November 30, 2009

As I Was Saying: A New Heretic Begins Spouting Blasphemies
— Ace

Not a scientist, but apparently a science columnist on the "green" beat.


As I said, this is too rotten and stinking to be ignored much longer.

Allah quotes the head of the IPCC of course acting as a denier and pretending, as seems to be the party line, that this doesn't mean anything. The science, you may have heard, is settled.

The blubbery idiot Gibbs also instructs us that there's "no real scientific dispute about global warming," of course.

But check out this reversal from Clive Crook, who writes at both the Financial Times at The Atlantic.

First, his kneejerk response, taking the easy route of denial:

It isn’t the world he needs to convince on global warming, it is the electorate back home.

This is all the harder since the climate science email dump, which showed leading experts–people calling for enormous changes in how the world’s economies work–discussing ways to keep their data private, manipulate public opinion, and deny dissenters access to the professional literature. (None of those emails surprised me, by the way. When it comes to public relations, the climate-science cabal is its own worst enemy. I’m surprised so many people are surprised.)

Ah, nothing surprising here. Scientists are manipulative liars; didn't you already know that, you naive fool? We always knew they were manipulative liars so this news is no shock. (Oh, but by the way, trust scientists -- they're the only truth-tellers in the world.)

But now, having read the emails and thought them over, he sings a different tune:

In my previous post on Climategate I blithely said that nothing in the climate science email dump surprised me much. Having waded more deeply over the weekend I take that back.

The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering. And, as Christopher Booker argues, this scandal is not at the margins of the politicised IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] process. It is not tangential to the policy prescriptions emanating from what David Henderson called the environmental policy milieu [subscription required]. It goes to the core of that process.

One theme, in addition to those already mentioned about the suppression of dissent, the suppression of data and methods, and the suppression of the unvarnished truth, comes through especially strongly: plain statistical incompetence. This is something that Henderson's study raised, and it was also emphasised in the Wegman report on the Hockey Stick, and in other independent studies of the Hockey Stick controversy. Of course it is also an ongoing issue in Steve McIntyre's campaign to get hold of data and methods. Nonetheless I had given it insufficient weight. Climate scientists lean very heavily on statistical methods, but they are not necessarily statisticians. Some of the correspondents in these emails appear to be out of their depth. This would explain their anxiety about having statisticians, rather than their climate-science buddies, crawl over their work.

I'm also surprised by the IPCC's response. Amid the self-justification, I had hoped for a word of apology, or even of censure. (George Monbiot called for Phil Jones to resign, for crying out loud.) At any rate I had expected no more than ordinary evasion. The declaration from Rajendra Pachauri that the emails confirm all is as it should be is stunning. Science at its best. Science as it should be. Good lord. This is pure George Orwell. And these guys call the other side "deniers".

Another heretic.

Here is what is going on here, psychologically.

People like Crook want to think well of themselves, and how they think well of themselves is to associate themselves with those they consider rationalists and humanists and concerned and just-liberal-enough.

Note how blithely he dismisses those who actually want "scientists" to reveal their data and assumptions for inspection and testing as "anti-science." I'm anti-science? Hey, Fuckhead: Out of the two of us I've been the only one pushing for actual science. Skepticism? Testing? Challenging? Do these ring any bells, Prickface?

But you see, psychologically, why he has, without looking at the evidence, chosen to align himself with Jones, Mann, etc.: Because, again without looking at the evidence, he has deemed them "pro-science" and actual scientists like McIntyre "anti-science."

This is not a rational, scientific impulse. This is an emotional and personal one: He likes one group of people more, likes what they stand for and what they believe, thinks they'd be great mates to have a beer with, good smart logical "pro-science" guys of the sort he respects and admires.

And their persecutors, then, must be "anti-science."

But note what ClimateGate is doing and will continue to do: It forces dickheads like this Clive Crook to reevaluate his initial entirely-unscientific bias that Jones and Mann are the "Good Guys," the White Hats, the rationalists. Now he sees they're actually bad guys, black hats, irrationalists.

He hasn't joined the skeptics yet -- he still brands us anti-science deniers -- but notice the huge change in attitude: He now calls his former heroes "deniers" too.

Believe me, in case it's not obvious: 99% of the public has no fucking clue about climate "science." They know 1% of what you know, at best. They have no idea of what the facts are, or the evidence.

All they know is that one side is "pro-science" and the other side is "anti-science."

But what happens when that belief -- the only reason they have to mouth these idiotic claims about us all drowning in 20 years -- is displaced by a new belief, that Jones and Mann are themselves "anti-science"?

Christopher Hitchens had a great point about Clinton's impeachment, why he would never be removed from office. "The American people," he said approximately, "wish to believe they are open and broad-minded about sex," and so Clinton would skate. People's brains -- primitive, predictable things, really -- find "The Narrative" in every story, as simple and as emotion-based as possible.

Who are the good guys? Who are the bad guys? And based upon such gut level, lizard-brain judgments important decisions are reached.

The Clinton-supporters deemed his detractors to be "anti-sex," and sex is a good thing, and being pro-sex is a good thing, so... no actual arguments about perjury, obstruction of justice, and so on were relevant. The major criteria for judgment was that the pro-sex people were good and the anti-sex people were uptight and wicked and no fun at all, so hey, you want to be on the fun partying team, don't you?

Pretty much all of liberalism works this way -- that's why it persists in the face of so much contrary information. Here are some fun, smart, rational guys and here are some uptight, bigoted, ignorant haters; which side do you want to be on? Nevermind reason or evidence; which crowd do you most wish to associate with? (And, fyi, for the young: Our girls put out more in college, in case that matters to ya. Wink.)

Politics, it has to be kept in mind, is mostly emotional and mostly aspirational. Who we choose as heroes and who we choose as models says, we hope, something about us. We signal to others what kind of people we are (or what kind of people we'd like to imagine we are) by the sort of person we choose to emulate and offer respect to.

In the last election, more people wanted to be Obama -- fun, loose, hip, cool, cosmopolitan -- than John McCain -- dour, old, ungraceful (due to injuries sustained being a war hero... but it's the surface that matters).

This is partly why I get on some commenters for their casual use of nasty racial put downs. Not only do such comments offend me, but those making them make for poor ambassadors for conservatism: Note that every time you do this, there's some reader out there thinking These are not the sorts of people I wish to be around, or to count as my political brethren. I'd rather be part of the team that doesn't think watermelon jokes are all the rage

Be that as it may -- there is a sea-change a-happening. I doubt we "deniers" will ever get credit, except of the most begrudging kind. We'll be told, ultimately, we were "right, but for the wrong reasons," and that sort of thing.

But what is happening now is almost as good: The veneer of aspiration has been stripped from the lying bastards Mann and Jones, and they no longer seem like the sorts of guys you'd want to befriend, let alone be.

Loose, casual kinds of guys? Only, it seems, as regards their coding and methods.

I think it will be interesting and important to watch this unfold over the next several weeks, this psychological paradigm-shift.

The next step, psychologically, is to limit the damage and to claim that these are just a "few bad apples." That allows them to cast out a few bad actors while keeping their aspirational fantasies, and their conceptions of self, alive: They get to continue thinking of themselves as "pro-science" while they throw a few token irrelevants under the bus. They want to heal the psychic damage as quickly as possible, and with as little change as possible.

But will it be possible to do that? Can they just convince themselves that, but for a few "Rogue Operatives," the "science is settled"?

We'll see.

But this is a first, critical step. We have been presented the truly indefensible, and some, at long last, are finding that they cannot defend it.


Hang On: DrewM. tells me the big change I thought I saw here might not be a big change; Crook called these guys a "cabal" in his first posting, indicating he always thought they were crooked.

I may have misread this, a bit, and be calling Crook a "a new heretic" when in fact he's been a heretic all along.

Still: I think the initial response shows him pooh-poohing the matter, and claiming that the only real problem with this "cabal" is its PR efforts.

So I think I'm right, but I don't know, so I'll note Drew's disagreement.

Ether way: I'm still holding to my prediction. I already have green fool Monbiot calling for Phil Jones, to resign. There will be more.

Posted by: Ace at 02:13 PM | Comments (310)
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1 Who me? defending this?  just say'in

Posted by: mystry at November 30, 2009 02:15 PM (kmgIE)

2 Too inept to form a conspiracy?  Sounds like what libtards usually say about domestic terrorists.

Posted by: huerfano at November 30, 2009 02:18 PM (vtuZz)

3 How dare anyone refute a scientist who is much smarter than you!

Posted by: mystry at November 30, 2009 02:18 PM (kmgIE)

4 In honor of the missing Medieval Warming Period, I say, upon conviction for fraud, pour molten lead down all their throats ...

...more than one way to get warm medievally, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Adriane at November 30, 2009 02:20 PM (0U2C0)

5 Look and see who is getting all the money to support this political scam. The scientists whose palms gladly take the money to falsify the data!

Posted by: mystry at November 30, 2009 02:23 PM (kmgIE)

6

Great post, Ace.

I would just answer this central misunderstanding: "It isn’t the world he needs to convince on global warming, it is the electorate back home."

AGW, or GW itself, may or may not be true. I concede it may be. What we deniers believe is that a 1-degree change is not worth destroying First World economies over. And ManBearPig will never convince me of the crisis until he scales down the lux carbon lifestyle himself.

Posted by: PJ at November 30, 2009 02:24 PM (FG8qn)

7 #5  Adriane   Don't use good lead that we need for shot.  Use slag instead.

Posted by: mystry at November 30, 2009 02:25 PM (kmgIE)

8 Bring out the COMFY CHAIR!

Posted by: AE at November 30, 2009 02:25 PM (kSfPT)

9 "We were lying earilier about throwing away data, or even pushing an agenda, BUT NOW we are telling the truth about not throwing away any more data that would make us look like even bigger idiots than we already do." IPCC spokesperson

Posted by: pele at November 30, 2009 02:26 PM (yvIZY)

10 Actually, I don't think Crook is defending them in the first quote. It looks like he's saying he's been dealing with this "cabal" (not a term or endearment or respect) and has been getting the run around. He seems to be saying everyone is now learning what he's been seeing from these idiots for years.

Now, why he didn't blow the whistle sooner is a different story but I don't think he blaming the skeptics in that quote.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 02:26 PM (FCWQb)

11 Thank god for coders and their comments.

If not for those ;----------------- lines in the code, this whole scandal would be a "just kidding, old bloke, we scientists often do such tom-foolery such as saying 'hide the decline' and doing 'tricks' ... you wouldn't understand."

