit A, George Bernard Shaw http://bit.ly/1LeshXB I can multiply the examples pretty much all day.

Posted by: Feh at November 30, 2015 11:07 AM (ZcLP3)

255 If we are to measure, scientifically, the results of political speech and ban those thoughts and ideas which have caused the most harm, by and far there are two that must be banned:

Islam and Marx and his offspring. Each is responsible for the death of billions, billions more enslaved in a life of poverty and servitude, billions in treasure and time wasted--all in service of a system that exists solely to benefit the richest and the most powerful.

No other philosophy or belief has ever spread more poison, more death, more hatred, more abuse, more suffering, more evil than those two.

Banning them will--if we ought to go down the path of banning ideas--bring more peace, more prosperity, more happiness, more safety, more security, more wealth to mankind than any other possible course of action.

But, the left hates science and will never agree to such clear proof. For--as ever--they stand to benefit from the suffering of man. 

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2015 11:07 AM (fQ/0p)

256 socialists are tolerant Actually true. They are tolerant of infanticide, stealing, murder, injustice, and every evil under the sun. They're only intolerant to those who refuse to tolerate evil. The only sin.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 30, 2015 11:07 AM (0NdlF)

257 ts first printed usage in modern English can be found in Giovanni Torriano's Piazza Universale (1666), as "The English say, Talk of the Devil, and he's presently at your elbow." Oh, man. I could sure go for a couple of extra large Torriano's pizzas right about now.

Posted by: Crispy Creosote at November 30, 2015 11:07 AM (u9OP6)

258 They can be connected tighter than a pair of mating dogs but when one of them carries out teh crazy , the perp is not only not connected to the Left, they have rightish tendencies . Gabby Gifford's shooter.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 11:07 AM (FeRav)

259 219 - Show drivers license or state id for age check (21 or older) , sometimes at the door, sometimes at time of purchase.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:07 AM (MbrzC)

260 Most of the cops I've known or heard about are heavier on the gun control than I'm comfortable with, but as Circa notes, sheriffs tend to be a different breed. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 03:57 PM It's possible my info is getting kind of outdated. Funny how that seems to happen more and more often to me.

Posted by: irright at November 30, 2015 11:08 AM (zxnPQ)

261 Awesome take on reality Ace. Kudos.

Posted by: GBruno at November 30, 2015 11:09 AM (u49WF)

262 socialists are tolerant Actually true. They are tolerant of infanticide, stealing, murder, injustice, and every evil under the sun. They're only intolerant to those who refuse to tolerate evil. The only sin. Also not very tolerant of groups stronger than them. Sucks to think you are the big dog, only to be lined up against the wall.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 11:09 AM (FeRav)

263 No Ace, we don't all need to speak softly. Some of us need to speak loudly and push, and that gives those who speak softly the ability to claim the center. The loud crowd provides a point on the map that the negotiators can move half way toward and then call it the center.

Posted by: DFCtomm at November 30, 2015 11:09 AM (XPV0k)

264 So according to yahoo one of the murder victims was at the clinic with "family" members and He stepped out to make a call. He went in to protect others so I guess someone "in" or near PP was killed... Of course this is according to the victims brother saying he was a hero...

Posted by: donna at November 30, 2015 11:09 AM (/dSsq)

265 Because, nothing says acceptence like a Mass Grave. It's also peaceful. And everyone is treated exactly the same. Fairness!

Posted by: SJW at November 30, 2015 11:09 AM (2WoCi)

266 Bastards, this was a complete setup. They're getting desperate to diverge this far from the facts. Tune them out, collect rhetorical quips to counter theirs, and continue on with life.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 30, 2015 11:09 AM (0NdlF)

267 Sometimes you feel like you have nuts. Sometimes you don't.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 30, 2015 11:10 AM (E5UB0)

268 197 Some on the Left still blame the 'radical right's' rhetoric for the Kennedy assassination. I live in Dallas, which has been solidly dem for a decade now, they still call it the city of hate and use the anniversary of the assassination every year to go on and on ad nauseum about how Dallas needs to be kept blue lest such hate return.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at November 30, 2015 11:10 AM (VviqM)

269 So the wonton speculation can continue. yee haw! Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 03:49 PM (MbrzC) I thought you say just a two order dumpring?

