March 29, 2007
— Ace Pot, meet kettle.
Will Kurtz now write a screed about the vile commenters at the Washington Post?
Sloppy of Me: Christopher Fotos did what I hadn't -- read Kurtz' original piece. Which is also excerpted at LGF.
Kurtz does acknowlege such comments appear at the WaPo:
No corner of the Net is safe from this bile. The Washington Posts Web site has been grappling with a surge in offensive and incendiary comments.
The really gruesome stuff represents a tiny minority of those online. But is there a way of policing the worst stuff without shutting down robust debate?
The comments about Cheney at the Huffington Post included: You cant kill pure evil. If at first you dont succeed . . . Dr. Evil escapes again . . . damn. Founder Arianna Huffington wrote that no one at HuffPost is defending these comments they are unacceptable and were treated as such by being removed.
The comments about Mohammed and Carter at Little Green Footballs included: Can we furlough him just so he can realize the Carter plot? Please? and Even this schmuck had some good ideas.
The sites founder, Charles Johnson, wrote on Little Green Footballs that such comments reflect only the opinions of the individuals who posted them and doubted that they rise to the level of hatred that showed up in Ariannas readers Cheney-related comments.
Some conservatives and liberals seized on the incidents to denounce the other side, but no conclusions should be drawn from wackjobs on the fringe.
So bad on me. With all due respect, however, Kurtz has clearly been mau-maued by the Greenwald Leftist Apologism Machine. The piece is practically lifted from Thomas Ellensberg's rantings about this.
Kurtz attempts to mitigate the assassination and cancer death-wishes spewing out from the left by quoting a few similar, but nowhere near as toxic, comments about Jimmy Carter on LGF. The comments concerned a "planned" assassination on Jimmy Carter by Al Qaeda which apparently never really made it very far into the even the planning phase. So this was entirely hypothetical, and pretty far in the past to boot.
To that revelation, some LGF commenters said stuff along the lines of "Well let's trade Jimmy Carter's life for the lives of those lost on 9/11." Pretty weak tea.
Compare that to the hundreds of pro-assassination comments on the HuffPo and the various other blogs of the Toxic Left.
Speaking of Bad Behavior: It's not just commenters, it's particularly sick internet crapmerchants and left-wing bloggers celebrating the cancer of Tony Snow and cancer-caused death of Cathy Seipp.
And it's also not merely political bloggers and commenters engaging in bad behavior. Kathy Sierra, who I think must have started the Sierra Games company, is now getting death threats over her blogging comments about the... game industry.
Apparently she was too "optimistic" about it -- seriously -- and hence the death threats.
I'd hoped that we wouldn't need a law, but I have a feeling a law will be passed. Or applicable laws will start being enforced. Make a death threat, spend six or nine months in jail. Why people think they can do this on-line when doing it over the phone or in person would get them locked up or shot is beyond me, but there you go. The rise of the Internet SuperMouse, a take-no-prisoners tough guy and threatener of women so long as he believes (mistakenly) he's annonymous behind his screen-name/Superhero Handle.
Nope! Kathy Sierra has nothing to do with Sierra games, commenters tell me. I remembered it was a husband-wife team, but apparently they're named Roberts or something. The game was named after the mountains.
I guess I should have picked up on the fact that no one was reporting she was the creator of a huge computer game business as reason to disabuse me of my kneejerk assumption.
Charles Johnson is da bomb, but in the story about commenters, Kurtz acknowledged the problem in comments on Post stories. He noted that a number of Posties don't think comments should be allowed because of the vile/racist/hateful comments, and quoted one by name, reporter Darryl Fears. He also quoted washingtonpost.com chief Jim Brady explaining that he, Brady, still thinks comboxes are worthwhile, and that he plans to keep having them. Brady noted that he has people who delete vile comments, and plans to hire more. I think all of this is to Brady's credit--and to the extent they have influence over it, to senior staff at the Post proper. Because the fact is, many Post reporters want comments abolished simply because they don't like to be directly criticized.