But line after line of  truth prefaced with a semi-colon is irrefutable.

in the scientific sense of the word. 

.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 30, 2009 02:27 PM (ruzrP)

12 DrewM, Thanks... Hm, okay. I will add that.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 02:28 PM (jlvw3)

13 Megan Mcardle's post last week was more loathsome than this one. At least this writer feigns some outrage. Mcardle's argument boiled down to "So what?"

Posted by: Iskandar at November 30, 2009 02:29 PM (u1pln)

14 This reminds me of the line from Ghost Busters.  "Dr. Venkman, you are a poor scientist.  Your work is the worst sort of rubbish." ( To paraphrase ).  "But the kids love us!".

Posted by: Zombie John Lennon at November 30, 2009 02:30 PM (GkYyh)

15

"We are just unpassionate interpreters of facts."  "We are just objectively trying to present the facts."  "We don't care what the facts are, we just want the facts."  IPCC spokesperson

LIARS, GREEDY, PEOPLE HATERS

 

Posted by: pele at November 30, 2009 02:30 PM (yvIZY)

16 "Statistically speaking, the average person has one testicle and one breast."

I'm finally average!

Posted by: Chastity "Chaz" Bono at November 30, 2009 02:30 PM (Gzb30)

17 Sorry,  Zombie John Lennon did not say that.  I said that.

Posted by: Hammer at November 30, 2009 02:31 PM (GkYyh)

18 Next thing the lib's are going to say is that the info lifted from that computer was bait for a trap. And sure enough, some dummy took the bait.  Now all we have to do is find the person and make sure that they get a hundred year, no parole sentence.

Posted by: mystry at November 30, 2009 02:33 PM (kmgIE)

19 I prefer to call the believers Global Warming Fraud Deniers.

Posted by: marmo, High Priest, Church of Climatology at November 30, 2009 02:33 PM (7Y8qQ)

20 @12: Thank god for coders and their comments.

If not for those ;----------------- lines in the code, this whole scandal would be a "just kidding, old bloke, we scientists often do such tom-foolery such as saying 'hide the decline' and doing 'tricks' ... you wouldn't understand."

So... the lesson here is that I should stop commenting my code?

Posted by: Unprecedented Anachronda at November 30, 2009 02:36 PM (1OYcp)

21 @22 Unprecedented Anachronda

So... the lesson here is that I should stop commenting my code?

WTF?  You had to wait for a memo?

Never document anything.  Once you do, people expect it to work the same way every time.

Posted by: MikeO at November 30, 2009 02:37 PM (Ce+tv)

22 I just sent off for legal review a series of FOIA requests to every US Government agency at the other end of the CRU emails for the emails I know exist and the related responses, forwards, BCC, etc. I really want to see who is on the copy line of those destroy the evidence and hide the money email. While Jones, Mann, and Hansen may be true believers -- I bet some of the little fish are not willing to go get real jobs.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 02:37 PM (vb5IK)

23 >>>Megan Mcardle's post last week was more loathsome than this one. At least this writer feigns some outrage. Mcardle's argument boiled down to "So what?" Right, and I think you have to look at psychology to explain that. She had two choices: Go out on a limb and alienate the cool, with it, hip group she aspires to be a part of, and also in doing so do some psychic damage to her sense of self as she strips away part of her own ego (the "pro-science" part her), or just continue the denial. She chose denial. After choosing full-on denial, she now chooses modified limited hang-out denial. I'm sure you all know what lengths people will go to, psychologically, to convince themselves, as Stuart Smalley said, they're smart, good, and gosh-darnit, people like me.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 02:37 PM (jlvw3)

24 I manlove this rant.  Gets right to the heart of the branding procedure that characterizes liberal discourse.

Posted by: Black Yoshi at November 30, 2009 02:40 PM (UOGvw)

25 Heh. Erg showed up in the previous thread and is frantically spinning like crazy, spewing lefty boilerplate, but no actual refutations of the evidence.

He's got nothing, and he knows it.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 30, 2009 02:41 PM (6kI9E)

26 Folks-
I have what I suspect is an unusual perspective.  I am a career scientist, although not a climate scientist.  I don't buy global warming, and reject the notion that it is proven, or that we should spend lots of money "fixing" it, certainly not unless the science is a lot more solid than it is now.  OTOH, my brother in law is an internationally known atmospheric chemist, a dyed in the wool liberal, and, at times, a real prick about global warming and those who don't accept it.  It would be easy for me to simply dismiss him, but the fact is that he is a very good scientist, has his own research to back up what he says, and is not the kind to propagate a fraud.  I suppose my point is that while the people from HadCRU are charlatans and frauds, it is too easy to dismiss all of the AGW concerns on the basis of this incident.  Again, I am convinced that AGW is false, but there are a lot of very reputable scientists who can and do sincerely argue otherwise.   We do our cause a disservice if we simply dismiss AGW because we don't like the messengers.  That is what the Jones of the world do.   There are plenty of facts on which to base our skepticism.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2009 02:41 PM (OTCVm)

27 All I would add Ace is that what may happen here is similar to how people, who voted for Obama, will eventually leave him. They won't admit their wrong but they will claim they've been deceived. The scientists here may go the same route. It's an argument you've made before and, I think, transferable to this situation.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 02:42 PM (GGgoa)

28 16 This reminds me of the line from Ghost Busters.  "Dr. Venkman, you are a poor scientist.  Your work is the worst sort of rubbish." ( To paraphrase ).  "But the kids love us!".

Another good one that relates to the AGW hucksters

"Back off man, I'm a scientist!"

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 30, 2009 02:43 PM (DtTM9)

29 She had two choices: Go out on a limb and alienate the cool, with it, hip group she aspires to be a part of...

That affectation is definitely the weakest part of being a libertarian I guess.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 30, 2009 02:43 PM (u1pln)

30 Nice one, bro!

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 30, 2009 02:43 PM (q6dIH)

31 And no, I haven't talked about the latest brouhaha with him.  I wanted to have a peaceful TGiving.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2009 02:43 PM (OTCVm)

32 Dude, the science is settled.

Posted by: Jean-Baptiste Lamarck at November 30, 2009 02:44 PM (QKKT0)

33 All I would add Ace is that what may happen here is similar to how people, who voted for Obama, ...

Which describes Mcardle to a T. She voted for him and claims to be interested in free markets.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 30, 2009 02:44 PM (u1pln)

34 There's no possible doubts anymore.

Posted by: Stanley Pons at November 30, 2009 02:44 PM (QKKT0)

35 pep, as long as your brother-in-law doesn't try and make me swallow the "science is settled" line of crap - I would be willing to listen. But, there is a lot of smoke here well outside of the core science. Anyone of these ethical or procedural issues would have doomed a project with less political push behind it.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 02:45 PM (3WbbL)

36 Like you might expect from my name, I'm a member of the pointy-headed tribe.  So, I'm fairly well acquainted with the peer-review process.  Since my field (financial economics) works with data that's often "messy" (i.e. in need of some form of statistical modification),  we tend to get pretty competent in statisitics (and the related field called "econometrics).   I'd be sturprised if the authors are much to speak of as stat jockeys.  If they were, they wouldn;t have hidden their data.

In my field, most papers in good journals are presented multiple times and then put out there in an online forum (SSRN) well before they appear in a journal.   So a paper gets a lot of going over before it gets published in ay journal that's worthwhile.   I've published in "good" journals, and also some crappy ones.  And I've also done my share of reviewing.  So, while I'm clearly a small fry, I'm aware of how it's done at least in my corner of the academic world.

I'd have to say that the peer review process in my discipline is generally fair - I've gotten far more rejections from journals than acceptances, but that's generally the case (the typical rejection rate is between 80 and 95% at the top journals).   I never felt like a paper got rejected because it was "heretical".  In most cases, it was because the results simply weren't strong enough.   In most cases, a reviewer at a good journal will pick apart every facet of the paper - from the basic story to the data collection to the statistical methods used.  In particular, most reviewers put a lot of stock in what we call "robustness tests" - making sure that the authors haven't picked the one methodology that gives us the results they want to see. 

 I've done my fair share of reviewing too. I've done enough statistical work that I can usually spot when someone's played foul with the data.   So if a paper gets past me, I'm reasonably certain that their data says what they say.  If not, I ask for the above mentioned "robustness" tests.

I haven't read the climate studies that caused all the furor.   But most serious researchers wouldn't act the way these clowns have.  The simplest way to allay critics' fears would be to show the data.  Since they haven't, a lot of people will cry Bozo on them.   In fact, there seem to be enough critics of the "settled science" of global warming that I don't think this will be allowed to blow over.  At least I hope not.

And once the data is revealed (which I doubt will happen), I may read their papers, break out my trusty statistical software packages and take a crack at their data.   My sense is that these people aren't that strong in statistics.  At the very least, picking their work apart will provide some exercises for my grad students. 

Posted by: RightwingProf at November 30, 2009 02:46 PM (I8MPS)

37 Regardless of Crook's thinking, it's undeniable that in some circles if you say you don't believe in AGW you will be treated somewhere between a leper and a mentally retarded child.

I was on a date one time and the woman I was out with asked me if I believed in Global Warming. I told her that first "belief" didn't play a part in it, facts mattered. Second, yes there was a warming period but it ended about 10 years ago. And third and most importantly, there's zero, zip, none when it comes to proof linking that warming phase to anything man did.

That was the end of that.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 02:46 PM (FCWQb)

38 I manlove this rant.  Gets right to the heart of the branding procedure that characterizes liberal discourse.


When it comes to these AGW hoaxers, I'm all for branding....Texas-style.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 02:46 PM (l1Wlr)

39 pep, as long as your brother-in-law doesn't try and make me swallow the "science is settled" line of crap - I would be willing to listen. But, there is a lot of smoke here well outside of the core science. Anyone of these ethical or procedural issues would have doomed a project with less political push behind it.

Agreed.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2009 02:46 PM (OTCVm)

40
So a man, a dog and a watermelon walked into a bar . . .

Posted by: Tinian at November 30, 2009 02:47 PM (7+pP9)

41 Another good one that relates to the AGW hucksters

"Back off man, I'm a scientist!"

Another one, which applies to erg:

"Yes, it's true. This man has no dick."

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 30, 2009 02:47 PM (6kI9E)

42

"The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering"

I would have used the word "stench."  It paints a much stinkier picture.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at November 30, 2009 02:47 PM (Vu6sl)

43 We're going to run out of food by 1985.  It's a scientific fact.

Posted by: Paul Ehrlich at November 30, 2009 02:47 PM (QKKT0)

44

"Can they just convince themselves that, but for a few 'Rogue Operatives,' the 'science is settled'?"