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 30, 2015 11:10 AM (FfVIs)

270 As soon as you touch a gun, you instantly become to love child of Margret Thatcher and Barry Goldwater. Regardless of your actions and beliefs right up until that second the cold steel caress makes you a Republican.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2015 11:11 AM (fBkaR)

271 Shaw, Sanger, Hitler, et al http://bit.ly/1PWFtbt socialists

Posted by: Feh at November 30, 2015 11:11 AM (ZcLP3)

272 249 - You'd be surprised, I give them the most ludicrous answers possible. I get far less calls after I started doing that. Same with sales calls, either go ludicrous or ask them to hold on a minute, come back like 5 minutes later. I only do this to the jackasses that keep calling after I've asked to never be called again.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:11 AM (MbrzC)

273 The tragedy is that the ones who were gunned down, didn't deserve it, and the ones who did deserve it, weren't. Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 30, 2015 03:56 PM (UPYPp) I'm not the judge, despite my convictions about right and wrong. But the press tells me one of the victims was the father of two daughters. Which presents to the reader one impression. But the story ends there. Only that he was escorting some unnamed individual to the clinic. So I have this weird perception that the absence of information is actually often fact-filled information.

Posted by: free range jihadist [/i] at November 30, 2015 11:11 AM (7v/r5)

274 If Barry makes the final year of his Presidency about gun control like he threatened, that's almost going to guarantee a good year for Republicans.

Posted by: Coolio at November 30, 2015 11:12 AM (RN4we)

275 The Oregon, BLACK shooter was a left wing hunt who worked for Obama.


Nothing in that sentence ever made it on TV or the MSM



Posted by: Nip Sip at November 30, 2015 11:12 AM (jJRIy)

276 As soon as you touch a gun, you instantly become to love child of Margret Thatcher and Barry Goldwater. Regardless of your actions and beliefs right up until that second the cold steel caress makes you a Republican. Unless you're the bodyguard of a Democrat or leftist celebrity. Then you're a stalwart, steely hero.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 11:12 AM (39g3+)

277 I live in Dallas, which has been solidly dem for a decade now, they still call it the city of hate Where the Kennedy motorcade route was lined ten deep with no sign of trouble until the miserable little commie opened fire.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 11:12 AM (659DL)

278 274 If Barry makes the final year of his Presidency about gun control like he threatened, that's almost going to guarantee a good year for Republicans. That and globull warming...

Posted by: donna at November 30, 2015 11:12 AM (/dSsq)

279 So according to yahoo one of the murder victims was at the clinic with "family" members To get a mammogram?

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 11:12 AM (FeRav)

280 Until recently, my wife and I lived in Park County for 12 years. Our ranch was 18 miles southeast of Hartsel. The only radio station we could get on the car radios was the NPR station out of Denver. We picked up our mail in Hartsel, and radio reception there was the same. NPR. BTW: Park County is a savage tundra where the high temps in summer soar all the way into the very low 80s. Population remains at around the 12-15K mark. It is a tough place to live, and for whatever reason, seems to attract odd people (yeah, I include myself in that cohort; my wife came along because she didn't know any better).

Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at November 30, 2015 11:13 AM (wKcQA)

281 As soon as you touch a gun, you instantly become to love child of Margret Thatcher and Barry Goldwater. Regardless of your actions and beliefs right up until that second the cold steel caress makes you a Republican. "But this gun had a hold on me. I felt this incredible surge of power, like God must feel when he's holding a gun. "

Posted by: Grump928(c) mutters at November 30, 2015 11:13 AM (evdj2)

282 279 So according to yahoo one of the murder victims was at the clinic with "family" members No unless He was transgender...

Posted by: donna at November 30, 2015 11:13 AM (/dSsq)

283 Nice post ...

The thief comes to steal kill destroy, JC came that we might have life more abundantly  John 10:10  A basic of Christianity.

Obama is a rabble rouser, a destroyer of what the western world has built, favoring the glorious promises of a commie future. 

