January 31, 2011

Axelrod: "We're going to play big...We're certainly not going to hunker down."
— Purple Avenger

Easy for him to say as he makes a hasty exit stage left.

...Obama's chief political strategist, senior adviser, close friend, late-night sounding board and comedic foil is done at the White House. This was always his plan: two years of insider work from his office near Obama's in the West Wing, then home to family and more freedom in Chicago...
So, you're joined at the hip with this Obama guy riding him to the top, so naturally your "plan" was always to bail on him when he needs you the most facing the most hostile political environment he's ever had to face and dump the mess in 2nd stringer Plouff's lap to try and sort out? Right. OK. Sure.
..."Probably more than any time in my lifetime, it's an unfathomable race," Axelrod said of the field of potential opponents...
OK, my bad. I was obviously too naive and accepting above, this sounds a lot more like it. Translation: "This isn't an election we're going to be able to astroturf or bullshit our way through, or rig. It might be hard, we could actually lose. Those ignorant serfs want some steak along with their sizzle, but this Obama guy is kinda light on substance, and I don't have a fracking clue how to fix that sort of problem."
"We're going to play big...We're certainly not going to hunker down."
As Tonto said when the shit got kinda deep for the Lone Ranger: "What you mean "we" white man?

The Axelturfer is taking a powder, beating feet, getting out of Dodge, making himself scarce, and otherwise insulating himself from aftershocks, consequences and of course sharply declining book deal payoffs should Obama lose in 2012. Losers and their inside story are generally interesting to political strategists, as bad examples and how not to do it, publishers and the general public OTOH aren't as fascinated by the story of losers.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 06:18 AM | Comments (232)
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1 Oh, yeah... I can also beat anyone on staff at arm wrestling. And I once fucked a grizzly bear. Yeah. Try me, bitches.

Posted by: David Axelrod at January 31, 2011 05:30 AM (AZGON)

2 And he was so telegenic. Dang!

Posted by: alppuccino at January 31, 2011 06:19 AM (/XNNk)

3 Is he taking all his trolls with him? I have noticed a lot of newbies here since the election season heated up. All of them can't be lurkers.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 06:22 AM (M9Ie6)

4 One more greasy combover from which my eyes will be spared in 2012. In other news, Obama-appointed ambassador to China Jon Huntsman might get in the 2012 GOP primaries.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 06:22 AM (mHQ7T)

5 We're going to need some bigger training wheels!

Posted by: Barry O'Tool at January 31, 2011 06:23 AM (FcR7P)

6 He's ridden this clean, articulate black man as far as possible. Now it's time to find another one. Oh, and write a book.

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 06:23 AM (RD7QR)

7 Axelrod did once note that Obama has a "glass jaw." It seems he meant it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 06:24 AM (mHQ7T)

8 Do you suppose Obama's ego has gotten so puffed up that he actually believes that he's the chief strategist and doesn't need Axelrod?

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 06:25 AM (FcR7P)

9 Axlegrease can take his bald fat ass straight to Hell. I for one have seen enough of that particular combover.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 06:26 AM (OlN4e)

10 You gotta know when to hold'em
Know when to fold'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run

Runnin' time is here.  Good news for the rest of us.

Posted by: Kenny Rogers at January 31, 2011 06:27 AM (GMG6W)

11 Do you suppose Obama's ego has gotten so puffed up that he actually believes that he's the chief strategist and doesn't need Axelrod?

Obama is a narcissist.  I'm quite sure he believes broad hand waving and platitudes equate to the heavy lifting to make something happen.  Narcissists are like that - stating something to them is like making it happen.  Then when it doesn't happen, others will be blamed for the failure.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 31, 2011 06:28 AM (6iP/C)

12 I'd kill for those looks.

Posted by: Henry Waxman - D, Fat Fingers at January 31, 2011 06:30 AM (A/oSU)

13 Maybe he'll go back to shithole Chicago and help the new mayor's "message". What a piece of human garbage.

Posted by: Pecos Bill at January 31, 2011 06:30 AM (j84s0)

14

Uh, Mr. President... there are a number of States who say they will need to see some doucmentation this election to get you on the ballot.... Wait.... you DON'T have a Birth Cert????

I'm outa here....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2011 06:30 AM (AdK6a)

15 Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 11:25 AM (FcR7P)

Wasn't he quoted, recently, as having said something similar?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 06:31 AM (8y9MW)

16 We are ruled by narcissistic teenagers.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 31, 2011 06:31 AM (GTbGH)

17 Hunker down = Bend over Obie, take it like a man.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at January 31, 2011 06:33 AM (LdYLm)

18 Wasn't he quoted, recently, as having said something similar? I think you're right, that was the whole 'you know who'd make a great chief-of-staff? Me!' riff that we had such fun with last week.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 06:33 AM (FcR7P)

19

At the rate things are going they will in all liklihood be "hunkered down" at some point.  Lucky for them they have places like Mt. Weather and the Greenbriar (the ones made public).

I demand mine shaft equality.  

Posted by: Beagle at January 31, 2011 06:34 AM (sOtz/)

20 18 Wasn't he quoted, recently, as having said something similar?

I think you're right, that was the whole 'you know who'd make a great chief-of-staff? Me!' riff that we had such fun with last week.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 11:33 AM (FcR7P)

You'd know who's make a great Senate Majority Leader? Me!

Posted by: Barack at January 31, 2011 06:34 AM (LdYLm)

21 "Probably more than any time in my lifetime, it's an unfathomable race," Axelrod said of the field of potential opponents...

I'd call that election 2008. Are the Republicans going to run someone in 2012 on the platform of healing the planet whose experience for the job was failed community organizer and "present" State Senator?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 31, 2011 06:34 AM (7BU4a)

22 16 We are ruled by narcissistic teenagers.

No, we are ruled by narcissistic, Harvard-trained, know-nothing, thin-skinned adults.

At least narcissistic teenagers have the ability to learn from their mistakes.  These people can't - they give all glory and approbation to the "cause", to hell with anything or anyone else!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 06:35 AM (9hSKh)

23 19

At the rate things are going they will in all liklihood be "hunkered down" at some point.  Lucky for them they have places like Mt. Weather and the Greenbriar (the ones made public).

I demand mine shaft equality.  

Posted by: Beagle at January 31, 2011 11:34 AM (sOtz/)

Oooh, I'd like to go down a shaft!

Posted by: Bwarny Fwank at January 31, 2011 06:35 AM (LdYLm)

24 Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 11:33 AM (FcR7P)

You know... maybe we should all pose as Obama-bots and email him telling him how awesome he is and how much of thumb in the eye to those evil Rethuglicans it would be if he just didn't hire a new political director and managed his own campaign.  Then he could show how awesome he is at managing things (those evil 'thuglicans still think he's a terrible executive) while also shaming them into slashing their own staffs (staves?) by saving on that salary...

That would be a train-wreck worth watching if he tried that...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 31, 2011 06:36 AM (8y9MW)

25 O/T:   MSNBC talking to angry Egyptian tourists on the phone.  They are saying that they got no help from the American embassy.  They are saying, in response to "did you ever feel threatened" that they felt threatened when they got to their hotel.  They are saying that if they get out they aren't being flown to the US but to Istanbul or somewhere else.  The guy said his kids in the US were trying to contact the state department and had the same kind of "success" he had.


Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 06:36 AM (p302b)

26 26th!

Posted by: mallfly at January 31, 2011 06:37 AM (bJm7W)

27 You know who would make a good Egyptian President?  Me.

Posted by: barack hussein obama at January 31, 2011 06:38 AM (GTbGH)

28 more from Axlepud:

Enthusiastic youth voters -- many engaged in politics for the first time -- helped fuel Obama's 2008 presidential bid. How will Obama win the votes of young voters who may face tough employment prospects?