Human beings can convince themselves of anything if that's what they need to do to get through the day.  Human beings can convince themselves of two or more diametrically opposed things at once, or six impossible things before breakfast, if they have to do so to maintain their perfect image of themselves.

Posted by: stuiec at November 30, 2009 02:48 PM (7AOgy)

45

In the last election, more people wanted to be Obama -- fun, loose, hip, cool, cosmopolitan -- than John McCain

Leftists are in a perpetual state of arrested development. It is the ideology of emotional children.

Strangely enough, I never went through a liberal phase. Not even as a teen.

I always thought people on the left were fucked in the head because they spent every day telling me that things I could see with my own eyes weren't true.

Speaking of the gang you want to run with ... I never wanted to align myself with people who had to lie in order to advance their cause.

 

 

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 02:49 PM (jNkHq)

46 I was on a date one time and the woman I was out with asked me if I believed in Global Warming.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 07:46 PM (FCWQb)

That wasn't a woman.  That was a brainless blow-up doll.  (By which I mean to insult her lack of thought, not your taste in toys.)

Posted by: stuiec at November 30, 2009 02:49 PM (7AOgy)

47

This is partly why I get on some commenters for their casual use of nasty racial put downs. Not only do such comments offend me, but those making them make for poor ambassadors for conservatism

Oh, ace...you were doing so well, and then...this. I'm afraid I'll have to dock you five points. When I post here, I am not -- explicitly or imlicitly -- doing so as an ambassador for conservatism or any other creed or ideology. I have no control over what other people allow themselves to be offended by, and I refuse to censor myself according to what other people might think of it.*

However, I always post knowing that I am, in a figurative sense, a guest in your house. I may not agree with everything you say, but I do agree that you have the final word in etiquette: you are free to boot me or anyone else if we offend you. You make the rules in your house, not me. Mere politeness dictates the limits on my speech here, not some abstract sense of fealty to an ideology or creed.

I probably am making too much of what you're saying -- in practice, you have shown far more forbearance to the idiots and trolls than I would have. But I hope you understand my motives for speaking as I do. I don't opine to advance some greater conservative agenda -- I simply speak my mind. You are free to find it offensive, and drop the ban-hammer; and I would accept it as just desserts from the master of the house. But please let us not cast it in terms of racism or deviation from conservative orthodoxy; I find that kind of thing very obnoxious.

*"Shit on them people", in the argot of my ancestral folk.

 

Posted by: Monty at November 30, 2009 02:49 PM (sYaae)

48
It's funny how the Warmists are now trotting out the old 'yeah, but George Bush suppressed and/or eliminated warming data from government reports' argument to justify the UEA's hiding of data.

So, as usual, the Left goes to their old standby of 3 Stages of Spin, (say it with me, now):

1) s/he didn't do it
2) even if s/he did it, so what?
3) Republicans do it, too

At first the emails were fakes (stage 1). Then they were taken out of context and no biggie (stage 2). Now were at the final stage were they admit to the scandal but equivocate to silence the critics.

What's next? Why Jones and Mann will claim they've received death threats, of course.

Posted by: Scopes, the talking monkey at November 30, 2009 02:50 PM (b5sJf)

49

I got into a great argument with my libtard sister from LA over Thanksgiving dinner. It started over AGW...and about how we on the right are anti-science since the issue was settled. Of course, she simply ignored anything that was said to refute that and just kept repeating that same mantra.

Then it moved on to stem cell research...and how Bush outlawed all research into it. (I have to state here that she actually has a college degree..it's in the arts, but it's still a college degree).

Yes...Bush outlawed stem cell research. I had to explain that what he did was to stop federal funding for new embryonic stem cell lines. Apparently, that was the problem since all the therapies and treatments came from those particular types of stem cells...and government scientists made all the discoveries. She again pretended that I had facts to rebut her stupidity.

At that point it dawned on me that nothing...absolutely nothing ...was going to penetrate that force field of libtard ideology. The thing is..she really is not a stupid person. She is just so indoctrinated in the leftist group think...and the acceptance that it brings in her Silver Lake neighborhood, that that nothing short of a bat to the head will get her attention.

Posted by: beedubya at November 30, 2009 02:50 PM (AnTyA)

50 En Fuego!

Posted by: that guy that shouts en fuego! at November 30, 2009 02:51 PM (PD1tk)

51 Why did the watermelon cross the road?

Posted by: Bobby Byrd at November 30, 2009 02:52 PM (cPa0+)

52 Actually, McArdle "supported" Obama but did not actually vote for him - apparently libertarians are too incompetent to properly register to vote.  I do read her blog and comment on it quite a bit, and I think Megan is a nice person and an ok writer, but this whole libertarian (or glibertarian) thing is a bit of a joke.  Ok, she's not a hard-lefty like Sullivan or Coates, but she's basically a liberal - she's with the Dems on all the big points, and supported a socialist over a RINO.  I assume she calls herself a libertarian to make the "Voices" roster at the Atlantic look a little more diverse.

Posted by: Holdfast at November 30, 2009 02:52 PM (Gzb30)

53

 

Shoulda been..."She again pretended that I had  NO facts to rebut her stupidity".

Posted by: beedubya at November 30, 2009 02:53 PM (AnTyA)

54 Another good one that relates to the AGW hucksters



Ghostbusters quotes! (runs to IMDB)

Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities, we didn't have to produce anything! You've never been out of college! You don't know what it's like out there! I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 02:55 PM (l1Wlr)

55 DrewM dating a woman. Now that needs to be peer-reviewed.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 02:56 PM (GGgoa)

56

I was on a date one time and the woman I was out with asked me if I believed in Global Warming. I told her that first "belief" didn't play a part in it, facts mattered. Second, yes there was a warming period but it ended about 10 years ago. And third and most importantly, there's zero, zip, none when it comes to proof linking that warming phase to anything man did.

That was the end of that.

Not even a bj?? You didn't buy her dinner,did you?

Posted by: beedubya at November 30, 2009 02:57 PM (AnTyA)

57 trying to get a good POTUS out of office for having oral sex is just plain idiotic
trying to redo the global economy with made up science is criminal

Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at November 30, 2009 02:57 PM (HmjDq)

58 Agreed, the psychology of the now-refuted alarmists is fascinating.
I'm hoping (probably in vain) for a "Mr. Smith Goes to Copenhagen" moment next week. Maybe Nick Griffin or someone else dramatically taking the floor and just laying it all out for the world to see. I know an honest man stands no chance in the UN, but if a sizable minority can come away from there deadset on doing the science all over again, and getting it right, that would be great.

Posted by: lincolntf at November 30, 2009 02:58 PM (7XkqZ)

59 thanks PJ, Black Yoshi. It came out a bit incoherent because I was writing fast but you get the drift.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:02 PM (jlvw3)

60 The scientists are settled.

Posted by: nickless at November 30, 2009 03:03 PM (MMC8r)

61 Awesome post. Hope you don't mind if I Facebook it.

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:04 PM (KVSUW)

62 The next step, psychologically, is to limit the damage and to claim that these are just a "few bad apples."

Yes, but the beauty of this cabal is that the number of influential members has been intentional kept small.  Throw three or four under the bus and there's no one left to support this edifice of corrupt politicized science.

Posted by: toby928 at November 30, 2009 03:05 PM (PD1tk)

63 >>>But I hope you understand my motives for speaking as I do. I don't opine to advance some greater conservative agenda -- I simply speak my mind. I get that. I hope you also get that watermelon jokes are still funny to 0.02% of the population and either ignorant or offensive or both to most, so: Kind of like a good child-rape joke, isn't it?

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:05 PM (jlvw3)

64

All of you AoSHQ'ers with science or engineering degrees (BS (or BA), MS(or MA), PhD, or MD) might consider signing the Global Warming petition and mailing it to the address provided at:  
http://tinyurl.com/yfu9rwa

I mailed mine today.

Posted by: TennDon at November 30, 2009 03:07 PM (o6Yv2)

65 Kind of like a good child-rape joke, isn't it?

Didn't we have a whole thread of pedophile jokes once?  Or am I confusing this with Wizbang from the old days.

Posted by: toby928 at November 30, 2009 03:07 PM (PD1tk)

66 Drew must have known he wasn't getting laid anyway.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:07 PM (jlvw3)

67 Personally, if I'm anywhere near closing (or laying the groundwork for closing next time), and a girl asks me about global warming, I say go with a noncommittal "I trust the science."

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:08 PM (jlvw3)

68 And since when is (all) science completely settled...Please correct me if I'm wrong (I' completely retarded in this area), but aren't theories being constantly tested? Especially when it comes to something relatively new as the Global Warming hoax. Is science settled about the H1N1 vaccine? Is it completely safe? I know some things have been scientfically settled, but...

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:09 PM (KVSUW)

69 I trust the science. Unstated asterisk.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:09 PM (jlvw3)

70 I blame all my sexual dating failures on climate change.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:09 PM (GGgoa)

71 X:Y threads are awesome. Global Warming: The shark from Jaws Hacked Emails: The scuba tank from Jaws

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:10 PM (jlvw3)

72

O/T:  Ace, how about calling the ONT "The Open Bar" from now on?  And instead of "New Comments Thingy," how about "The Woodchipper"? 

Posted by: Chef Boy RDB at November 30, 2009 03:10 PM (q6dIH)

73 Good grief, erg is a knucklehead.  Now to watch the Saints (inshallah) beat Belicheat.

Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2009 03:10 PM (I3Udb)

74 When I can't get it up, it's usually due to my fearlessness and honesty in expressing skepticism about global warming.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:11 PM (jlvw3)

75 Ace, my comments are few, but this is one of the most honest and important posts in this blog's history. Fuck all that disagree.

Posted by: Usful Ijit at November 30, 2009 03:12 PM (+8fSS)

76

&78

that's what all the (liberal) boys say.

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:12 PM (KVSUW)

77 Global Warming : DrewM's love life

Hacked e-mails : His "Game"

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:12 PM (GGgoa)

78 number 72, you are correct, there is no such thing as "settled science". Theories on all topics are constantly being modified to allow for new evidence. At least that is the way it is supposed to work. People who shout "settled science" are fools.

Posted by: rawmuse at November 30, 2009 03:14 PM (L11fl)

79
So, what are you saying, Ace, I'm not welcome here?

Posted by: Fuzzy Zoeller at November 30, 2009 03:14 PM (bLZ8Q)

80 Drew must have known he wasn't getting laid anyway.

The boob size to stupidity* ratio simply went beyond my tolerance.