I guess Johnson is angry because Kurtz equated hate speech by commenters at LGF with hate speech at HuffingtonPost, and Johnson believes the problem is far worse at Huffington. But fwiw it simply isn't the case that Kurtz ignored the problem at the Post.
Personally I think the worst or most lame thing about Kurtz's story is that it followed Dean Barnett's long commentary on that subject by a couple days, and didn't reference it.
Posted by: Christopher Fotos at March 29, 2007 09:49 AM (hjjkI)
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Posted by: Red at March 29, 2007 09:54 AM (pPek3)
Posted by: Red at March 29, 2007 09:57 AM (pPek3)
Posted by: Stormy70 at March 29, 2007 10:02 AM (7WJsV)
No, it representes a large number on the lefty blogs and those that post on WP. For him to equate the crap he gets with lgf is bullshit. Withdraw your apology, Ace!
Posted by: Red at March 29, 2007 10:07 AM (pPek3)
The argument from the left seems to be: "As long as we can find one comment from the right saying "the same" (when it's really not the same, tangentially similar) things, this really isn't a problem."
Problem is, these people have no problem expressing the idea that their political opponents are evil and therefore should be dead.
There’s been very few days over the last six plus years that I haven’t wished a long over due demise to the entire Bush administration and most of the Republican members of congress. These people are all, at a minimum, accessories to crimes against humanity. F*** all this sanctimony. The sooner were rid of these people, whatever the circumstances, the better for the nation and the world.</I>
These people think about this stuff daily.
Posted by: Jay at March 29, 2007 10:14 AM (VZ0Yh)
Just like Al-Queda . . .
Posted by: Red at March 29, 2007 10:17 AM (pPek3)
There’s been very few days over the last six plus years that I haven’t wished a long over due demise to the entire Bush administration and most of the Republican members of congress. These people are all, at a minimum, accessories to crimes against humanity. F*** all this sanctimony. The sooner were rid of these people, whatever the circumstances, the better for the nation and the world.
Posted by: Jay at March 29, 2007 10:25 AM (VZ0Yh)
They can't. But people have to go to the police and it has to be crime under the law. In some jurisdictions, the threat must not be conditional. In others, any threat, conditional or not, is a crime.
Posted by: Red at March 29, 2007 10:44 AM (pPek3)
Sheesh, I forgot all about that. Deborah Howell, the Post ombudsman. And what was that about--was it something she wrote about the Ben Domenech debacle?
Hat-tip to Ace for going on to quote from Kurtz's column.
Posted by: Christopher Fotos at March 29, 2007 10:52 AM (hjjkI)
Not only do they spew hate but throw in the plain ol' fashion lying and disinformation. I was just on huffpo reading thru some of the comments concerning the captured brits. 9 fricken pages of a hate language circle jerk.
I've read about the muzzies telling their bretheren to get on blogs and disseminate their hate filled retoric incognito . It appears that most of the commentors on huffpo are muslim extremists.
Posted by: Bosk at March 29, 2007 10:56 AM (+aNmG)
My initial reaction to Kathy Sierra was to think "Sierra Games", too, but if memory serves, it was Ken and Roberta Williams who founded that.
As near as I can tell, she's just a tech book writer. Glad I got out of that business before it became...personal.
Posted by: moviegique at March 29, 2007 11:01 AM (HScxl)
Leisure Suit Larry saw me through some rough times, I tell you what.
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Posted by: ace at March 29, 2007 11:11 AM (+u1X0)
Christopher: She made the mistake of writing that Abramoff gave dems money instead of writing that he directed his Indian gaming clients to give dems money. I would link the story but I can never get the links to work on new comment thingy.
Posted by: Red at March 29, 2007 11:35 AM (pPek3)
Posted by: Christopher Fotos at March 29, 2007 08:00 PM (hjjkI)
To be completely accurate, Ken and Roberta Williams lived in a trailer in Simi Valley (just a few mile from where I lived in Thousand Oaks at the same time) when they created their first few games for the Apple II. After they started making some real money they moved to Coarsegold, which put them almost in the shadow of Yosemite's Half Dome, the formation used on the company logo.
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