The Marxists infiltrated Christian churches with Rev. Wright's black liberation theology, where white man and white society are the great oppressor.  Yet Obama's half brother in Kenya wishes the Brits had stayed longer so they would have built an economy in Kenya like they built in South Africa (until communist Mandela was elected on the pretense of racial harmony, now aligned with communists, kinda like Obama's story)

Whether it is magic thinking or not, the western world learned good versus evil, based largely in protestant reforms.  The left has been replacing our foundations for a century, with their commie version. 

The Renaissance, Reformation, Enlightenment, Scientific Revolution came with open debate, and brought great things, as individual thinking escaped popes and kings.  The Islamic world became the poor man of Europe as it clung to top down control.  The communist world clung to the godless rule by force. 

The belief in some greater good, some higher purpose and calling, seems essential to successful society.  Perhaps some higher power/purpose is reality more than magical thinking, but our comic books and sci-fi largely exalt a "counterfeit" version, as does much of religion and all of academia. 

Our WASPy founders left us a Christian based free society, but individuals have not fought hard enough to maintain their liberties, so it is now again "game on".

That's my synopsis for now at least ... life is a highway.

Posted by: Illiniwek at November 30, 2015 11:13 AM (wtkzU)

284 The left aren't about to have a meaningful discussion about much of anything unless it's conservative capitulation.

And that's the reason for the rising voices.

We know they can't and won't be convinced they're incorrect and try for a compromise.

So the right has become more and more vocal.

Ben doesn't understand this because everyone he talks to, I'm sure, is very congenial and acts as if a compromise is just around the corner but somehow eludes their grasp. Perhaps if the conservatives just gave a little ground here and there? Yeah. That's always the way it goes. Promises, promises but no delivery.

Sorry Ben, down here at the grassroots where things are a bit more clear and more nitty gritty, we understand that there will be no compromise unless we do it and we've given too much in time as it is. Too much hoping that the lying politicians can create some answer, hoping that the left has a heart and will decide to stop killing babies with a scissor through the brain.

It's been 40 years now and 60 million babies lost. Time for compromise and quiet discussions are over. Long over.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 30, 2015 11:14 AM (Xo1Rt)

285 Only that he was escorting some unnamed individual to the clinic. Suggests he was bringing baby girl to get a baby cut out of her, but not certainly. Might have been some other person or a different procedure. PP doesn't do Mammograms, but they do other basic procedures other than abortion. Insufficient data.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 11:14 AM (39g3+)

286 "I don't think Carson is saying much here more than "We need to listen and speak softly if we are to persuade," which is generally true, if you're trying to make headway on an issue." depends on the audience sometimes, a sharp whack with a clue bat, complete with swirling chickadees and embarrassment, is the only effective course

Posted by: Feh at November 30, 2015 11:14 AM (ZcLP3)

287 Plus, it is so much fun. Posted by: Bruce at November 30, 2015 04:04 PM (8ikIW) --- Indeed it can be.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:14 AM (MbrzC)

288 So according to yahoo one of the murder victims was at the clinic with "family" members Whelps, she must get that abortion now - to kill the child in loving memory of his grandfather.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 30, 2015 11:14 AM (0NdlF)

289 So, when Goldwater said, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" he was engaged in that "heated rhetoric" we need to tone down?

How about, "give me liberty or give me death?"

Ben, you should know there are ideas worth every bit of "extreme" rhetoric.


Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2015 11:15 AM (fQ/0p)

290 conservative capitulation Also known in modern parlance as "compromise."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 11:15 AM (659DL)

291 Dear was politically conservative, religious, owned guns and believed that abortion was wrong - but he was not obsessed with any of these issues, Ross said. Ex-wife

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 30, 2015 11:15 AM (fWAjv)

292 219 How does Colorado handle pot sales? Is there a card/registration system, or is it open to all? Posted by: Garrett at November 30, 2015 03:59 PM (aFpjm) Open to all! Well, if you have an out of state ID, you're limited to smaller amounts (I believe out of state is 1 ounce max, in state is 4? CO moron would know better than me). But no, no registration list to buy pot in CO.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 11:15 AM (AkOaV)

293 291 Dear was politically conservative, religious, owned guns and believed that abortion was wrong - but he was not obsessed with any of these issues, Ross said. Ex-wife Conservative and religious... I call bull shit...