*Not regular stupidity but the aggressive stupidity of someone who thinks they are the smartest person in the room when they are actually high functioning retards.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 03:14 PM (FCWQb)

81 DrewM, I think your diligence sexy.

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:15 PM (KVSUW)

82 80 that's what all the (liberal) boys say.

Hush. Real liberals bottom.

Posted by: Perez Hilton at November 30, 2009 03:15 PM (DtTM9)

83 Global Warming: Drew's timid dick Hacked Emails: Drew's menacing right hand

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:16 PM (jlvw3)

84 Global Warming: No Republican votes in committee to bring Heathcare to a vote
Hacked e-mails: History

Posted by: Just Another Poster at November 30, 2009 03:17 PM (NgoAe)

85 Personally, if I'm anywhere near closing (or laying the groundwork for closing next time), and a girl asks me about global warming, I say go with a noncommittal "I trust the science."

Always be closing Ace. Always.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 03:17 PM (FCWQb)

86 *Not regular stupidity but the aggressive stupidity of someone who thinks they are the smartest person in the room when they are actually high functioning retards.

Ah, the kind of stupidity that one fears might actually be contagious.

Run Forrest! Run!

Posted by: toby928 at November 30, 2009 03:17 PM (PD1tk)

87 OT:

Whichever genius programmer invents a FRIKKIN STOP BUTTON for YouTube, Hulu, Liveleak, etc. stands to make millions, because that person will be a FRIKKIN PIONEER.  Not a pause button which will do nothing to stop the  "valuable" (SO WE ARE TOLD) bandwidth from being used to load the ENTIRE FRIKKIN VID, but a REAL LIVE STOP BUTTON, like the one I had on my Radio Shack cassette player back in 1979.  Whoever invents this PIONEERING PIECE OF GENIUS TECHNOLOGY should be given KINGSHIP.

WHY IS THE WHOLE WORLD RETARDED?

Am I really the first moron to discover this idocy?

Posted by: Taqiyy. at November 30, 2009 03:17 PM (ltfED)

88 >>>DrewM, I think your diligence sexy. On the internet, every guy can beat you up, and every girl might be willing to throw you a mercy boning.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:17 PM (jlvw3)

89 Global Warming: Charlie Weis
Hacked e-mails: 16-21 record the last 3 seasons that turned up in the hacked e-mails

Posted by: Just Another Poster at November 30, 2009 03:19 PM (NgoAe)

90 Crystal, "I know some things have been scientfically settled, but" ... -- nothing is settled, not even gravity

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 03:19 PM (7K04W)

91 Hacked Emails: Drew's menacing right hand

So instead of drawing Senor Wences face on his hand he drew Dick Cheney's?

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at November 30, 2009 03:20 PM (aC0uO)

92
Global Warming: Steve Miller

Hacked e-mails: Abracadabra

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 03:21 PM (+FzLa)

93 @92 Anonimity allows every girl to let her inner ho loose. Woo-hoo!!

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:21 PM (KVSUW)

94 I think gravity's pretty settled. You can only take that "every theory can be overturned tomorrow" so far before you sound less scientific than sophistic.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:22 PM (jlvw3)

95 Global Warming: Drew's chances of getting laid Hacked Emails: Global Warming

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:22 PM (jlvw3)

96

(And, fyi, for the young: Our girls put out more in college, in case that matters to ya. Wink.)

We did get more cooter back then.  Course, I was a bit more svelte.

Posted by: Jek Porkins (rdb) at November 30, 2009 03:22 PM (q6dIH)

97 Global Warming: Tiger Woods

Posted by: Tom Servo, Mike, and Crow at November 30, 2009 03:22 PM (MMC8r)

98

Jean @ 94,

See? Told you I'm scientifically retared

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:22 PM (KVSUW)

99

The Science is scuttled, scuttled, I tells ya!

Posted by: sherlock at November 30, 2009 03:23 PM (ktKOD)

100 Hacked Emails:  Mrs. Woods

Posted by: Tom Servo, Mike, and Crow at November 30, 2009 03:23 PM (MMC8r)

101 thank god we're talking about someone ELSE not getting laid for once. Oh god I am so happy to throw drew to the crowd. Like a bullied kid who detects some new, fresh weak meat to throw to the wolves.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:23 PM (jlvw3)

102 98 I think gravity's pretty settled.

Jean may be referring to Einstein.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:23 PM (GGgoa)

103 McArdle's Climategate post was so retarded as to leave me doubting whether Andrew Sullivan was still the biggest fuckwit on the Atlantic's payroll. She kept referring to the EA-CRUT as their "model." Um, Megan? This word "model" you keep using? I don't think you know what this word means.

A statistical model works like this:

y = f(x, b, e)

where y is a vector of some outcome variable of interest (getting a blowjob on Saturday night, etc.); x is vector of observed predictor variables (money spent on drinks, IQ of the girl, etc.);  b is a vector of parameters, e is error, f is the functional specification of the model. The goal of statistical estimation is to find the value of the b's that minimize the error of the model, when compared against observed data (x and y). If our model fits well against our historic weekend data, then we can happily simulate/forecast the blowjob-optimizing values of alcohol and chick IQ.

In the case of the Great IPCC Climate Swindle, y is the historic record of global temperatures, and the x variables are historic CO2 levels and/or a linear time indicator. Except they aren't, and that's there's the big problem. y is not really "global temperature," it's a set of numbers that the EA-CRU has labeled "global temperature." In their own words "the <i>homogenized value added data.</i>" Or as we say on the street, "shit we made up."

Where are the raw temperature data on which those data are supposedly based? "Ummmmmmmm..... we accidentally erased them." Well okay then, what transforms, fourier filters, wavelets aggregations, etc did you apply to the raw data to arrive at the homogenized series? "We lost the code."

Jesus H. Christ on hockey stick.

Posted by: iowahawk at November 30, 2009 03:24 PM (veL4N)

104 Ace, I pretty much agree with you.  One of the things the GW people were smart about was getting Hollywood to sign on.  Then all of their fans followed blindly, wanting to be cool.

I do think that the emails to Shell Oil open an avenue to allow people to pull away from GW.  So many of them have been indoctrinated into the "evil Big Oil" concept, that surely seeing these guys curry favor with Shell might cause them to question the whole thing.

Either that or they will have one of those melt-downs like the computers on Star Trek did when Spock would present them with two mutually exclusive theories.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 30, 2009 03:24 PM (4DwVn)

105 Global Warming:  Horny Teenage Boy

Hacked Emails: Girlfriend's father's Shotgun

Posted by: nickless at November 30, 2009 03:25 PM (MMC8r)

106

I see. His first impression was, he just figured it was boys being boys. Just some real-life scientists on the job. A worldly cosmopolitan gent such as himself knows how it is.

Jesus Christ.

Does this Mr. Crook have any scientific background at all? On his brief CV he lists Oxford, London School of Economics, and then a long career of having opinions about things. 

 

Posted by: Gov. William J. LePetomaine, Ph.D. at November 30, 2009 03:25 PM (w41GQ)

107 91 OT:

Whichever genius programmer invents a FRIKKIN STOP BUTTON for YouTube, Hulu, Liveleak, etc. stands to make millions,

OOT: Is it too much to ask that they put a footstool at the end of the airport security line?

I, too, often conjecture that I am the smartest person in the world.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 03:25 PM (T0NGe)

108 plain statistical incompetence

But it is infallible when predicting the Jones...

Posted by: Druid at November 30, 2009 03:25 PM (Gct7d)

109 I always had a soft spot for the picked-on kid.

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:25 PM (KVSUW)

110
Hacked e-mails: Landing Party


Global Warming: Red Shirt

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 03:26 PM (+FzLa)

111 >>>>Jean may be referring to Einstein. I think she's referring to the idea that in science everything is open to question, nothing is settled, and any theory can be scuttled in a moment given contrary evidence. Which is true, but.... you know. At some point. Gravity? Exists. Other stuff like whether it's a particle or a force of a bending of spacetime and all that stuff is obviouslys still an open question.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:26 PM (jlvw3)

112 Ace, there gravity anomalies that no current Theory can explain.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 03:26 PM (6Njk9)

113 Global Warming:  Four hour erection

Hacked Emails: Helen Thomas

Posted by: nickless at November 30, 2009 03:27 PM (MMC8r)

114
Global Warming: Ben Affleck's career

Hacked e-mails: Gigli

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 03:28 PM (l1Wlr)

115 Guyyyyyyssssss...knock it offffffff

Posted by: Piltdown Man at November 30, 2009 03:28 PM (T0NGe)

116

Jean:

Great idea and good luck on your FOIA requests noted in #24 above.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 30, 2009 03:28 PM (F71c5)

117

Ace, there gravity anomalies that no current Theory can explain.

No shit and its killing my property value! WTF?

Posted by: Michael Moore at November 30, 2009 03:29 PM (Nn6P3)

118 A globeral warming scientist is one who purposely avows that he knows one hell of a lot about very damn little real data.

Posted by: mystry at November 30, 2009 03:29 PM (kmgIE)

119 118 Ace, there gravity anomalies that no current Theory can explain.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 08:26 PM (6Njk9)

I always thought the theory was, "They're fake."

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 03:29 PM (T0NGe)

120 Actually I was testing Drew's intelligence. A guy who doesn't know enough to lie to a woman... well, let's just say we don't need to be propagating such weak genes.

Posted by: That Chick Drew Was Dating at November 30, 2009 03:30 PM (jlvw3)

121 Ace, there gravity anomalies that no current Theory can explain.

Bush's fault.  Duh.

Posted by: nickless at November 30, 2009 03:30 PM (MMC8r)

122 The more science I studied, the closer we got to Einstein and the further away from Newton we moved.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:30 PM (GGgoa)

123 I always had a soft spot for the picked-on kid.
Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 08:25 PM (KVSUW)

Have I mentioned that Dave in Texas is really mean to me?

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 03:30 PM (FCWQb)

124 Cool match-up, but I won't be watching, given that I've already won this week in my FF league. 

That is, unless Drew Brees throws 3 straight interceptions in the 1st quarter (not such a statisical impossibility as one might think) and then a bulldozer falls on him.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 30, 2009 03:31 PM (otlXg)

125
Global warming: Porta-Potty

Hacked e-mails: No toilet paper

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 03:31 PM (+FzLa)

126
Global Warming: Random Central American guerrillas in Predator

Hacked e-mails: Painless

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 03:31 PM (l1Wlr)

127 AmishDude, some of the early ones were due to differences in instrumentation (space, airborne, etc.) and collection methods -- but there are still some things that make no sense.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 03:32 PM (QFzyw)

128

she now chooses modified limited hang-out denial.

