June 27, 2013

Are Carbs Addictive? One Study Suggests They Might Be, for Some
— Ace

I think I post these just because it's kind of odd how vehement the reactions are sometimes -- the "Calories In Equal Calories Out" guys are pretty adamant that the human body is perfectly similar to a test tube and the effect of any food on the body can be determined simply by burning the food and measuring the heat output via a calorimeter.

Other people suspect that different food chemicals may have different effects on the complex system of glands that regulates the human metabolism, but we always but we'll be told we're wrong by the Calories In Calories Out guys.


Oh by the way:

1-Minute Muffin
1/4 cup Flax Meal (best with bleached almond flour, I think)
1/2 teaspoon Baking Powder
1 packet Splenda (Personally I like more)
few drops of vanilla extract
optional: dash of cinnamon
1 Egg
1 tablespoon Butter
I tablespoon of either sour cream or cream cheese (for heft and texture)
Other stuff for flavor, like low-carb chocolate chips or blueberries.


1.5 Carbs

Mix the dry ingredients in a large coffee cup. Add egg and pre-melted butter; mix well. Microwave for one minute, then another; you have to eye it to see when it's done. "Done" means it's risen and fallen and most liquid seems to have steamed off.

Let it cool and set for two minutes. Put butter on it.

It's not great, but if you miss bready things like muffins, it is reasonably close enough to a muffin to enjoy.

I haven't tried this in an oven. I imagine it would be better.


Damn: I know what I'm eatin' in like six minutes.

Posted by: Ace at 03:08 PM | Comments (275)
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1 I like my bread carby.

Posted by: loneduck at June 27, 2013 03:10 PM (trhwS)

2 I love carbs.  I will chose a fresh baked roll over chocolate any day.  That's why I try to avoid 'em.  I don't want to grow a neck roll.

Posted by: no good deed at June 27, 2013 03:11 PM (HhwaA)

3 Yeah.   This thread isn't going to be less yelly.


Can't we discuss something nice and calming and non-divisive, like how the Yankees are the spawn of Satan?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 03:12 PM (Gk3SS)

4 That explains why I can't stop at 12 beers.

Posted by: Creepy ass cracker at June 27, 2013 03:12 PM (CdRSJ)

5 Oh jeez, not this shit again.

Posted by: Your Mother at June 27, 2013 03:13 PM (/FnUH)

6 I fiddled with the MIM recipe and found a combo I like better: 1/4 cup flax meal 1/2 tsp baking powder 1 tbsp sugar free coffee syrup, whatever flavor you like (DaVinci Caramel is the best, IMO) 1 tbsp heavy cream 1 egg Comes out a heck of a lot fluffier this way. And I don't let mine set. I turn it out immediately or else it sticks something awful. Serve with butter and Walden Farms s/f pancake syrup.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 03:13 PM (qFpRI)

7 I need to lose a few. I just have to figure out how. I know that when I cut out carbs I drop weight fast like Sandra Flukes Panties falling to the floor.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 03:13 PM (jucos)

8 Any recipes for low-carb ass crackers?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 27, 2013 03:15 PM (XS/b3)

9 Oh, and I usually put 1/2 tsp ground cinnamon in it, too. Enhances the flavor with the caramel syrup. But you can omit it. The carb count on Fatsecret including the cinnamon is 1.7 net.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 03:15 PM (qFpRI)

10 I just try to stuff myself with a soup my wife makes It's nothing but water, tomatoes, celery, cabbage, onions, and green bell peppers (she adds salt to hers, but I pass on that). Not many calories, I don't feel hungry afterward, and easily keeps me regular as well.

Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 03:15 PM (+iA5G)

11 I do a version of this just about every other morning. I do use real maple syrup though.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 27, 2013 03:16 PM (X4HxX)

12 I made those several years ago when I got on an Atkins kick. They're a little on the dense side but filling. Sort of like the woman I was seeing at the time...

Posted by: Sir Robert of Banbury at June 27, 2013 03:16 PM (W0KUS)

13 weiner in weiner out...oh sorry wrong thread.

Posted by: Guido - at June 27, 2013 03:16 PM (8I9hB)

14 Are Carbs Addictive? Yeah, just like protein and fats. Kinda need it to stay alive. It's a food thing.

Posted by: YIKES! at June 27, 2013 03:16 PM (mETGQ)

15 Speaking from personal experience, carbs, specifically refined carbs, are addictive. Whole grain carbs... not so much.