"We need to communicate vigorously with them," Axelrod said. "...there are obvious things that we have done that are meaningful to younger people that go to their particular interests. I think younger people more readily than anybody should appreciate what the president -- and will appreciate what the president -- was saying the other night, about how you build the future and what we need to do to secure the kind of future that they are going to live in. I think we have a strong case to make. But we just have to make it."
...

"And so, well, [former President] Clinton repositioned himself and, you know, [Obama] must be repositioning himself. I think what we've done is we've returned to first principles. So much of what he's done is a reflection of things that he said for a long time.

"If we were guilty of anything the first two years, it was we were getting so in the weeds of governance that we did not articulate consistently our principles, our values and our vision. But the principles, values and vision that he is projecting now are completely consistent," Axelrod said, referring to Obama speeches at the Democratic National Convention in Boston and to a college in central Illinois, "with the guy who stood, who spoke to the convention in 2004, who spoke at the Knox College commencement in 2005."
...

Posted by: momma at January 31, 2011 06:39 AM (penCf)

29 MSNBC talking to angry Egyptian tourists on the phone. They are saying that they got no help from the American embassy. They are saying, in response to "did you ever feel threatened" that they felt threatened when they got to their hotel. They are saying that if they get out they aren't being flown to the US but to Istanbul or somewhere else. The guy said his kids in the US were trying to contact the state department and had the same kind of "success" he had. Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 11:36 AM (p302b) Want to reduce the budget. Lets shit can the State and start all over again

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 06:39 AM (0GFWk)

30 I have a source who links this move to the Amish/Mennonite community.

Posted by: Deep Larynx at January 31, 2011 06:40 AM (ErXCa)

31

Axlegrease looks like what he is, a slimy, pathological, lowlife scumbag stuffed with maggots.

No, I don't like him....

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 06:42 AM (OlN4e)

32 Pakistan's nuclear arsenal now totals more than 100 deployed weapons, a doubling of its stockpile over the past several years in one of the world's most unstable regions, according to estimates by nongovernment analysts. More good news for today?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 06:42 AM (0GFWk)

33 At the rate things are going they will in all liklihood be "hunkered down" at some point.

I think the narcissist Obama's version of hunkering down is trying to govern in campaign mode.  Its the only thing he knows how to do.

In this regard, Obama is more incompetent than Carter who at least understood the electioneering had to end, and the administrating begin after the election was won.  Carter understood what the job would actually entail, even though he was poor at executing it.  I don't think Obama is comfortable with this executive position at all, nor do I think he has a full appreciation of what the job specs were/are.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 31, 2011 06:42 AM (6iP/C)

34

DC area nostril and ear hair removal specialists hardest hit.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 06:42 AM (pr+up)

35 We have already met our quota on assholes.

Posted by: Chicago at January 31, 2011 06:43 AM (mI11M)

36

Axlegrease looks like what he is, a slimy, pathological, lowlife scumbag stuffed with maggots.

No, I don't like him....

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 11:42 AM (OlN4e)

We fund him repulsive as well.

Posted by: Maggot anti defamation league at January 31, 2011 06:45 AM (pr+up)

37 O/T:  "State Department says more than 2,400 Americans have contacted US officials seeking government-chartered evacuation flights from Egypt - NBC"
via twitter breaking news

and oddly I read this morning that few Americans were registered with the embassy.  I'm wondering if they were caught off guard by the number of Americans they have to take care of?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 06:46 AM (p302b)

38 "Probably more than any time in my lifetime, it's an unfathomable race," Axelrod said You know what's unfathomable? "High-Speed Rail!" as a campaign slogan.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 06:47 AM (FcR7P)

39

We fund him repulsive as well.

Eh...fund = find

sock fail

 

Posted by: Maggot anti defamation league at January 31, 2011 06:47 AM (pr+up)

40 Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 11:25 AM (FcR7P)

If that is true then even with a dead girl and a live boy the Republican nominee will win.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at January 31, 2011 06:50 AM (LH6ir)

41

I'm wondering if they were caught off guard by the number of Americans they have to take care of?

You're supposed to expect 2-3x the number of registered Americans in these cases, IIRC.

Posted by: Alex at January 31, 2011 06:51 AM (J2ejK)

42 O/T: "State Department says more than 2,400 Americans have contacted US officials seeking government-chartered evacuation flights from Egypt - NBC" And I'm sure the Mubarak government is bending over backwards to find qualified pilots and planes to help their bestest buddy in the White House.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 06:52 AM (FcR7P)

43 via twitter breaking news:  "Muslim Brotherhood says it rejects new government, calls on Egyptians to continue with demonstrations until regime has fallen - NBC News"

I guess who is really in charge there is becoming clearer?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 06:52 AM (p302b)

44 Losers and their inside story are generally interesting to political strategists, as bad examples and how not to do it, publishers and the general public OTOH aren't as fascinated by the story of losers.

PA, why all the h8 for David Shrum?

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 06:52 AM (7GfKM)

45 38
You know what's unfathomable? "High-Speed Rail!" as a campaign slogan.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 11:47 AM (FcR7P)

Dunno ... this works for me: Obama: Ride Him Out of Town on a High-Speed Rail!

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 06:55 AM (7GfKM)

46 via twitter breaking news: "Muslim Brotherhood says it rejects new government, calls on Egyptians to continue with demonstrations until regime has fallen - NBC News" I guess who is really in charge there is becoming clearer? Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 11:52 AM (p302b) But have they cleared that with El-Baradei yet? Oh boy that's a hot one. I crack myself up sometimes.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 06:56 AM (0GFWk)

47 "We're certainly not going to hunker down."

But have you SEEN my Subaru?

Posted by: Courtney Bowles at January 31, 2011 06:57 AM (pqsMB)

48 OT: I've done a little research on Jon Huntsman and he looks a bit RINO-ish. Have any Utahans out there got a feel for him? Is he young McCain, or something better? How is he on second amendment issues?

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 06:58 AM (RD7QR)

49 Ya know if the USA really wanted to fly Americans out of Egypt all they have to do is ask permission of the Egyptian gov to fly in military transports and it's done. I am not sure what the problem is here? Other than incompetence

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 06:59 AM (0GFWk)

50 He can run from the political train wreck that is coming, but the stench will remain with him.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 31, 2011 06:59 AM (CpbrP)

51

"No, we are ruled by narcissistic, Harvard-trained, know-nothing, thin-skinned adults."

Precisely, except they think they know everything. They went to Harvard after all!!! God give us real men/women who come from working stock. Enough with the chosen elites.

Posted by: Tigtog at January 31, 2011 07:00 AM (Q5+Og)

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:00 AM (p302b)

53 48 OT: I've done a little research on Jon Huntsman and he looks a bit RINO-ish. Have any Utahans out there got a feel for him? Is he young McCain, or something better? How is he on second amendment issues?

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 11:58 AM (RD7QR)

There is only one Luke Skywalker!

Posted by: John McCain at January 31, 2011 07:00 AM (LdYLm)

54

Speaking of "high-speed rail" did anyone notice the news out of Germany?

Also, I'm pretty sure high-speed rail is not nice to the environment.  Everything they support they will also end up opposing.  See, windmills and NIMBY.  

Posted by: Beagle at January 31, 2011 07:00 AM (sOtz/)

55 48 OT: I've done a little research on Jon Huntsman and he looks a bit RINO-ish. Have any Utahans out there got a feel for him? Is he young McCain, or something better? How is he on second amendment issues?