She should have gone with super-modified pro-stock full anti-denial with a half-gainer.

Posted by: Jek Porkins (rdb) at November 30, 2009 03:32 PM (q6dIH)

129 AmishDude,

I'm just sayin.  Wouldn't the Super-Ultra-High-Tech invention of a Stop Button for flash vids decrease the load on the internets by 75% or more?

But that would make sense.  And the days of things making sense, alas, are gone.

Posted by: Taqiyy. at November 30, 2009 03:32 PM (ltfED)

130 Oops, wrong thread, hehe.

It's not a good idea to try to post and surf the web for pron at the same time.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 30, 2009 03:32 PM (otlXg)

131 Well, for the Very First Time this year, Santa Clause - I mean, freaking Santa Clause, had to wish the crowds at the Macy's Day Parade "Happy Thanksgiving!" instead of, "Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Christmas!" I suppose next year it will be, "Happy Global Warming Everybody!"???

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 30, 2009 03:32 PM (QECjC)

132 Jean, I get that gravity is one of physics' biggest puzzles. For such a common force, we really have no idea how it works. (Meanwhile, we know more about stuff like the strong and weak nuclear forces and of course electricity... the oldest force - the one man has known about the longest -- is the most mysterious.) I thought you meant the old saw that, say, what we do know about gravity could be overturned tomorrow IF gravity suddenly began behaving differently. THe latter is true, of course, but is so unlikely as to not be worth mentioning.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:32 PM (jlvw3)

133 Look, discussing global warming with a blow-up doll is not a date and "failure" shouldn't be an option.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:33 PM (GGgoa)

134 I think Ace used up all of his carbon credits composing this post. Having said that, a very insightful analysis.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 30, 2009 03:33 PM (554T5)

135

#118

Not to be a complete geek, but I would really like to know more about that.

Posted by: Daisy at November 30, 2009 03:33 PM (T0ga9)

136 Drew, quick, find out something important to Crystal and tell her you not only don't believe in it, but you want to shit on the head of anyone who does.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:33 PM (jlvw3)

137 Global Warming: Magic Johnson

Hacked Emails: buttsecks

Posted by: i'mnotsayini'mjustsayin... at November 30, 2009 03:34 PM (DtTM9)

138
Global Warming: Pigeon flying in front of home plate

Hacked e-mails: Randy Johnson fastball

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 03:34 PM (l1Wlr)

139

Fucking awesome, Ace, and larger than these damned hucksters--particularly here:

 

"Politics, it has to be kept in mind, is mostly emotional and mostly aspirational. Who we choose as heroes and who we choose as models says, we hope, something about us. We signal to others what kind of people we are (or what kind of people we'd like to imagine we are) by the sort of person we choose to emulate and offer respect to."

Spot on, and the only explanation other than the devil's hand why people read pap like People and watch Oprah specials. I'll jump off a bridge now because there is no hope but lots of bridges.

Posted by: awed at November 30, 2009 03:35 PM (GjSWq)

140

Have I mentioned that Dave in Texas is really mean to me?
Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 08:30 PM (FCWQb

You poor,poor thing. *nestles DrewM.'s head between bosoms*

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:35 PM (KVSUW)

141 Global Warming: The hope Crystal holds out for Drew Hacked Emails: Crystal is a bot created by the Lace Wigs Marketing division

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:36 PM (jlvw3)

142 Global Warming :Jimbo's posting skillz

Hacked emails : Jimbo's posts

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:36 PM (GGgoa)

143 Thanks, awe.

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 03:37 PM (jlvw3)

144
Global Warming: Bambi

Hacked e-mails: Godzilla

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 03:37 PM (l1Wlr)

145

and every girl might be willing to throw you a mercy boning.

HAH!  That's a good one.  Yeah, um

Is that true?

Posted by: Jek Porkins (rdb) at November 30, 2009 03:38 PM (q6dIH)

146 133 AmishDude, some of the early ones were due to differences in instrumentation (space, airborne, etc.) and collection methods -- but there are still some things that make no sense.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 08:32 PM (QFzyw)

It's just that in circumstances in which gravity's effects should have manifested themselves, I see objects that seem to defy gravity.

They seem larger than they should be, however, and sometimes there's a vein showing.

So my theory is: They must be fake.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 03:38 PM (T0NGe)

147

Hmm...in the quoted article, I don't like the words " plain statistical incompetence" because it implies that this wasn't deliberate, that there was some kind of sloppy reporting that made these folks come to the wrong conclusions.  It was deliberate, pure and simple.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 30, 2009 03:39 PM (eNxMU)

148 I for one am glad I finally understand the official rules for commenting. Thanks for explaining them to me. The rest of your post was outstanding. Except of course for the words prickface, fuckhead, black and white. They don't offend me, but they might offend someone, someplace, and what about the children who might read some of this?

Posted by: dr kill at November 30, 2009 03:39 PM (kQWfP)

149 This is partly why I get on some commenters for their casual use of nasty racial put downs. Not only do such comments offend me, but those making them make for poor ambassadors for conservatism: Note that every time you do this, there's some reader out there thinking These are not the sorts of people I wish to be around, or to count as my political brethren. I'd rather be part of the team that doesn't think watermelon jokes are all the rage

All the time I am confronted with conservatives whom make jokes in this manner as some form of harmless fun; as if being completely oblivious to the issue of racial relations is some sort of halmark of a "true" conservative, one that flies in the face of all forms of political correctness. I try to tell them, pretend you are addressing the apathetic, squishy, middle, whom have never educated themselves on political philosophy enough to know that a war of ideology is ongoing and is culminating in this country between the collectivists and individualists. They know not that there is really no middle ground, no fence to walk between the two ideals, no happy medium that makes some sort of sense. Soon, as the polarization reaches critical levels, they will realize, and they will have to make a choice, or admit to themselves that they are turning a blind eye to mankind's future. We then try to convince them of the high mindedness of conservative beliefs about the potential of society as realized through the free individual by telling worn out less than funny jokes whose common element is fixation on the melanin content of the Presidents skin; the best response they could ever merit is a nervous, awkward, courtesy chuckle. While also resulting in permanent alienation of potential allies.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 30, 2009 03:40 PM (0q2P7)

150
Global Warming: The guy standing between the Senate floor and a cable news reporter broadcasting live.

Hacked e-mails: Chuck Schumer

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 03:40 PM (l1Wlr)

151 Must also chime in to agree with Ace re the "bedfellows" issue. The Climategate scandal is real, and huge. But it is unfortunately becoming a hobby horse for some opportunistic anti-science luddites and conspiracy kooks like Alex Jones.

Posted by: iowahawk at November 30, 2009 03:40 PM (veL4N)

152 Ok, Ace I didn't catch that. Daisy - best place to start looking are topics (or google terms) like gravitational navigation, plate tectonics, submarine finding, etc. It is a niche business. I'm not sure what would be a good open source starting point. I believe it is also an issue in oil/gas exploration.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 03:40 PM (1bQOq)

153 I'm real!! I followed a link from Gateway Pundit about a week ago!!

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:40 PM (KVSUW)

154 Global Warming : The New York Football Giants

Hacked emails : Their opponents game plan

Heading to a bar. See ya'll. If I don't get a bj : global warming.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:41 PM (GGgoa)

155
Hacked Emails: Crystal is a bot created by the Lace Wigs Marketing division

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 08:36 PM (jlvw3)



Global Warming: Crystal is a bot created by the Lace Wigs Marketing division

Hacked e-mails: Drew walks in on jason and laptop-battery guy banging his date.

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 03:42 PM (+FzLa)

156 Crystal is a bot created by the Lace Wigs Marketing division

Hey, those guys are geniuses. If anyone ever perfects the FemBot (sex and samiches), I bet it's them.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 03:42 PM (FCWQb)

157

Welcome, Ace. Off to that bridge now. But one last point: and The Daily Beast. It is the same instinct that drives the herd there as well.

 

 

Posted by: awed at November 30, 2009 03:42 PM (GjSWq)

158 I'm real!!
Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 08:40 PM (KVSUW)

And spectacular!

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 03:43 PM (FCWQb)

159 Global Warming: 52-year-old about to score some fresh preteen ass

Hacked E-Mails: Chris Hansen

Posted by: i'mnotsayini'mjustsayin... at November 30, 2009 03:43 PM (DtTM9)

160 Why Laptop-battery is my hero:

41 I think the government ought to publish some politics about the working people,but it is not useful for the pledge of the rich.

Posted by: Laptop-battery at November 28, 2009 05:12 AM (1Z0Al)




Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:45 PM (GGgoa)

161 159 I'm real!! I followed a link from Gateway Pundit about a week ago!!

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 08:40 PM (KVSUW)

How you doin'?

Posted by: AmishDude, who is much cooler and better looking than DrewM. at November 30, 2009 03:46 PM (T0NGe)

162 I believe that global warming is whatever you need it to be, baby.

Posted by: ace, who is cooler than both drew and amish and also has a really cool blog at November 30, 2009 03:47 PM (jlvw3)

163 Global Warming: Cyber flirting with women at AoS
Hacked Emails: Your wife reading through a comment page you left open.

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 03:47 PM (YZac3)

164 Is this anything like discovering the person you were told was a Professor of Law was actually only a guest lecturer on Alinsky and The Cloward-Pivin Strategies?

Posted by: Ol Grandpa who remembers old stuff at November 30, 2009 03:48 PM (+CLh/)

165 It's all good, baby.

Posted by: ace, who is so cool he says things like "It's all good, baby" at November 30, 2009 03:48 PM (jlvw3)

166 Something needs to happen to Alex Jones before our good friends in the MSM pick up that he's jumped on the climategate band wagon.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at November 30, 2009 03:49 PM (nlTK1)

167 Global Warming: Your self image as a super cool AoS commenter
Hacked Emails: Your wife finding out you post by the handle "Warden"

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 03:49 PM (YZac3)

168 I can make you experience global warming.

In your pants.

Posted by: Black Vulcan at November 30, 2009 03:50 PM (T0NGe)

169

Mike the Moose,

I was a democrat in college, and starting leaning more to the right after I left school. You're pretty much right, although all black people aren't thin skinned. Especially black conservatives. I have experienced more racism from the left in the last ten months, than in my entire 31 years. You are also right about perception. I pass along links to family members and friends, hoping that they'll give truth a chance. It's extremely hard to cut through years of effective liberal brainwashin and victimization. Couple that with the very real fact of slavery, segregation, etc.