Posted by: NJRob at June 27, 2013 03:16 PM (FVp26)

16 Isn't that a two-minute muffin?

Posted by: Boone at June 27, 2013 03:17 PM (P7hSe)

17 15 Speaking from personal experience, carbs, specifically refined carbs, are addictive. Whole grain carbs... not so much. Posted by: NJRob at June 27, 2013 08:16 PM (FVp26) Not so for me. All grains throw me off big time.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 03:18 PM (qFpRI)

18 Low carb, high protein, moderate fat diet. Buy a heavy punching bag and just beat the shit out of it for about 10-20 minutes (adjust for endurance levels) every other day. You'll lose weight.

Posted by: Adam at June 27, 2013 03:18 PM (Aif/5)

19 1 packet Splenda (Personally I like more) Use Stevia.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 27, 2013 03:18 PM (X6akg)

20 Salt is probably the worst addiction for me. Now, though, I use the substitute when eating at home, but the stuff I eat on the road is terribly salty.

Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 03:18 PM (+iA5G)

21 I use "golden" flax seed meal......tastes a little better.

Posted by: BignJames at June 27, 2013 03:19 PM (20Mmk)

22

Food is a drug... and different foods affect people different ways...

 

Ever see a MANLY Vegan?  You won't, because the Fat in Red Meat is one of the things that chemically changes into Testosterone.... (which is why I believe the US FDA says not to eat it.. they WANT a wimpy, easily controlled electorate)...

 

/takes the tinfoil off his Baked spud, sitting next to his Med Rare Steak, and makes a tinfoil hat out of it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 03:19 PM (lZBBB)

23 I vote for me.

Posted by: BAcon at June 27, 2013 03:19 PM (gWHwW)

24 Can't we just have the muffin tops? best part.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:19 PM (8I9hB)

25


Can't we discuss something nice and calming and non-divisive, like how the Yankees are the spawn of Satan?

 

Or how awesome spider are.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 27, 2013 03:19 PM (lr3d7)

26 Are we talking about Muffin Tops?

Posted by: Megaton McBoobs at June 27, 2013 03:19 PM (jucos)

27 20 Salt is probably the worst addiction for me. Now, though, I use the substitute when eating at home, but the stuff I eat on the road is terribly salty. Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 08:18 PM (+iA5G) Good news is there is very little to suggest that it's harmful. Doctor's just trying to make you eat different.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 27, 2013 03:19 PM (X4HxX)

28 If I'm going to whip up something fast in the morning, it's going to be this:


http://bit.ly/ciAu3A



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 03:19 PM (Gk3SS)

29 Ever see a MANLY Vegan? You won't, because the Fat in Red Meat is one of the things that chemically changes into Testosterone.... (which is why I believe the US FDA says not to eat it.. they WANT a wimpy, easily controlled electorate)... /takes the tinfoil off his Baked spud, sitting next to his Med Rare Steak, and makes a tinfoil hat out of it... Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 08:19 PM (lZBBB) --You shouldn't eat red meat every day, though. Kidney stones.

Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 03:20 PM (+iA5G)

30 I have far more control over alcohol consumption than I do over carb consumption, personally.

My carb binges are downright scary.  They make me understand what it would like to be an alcoholic.

It would suck tremendously--the combination of having zero willpower to resist the damn stuff, and the fact that alcohol further suppresses inhibitions and mental processes.  Talk about a vicious circle.

On a related note:  the Calories In=Calories Out guys are totally, utterly, completely full of shit, and should go pick up a good biochemistry book or three sometime, to find out why.

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 03:20 PM (7vimm)

31 I first read that as crabs and not carbs....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 27, 2013 03:20 PM (dV6An)

32 Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 08:19 PM (lZBBB) That is a good point. My FIL, many years back, decided to try to go vegetarian to "get healthy" and he ended up eating himself into diabetes.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 03:20 PM (qFpRI)

33 All grains and legumes throw me off Mandy. Sucks, but I am down 60 lbs and at a healthy weight now by avoiding them.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 27, 2013 03:20 PM (+TSDq)

34 31 I first read that as crabs and not carbs.... Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 27, 2013 08:20 PM (dV6An) Marylanders would say so... but I didn't grow up here.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 27, 2013 03:21 PM (X4HxX)

35 Hey You Guys..... Where is AtC?

Posted by: Clowns at June 27, 2013 03:21 PM (jucos)

36 Ace, I like how you smoothly transitioned from the fat girl post to a food post.

Posted by: Big Ben at June 27, 2013 03:21 PM (I5Htn)