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 11:58 AM (RD7QR)

He's a rock-ribbed conservsative...like me!

http://tinyurl.com/4hu5det


 

Posted by: Scott Brown at January 31, 2011 07:01 AM (pr+up)

56 Incompetence?  Taken by surprise?

No, they don't give a shit.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 07:01 AM (o3bYL)

57 There is another....Skywalker McCain. [Fades away...]

Posted by: John "Master Yoda" McCain at January 31, 2011 07:02 AM (RD7QR)

58

BTW, my wife came up with this little slogan:

BOOT: Barack Obama One Term.  

Posted by: Beagle at January 31, 2011 07:02 AM (sOtz/)

59 58 BTW, my wife came up with this little slogan: BOOT: Barack Obama One Term. Posted by: Beagle at January 31, 2011 12:02 PM (sOtz/) So very, very stolen. (Seriously, go to Cafe Press and make up some bumper stickers. I'd buy one.)

Posted by: John at January 31, 2011 07:03 AM (RD7QR)

60 48 OT: I've done a little research on Jon Huntsman and he looks a bit RINO-ish.

Based on what do you find him to be RINOish? 

So far the only knock I've found against him is that he signed into a consortium of western states on carbon trading (WIC).  I think Utah may have pulled out of it (under Herbert). 

Reading circa 2008 news articles about him, I'm finding him called a "centrist" who angered some conservatives because of three things:  he loosened our liquor laws here, supported civil unions for gays, and the WIC thing.  He was re-elected with 78% of the vote. 

I am still researching how the WIC thing came about -- but I will say we have a serious smog problem in this state in the winter time b/c of the geography of our most populated valleys. 

He paid lip service to a path to citizenship for illegals (similar to Palin's statements from around that same time), but did not veto any legislation on addressing illegal aliens.  Obviously he's spotless on guns.  Also reportedly fine on abortion restrictions and reported good on taxes in the local media (so far as I've seen). 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:08 AM (pW2o8)

61 Oh, but the Daily Caller points out he's rich. 

So I guess I can't vote for him. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:09 AM (pW2o8)

62

How bout: B.O.A.T.

Barak, One Angery Trotskiite

 

 

(took 5mins to think of this one...patting myself on the back)

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 07:10 AM (pr+up)

63

I like to call it: "The Kardashian Administration".

And what exactly is your talent?

Posted by: Bosk at January 31, 2011 07:11 AM (pUO5u)

64 FOX TV is reporting that a Leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood is calling for the immediate end of gas supplies being sent to Israel ( which is done by treaty) and the preperaton for War with Israel.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 07:12 AM (0GFWk)

65 so the administration jumps right in with Egypt and remained silent with I ran.  What does that mean actually?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:13 AM (p302b)

66 Ain't gonna hunker in no bunker.

See ya.

~ Da Axe

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 31, 2011 07:14 AM (pRKLf)

67 So, you're joined at the hip with this Obama guy riding him to the top, so naturally your "plan" was always to bail on him when he needs you the most facing the most hostile political environment he's ever had to face and dump the mess in 2nd stringer Plouff's lap to try and sort out? Right. OK. Sure.

Actually, while it nearly causes me physical pain to agree with Axelrod, stacks of press coverage going all the way back to Obama's inauguration have said that Axelrod would stay in the White House for only a couple years, then leave to work on the re-election campaign.

Posted by: MikeJ at January 31, 2011 07:14 AM (Xg3TS)

68 Good to hear that Huntsman is good on taxes and second amendment. I'm really casting around for someone better than our current crop of potential candidates. If this guy doesn't stumble he could be somebody everybody rallies around. 64 FOX TV is reporting that a Leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood is calling for the immediate end of gas supplies being sent to Israel ( which is done by treaty) and the preperaton for War with Israel. Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 12:12 PM (0GFWk) Don't they ALWAYS do that?

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 07:14 AM (RD7QR)

69 so the administration jumps right in with Egypt and remained silent with I ran. What does that mean actually? Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 12:13 PM (p302b) Well that they don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to the Middle East and they are gonna get us all Killed?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 07:15 AM (0GFWk)

70 FOX TV is reporting that a Leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood is calling for the immediate end of gas supplies being sent to Israel ( which is done by treaty) and the preperaton for War with Israel. Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 12:12 PM (0GFWk) Don't they ALWAYS do that? Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 12:14 PM (RD7QR) Yup but now they are inching close to power

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 07:15 AM (0GFWk)

71 Of course, there's the open question of whether evangelicals will go for a mormon...

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 07:17 AM (RD7QR)

72 64 FOX TV is reporting that a Leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood is calling for the immediate end of gas supplies being sent to Israel ( which is done by treaty) and the preperaton for War with Israel.

All is going to the MB's plan.

How many MBs have escaped/been released from prison? 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 07:17 AM (9hSKh)

73 71 Of course, there's the open question of whether evangelicals will go for a mormon... Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 12:17 PM (RD7QR) [Dons flameproof suit]

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 07:17 AM (RD7QR)

74 Good to hear that Huntsman is good on taxes and second amendment. I'm really casting around for someone better than our current crop crap of potential candidates.

FIFY

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 31, 2011 07:17 AM (pRKLf)

75 How many MBs have escaped/been released from prison? Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 12:17 PM (9hSKh) Seems like a whole bunch

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 07:17 AM (0GFWk)

76 Here's what I posted about Huntsman in the straw poll thread. It's pretty much just his Wiki page, but I'll save you the searching.

"Another 2012 possibility for me, who is not on this list, is Jon Huntsman. He is a rare governor with foreign policy experience, as well as private sector. He is suitably conservative on most issues. As a former missionary in Taiwan, he speaks fluent Mandarin. President Obama appointed him as ambassador to China. Huntsman has been awarded six honorary doctorate degrees, so he's frightfully intelligent. He graduated from University of Utah and got his bachelor's at U Penn. But he dropped out of high school to join a rock band, loves metal and played with REO Speedwagon at a state fair. As a Mormon, Glenn Beck has already spoken favorably about him as a primary candidate. He'd easily win NV.

Before people worry that he's too moderate after working in the Obama administration, he was a White House staff assistant during the Reagan years, Bush Sr.'s Deputy Assistant Secretary of Commerce and ambassador to Singapore and a Deputy US Trade Representative under W. This guy has serious policy chops, and I look forward to hearing his ideas."

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 07:18 AM (mHQ7T)

77

Christians and Jooos acting stupidly...again.

 

Posted by: B.H. O'brother at January 31, 2011 07:18 AM (pr+up)

78

OT, but it's been a while since we've had any decent Assmunch dickery to bash, so I just have to share.

From the UK's Daily Mail:

'They're informants... if they get killed, they deserve it': New book reveals shocking disregard of Julian Assange towards Afghans named in WikiLeaks cables

Now I only believe so much when it comes to hearsay, but given Asshat's generally blase attitude towards the safety of anyone but himself, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find this is true.  I certainly wouldn't call it "shocking" coming from the twisted piece of excrement.

Also:

As he tried to flee to his Norfolk bolt-hole last November he dressed up as an elderly woman to avoid capture.

James Ball, who works for WikiLeaks, says in The Guardian's book 'You can't imagine how ridiculous it was. He'd stayed dressed up as an old woman for more than two hours.'

AWESOME.

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 07:19 AM (4df7R)

79 How many MBs have escaped/been released from prison?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 12:17 PM (9hSKh)

Too many?

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 31, 2011 07:19 AM (pRKLf)

80

We can haz weather thread?

I thought it wasn't going to bother me, but we're going to get high winds and possible tornadoes.  IOW, I will definitely lose power.