I remember in middle school that we had to watch "Eye on the Prize" every year in February. Great. I needed to know my history. the price that was paid by those before me, so that I could have an equal shot. But what was conviently left of the lesson plan was redeemption. The teachers dweeled on the oppression, and not of the perserverance. The balcks that marched in the  streets in that era sttod for something. My granmother would cra in her pants, if she were alive to see what our culture has come to.

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:50 PM (KVSUW)

170 ace, who is cooler than both drew and amish and also has a really cool blog

Ace, you have a really cool blog? What's the url of that blog?

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 03:50 PM (FCWQb)

171 34 Dude, the science is settled.

Posted by: Jean-Baptiste Lamarck at November 30, 2009 07:44 PM (QKKT0)


Yeah, at the bottom of a dumpster. 


Ok fine, I stole my joke from treacher... haven't you guys figured out I steal most of my jokes?   That's why the ones I'm proud of aren't the good ones (they're just the original ones).

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 30, 2009 03:50 PM (3SeZf)

172 Ace, you have a really cool blog? What's the url?

I think he's talking about the ghost site.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 30, 2009 03:51 PM (GGgoa)

173 Uh.  Gravity, Ace?  Might wanna go with something more settled.  We have no idea how it's transmitted.  No one has ever found a gravity wave.  And if there are gravity waves, they might be waves in the fabric of spacetime itself, since gravity is the result of massive bodies warping spacetime.

When you wanna talk about nice, settled, non-controversial science, maybe stay away from modern physics.  It's kooky beyond belief.

But here's a serious question.  And let me admit I know precious little about the field of climate science.  Have climate scientists ever made a prediction that held up?  Not trying to be snarky, I really don't know.  You'd think they'd have to make a few before being taken seriously.  I know that hurricane one didn't work out.  And the inevitable, unstoppable, uninterruptible rise of temperature with CO2 concentration didn't work out.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 30, 2009 03:51 PM (cPa0+)

174 Global Warming:  Male Morons' Sexual Bravado

Hacked Emails:  Reality

Posted by: nickless at November 30, 2009 03:52 PM (MMC8r)

175 It's not the size of your blog.

It's how you use it.

Posted by: AmishDude, who knows how to use html at November 30, 2009 03:52 PM (T0NGe)

176 Ok fine, I stole my joke from treacher...

Global Warming: Gekkobear's ability to bring teh funnay.
Hacked Emails: People who don't "do" courtesy laughs.

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 03:53 PM (YZac3)

177 jumped on the climategate band wagon?

Christ. That guy's been screaming this from the rooftops for at least a decade.
Now he looks like a hero.

Posted by: Ol Grandpa who remembers old stuff at November 30, 2009 03:53 PM (+CLh/)

178
Global Warming: The daily Ace double-post.

Hacked e-mails: Morons who fight over being the first to comment "Ace doesn't read his own blog".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 03:54 PM (l1Wlr)

179 Olbermann just said we should leave Afghanistan.

Remember when the left said that was the good war and the one who had to win.

Oh and he just said the military wants the war to last forever because that's why they get paid.

Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 03:54 PM (FCWQb)

180 I get that gravity is one of physics' biggest puzzles. For such a common force, we really have no idea how it works. ........

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2009 08:32 PM (jlvw3)

There is no gravity. The earth sucks.

Posted by: LGoPs at November 30, 2009 03:54 PM (v/rEn)

181 FUBAR, I like math.  Metaphysical certainty.  You have to prove your results or nothing.  No using the real world as a crutch.  I've decided not to pay attention to physics until they get it right.

Posted by: AmishDude, he of the huge brain, huuuuuge I say at November 30, 2009 03:55 PM (T0NGe)

182 Someone tell Crystal, "no worries."

"No worries" is way cooler than "it's all good, baby". Seriously, I almost got laid once saying it.

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 03:55 PM (YZac3)

183 Ace? Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 30, 2009 03:56 PM (+CLh/)

184 Charles called.  He said you're all "deniers" and teh golbaal wamring monster will eet u.

Posted by: tangonine at November 30, 2009 03:56 PM (C8Pcc)

185 Hahahaha

Liberal is an anagram of braille. Appropriate because they appear unable to see or read about the climate science scandals.—Tim Ball

Posted by: Andy at November 30, 2009 03:56 PM (VMyjP)

186
Olbermann just said we should leave Afghanistan.

Remember when the left said that was the good war and the one who had to win.

Oh and he just said the military wants the war to last forever because that's why they get paid.

Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 08:54 PM (FCWQb)






He didn't jump the shark,....he just jumped the Snake River Canyon.

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 03:56 PM (+FzLa)

187 Olbermann just said we should leave Afghanistan.

Oh and he just said the military wants the war to last forever because that's why they get paid.

Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 08:54 PM (FCWQb)

LGoPs just said that Olbermann should leave the fucking planet.

Oh, and he just says these things because that's how he gets paid.

Olbermann is a Fuckstick.

Posted by: LGoPs at November 30, 2009 03:56 PM (v/rEn)

188 186 Olbermann just said we should leave Afghanistan.

Remember when the left said that was the good war and the one who had to win.

Oh and he just said the military wants the war to last forever because that's why they get paid.

Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 30, 2009 08:54 PM (FCWQb)

Olbermann?  Inconsistent?  Elitist?  Stupid?  The devil you say!

Drew, does Ace pay you crazy blog hazard pay to watch MSNBC?

Posted by: AmishDude, lookin' out for the co-bloggers, because he's a sensitive kinda guy at November 30, 2009 03:57 PM (T0NGe)

189 So, I'm guessing Olbermann isn't doing any USO stops anytime soon.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 03:58 PM (tJF9l)

190 I don't agree with much of what he says but Michael Savage is right on this one. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Posted by: LGoPs at November 30, 2009 03:58 PM (v/rEn)

191 keith olberman will be the first motherfucker lined up against the wall.

Posted by: tangonine at November 30, 2009 03:58 PM (C8Pcc)

192 170 Global Warming: Cyber flirting with women at AoS
Hacked Emails: Your wife reading through a comment page you left open.

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 08:47 PM (YZac3)

Lolz!!!!

And yet, sad at the same time.

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 03:59 PM (KVSUW)

193 Both of Olbermann's viewers are outraged.

Posted by: AmishDude, able to wield old cheap jokes with the deftness of Hayden Christensen at November 30, 2009 03:59 PM (T0NGe)

194

Global warming: A $5 gift card to Chucky Cheese.

Hacked emails: A pony. That shits gold. And is nervous.

Posted by: awed from the grave at November 30, 2009 03:59 PM (GjSWq)

195
Global Warming: Randi Rhoads

Hacked e-mails: Vodka and a Manhattan sidewalk

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 03:59 PM (l1Wlr)

196 So Amish, what do you think of empty space having mass and compression?

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2009 04:01 PM (+CLh/)

197 Global Warming: Maureen Dowd's love life
Hacked emails: Catherine Zeta-Jones

Posted by: AmishDude, joining in at November 30, 2009 04:01 PM (T0NGe)

198

Keith was just giving the Kos Kids a blumpkin

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 04:01 PM (+FzLa)

199

I wrote Obama an open letter on my blog saying enough is enough! We love you, widdle Twinkums but if you don't get our mean Mr. McShooty Pants guys out of Afghanistan, we'll have a tantrum and then we'll say "or Else!"

Actually, I didn't type it out on a keyboard. I wrote it in Easy Cheese on a 300 lb yellow fin tuna, took a shot with my CoolPix camera, e-mailed it to my leather-whip boy and then he typed it up for my blog. Then I made sweet, sweet love to the Easy Cheese covered tuna.

You didn't think I was going to eat it, did you? Gross!

Posted by: Michael Moore at November 30, 2009 04:01 PM (Nn6P3)

200

@188

Really? I mean, your brain...really?

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 04:02 PM (KVSUW)

201 Global warimg : the fun, flirty, boozy girl you talk and dance with all night Hacked emails : the mother hen at last call

Posted by: Johnny I at November 30, 2009 04:02 PM (wRAyx)

202 203 So Amish, what do you think of empty space having mass and compression?

Posted by: Mr Wizard at November 30, 2009 09:01 PM (+CLh/)

There is no such thing as empty space.

Except between the ears of a sociology professor.

Posted by: AmishDude, showing the knowledge at November 30, 2009 04:03 PM (T0NGe)

203 Global Warming: Getting an super-sexy Playboy Bunny tattoo just above your  left breast
Hacked emails: Your grandson asking you about it 45 years from now.

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 04:03 PM (YZac3)

204 randi rhodes WOULD be the 2d POS lined up against the wall... except it would take too many rounds.  1 Noose would probably end it cheaply. 


And yes, Randi, you cna use this on your radio show to illustrate how much we fucking hate you.  And as a USAF MTI, I'd have had your ass discharged before your could claim the rank of airman.  You piece of shit.

Posted by: tangonine at November 30, 2009 04:04 PM (C8Pcc)

205
Global Warming: The TV show Felicity

Hacked e-mails: Keri Russell's new 2nd season hairstyle

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:04 PM (l1Wlr)

206

Global warming: Michael Moore

Hacked emails: Andrew Breitbart

Posted by: awed from the grave at November 30, 2009 04:04 PM (GjSWq)

207 ^Warming

Posted by: Johnny I at November 30, 2009 04:04 PM (wRAyx)

208 Global Warming: Olbermann sleaze-charming the panties off a naive college bimbo

Hacked E-Mails: she only carries Magnums

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 30, 2009 04:04 PM (DtTM9)

209

Gravity, Schmavity.

I still wanna launch Algore out of a clown-cannon.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 30, 2009 04:05 PM (F71c5)

210 Every third grader doing a math problem knows that you have to show your work or you don't get credit. Where do these fucksticks get off thinking they don't have to?

Posted by: LGoPs at November 30, 2009 04:05 PM (v/rEn)

211 tangonine, in the next revolution we shoot the reporters first - that kill all the lawyers stuff was so 20th century.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 04:05 PM (PjevJ)

212 so much to ignore, so little time to ignore it...

Posted by: MSM at November 30, 2009 04:05 PM (RxUMK)

213


There is no such thing as empty space.

Except between the ears of a sociology professor.


Women's Studies Majors?

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:06 PM (+CLh/)

214 Global Warming: Telling some doucheface he's an illiterate retard on the internet.

Hacked emails: Using "your" instead of "you're" while doing it.

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 04:06 PM (YZac3)

215

Global warming: Tipper

Hacked emails: Pizza and an old sock.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2009 04:07 PM (GjSWq)

216

Really? I mean, your brain...really?