Posted by: donna at November 30, 2015 11:15 AM (/dSsq)

294 "I don't think Carson is saying much here more than "We need to listen and speak softly if we are to persuade," which is generally true, if you're trying to make headway on an issue." Ben Carson was a gifted neurosurgeon. FULL STOP.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 11:16 AM (659DL)

295 OK horde, clean up your fvcking act, Glen Reynolds just gave Ace an insty launch.



Expect lots of newbies.  Virgins for the morons, come and get them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 30, 2015 11:16 AM (jJRIy)

296 283 Fantastic post Illiniwek

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 30, 2015 11:16 AM (FfVIs)

297 sometimes, a sharp whack with a clue bat, complete with swirling chickadees and embarrassment, is the only effective course Posted by: Feh at November 30, 2015 04:14 PM (ZcLP3) --- yup.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:17 AM (MbrzC)

298 I'll admit it, I didn't read the whole post. Did Ace like the movie?

Posted by: Farmer at November 30, 2015 11:17 AM (3hlFs)

299 Always trust the ex-wife.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2015 11:17 AM (fBkaR)

300 293 291 Dear was politically conservative, religious, owned guns and believed that abortion was wrong - but he was not obsessed with any of these issues, Ross said.

Ex-wife

Conservative and religious... I call bull shit...

Posted by: donna at November 30, 2015 04:15 PM (/dSsq)


What?  He is a Tranny that registered to vote as a WOMAN.



Posted by: Nip Sip at November 30, 2015 11:17 AM (jJRIy)

301 OK horde, clean up your fvcking act, Glen Reynolds just gave Ace an insty launch. This kind of entreaty works as well as socialism.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 30, 2015 11:17 AM (659DL)

302 Blood for the blood god! Noobs for the horde!

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 30, 2015 11:18 AM (FfVIs)

303 He was into BDSM and spanking and had posted on cannabis.com

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 30, 2015 11:18 AM (fWAjv)

304 I think the checked the box for female on his voter registration as a "fuck you" to the state sticking its nose in his business. Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2015 03:31 PM (xodPA) If he's batshit crazy, does this make any difference at all? Seems to be quite consistent w/ batxhit to me.

Posted by: dDan at November 30, 2015 11:18 AM (hwYmz)

305 >>> So according to yahoo one of the murder victims was at the clinic with
"family" members

That's us. Pro Family all the way. After all...
"Every child deserves the opportunity to live up to their God-given potential"

Posted by: Planned Parenthood Self-Awarenes Department at November 30, 2015 11:18 AM (35wLs)

306 295 OK horde, clean up your fvcking act, Glen Reynolds just gave Ace an insty launch. Expect lots of newbies. Virgins for the morons, come and get them. Pants on!!

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 11:18 AM (FeRav)

307 chocolate chip caramel cookie pie? Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at November 30, 2015 03:44 PM (mf5HN Yum!!

Posted by: Lea at November 30, 2015 11:18 AM (lIU4e)

308 But no, no registration list to buy pot in CO.>>>

But you do have to register (or at least sign log book) to buy sudafed.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 30, 2015 11:18 AM (XtAzU)

309 291 Dear was politically conservative, religious, owned guns and believed that abortion was wrong - but he was not obsessed with any of these issues, Ross said. That's why He was charged as a peeping Tom and cruelty to animals.... All Religious conservatives do that...

Posted by: donna at November 30, 2015 11:19 AM (/dSsq)

310 Buzzsaw I don't think you can make meth out of the divine herb

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 30, 2015 11:19 AM (FfVIs)

311 So I was reading this part:
"2. It has become de rigeur on the left to claim that some
political thoughts -- coincidentally, all of which are political
thoughts hated by the left -- must simply be abandoned in order to
forestall any possibility of violence.
Sorry, they say, we'd love to have that tumultuous marketplace-of-ideas you lads are always on about, but the dangers are just too great to allow it.
This is, of course, the censor's eternal apologetics for his
censorship: Sure, we'd love to let you publish that book, Old Boy, but
the threat to the public safety and national morals are just too great."