Lose it every other month for no reason, grumble grumble.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 07:19 AM (XdlcF)

81 Of course, there's the open question of whether evangelicals will go for a mormon...

I always thought Mitt Romney's biggest obstacle was his spineless character, not his religion.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 07:20 AM (mHQ7T)

82 News out of Egypt is not sounding good today.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 07:20 AM (1sRTx)

83 @58 BTW, my wife came up with this little slogan: BOOT: Barack Obama One Term. Posted by: Beagle at January 31, 2011 12:02 PM (sOtz/) Howz about- DAS BOOT : Damn Asshole Socialist Barack Obama One Term.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 31, 2011 07:21 AM (+kzvp)

84 so the administration jumps right in with Egypt and remained silent with Iran. What does that mean actually? Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 12:13 PM (p302b) Birth certificates are important?

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 07:21 AM (FcR7P)

85 'They're informants... if they get killed, they deserve it': New book reveals shocking disregard of Julian Assange towards Afghans named in WikiLeaks cables

Won't someone just please go ahead and beat this pansy to death with a lead pipe?  The world has fallen into pussitude.



And I denounce my own vitriole.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 31, 2011 07:22 AM (GTbGH)

86

Lose it every other month for no reason, grumble grumble.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 12:19 PM (XdlcF)

This is no accident and your rates will neccessarily sky-rocket.

 

Posted by: B.H. O'brother at January 31, 2011 07:22 AM (pr+up)

87 News out of Egypt is not sounding good today. Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 12:20 PM (1sRTx) But Obama, Hillary , and Biden on the job? Oh G-D we're all gonna die!

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 07:22 AM (0GFWk)

88 Ya know with all the shit that is going on in Egypt this would be a good time to off Assanger. Just saying.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 07:23 AM (0GFWk)

89

We can haz weather thread?

I thought it wasn't going to bother me, but we're going to get high winds and possible tornadoes.  IOW, I will definitely lose power.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 12:19 PM (XdlcF)

Stay safe!  I could never live anywhere prone to tornadoes.  I'm a complete wimp when it comes to severe storms.  I denounce myself.

Lose it every other month for no reason, grumble grumble.

Gah, sounds like my hometown here in NH.  It could be a beautiful, bright, sunny summer day, no wind or rain, and BAM!  Power would go out.  And just in OUR section of the town.  Cross over Route 77 and everyone in the SOUTHERN half of town would still have their lights on.  Bastards.

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 07:23 AM (4df7R)

90

This is no accident and your rates will neccessarily sky-rocket.

I knew it!

And they say I'm too paranoid...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 07:24 AM (XdlcF)

91 Some snow and then some ice for us here in the Philly area. Just the thing for commuting. Sigh. Make it be April, okay?

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 07:25 AM (RD7QR)

92 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 12:18 PM

Tattoo, Was that from one of our Beehive morons?


I remember some criticism about him here over an effort to have school vouchers in our state.  My recollection was that he was criticized for failing to promote the pro-voucher side when it came up to a vote.  The guy on the other side of the issue (some business guy - perhaps the Overstock.com guy - who was paying the bills for the pro-voucher side) was really vicious about Huntsman in the press, so it looked kind of personal. 

Anyway, my read was Huntsman chose to not wade in on that issue because our public schools are grossly underfunded on a per capita basis (lots of kids per family, low wages in Utah) so a voucher program could be a problem. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:25 AM (pW2o8)

93 wow Beck played some guy on the networks portraying the brotherhood as sort of the boys and girls club of the middle east.  Then he gives a laundry list of bad guys doing stuff who are part of this brotherhood.  Why isn't the MSM telling Americans and Egyptians this?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:26 AM (p302b)

94 Ya know with all the shit that is going on in Egypt this would be a good time to off Assanger. Just saying.

You would think that with him being such a notorious Muslim apostate and ethnic Jew, the MB would make the effort.

*cough*

Posted by: toby928™ at January 31, 2011 07:26 AM (GTbGH)

95 IOW, I will definitely lose power.
------
Sorry to hear that, MamaAJ.  Are you stocked up at home?

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:26 AM (pW2o8)

96

Huntsman graduated from Penn in 1987 with a bachelorÂ’s degree in international politics. He was a member of the UniversityÂ’s Board of Trustees from 1996 through 2000, and his family has been a strong benefactor of the University, endowing the Huntsman Program in International Studies and Business and Jon M. Huntsman Hall, named for the ambassadorÂ’s father, at PennÂ’s Wharton School.

Interesting. Want to know more.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 07:27 AM (XdlcF)

97 Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 12:27 PM (XdlcF)

If you knew you were inheriting the family business then why would you major in international politics?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:28 AM (p302b)

98 So, Huntsman is old money then.  Not necessarily disqualifying.  Pierre call-m-pete Dupont a pretty reliable conservative, I think.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 31, 2011 07:29 AM (GTbGH)

99 Do you suppose Obama's ego has gotten so puffed up that he actually believes that he's the chief strategist and doesn't need Axelrod?

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 11:25 AM (FcR7P)

 

I hope so. Let Barry's ego run his 2012 campaign

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 31, 2011 07:29 AM (1Jaio)

100 If you knew you were inheriting the family business then why would you major in international politics? Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 12:28 PM (p302b) Deliberate preparation for a career in politics.

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 07:29 AM (RD7QR)

101

Stay safe!  I could never live anywhere prone to tornadoes. 

I'm still traumatized from the one that went through our neighborhood when we first moved in.

I had no clue it was a tornado at the time, cuz I'm an idiot, but afterwards...

Sorry to hear that, MamaAJ.  Are you stocked up at home?


Mostly, need to double check!!

Posted by: Mama AJ, trying to find where the kids hid all the flashlights at January 31, 2011 07:30 AM (XdlcF)

102 beck and company are having fun laughing and saying basically that unrest has broken out practically all over the world gave a huge list of countries and yet they say it can't happen here and then they play some guy from Chicago demonstrating and demanding a revolution.

I think beck wants you to tie the chicago guy to the brotherhood folks, but that's a stretch oh and to france piven,  I see the chicago guy tie in with piven but not with the brotherhood.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:30 AM (p302b)

103 Wow. Commenting on AoS is really sucking my cell phone battery dry.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2011 07:31 AM (1sRTx)

104 93 wow Beck played some guy on the networks portraying the brotherhood as sort of the boys and girls club of the middle east.  Then he gives a laundry list of bad guys doing stuff who are part of this brotherhood.  Why isn't the MSM telling Americans and Egyptians this?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 12:26 PM (p302b)

Oh pulease! Did you notice the MB as the 4H club meme being spewed from the talkings heads this weekend?? The Tea Party in comparison is HAMAS...I loathe the MFM. 

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 07:31 AM (pr+up)

105 Morons suck the energy out of all sources, the better to charge up Ace's Death Ray of Destruction and Stuff. Or should I have shut up about that?

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 07:32 AM (RD7QR)

106

Oops, forgot to mention the source of my quote was from some Penn press release when Hunstman got an honorary degree.

Linky.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 07:33 AM (XdlcF)

107 Huntsman has no chance, he's not harvard.  You have to be Harvard or Yale.  They sort of let Columbia in peripherally but really UPenn is thought of almost as badly as Cornell and Dartmouth.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:33 AM (p302b)

108 Or should I have shut up about that?

The first rule of Death Ray of Destruction Club...

Posted by: AoSHQ stylebook at January 31, 2011 07:34 AM (GTbGH)

109 Penn is Ivy league, and Wharton School is big medicine in the business world. Maybe they'll make an exception for him.

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 07:34 AM (RD7QR)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at January 31, 2011 07:35 AM (pLTLS)

111 107 Huntsman has no chance, he's not harvard.  You have to be Harvard or Yale.  They sort of let Columbia in peripherally but really UPenn is thought of almost as badly as Cornell and Dartmouth.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 12:33 PM (p302b)

Hey! what about me?? Its my color isn't it!!

Raaaaaaaaaaacist!!!