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 09:02 PM (KVSUW)

Haven't you ever said, "I want you to think my brains out!"?

I wear a size 16EEE hat.

I know how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop.  (Answer: Just a few more, just a few more.)

Posted by: AmishDude, just answering fanmail at November 30, 2009 04:07 PM (T0NGe)

217

Ace, I know the only time you hear from me is when you say something I disagree with, and I'm not normally into kissing your ass, but what you wrote here in this original post was a friggin' jewel of both well reasoned thinking and insight on the mental process at work with these clowns.

I'm awestruck.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 30, 2009 04:07 PM (H7Rlw)

218
Global Warming: Styx

Hacked e-mails: Mr. Roboto

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:08 PM (l1Wlr)

219

Women's Studies Majors?

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 09:06 PM (+CLh/)

No way!  Women's studies majors are brilliant.  Where else can you get an A to hang out with a room full of chicks with low self-esteem?

Posted by: AmishDude, just answering fanmail at November 30, 2009 04:08 PM (T0NGe)

220 Global Warming: The male body

Hacked Emails: Tom Arnold's moobs.

Posted by: John Harvey Kellogg at November 30, 2009 04:09 PM (aC0uO)

221
crystal, if you're still here, jason came bearing all kinds of gifts for you. I think he's the one.

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 04:09 PM (+FzLa)

222 Global Warming: Wahabi Jihadi

Hacked Emails: Hellfire Missile

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:09 PM (+CLh/)

223
Global Warming: KISS

Hacked e-mails: Makeup remover

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:09 PM (l1Wlr)

224 Damn, I'm wet, Jim.

Posted by: Ace's ass at November 30, 2009 04:09 PM (T0NGe)

225

AGW:  Fonzie

Hacked e-mails:  the shark

Posted by: Jek Porkins (rdb) at November 30, 2009 04:10 PM (q6dIH)

226 Global warming: Awesome thread
Hacked emails: CD keys

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 04:10 PM (T0NGe)

227

My solution? Everybody who believes in Global Warming hold your breath and keep holding it to prevent that CO2 pollutant from adding to it.

Begin.....NOW!

Problem solved in about 3 minutes. All the fucktards are dead and we can go on living our lives.

Posted by: LGoPs at November 30, 2009 04:11 PM (v/rEn)

228 So, you're an optimist!

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:11 PM (+CLh/)

229 ace,

I bet the 'hockey team' supporters might enjoy another post on the Everything Is Wonderful blog.

"We've been caught lying, cheating, and stealing. Everything is wonderful!"

Posted by: Iskandar at November 30, 2009 04:11 PM (u1pln)

230 Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 08:50 PM (KVSUW)

Crystal:
I am of the firm belief that many if not most Democrats know for a fact how destructive modern racism is. The "Sell out"/"Uncle Tom" self limiting cultural trends which punish the industrious and successful with ostracization creates a permenant segment of victim dependents the power brokers (Jesse and Al) use as a voting block for political purposes. So the politicians string a few handout programs together, enough to show their coveted voting block they "care", and are "doing something" but are very careful to keep them dependent; and sitting at the table are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, reaping the political and financial rewards of assisting a perpetuity in dependent status amongst their followers. Human lives used as less than pawns, more like money, more like property, it is the antithesis of humanity, and has every element of the slavery, segregation, and prejudice, that we have fought so hard to destroy. Yet conservatism is evil because we seek for all people to live independently on their own two feet, free from dependence, free from fealty. We are the evil ones.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 30, 2009 04:12 PM (0q2P7)

231 Global Warming: Olbermann delivering a smug verbal thrashing to Bill O'Reilly

Hacked E-Mails: looking over the ratings the next day

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 30, 2009 04:12 PM (DtTM9)

232

Global Warming: Telling your wife that AoSHQ is your favorite blog
Hacked Emails: Your wife reading the site.

Posted by: toby928 at November 30, 2009 04:12 PM (PD1tk)

233
Global Warming: Wilbur Mills

Hacked e-mails: Fanne Foxe

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:13 PM (l1Wlr)

234
Global Warming: Maximilien Robespierre

Hacked e-mails: Dr. Joseph-Ignace Guillotin

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:17 PM (l1Wlr)

235

AGW:  Ace's dream.

Global warming:  Ace's reality.

Posted by: Jek Porkins (rdb) at November 30, 2009 04:17 PM (q6dIH)

236 Global Warming: Swedish Porn
Hacked Emails: Finding out it stars a Joan Rivers look alike.

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:18 PM (+CLh/)

237 Does this also mean that Al Gore neither invented the internet nor re-invented government?

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 04:18 PM (4iIhs)

238 Global Warming: Megan McCain
Hacked emails: My Anger at Obama

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 04:19 PM (T0NGe)

239

Blazer...nah.

AmishDude made me feel kinda funny @224...I liked it

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 04:20 PM (KVSUW)

240

THe latter is true, of course, but is so unlikely as to not be worth mentioning.

Past results are no indication of future performance, as your financial advistor says. Good science is predictive, but not inevitably so -- quantum theory, which has been proven about as well as any physical theory we know of, makes some very strange predictions that seem to flout other "settled sciences" like gravitation and EM theory. This is the biggest remaining problem in physics, in fact: unifying the Newtonian and Quantum models of matter. The problem is -- they disagree (fundamentally!) in certain extreme environments. (Like proximity to very energetic or very massive objects.)

Which is to say: just because everything always has been that way doesn't mean that everything will continue to be that way. It's a question of probabilities, of ratios, and a question of how well we understand either of those (not very well). We do the best we can and move on, but absolute certainty about the physical world is unseemly -- we do not even begin to know enough to be confident in what we don't yet know, much less about what we (think) we do know. Humility before nature is the sine qua non of all great scientists.

I always say that honest scientists and engineers should use a lower-case "f" when speaking of facts, and never utter the word "truth" at all.

 

Posted by: Monty at November 30, 2009 04:20 PM (sYaae)

241 That's right Che.
But he did redefine Diabolical.

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:20 PM (+CLh/)

242 And does this also mean that "The Way We Were" was not about Al & Tipper? This is turning my who world upside down.

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 04:20 PM (4iIhs)

243

AmishDude made me feel kinda funny @224...I liked it

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 09:20 PM (KVSUW)

Like when we used to climb the rope in gym class.

Posted by: Garth at November 30, 2009 04:21 PM (T0NGe)

244 Please tell me that Al Gore's lock box is still around. Please! I starting to feel disillusioned ... like maybe Al Gore may have "massaged the truth (including the inconvenient ones)". Say it ain't so.

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 04:23 PM (4iIhs)

245 Global Warming: Mike Huckabee

Hacked E-Mails: Maurice Clemmons

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 30, 2009 04:23 PM (DtTM9)

246 take two, if this doesn't work, it is an article at American Thinker.

Posted by: sTevo at November 30, 2009 09:22 PM (eA3tl)

Don't you mean "American Stinker"?

Hee, hee, hee, hee, *snort*

Posted by: Mikey Mann at November 30, 2009 04:24 PM (T0NGe)

247 254 Please tell me that Al Gore's lock box is still around. Please!

Yes, I think Tipper's still kicking.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 04:24 PM (T0NGe)

248 258 nice hash mikey

Posted by: sTevo at November 30, 2009 09:26 PM (eA3tl)

Some of our hashes are born, some are made and some are thrust upon us.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 04:27 PM (T0NGe)

249 Global Warming: Oprah

Hacked E-Mails: ho-hos, ding dongs, and twinkies

Posted by: what? at November 30, 2009 04:27 PM (DtTM9)

250
Al Gore must have the biggest hands in the world because he's jerking  all of us off

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:29 PM (+CLh/)

251

Mike the Moose..

Exactly. And..in he last fifty years or so, with every social program, with Jesse, Al an' them, exactly how has the black culture steadied itself? When have you EVER heard Al Jesse et al encouraging black children, rather than extorting corporations and individuals? It seems that we, as a culture, make demands on everyone but OURSELVES. Waiting on Daddy-Governemnt to "clean up our neighborhoods", "educate our children", "get rid of poverty", etc but fail to do anything ourselves but make demands. There is this filter that black people (in general) see everything through. It's the filter of race, aided and abetted by the media, and the left. I asked m mother, last year, who she was voting for. Increduously, she looked at me and said "obama, of course". I then said, "but don't you like owning your own business?" My mom then spat out the standard liberal line--"It was George Bush that got us in this mess"...ARGHHHHH!!

I forgot to add that to the list of Obama's one-liners''"I inherited this mess".

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 04:29 PM (KVSUW)

252


Blazer...nah.

AmishDude made me feel kinda funny @224...I liked it

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 09:20 PM (KVSUW)





Hey Amish,....you slippin' the moronettes roofies again?

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 04:31 PM (+FzLa)

253 Global Warming: A somewhat attractive female that want a piece of your action. Hubba hubba. Hacked Emails: The Crying Game

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 04:31 PM (4iIhs)

254 Whoever leaked this emails couldn't have done it or timed it more perfectly.  I say s/he's Nobel Prize material.

Posted by: Jek Porkins (rdb) at November 30, 2009 04:31 PM (q6dIH)

255 Republicans love wrecking government and blaming it on us.

Posted by: Barney Frank at November 30, 2009 04:32 PM (DtTM9)

256
How much longer until some lower level global warming scientists start jumping ship to save their hides with the "We were lied to!" defense?

That's when things will start getting fun.  Just like a bunch of mob bosses rolling over on each other.

Posted by: Dang at November 30, 2009 04:34 PM (UA4gE)

257 Global Warming: Newt Gingrich

Hacked E-Mails: NY-23

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at November 30, 2009 04:34 PM (DtTM9)

258 Whoever leaked this emails couldn't have done it or timed it more perfectly

On very good authority it was a setup,
from an insider worried about being busted for FOIA crimes.