And then all of a sudden it hit me like a lightning bolt...When I was checking my mail I received a 16,100 mAh powerbank from Amazon and put it on top of my mailbox. After I threw away all of my junk mail, I hastily got into my truck and rushed home to eat my rapidly cooling lunch FORGETTING MY 16,100 mAh POWERBANK!
Weird huh? THANKS ACE!

Posted by: CozMark at November 30, 2015 11:19 AM (CbGSW)

312 OK horde, clean up your fvcking act, Glenn Reynolds just gave Ace an insty launch. Expect lots of newbies. Virgins for the morons, come and get them. Posted by: Nip Sip at November 30, 2015 04:16 PM ------------ It was probably Driscoll, he's been doing that pretty regular.

Posted by: irright at November 30, 2015 11:20 AM (zxnPQ)

313 Dear wrote that 'herb' was created by God, so man's laws against the drug are against God.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 30, 2015 11:20 AM (fWAjv)

314 Who shot Lincoln? Democrat. Who shot McKinley? Lefty Anarchist. Who shot Kennedy? Lefty Communist. Who shot RFK? Lefty Palestinian . Who shot at Ford ? Lefty Hippie.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 30, 2015 11:20 AM (+Q9b4)

315 @295 that's taqiyya.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 30, 2015 11:20 AM (E5UB0)

316 Reporter: Dr. Carson, given the obesity epidemic in America, will your administration work to reduce the influence of such merchants of death as McDonald's? Carson: I would advise weight clinics to ablate the patient's ventromedial hypothalamus. Reporter: ... Carson: Would you like me to spell that for you?

Posted by: Feh at November 30, 2015 11:20 AM (ZcLP3)

317 Suggests he was bringing baby girl to get a baby cut out of her, but not certainly. Might have been some other person or a different procedure. PP doesn't do Mammograms, but they do other basic procedures other than abortion. Insufficient data. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 04:14 PM (39g3+) their number 1 service is STD tests.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 11:21 AM (AkOaV)

318 313 Dear wrote that 'herb' was created by God, so man's laws against the drug are against God. In a true conservative Religious way...

Posted by: donna at November 30, 2015 11:21 AM (/dSsq)

319 I remember reading that in 2013.

Posted by: Carol at November 30, 2015 11:21 AM (sj3Ax)

320 OK horde, clean up your fvcking act, Glen Reynolds just gave Ace an insty launch.

*grabs nearest pair of pants off floor*
*sniffs*

That'll work.

Posted by: jow at November 30, 2015 11:21 AM (35wLs)

321 So the wonton speculation can continue. **** Tso what?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 30, 2015 11:21 AM (NeFrd)

322 NOT ONE PP employee or patient was hurt or shot.  Wouldn't you think a pro life nut would  hurt the murders and not random people in a parking lot?



Just a silly question.




Posted by: Nip Sip at November 30, 2015 11:21 AM (jJRIy)

323 I wonder how many lefties tried to comment on the old Thanksgiving post and got instabanned?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2015 11:21 AM (39g3+)

324 >>>Virgins for the morons,

72 please!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 30, 2015 11:22 AM (EUMr7)

325 Sticks and stones may break my bones but a true progressive will rot your mind from the inside out.

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 30, 2015 11:22 AM (k8tEg)

326 State takes dump number 7 The department released 7,800 pages of Clinton's emails, including one email that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence had originally flagged as potentially containing classified information, before deciding that it did not contain intelligence agency information. --- This is classified... oh wait it'll hurt Clinton? ...um never mind I was only kidding.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:22 AM (MbrzC)

327 Expect lots of newbies. Virgins for the morons, come and get them. Posted by: Nip Sip at November 30, 2015 04:16 PM (jJRIy) god damn it, I don't like newbies.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 11:22 AM (AkOaV)

328 gotta be all proper and shit

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 11:22 AM (AkOaV)

329 their number 1 service is STD tests. Go to the county clinic, they're free. So I've heard, not that I ever bothered.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at November 30, 2015 11:23 AM (39g3+)