 

Posted by: Brown at January 31, 2011 07:35 AM (pr+up)

112 OT: interesting counterpoint from haaretz.com: Returning Israelis: Egypt protests are not as bad as they seem

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 07:36 AM (FcR7P)

113 methinks the 12 apostles in the office building off of Temple square are hedging their bets on Mittens. Huntsman would bring some depth the media could not attack.

Posted by: Jean at January 31, 2011 07:36 AM (aemFw)

Posted by: momma at January 31, 2011 07:37 AM (penCf)

115 Posted by: Brown at January 31, 2011 12:35 PM (pr+up)
Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2011 12:34 PM (RD7QR)

I was sort of being tongue in cheek.

Interesting that two prominent wharton grads are stepping up.  Trump and Huntsman.  Coincidence?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:37 AM (p302b)

116 BTW, if you're joined at the hip, wouldn't it be hard to ride someone? 

Posted by: AoSHQ stylebook of mixed metaphors at January 31, 2011 07:38 AM (GTbGH)

117 endowing the Huntsman Program in International Studies and Business and Jon M. Huntsman Hall, named for the ambassadorÂ’s father, at PennÂ’s Wharton School.

Interesting. Want to know more.

*****

Huntsman Sr is a billionaire.  Jr worked in a real capacity in the company as well.  I think he has meaningful business chops.

One thing I'm curious about is how Jr's environmental policies jibe with his family's business interests.  On the one hand, that reassures me that he is not an eco-nazi, even if he needs educating on AGW.  On the other hand, when he took the Amb in China, at the time I did some reading and was a little concerned there was a potl for conflict of interest because of the ongoing activities of the Huntsman Corp in the far east. 

I don't mean to imply I'm pushing him, but I am a little frustrated by the misinformation I've been reading about him around the intertubes and the laughable characterization that he's some big social liberal. 


FWIW, I've read in the local media (from 2008 archives) that Huntsman Jr, unlike his dad (who is an Area Seventy - LDS church official), describes himself as not being a very devout Mormon.  I think Mitt is a more devout Mormon than Huntsman Jr.  I don't think this is a walk-back to appease evangelicals, but really how he sees himself. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:38 AM (pW2o8)

118
 The Tea Party in comparison is HAMAS




Hey, I went to a bunch of local TP rallys, where's my evil gun show loophole Katyusha rockets and RPG7s? I am depressed.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 31, 2011 07:38 AM (TAjuH)

119

 They sort of let Columbia in peripherally but really UPenn is thought of almost as badly as Cornell and Dartmouth.

...when not mistaken for Penn State (NTTAWWT)

Wharton School is big medicine in the business world

Yep, yep.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 07:38 AM (XdlcF)

120 Huntsman would bring some depth the media could not attack. No way, he's Mormon so he's weird and creepy and is a follower of Brigham Young's descendant, Steve.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 07:39 AM (FcR7P)

121 They sort of let Columbia in peripherally but really UPenn is thought of almost as badly as Cornell and Dartmouth.

I have to disagree. Wharton is the top B-school. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:39 AM (pW2o8)

122

Interesting. Want to know more.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 12:27 PM (XdlcF)

That's why I pointed out his private sector experience. Huntsman Corporation is a global chemical company with 11,000 employees and revenues of approximately $8 billion.

Huntsman serves a variety of end markets, the largest of which is consumer durables and non-durables, followed by paints and coatings, insulation and other construction materials, chemicals, energy and aerospace.

Huntsman holds global leadership positions in MDI (diphenylmethane diisocyanate), polyurethane catalysts, epoxy adhesives, epoxy powder coating systems, aerospace composites, electrical insulating materials, textile effect chemicals, polyetheramines, ethylene and propylene carbonates, and maleic anhydride. Its technologies are used in markets such as adhesives and inks, aerospace, automotive, coatings, construction, electronics, medical, marine, sports equipment and wind power generation. Plus, he served as an executive for the Huntsman Cancer Foundation. He has a grasp on two hot button issues this election: jobs and healthcare.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 07:39 AM (mHQ7T)

123

Ahhh!

Huntsmen-burton!!11!!

Posted by: Liberal idiot, mixing memes at January 31, 2011 07:41 AM (XdlcF)

124 115 George Soros' ties to the chaos in Egypt


Posted by: momma at January 31, 2011 12:37 PM (penCf)

Yeesh, Soros is OZ. Btw...how old is he? He can't have too much time left... can he?

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 07:42 AM (pr+up)

125

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 12:38 PM (pW2o

Anything's better than a closet Muslim. Evangelicals will agree.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 07:42 AM (mHQ7T)

126 Yeah, but Obama's reselection campaign will be based in Chicago.

Axelrod is going to try to get Skippy another four years of golf.

Posted by: Socpupit at January 31, 2011 07:42 AM (uiKEv)

127 98 So, Huntsman is old money then.  Not necessarily disqualifying. 

Huntsman Sr is self-made billionaire, so at least Jr is not really old money.  He's second generation money.  I think that's a big difference compared to the Kennedys, Rockefellers, and that type. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:42 AM (pW2o8)

128 Yeesh, Soros is OZ. Btw...how old is he? He can't have too much time left... can he?

His two sons are worse than their old man.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 07:43 AM (mHQ7T)

129 Huntsman's bio on wiki shows clearly the difference between the wealthy and the plebeians.  He dropped out of HS to join a rock band, ended up going to local university and then conveniently transfers to u penn where his degree is awarded.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:43 AM (p302b)

130

Interesting that two prominent wharton grads are stepping up.

The Fighting Quakers will take over the world!!!!

Posted by: Mama AJ, oxy-moron at January 31, 2011 07:43 AM (XdlcF)

131 Anything's better than a closet Muslim. Evangelicals will agree.

I'm sure some won't vote for a Mormon, but I think some will.  I personally know an Evangelical who voted for Mitt in the CA primary.  Even had a yard sign. 

It's like any group -- there are the really hard core folks and the folks who are more flexible. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:44 AM (pW2o8)

132

Huntsman has been awarded six honorary doctorate degrees, so he's frightfully intelligent.

Not necessarily.

 

Posted by: Mortimer Snerd at January 31, 2011 07:44 AM (mQMnK)

133 hey Axe, don't forget you still have to pay us!!!!!

Posted by: palin steele and archie bunker at January 31, 2011 07:44 AM (BP6Z1)

134 Am I first - Palin/Huntsman or Huntsman/Palin

Posted by: Jean at January 31, 2011 07:45 AM (lnUW/)

135 the home and garden channel has been running commercials telling people that some guy predicted everything right, up until now, so now you should watch his film and he'll tell you what is coming.  They didn't give the guys name.  Right away thought it was mr. sorrow...but didn't copy the website so can't go watch the "little film".

Anyone else see these commercials?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:46 AM (p302b)

136

Momma, I posted a link that Breitbart tweeted this morning to an article on Big Govt. How big labor (which is also soros) is behind the riots. They really want communist revolution. Oh and btw, our state department.

http://bit.ly/f45AH7

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 07:46 AM (0Hp4r)

137 He dropped out of HS to join a rock band, ended up going to local university and then conveniently transfers to u penn where his degree is awarded.

First, the U is an excellent state university.

Second, almost every Mormon male transfers.  They start out their schooling, then go on their mission, then come back.  It's actually a pain in the ass for the state universities here because our retention rates look so bad.  The really telling thing is he got into Penn and didn't wind up at BYU. 