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:34 PM (+CLh/)

259 Global Warming: NE Patriots Perfect Season Hacked Emails: David Tyree's helmet

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 04:35 PM (4iIhs)

260 Hey Amish,....you slippin' the moronettes roofies again?

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 09:31 PM (+FzLa)

That's a damnable lie and I deny all of it, unless you have copies of my emails.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 04:35 PM (T0NGe)

261 Monty--I've been in retail financial services for years, I know that well. That's actually a government mandate. All charts, language and sales materials have to be couched in those terms. Any slip up gets you a trip to your friendly neighborhood FINRA arbitrator and a permanent black mark. And that's for screwing somebody for $20. We're talking about friggin' trillions, nothing. AGW : Overpromises Hacks : Underdelivers

Posted by: Johnny I at November 30, 2009 04:35 PM (wRAyx)

262 Global Warming: A Ford Pinto Hacked Emails: A rear end collision

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 04:37 PM (4iIhs)

263
Global Warming: Good taste

Hacked e-mails: Michelle Obama's fashion sense

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:37 PM (l1Wlr)

264 Global warming: Outdoor state dinner in November
Hacked emails: Reality show attention whores

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 04:38 PM (T0NGe)

265
Global Warming: Silky Pony

Hacked e-mails: Broken condom

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:40 PM (l1Wlr)

266

Global Warming: Watermelon

Hacked e-mails: Gallagher's sledgehammer

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 30, 2009 04:40 PM (P33XN)

267
Global warming: The real war that needs to be won
Hacked emails: Actually being elected

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:41 PM (+CLh/)

268 Global warming: A decent NFL broadcast.
Hacked emails: Obama's proto-fascist serve.gov ad with Obama catching a football in slow motion.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 04:41 PM (T0NGe)

269

See what I did there, Ace?

Watermelon can be funny.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 30, 2009 04:41 PM (P33XN)

270 Okay, I have entirely too many of these X:Y things here....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:41 PM (l1Wlr)

271
Global Warming: Chevy Corvair

Hacked e-mails: Ralph Nader

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 04:43 PM (+FzLa)

272 Global warming: Dead horse
Hacked emails: IllTemperedCur

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 04:43 PM (T0NGe)

273 Okay, I have entirely too many of these X:Y things here....

What I really should have said is...

Global Warming: ITC's claims of having a life

Hacked e-mails:  The X:Y thing

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:45 PM (l1Wlr)

274
Global warming: Armageddon
Hacked emails: Jesus

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:45 PM (+CLh/)

275
Global Warming: Al Gore for president 2000

Hacked e-mails: Ralph Nader

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 04:46 PM (+FzLa)

276 AGW : the kid behind Barry in that serve.gov commerical Hacks : getting your pass from an NFL player yanked by the Pres for a photo op

Posted by: Johnny I at November 30, 2009 04:46 PM (wRAyx)

277 I'm thinking analogies, but I'm afraid of rejection.

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 04:47 PM (KVSUW)

278 (per my brother) Say climate science and a Milli Vanilli tune just pops into my head.

Posted by: RicardoVerde at November 30, 2009 04:47 PM (PBTsv)

279 @286..that was good.

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 04:47 PM (KVSUW)

280

Global warming: Wine-stained tennis shoes.

Hacked emails: AA

 

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2009 04:48 PM (GjSWq)

281 It's gonna' be Ok Crystal, it's us

Posted by: Beto at November 30, 2009 04:49 PM (+CLh/)

282 AGW: Darryl Stingley Hack: Jack Tatum AGW: Joe Theisman's leg Hack: L.T.

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 04:50 PM (4iIhs)

283

Global Warming: O.J. Simpson's azz

Hacked e-mails: Bubba from C Block

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 30, 2009 04:51 PM (P33XN)

284

Global warming: John Glenn as astronaut.

Global warming: John Glenn as United States senator.

Posted by: Al at November 30, 2009 04:51 PM (GjSWq)

285
Global Warming: Katie Couric


Hacked e-mails: Kodak

Posted by: Blazer at November 30, 2009 04:51 PM (+FzLa)

286 Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 09:29 PM (KVSUW)

I'm glad you saw the prison bars and left. I myself live behind enemy lines in the "Hawked all of our gold to pay for social programs" State. And to think we actually elected Reagan at one time. I've got to get going, have fun with the other morons.

BTW morons, I expect that you've taken notes on how to have a real conversation with someone you just met?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 30, 2009 04:52 PM (0q2P7)

287 Holy shit, read this!  Hits it out of the park.

Posted by: sherlock at November 30, 2009 04:52 PM (ktKOD)

288

Ok here goes...

Global Warming: The Spice Channel

Hacked Emails: Jeanene Garafolo on The View (with Rosie O'Donnell hosting)

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 04:54 PM (KVSUW)

289

209 Iowahawk

"McArdle's Climategate post was so retarded as to leave me doubting whether Andrew Sullivan was still the biggest fuckwit on the Atlantic's payroll. She kept referring to the EA-CRUT as their "model." Um, Megan? This word "model" you keep using? I don't think you know what this word means.

A statistical model works like this:

y = f(x, b, e)"

Dr. Wegman I presume?

http://tinyurl.com/ylge8ze

Posted by: riterong at November 30, 2009 04:54 PM (jWvfJ)

290
Global Warming: The Beatles

Hacked e-mails: Yoko Ono

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 04:55 PM (l1Wlr)

291

I'm glad you saw the prison bars and left. I myself live behind enemy lines in the "Hawked all of our gold to pay for social programs" State. And to think we actually elected Reagan at one time. I've got to get going, have fun with the other morons.

California?

BTW morons, I expect that you've taken notes on how to have a real conversation with someone you just met?

I enjoyed it just as much

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 30, 2009 09:52 PM (0q2P7)

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 04:56 PM (KVSUW)

292 AGW: Obama's "soaring rhetoric" Hack: "There's something about August going into September where everybody in Washington gets all wee-weed up."

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 04:57 PM (4iIhs)

293

McArdle's Climategate post was so retarded as to leave me doubting whether Andrew Sullivan was still the biggest fuckwit on the Atlantic's payroll.

Bigfoot, dude. She believes in Bigfoot.*

*My now-standard response to any pro-McArdle post. She sometimes says wise things, but also is on record for voting for Obama. This equates directly to an otherwise-sane person who devoutly believes in Bigfoot. It raises questions about her judgement. Ann Althouse is another Bigfoot believer.

 

Posted by: Monty at November 30, 2009 04:59 PM (sYaae)

294

I don't know if it is possible, by damn, but we're gonna upsize our carbon footprint.

 

Posted by: Tipper at November 30, 2009 05:00 PM (GjSWq)

295 AGW: Obama's "soaring rhetoric"
Hack: "There's something about August going into September where everybody in Washington gets all wee-weed up."

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 09:57 PM (4iIhs)

Ha! I particuarly enjoy it when Obama's voice channels the old black southern baptist preacher. Almost as bad as when Hilary did it..."I ein't nah wayzz ti-urrrd"....

Posted by: crystal at November 30, 2009 05:00 PM (KVSUW)

296 BTW morons, I expect that you've taken notes on how to have a real conversation with someone you just met?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at November 30, 2009 09:52 PM (0q2P7)

Do you have any idea who you're talking to?  We don't talk to real people.

We are internet people.

We are all handsome, beautiful, witty, brilliant, rich and accomplished.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 05:00 PM (T0NGe)

297

AGW: Tiger golfing.

Hacked email: Tiger driving.

Posted by: AWOL at November 30, 2009 05:03 PM (GjSWq)

298 AGW: Post-racial America Hack: "But she is a typical white person..."

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 05:06 PM (4iIhs)

299

Do you have any idea who you're talking to?  We don't talk to real people.

We are internet people.

We are all handsome, beautiful, witty, brilliant, rich and accomplished.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 10:00 PM (T0NGe)

Hear, hear.

Posted by: Roseanne Barr at November 30, 2009 05:06 PM (LKkE8)

300 Hey Roseanne, you're fat.

Posted by: RTH615 at November 30, 2009 05:15 PM (Rytlc)

301 AGW: A full bottle of Valu-Rite Vodka Hack: Ace, a straw & 10 minutes

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 30, 2009 05:17 PM (4iIhs)

302 Monbiot's throwing Jones under the bus was a transparent "Hail Mary" attempt to salvage a bad situation by manufacturing a convenient scapegoat and hoping it would all blow over if a few witches were burned on the spot.

Now that we're a few days down the road from Monbiot's statement, and more analysis has happened, and it looks like its not just going to blow over, Monbiot is starting to look more like a crapweasle than the pure broker of honesty and unicorns he professes to be.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 30, 2009 06:23 PM (sUghd)

303 Is this 0.1 of a loaf in the NYT?

http://tinyurl.com/yhpl8so

Just heard Climate Depot guy on WABC-am's new John Bachelor show (used to love his show; now he makes me cringe much of time, but I digress)..

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 30, 2009 06:30 PM (I2aaX)

304 This is something my SO, the actual docweasel, has been blogging about for a while: the American public votes for president the guy they think is cooler, period. It's been that way for a long time, probably since after FDR, anyway. Not more competent, not who has the better policies, who's cooler. The Dems _should_ have that locked up, seeing as they have pop culture monopolized, but they keep nominating Mondales, Dukakis', Kerry's, etc. Once they figure it out, we're toast. They think they figured it out with Obama. But turns out, he's not really so cool. So he will get beat next time out, unless we nominate Romney.

Posted by: ms. docweasel at November 30, 2009 06:48 PM (kgwdA)

305 With you all the way up to the comparisons between O and McCain, stating that it was superficial to not support McCain. McCain is an incoherent, unstable narcissist who loves the sound of his own voice. When he selected that moron Palin for running mate, I knew I couldn't vote for him. I voted for Bob Barr as I could never vote for Obama, but McCain was almost as bad a pick as Bob Dole. The Republicans are just a slower death for out country than the Democrats.

Posted by: Glenn at November 30, 2009 07:30 PM (GhO4J)

306 ACE---

You hit it out of the park with this one.

Brilliant psychological analysis---I always benefit from your insights into how people really think and make decisions. This is the unpleasant reality we have to face up to if we want to have any hope of winning elections.



Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 30, 2009 10:27 PM (eBpsW)

307 Hey, I got an Idea! All this raw data that I have spent my career amassing and proves my case for global warming, I'm gonna throw it away! I just got 13 million bucks and a new building, why should I spring for an Intern and a hard drive?

Posted by: awnree at November 30, 2009 10:47 PM (ZNdcE)

308 Right on about people knowing fuck all.  I was talking to a US tax attorney about Climategate yesterday, and his response "Have you seen the giant jellyfish near Japan?"  (The "it must be global warming" was silent.)

Posted by: Son of a Pig and a Monkey at December 01, 2009 03:36 AM (RD17r)

309 Most folks do not have occasion to think long and hard about what constitutes valid evidence, and of those folks who do, their thinking is often limited to a narrow personal or occupational concern. Logic and reason (or their lack) are, in part, a function of native intelligence, but in other part are a reflection of the tacit principles underlying a society. Just look, for example, how otherwise highly intelligent folks are made stupid by Islam. America has become a colored ribbon society, and we suffer as a result. We are weaker and more vulnerable in every sense because of the thorough-going integration of values and emotions.

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