330 The comments have more mention of 'transgender' than a Caitlyn Jenner post. You people have got one track minds.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 30, 2015 11:23 AM (E5UB0)

331 I wonder how many lefties tried to comment on the old Thanksgiving post and got instabanned? That would make an awesome culling procedure, get a link up at a HuffPo, to a dead post, and spin up the comments.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2015 11:23 AM (fBkaR)

332 It's impossible to avoid "triggering" paranoid schizophrenics.

Posted by: Lauren at November 30, 2015 11:23 AM (DPhwq)

333 nood, taxis

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 11:23 AM (AkOaV)

334 OK horde, clean up your fvcking act, Glen Reynolds just gave Ace an insty launch. *grabs nearest pair of pants off floor* *sniffs* Thud.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at November 30, 2015 11:24 AM (FeRav)

335 322 - That would be my logic.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:24 AM (MbrzC)

336 Dear once gave a neighbor anti-Obama pamphlets and told him Obama is 'ruining the country and needed to be impeached.' And if you agree you're obviously a right wing terrorist who needs to be put on the terrorist watch list. NO GUN FOR YOU!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 30, 2015 11:24 AM (fWAjv)

337 their number 1 service is STD tests. How can anyone plan for parenthood without STD testing?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 30, 2015 11:24 AM (0NdlF)

338 @322 Actually, it hasn't been established that Dear shot anyone, or that any of the shots he aledgedly fired were responsible for any deaths. The deaths could have just as easily been caused by the police firing on Dear. Since apparently everything is now being sealed we can speculate as well.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 30, 2015 11:25 AM (7GJvw)

339 >>That's why He was charged as a peeping Tom and cruelty to animals.... All Religious conservatives do that... His ex also said he hit her and threw her out a window. Sounds like a solid guy. NY Daily News has a picture of his shack in NC. Yes, it's clear he was the model of stability.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2015 11:25 AM (/tuJf)

340 How can anyone plan for parenthood without STD testing? Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 30, 2015 04:24 PM (0NdlF) Gotta take care of the syph before ya get pregnant, dont you know

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 11:25 AM (AkOaV)

341 Reading the WaPo link earlier.

The comments from the pro-dead babies crowd are nauseating.

And one genius suggested that in flyover country and the south, there are no clinics for women to go to to get birth control, thus the "necessity" for PP. 

*peeks out shanty door*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 30, 2015 11:26 AM (FsuaD)

342
Let's just say this murderer who was at the PP, the shooter I mean, was motivated by the hate speech of selling baby parts while chomping on salad by PP officials.  That makes it left wing inspired violence.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 30, 2015 11:26 AM (ODxAs)

343 I was watching YouTube clips of news reports from the DAY of JFK's assassination and I saw a video of a reporter doing man-on-the-street interviews with shocked and stunned NYC office workers FROM THE AFTERNOON of the killing. There was one broad, a typical New Yawker-type who actually said that she blamed it all on right-wing haters from Dallas. This was a few hours after Kennedy's body cooled off and already the meme was out there---and this without twitter, facebook, computers. Already, they had that line of shit out there. On 11-22-63.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2015 11:26 AM (BaPNG)

344 Do people understand that if they put their name to some sort of registry for obtaining pot, that they then have surrendered their right (because it's actually a privilege under the current regime of back ground check and records keeping) to possess a firearm?

States right there on that 4187 (?) that anyone who has taken or is known to have taken or admits to have taken any narcotic is disqualified from possessing firearms.

So all you medical and recreational pot users; you're fcuked.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 30, 2015 11:27 AM (Xo1Rt)

345 Pants on!! Shazbot!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy[/b][/s][/u][/i] at November 30, 2015 11:28 AM (LUgeY)

346 The deaths could have just as easily been caused by the police firing on Dear. Since apparently everything is now being sealed we can speculate as well. Posted by: Kreplach at November 30, 2015 04:25 PM (7GJvw) --- Another Waco 'biker shootout' scenario is certainly possible, what a cluster fk of coverup's that's been so far.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:28 AM (MbrzC)

347 So all you medical and recreational pot users; you're fcuked. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 30, 2015 04:27 PM (Xo1Rt) --- There is no such registry on the recreational side in Co or Wa.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:29 AM (MbrzC)

348 Newbies not inured to the intricacies of the intellectual give and take endemic to the HQ, have one look at a phrase like "Dorked right in the squeakhole" and run away looking for a safe space.