I really doubt that he only got into Penn because of his dad. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:46 AM (pW2o8)

138 Huntsman has been awarded six honorary doctorate degrees, so he's frightfully intelligent rich. Edited to reflect how college works.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 07:46 AM (FcR7P)

139 Am I first - Palin/Huntsman or Huntsman/Palin Oh, dear, even his name says 'guns'.

Posted by: The MFM at January 31, 2011 07:47 AM (FcR7P)

140 Hey Barry, check under the front axle, - I think we may be high centered.

Posted by: David Axelturf at January 31, 2011 07:48 AM (GwPRU)

141 I really doubt that he only got into Penn because of his dad. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 12:46 PM (pW2o


yeah, you're right.  I mean so what if there's a building there named for him, it makes no difference in their decision to admit him.  What was I thinking, how stupid of me.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:48 AM (p302b)

142 113 OT: interesting counterpoint from haaretz.com:

Returning Israelis: Egypt protests are not as bad as they seem

Still, the Israeli military is taking precautions:

Israel allows Egypt move several hundred troops into Sinai Peninsula for the first time since 1979 peace treaty - AP http://bit.ly/hq3nGy

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 07:48 AM (9hSKh)

143 Not necessarily.

Quiet, Wormwood, or I'll whittle you into a venetian blind.

Posted by: WC Fields at January 31, 2011 07:48 AM (mHQ7T)

144 I think Huntsman could be a fine VP candidate.  I'm not sure yet about POTUS, but VP seems like a no-brainer to me. 

I hope a guy like him is not too damaged with smears early on because he really could be a useful addition to a ticket. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:49 AM (pW2o8)

145 71 Of course, there's the open question of whether evangelicals will go for a mormon...   You mean they might be prejudiced against him simply because he's one of us?

Posted by: Mortimer Snerd at January 31, 2011 07:50 AM (mQMnK)

146 @ curious Hating on the successful doesn't go over well among Republicans.

Posted by: WC Fields at January 31, 2011 07:50 AM (mHQ7T)

147 FOX TV is reporting that a Leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood is calling for the immediate end of gas supplies being sent to Israel ( which is done by treaty) and the preperaton for War with Israel.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 12:12 PM (0GFWk)

If anyone in the administration had a clue, that would be the out they would be looking for.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 31, 2011 07:51 AM (CpbrP)

148

He graduated in 87.

The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania is now at home in the world's most advanced academic center for management education. The $139.9-million, 324,000 square-foot facility – named Jon M. Huntsman Hall after the Wharton alumnus, corporate leader, and philanthropist – opened in August, 2002.

Posted by: Mama AJ, oxy-moron at January 31, 2011 07:51 AM (XdlcF)

149 147 @ curious Hating on the successful doesn't go over well among Republicans.

Posted by: WC Fields at January 31, 2011 12:50 PM (mHQ7T)


who is "hating on the successful?"

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 07:51 AM (p302b)

150 yeah, you're right.  I mean so what if there's a building there named for him, it makes no difference in their decision to admit him.  What was I thinking, how stupid of me

Your "argument" for his admission into Penn was that he got into a local university and then transferred to Penn... plus the building name.

Eliminate the transfer argument for a moment, acknowledge that his dad has his name on buildings, endowments, and programs in many universities - including BYU - and ask yourself if your argument makes sense.

Or do you really think Wharton is that shoddy of a school? 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 07:52 AM (pW2o8)

151 I think beck wants you to tie the chicago guy to the brotherhood folks, but that's a stretch oh and to france piven,  I see the chicago guy tie in with piven but not with the brotherhood.

Frances Piven ought to be worried about where the fuck her next lay is coming from rather than where her next goddamn riot's coming from. If she'd get her ass out to fuckin bars at night and go hustlin around the goddamn street she might get a prick stuck in her once in a while.

Posted by: Earl Weaver at January 31, 2011 07:52 AM (MadRw)

152 and oddly I read this morning that few Americans were registered with the embassy. I'm wondering if they were caught off guard by the number of Americans they have to take care of?
Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 11:46 AM

As you doubtless know, "registering with the embassy" is something that long-term visitors _should_ do, but don't always. In addition, our state dept. (supposedly) keeps track of who comes in, but not who goes out or where they go. It's what happens in an open society.

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 31, 2011 07:52 AM (fVwV8)

153 Don't focus on the degrees, the media will infer that he is smart because he speaks Chinese - and they can't.

Posted by: Jean at January 31, 2011 07:52 AM (G5WHn)

154 129 Yeesh, Soros is OZ. Btw...how old is he? He can't have too much time left... can he?

His two sons are worse than their old man.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 12:43 PM (mHQ7T)

Oh man, God help us...Anti American billionares shorting the worlds economies, pushing a sociallist progressive agenda and fomenting dissent in 3rd world nations. Chips off the ol' block.     

Nice.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 07:53 AM (pr+up)

155

I just don't know why I think I need my money more than my alma mater does...

 

State-of-the-art Academic Building 48 classrooms and 57 group study rooms all with capabilities for multimedia, audio videoconferencing, video production and editing, connectivity between group work stations and Internet access.
Four teaching labs.
Two study lounges; two social lounges.
4,000 square-foot Forum that will be the center of undergraduate life and activity, accommodating up to 500 people for special events.
A Colloquium, located on the top floor, will host faculty research events. It features a main presentation room with seating for up to 200, as well as meeting rooms.
East Hall, a sky-lit meeting space with commanding views of both the academic core of PennÂ’s campus and of Center City, Philadelphia.
A 300-seat auditorium and foyer on the ground floor for large lectures, guest speaker series, major student and faculty conferences, as well as alumni events.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 07:53 AM (XdlcF)

156 I think Huntsman could be a fine VP candidate.  I'm not sure yet about POTUS, but VP seems like a no-brainer to me.

A guy busts his hump putting together that resume, and you think he wants to give the top slot to anyone else currently in the field? Another thing, raising the money to go up against Obama will not be difficult for him.

Posted by: WC Fields at January 31, 2011 07:53 AM (mHQ7T)

157 Off, zombie sock!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 07:54 AM (mHQ7T)

158 ".. we have three branches of government .. we have a House, we have a Senate and we have a President ..."

Posted by: Chuck "The Schmuck" Schumer at January 31, 2011 07:54 AM (tvs2p)

159 Don't focus on the degrees, the media will infer that he is smart because he speaks Chinese - and they can't.

Posted by: Jean at January 31, 2011 12:52 PM (G5WHn)

Geithner can. That would be an amusing SNL skit with Huntsman and Turbo Tax Timmeh speaking economic kung fu.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 07:56 AM (mHQ7T)

160

It would be shoddy for the school to admit someone on their name? Or not? I don't understand.

Of course they would admit him on his name. It happens all the time. I know them...then they coast on their name. It's standard.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 07:57 AM (0Hp4r)

161

who is "hating on the successful?"

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 12:51 PM (p302b)

You just said he only got into Wharton as a legacy.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 07:58 AM (mHQ7T)

162 Let's see his transcripts and grades!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 07:58 AM (mHQ7T)

163 A guy busts his hump putting together that resume, and you think he wants to give the top slot to anyone else currently in the field?

No, I don't necessarily "want" him to, but I think if for some reason another candidate pops up as the nominee, I'd like to have the option. 

I'm really undecided about Huntsman.  My main interest now is seeing if he really does resign (which the local media are now saying he's going to do, too) and learning as much factual information about his record as I can and seeing what his platform/priorities would be. 

Right now it seems like there's a strong undercurrent of "purity" running through the GOP.  Those folks are less impressed by what I'd call qualifications/resume and more concerned with perfection in what a candidate says.  If that continues, then I suspect Huntsman has no chance and that the GOP will lose in 2012.   

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 08:00 AM (pW2o8)

164 I googled huntsman + rove and this came up.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 08:00 AM (p302b)

165

You just said he only got into Wharton as a legacy.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 12:58 PM (mHQ7T)

I'm sure he had the qualifications and the legacy didn't hurt.  I was also saying why not Harvard or Yale.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 08:02 AM (p302b)

166 he looks creepily like mittens to me.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 08:02 AM (p302b)

167 Of course they would admit him on his name. It happens all the time. I know them...then they coast on their name. It's standard.