Posted by: irright at November 30, 2015 11:30 AM (pMGkg)

349 So all you medical and recreational pot users; you're fcuked. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 30, 2015 04:27 PM (Xo1Rt) Yes, you are correct. I know of several people who rushed out to get their medical marijuana cards before thinking it through. Another "oopsie"? One of my buddies who got a medical card is not only a gun guy, but also has a CDL. So far no one has said anything, but he was freaking out about it for a while.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 30, 2015 11:30 AM (AkOaV)

350 Already, they had that line of shit out there. On 11-22-63. Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2015 04:26 PM (BaPNG) ---- It was far far far far far easier to have total control of the narrative back then.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:31 AM (MbrzC)

351 Dear wrote that 'herb' was created by God, so man's laws against the drug are against God.

My brother Loco used that same reasoning in 1978.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 30, 2015 11:32 AM (YJmuy)

352 newd.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at November 30, 2015 11:32 AM (MbrzC)

353 Guns, violence, racial antagonisms/rape, religious bigotry, environmental hypocrisy and smoking tobacco in cinema and stage plays.

The left wants what it wants, and looks the other way when it suits.






Posted by: 13times at November 30, 2015 11:32 AM (6xkoq)

354 295 OK horde, clean up your fvcking act, Glen Reynolds just gave Ace an insty launch.



Expect lots of newbies. Virgins for the morons, come and get them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 30, 2015 04:16 PM (jJRIy)


Dibs on the blondes, please.

Posted by: rebel flounder at November 30, 2015 11:35 AM (3dOE/)

355 The tragedy is that the ones who were gunned down, didn't deserve it, and the ones who did deserve it, weren't.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 30, 2015 03:56 PM (UPYPp)


I'm not the judge, despite my convictions about right and wrong. But the press tells me one of the victims was the father of two daughters. Which presents to the reader one impression. But the story ends there. Only that he was escorting some unnamed individual to the clinic.

So I have this weird perception that the absence of information is actually often fact-filled information.
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If, as you have filled in, such is so:  I rate his death the Markos treatment.
I feel nothing for him--fuck him; choosing to visit death upon an innocent baby for the comfort of his life (and make no mistake, parents who push their children to abortion do so for their comfort, not their children, who often want the child but are helpless to resist), choosing to scar his child with that evil for the rest of her life for his lazy ass comfort--fuck him.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2015 11:39 AM (fQ/0p)

356 The reason they've sealed the PP case? They found a Hillary! Bumpersticker in his shack.

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2015 11:45 AM (Fmupd)

357 NOT ONE PP employee or patient was hurt or shot. Wouldn't you think a pro life nut would hurt the murders and not random people in a parking lot?

Just a silly question.
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However, INSIDE  the PP makes a good vantage point for targeting any anti-abortion protesters outside.

Seems a pretty good fit of the facts for speculation, eh?

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 30, 2015 11:45 AM (fQ/0p)

358 Let me point out there are a huge number of superstitious about Speaking of Evil: That if an evil is spoken aloud, it might make that evil manifest in the world. Another example is the "Don't speak ill of the dead" tradition. It goes back to the Romans: De mortuis nihil nisi bonum. But we've forgotten the superstitious roots of this maxim. We think it's something to do with fair play: a dead person can't answer back and defend himself. But the Romans had a real fear of the dead, and this bit of advice was to ward off trouble. If you speak ill of the dead, they thought, you could make the spirit of the departed angry, and might end up being haunted by them. So don't do it. Better yet, don't say ANYTHING about the dead ("nihil"), but if you have to say something, make sure it's nice.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 30, 2015 11:59 AM (gjLib)

359 "2. It has become de rigeur on the left to claim that some political thoughts -- coincidentally, all of which are political thoughts hated by the left -- must simply be abandoned in order to forestall any possibility of violence." Always excepting Islam - which explicitly prescribes violence for those who oppose it, or who apostate from it. Because Islamists and leftists are both enemies of the Open Society, and, as we know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Posted by: Brown Line at November 30, 2015 11:59 AM (zcbZo)

360 Just a note on the Italian superstitions against "speaking evil," this is, i think common in societies oppressed by arbitrary powers. This applied in parts of the old world where the mafia or other organized groups reigned, but also in parts of the world where communism (et al.) had power. "speak of the devil" was not so much a superstition, but a warning that "you never know who is listening," or that what you are saying is risky.

So this was just a way that older or wiser people warned others about that thing you can not even mention to warn others not to mention.

I think the same thing is happening in the US though regarding all the PC talk and thoughts people are required to have.

Maybe we should update it - Speak of Caitlin and he'll stick his dick in your ass.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at November 30, 2015 12:23 PM (LWu6U)

361 The really sad part is that there is some evidence that a certain number of nuts are doing mass killings for the publicity and fame.


So, the media is accusing others of the crime that only they can commit.

Posted by: jc at November 30, 2015 12:27 PM (i8c5b)

362 Remember when Al Gore's "Earth in the Balance" was found in the Unabomber's cabin and all Democrats blamed Gore's rhetoric for the bombings of businessmen?

Oh, wait--they nominated him for President.

And then made his movie "An Inconvenient Truth" mandatory viewing propaganda for schoolchildren. Some kids even had watch it in Science class, then Math class, then Social Studies class, then in P.E., etc.

But at least Gore didn't bomb police stations and federal judges and get tenured professorships afterwards like some of the Prez's close friends.

Posted by: Carson Rachel at November 30, 2015 12:31 PM (BfPSD)

363 77 Ace doesn't want us using the word "d#ck" on the blog not because of advertiser sensitivity but because he's afraid everyone reading reading the post will turn into a mallard. Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2015 03:24 PM (xodPA), Funny thing is there are a few names which are not to be used at the HQ, and "Devil","Satan", "Bealzebub", "Lucifer" nor "Champ" are in this list.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 30, 2015 01:30 PM (yQVAQ)

364 I remember the last shooting that occurred at the Shoe Barn. Nineteen soles were lost in that senseless massacre.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 30, 2015 01:37 PM (yQVAQ)

365 "Why am I told, by some senior Democrat party officials, that anyone who disagrees with climate change should be prosecuted for a crime?"

"Because shut up", they replied

Posted by: Moebius at November 30, 2015 02:11 PM (75nZL)

366 Two words: "Kermit Gosnell." Any society that tolerates him deserves the barbarians that are surely just over the hill.

Posted by: Patrick Carroll at November 30, 2015 04:55 PM (hoUpO)

367 If the truth is extreme language, so be it.  There is no nuance way of saying the murder of an unborn (sometimes born) baby is just a matter of how you look at it.  A life has been taken, has it not?  Just take the human out of humane if society is good with this.  And the government has no just cause to use tax money to advance this inhumane practice.  Our society should be ashamed this is going on. 

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at November 30, 2015 08:29 PM (rnH8X)

368 I think it was just about the same day Commiefornia's law banning smoking in restaurants went into effect...that a waiter at Little Joe's on Del Paso Blvd in Sacramento asked a patron to please not smoke in the place. The patron without further ado plunged a cheap steak knife off the table into the poor guys heart. 20 years ago? The victim was a genuine immigrant in his 20's as Little Joe was/is an immigrant himself and he would work to get people from his country to come here. The crime happened late at night and the restaurant stopped being open all night and they got blunt instead of pointy steak knives. We need nutter control.

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2015 04:56 AM (Buo3/)

369 Remember that rumor before Chocolate Jesus was immaculated that he had a GF stashed on some Carribean blue island? We couldn't use her name on this blog either?

Posted by: torabora at December 01, 2015 04:59 AM (Buo3/)

370 If heated campaign rhetoric causes crime, is Bernie responsible for all bank robberies?

Posted by: Swami at December 01, 2015 10:06 AM (t1QV2)

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