Well, my husband has been at the upper level (VP level) of some really great places for quite a while now - and I also worked in higher ed admin in a very good B-school's dean's office - and we have only observed requests for admissions and HDrs based on connections without merit being turned down.  And our professional colleagues from other schools shared similar stories.  So I'm curious where you've worked that you've seen otherwise. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 08:03 AM (pW2o8)

168

  Once again Obama's prescience with the moratorium on drilling in the gulf is proving to be a brilliant stroke of international and domestic energy policy.

BRILLIANT!!!   

 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 08:03 AM (pr+up)

169 I'm sure he had the qualifications and the legacy didn't hurt.  I was also saying why not Harvard or Yale.

Wharton is the top B-school.  Yale doesn't even rate.  I'd put Chicago's above Yale. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 08:03 AM (pW2o8)

170 Those folks are less impressed by what I'd call qualifications/resume and more concerned with perfection in what a candidate says.  If that continues, then I suspect Huntsman has no chance and that the GOP will lose in 2012.   

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 01:00 PM (pW2o

In other words, the GOP will let the media pick their candidate again. Axelrod is going back to his astroturfing, and we're screwed. I hope this guy is smarter than that. Two-term governor, I would think he knows how to win. We'll see.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:04 AM (mHQ7T)

171 Huntsman is also interesting because he's not a lawyer.  I think we've had enough of lawyer-politicians.

Posted by: grognard at January 31, 2011 08:04 AM (NS2Mo)

172 Did anyone catch Col. West on Hucklebee this weekend?  I meant to try to watch, but something came up.  I'm really curiosu what he said about Egypt. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 08:06 AM (pW2o8)

173 Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 01:03 PM (pW2o

but wiki says he only got his batchelor's at UPenn in international politics.  That is what I was speaking about.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 08:06 AM (p302b)

174 curious - from your link: "he promised his family they would “come up for air” sometime in 2010 to decide how much longer they would stay in Beijing. “ -- rough analogy when dealing with the Chinese, I wonder if he said it or the reporter put those words in his mouth.

Posted by: Jean at January 31, 2011 08:06 AM (lnUW/)

175 `129 Yeesh, Soros is OZ. Btw...how old is he? He can't have too much time left... can he?

His two sons are worse than their old man.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 12:43 PM (mHQ7T)

Funny how that works.

Posted by: Zombie Saddam Hussein at January 31, 2011 08:07 AM (NS2Mo)

176 Huntsman is basically Mitt Romney with more personality but less business sense. I'd need to do some digging to make sure my facts are right, but from what I understood his dad (the Huntsman Beck always raves about) gave him some responsibility in the family business, and Jon Jr. made some lunkheaded decisions and slunk away into politics. Utah's legislature requires a balanced budget, so when the policies previous governors Leavitt and Walker had set up gave our state an enormous budget surplus during his term, he got to spend it and look like a hero. But he wasn't a bad governor, all things considering. I was worried, since he got elected based on the family name, but was pleasantly surprised at how he actually governed. I like Romney, fwiw, but if I had to choose between the two I'd pick Huntsman for 2012 hands down. An excellent resume especially with the international experience, very smart, picture perfect fam with adopted Chinese baby, same pretteh hair as Romney with no stench of 2008 loser candidate hanging over his head. And most importantly, I think he is willing to go toe to toe to Obama and not shirk a fight, if it comes to that. If personality is still important for voters in 2012, he is much more energetic than Romney and will connect better with voters. He's a moderate enough repub that independents and softie dems won't have a problem voting for him. Not the worst candidate in the GOP queue. Hah, thats my two cents worth, hope it helps.

Posted by: LizLem at January 31, 2011 08:07 AM (lSuMX)

177 he looks creepily like mittens to me.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 01:02 PM (p302b)

You liked Carl Paladino, so one shudders to think what you find "normal."

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:07 AM (mHQ7T)

178 178 he looks creepily like mittens to me.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 01:02 PM (p302b)

You liked Carl Paladino, so one shudders to think what you find "normal."

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 01:07 PM (mHQ7T)

hahahhahahhhhahah

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 08:09 AM (p302b)

179 But he wasn't a bad governor, all things considering.

No, then he'd really be like Romney.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:09 AM (mHQ7T)

180 Y-not, there are connections - and there are connections that build buildings. But, it seems Huntsman has proven his chops, so I think you have to assume he could have gotten in on his own.

Posted by: Jean at January 31, 2011 08:09 AM (aemFw)

181 Hah, thats my two cents worth, hope it helps.

That's a good take. I'm just happy to see some new faces that aren't too new.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:11 AM (mHQ7T)

182 Funny how that works. Posted by: Zombie Saddam Hussein at January 31, 2011 01:07 PM (NS2Mo) Yep.

Posted by: Barack Obama Sr. or Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis at January 31, 2011 08:11 AM (FcR7P)

183 I think the field for the republicans is terrible.  I don't know what to think about huntsman but it makes me nervous that BO appears to have chosen him as his rival and the MSM along with him.

I really do wish some obscure but fabulous candidate will emerge that even inedpnedents like me will love.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 08:11 AM (p302b)

184 I think demint will emerge as a player.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 08:13 AM (p302b)

185 Judicial branch?

Posted by: Chuckie at January 31, 2011 08:16 AM (c5RQr)

186 Fred?

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 08:16 AM (+sBB4)

187 Crap Huntsman, where is my base now?

Posted by: "I like Mandates" at January 31, 2011 08:17 AM (c5RQr)

188 I really do wish some obscure but fabulous candidate will emerge that even inedpnedents like me will love. Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 01:11 PM (p302b) ------- Then they will crush our enemies and drive them to the hell from which they came, yada yada

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 08:19 AM (c5RQr)

189 I would continue with the plan on blaming Bush again. It worked last time, so it should work again !!!

Posted by: Carney Johnson at January 31, 2011 08:19 AM (By4wu)

190 There is a chance, depending on economic conditions, that Obama could lose in 2012. His accomplishments and his oratory skills won't save him if unemployment is still high. But, then again, I wouldn't put it past you wingers to hand President Obama victory on a silver platter by nominating some unelectable, unprofessional nutjob like Palin.

Posted by: Jason D. at January 31, 2011 08:20 AM (sqLKs)

191 If he's a non-Harvard, non-lawyer governor. That is a great starting point. Yeah, I'm feeling a little burned by Harvard right now.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2011 08:20 AM (FcR7P)

192 The MFM meme will be Huntman's a quitter. He resigned from being Gov and he's resigning as ambassador.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2011 08:20 AM (tf9Ne)

193 191 There is a chance, depending on economic conditions, that Obama could lose in 2012. His accomplishments

....and that's where you left the real world for la-la land.

Posted by: grognard at January 31, 2011 08:21 AM (NS2Mo)

194 There is a chance, depending on economic conditions, that Obama could lose in 2012.

More than a chance.

Posted by: $5 a gallon gasoline at January 31, 2011 08:22 AM (GTbGH)

195 But, then again, I wouldn't put it past you wingers to hand President Obama victory on a silver platter by nominating some unelectable, unprofessional nutjob like Palin. Posted by: Jason D. at January 31, 2011 01:20 PM (sqLKs) ------ I got an idea. Lets nominate McCain!!!!!!!11!!1

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 31, 2011 08:22 AM (c5RQr)

196 Yeah, he got in on his own.  Next.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 08:22 AM (o3bYL)

197 Seriously, me and a stuffed rodent could take this putz.

Posted by: 10% unemployment at January 31, 2011 08:23 AM (GTbGH)

198 198 Seriously, me and a stuffed rodent could take this putz.

Posted by: 10% unemployment at January 31, 2011 01:23 PM (GTbGH)

You can't have Squeaky!

Posted by: Richard Gere at January 31, 2011 08:23 AM (NS2Mo)

199 I have a say in this matter.

Posted by: 8.8 million lost jobs at January 31, 2011 08:28 AM (GTbGH)

200

richard

you still have squeaky?

Posted by: the ghost of christopher reeve at January 31, 2011 08:28 AM (Cm66w)

201 193 The MFM meme will be Huntman's a quitter. He resigned from being Gov and he's resigning as ambassador.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2011 01:20 PM (tf9Ne)

So then we have a winning team.  Palin the Alaska quitter for president and Huntsman the Utah quitter for Vice President.  They could have t sirts that say "quitters rising".

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 08:28 AM (p302b)

202 Seriously, me and a stuffed rodent could take this putz. Posted by: 10% unemployment at January 31, 2011 01:23 PM (GTbGH) 10% unemployment? Impossible. We round down to the nearest 9.6%.

Posted by: The BLS at January 31, 2011 08:30 AM (FcR7P)

203 OT

I seem to have gotten back from Daily Kos at the right moment. BIIIIG EVENT: Some Black guy with a long history of racist, violent, hateful rants finally got banned. So what's the response? A bunch of White girls are denouncing themselves. No need for me to link -- it's the Top-Rated Diary!!!

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 31, 2011 08:31 AM (fVwV8)

204

If you like your general malaise...

 

Posted by: Sir Barky at January 31, 2011 08:31 AM (pr+up)

205 Warton has the best B-school rep. Then Harvard. Then London School of E.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 08:32 AM (0Hp4r)

206 Posted by: Jason D. at January 31, 2011 01:20 PM (sqLKs) From an Obama voter, that means...well, nothing.

Really, Jace-jace, what the fuck made you leftards think that empty suit had any scrap of qualification for the office?

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2011 08:32 AM (HKVGZ)

207 204 OT

I seem to have gotten back from Daily Kos at the right moment. BIIIIG EVENT: Some Black guy with a long history of racist, violent, hateful rants finally got banned. So what's the response? A bunch of White girls are denouncing themselves. No need for me to link -- it's the Top-Rated Diary!!!

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 31, 2011 01:31 PM (fVwV

They really hate their daddies. 

Posted by: Sir Barky at January 31, 2011 08:32 AM (pr+up)

208 He's a moderate enough repub that independents and softie dems won't have a problem voting for him.

Please expand.

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 31, 2011 08:33 AM (fVwV8)

209 A bunch of White girls are denouncing themselves.

Are they spankable?

Posted by: dick cheese at January 31, 2011 08:33 AM (GTbGH)

210 Some Black guy with a long history of racist, violent, hateful rants finally got banned.

They can always listen to his sermons on Sunday.

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2011 08:34 AM (7Jipo)

211 BO appears to have chosen him as his rival and the MSM along with him.

BO thought he was too clever by half appointing him to his administration. He thought he could ship off a potential rival and taint him by association. As long as Huntsman hasn't bowed to anyone in China, he's the best we could ask for over there and more power to him. As for the MSM, they're in the news business. I haven't heard them talking him up, though. Have a look at The Hill's GOP 2012 blog, if you don't believe me.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:35 AM (mHQ7T)

212 Oh, from wiki:

Huntsman is receptive to environmental issues and would like the state to reduce fuel and energy consumption. He is also concerned with nuclear waste being stored within his state.

Ix-nay if ue-tray.

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 31, 2011 08:36 AM (fVwV8)

213 Still smokin, still drinkin...I'm no quitter.

Posted by: Boehner's 2016 Presidential Campaign Slogan at January 31, 2011 08:37 AM (pr+up)

214 206 Warton has the best B-school rep. Then Harvard. Then London School of E.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 01:32 PM (0Hp4r)

Damning with faint praise, really.  Most b-school students wouldn't last a day in the math Ph.D. program at Penn or LSE.

Harvard probably has social promotion, though.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 31, 2011 08:37 AM (T0NGe)

215 Are they spankable?
Posted by: dick cheese at January 31, 2011 01:33 PM

See, this is why you should have an emergency Kos account.

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at January 31, 2011 08:38 AM (fVwV8)

216 Palin the Alaska quitter for president and Huntsman the Utah quitter for Vice President.

A least Huntsman finished his first term

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:39 AM (mHQ7T)

217 Huntsman is a climate change guy.  No thanks.  He testified in a Senate Foreign Relations Committee meeting about it and entered Utah into the Western Climate Initiative.

Posted by: Annabelle at January 31, 2011 08:39 AM (4kxCX)

218

Huntsman is receptive to environmental issues and would like the state to reduce fuel and energy consumption. He is also concerned with nuclear waste being stored within his state.

Total deal breaker.

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 08:40 AM (pr+up)

219 Ix-nay if ue-tray.

Yeah, I figured that might be a deal breaker for some. But "not storing nuclear waste among my freaked out constituents" is understandable, isn't it? Then it seems his family business profits from windmills. I'm still interested.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:42 AM (mHQ7T)

220 214 Still smokin, still drinkin...I'm no quitter.

Posted by: Boehner's 2016 Presidential Campaign Slogan at January 31, 2011 01:37 PM (pr+up)

Hehe...just occurred to me. This could be be Barry's 2012 slogan as well.

  

Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2011 08:43 AM (pr+up)

221 Huntsman is just a little bit pregnant Socialist

Posted by: Cherry π at January 31, 2011 08:43 AM (+sBB4)

222 He's a moderate enough repub that independents and softie dems won't have a problem voting for him.

McCain!

Posted by: Guy who just woke up from a 2008 coma at January 31, 2011 08:44 AM (lnUW/)

223 Great. We're going to have Delaware: 2012 with Jon Huntsman playing Mike Castle and Sarah Palin as Christine O'Donnell, while Obama comes back as the bearded Marxist and walks off with the prize.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:45 AM (mHQ7T)

224 Then it seems his family business profits from windmills.

A company does not "profit" from windmills.  They profit from government subsidies for windmills.  Couple family business interest with old money guilt and it's a recipe for disaster.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 31, 2011 08:45 AM (T0NGe)

225 The Democrats play the Republicans like a Stradivarius every time, because they don't give a rip about purity. How many morons bitched about Thune and Gillibrand sitting together, but said nothing about Rand Paul and Al Franken? You guys are gonna get rolled, if you keep that up.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:48 AM (mHQ7T)

226 Obungler wins again, folks.  The BLM will destroy anyone "moderate" the GOP runs.  And the GOP will destroy anyone who isn't.  Game over.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 08:53 AM (o3bYL)

227 A company does not "profit" from windmills.

If there is a market for their products being used in creating windmills, they're not profiting from subsidies. Unless Hunjtsman Corps is also in bed with the insidious sports equipment lobby. My argument was that perhaps he has some insight into alternative energy production besides ethanol subsidies, and that makes him more open-minded than just drilling, which will be a tough sell to independents after the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 31, 2011 08:55 AM (mHQ7T)

228 The BLM will destroy anyone "moderate" the GOP runs.

Always trust the briefest expression of what your gut tells you.

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at January 31, 2011 08:58 AM (GBXon)

229 229  That was actually my first draft!  Then I remembered Tokyo Rove, who will be right up there with Krauthammer, painting a lazer point target on the forehead of any conservative nominee.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2011 09:08 AM (o3bYL)

230

He's a moderate enough repub that independents and softie dems won't have a problem voting for him.

 

He must be a maverick!  Just like my daddy.

Posted by: Megan McCain at January 31, 2011 09:46 AM (mQMnK)

231 Huntsman is the GOP's Batman to Obama's Joker.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 01, 2011 05:53 AM (mHQ7T)

Posted by: kuyu at February 05, 2011 12:38 AM (45SgX)

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