37 And now I'm going to have a cookie....or 12.

Posted by: BignJames at June 27, 2013 03:21 PM (20Mmk)

38 Venison instead of store meat. Works at my house.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 03:22 PM (OFP0k)

39 I do tend to think carbs are addictive for those of us who have that addictive personality type, but wheat seems to be worse than other comparable carbs like sugar. My daughter has to be on a gluten-free (but not particularly low-carb) diet and her behavior around bready-type foods before we got her diagnosed took them away really did make her look like a tiny, cherubic junkie. I read somewhere that a chemical in wheat does actually have addictive properties, I think.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone, But Just A Little at June 27, 2013 03:23 PM (GmTxn)

40 --You shouldn't eat red meat every day, though. Kidney stones.

 

 

Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 08:20 PM (+iA5G)

 

 

54... hasn't happened yet... but I also do a 'Fast' every 6 months or so, with a LOT of Apple Juice and some Oxigenated colon cleanser stuff I found a few years back... Dr. at my Colonoscopy said I was almost too clean...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 03:23 PM (lZBBB)

41 33 All grains and legumes throw me off Mandy. Sucks, but I am down 60 lbs and at a healthy weight now by avoiding them. Posted by: NWConservative at June 27, 2013 08:20 PM (+TSDq) I avoid legumes as well, but that's mainly because I do Atkins and am not a the point where I can add those back in occasionally. But the good news is I manage to lose on the low carb diet. I never lost a damn pound on calories in- calories out. I thought I had a thyroid problem or something. Nope. It's the carbs.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 03:23 PM (qFpRI)

42 >>>I just try to stuff myself with a soup my wife makes It's nothing but water, tomatoes, celery, cabbage, onions, and green bell peppers (she adds salt to hers, but I pass on that). Not many calories, I don't feel hungry afterward, and easily keeps me regular as well.

Have you tried my recipe for Hot Ham Water? 

Posted by: Lindsay Bluth at June 27, 2013 03:23 PM (LCRYB)

43 I *live* on bread and powdered milk.
and sugar
without sugar I'd be dead.

But what difference does it make, in the end we're all dead.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 27, 2013 03:23 PM (6Lq1H)

44 28 If I'm going to whip up something fast in the morning, it's going to be this:   http://bit.ly/ciAu3A   

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 08:19 PM (Gk3SS)


I really want a brownie now ...  /sigh

Not a baking type, don't have any of the ingredients.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 27, 2013 03:23 PM (v3pYe)

45 i don't use splenda anymore....i'm on to raw stevia

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 27, 2013 03:23 PM (8JJ6O)

46 Salt is probably the worst addiction for me.

You might want to try sea salt, instead.  You might be trying to get a mineral that's not in table salt.

Posted by: t-bird at June 27, 2013 03:23 PM (WW/UE)

47 28 If I'm going to whip up something fast in the morning, it's going to be this:

http://bit.ly/ciAu3A

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 08:19 PM (Gk3SS) ----------------------

 

 

Mrs. Guido is going to so love you this weekend when I tell her why I made this for her.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:24 PM (8I9hB)

48 When I quit putting blow on my bread. Quitting cards was easy.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 03:24 PM (OFP0k)

49 There is nothing like MD Blue Crabs steamed in copious amounts of Old Bay served with several beers.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 03:24 PM (jucos)

50 Oooooh, Hot Ham Water, I looove Hot Ham Water.  It tastes like hot water with just a smack of ham.


Posted by: Byron "Buster" Bluth at June 27, 2013 03:24 PM (LCRYB)

51 Even if calories-in-vs.-calories out is accurate, it can't be the whole story- if you feel sluggish, you won't exercise much.  If you eat better you should feel better.



Anyway, protein and fiber (and I think also fat, but um yeah) help you feel full, but carbs don't.



For anyone seriously wanting to lose weight, I would suggest looking into Weight Watchers.  It's not for everyone (really, nothing is), but it does work pretty well.  If nothing else, it makes you think about what you're eating and if it's worth it or not.  I mean, before I started, I kinda knew that too many carbs were bad, but was totally unaware of how much was too much. 



One thing about WW, though, is that it's a business, so they make money off people who buy the books and devices but don't actually use them, as well as people who go to meetings but don't actually change their behaviors and thus don't lose any weight (or lose, and then gain it back because they revert to old habits).  Also, there is math involved, so it's cool for a dork like me, but like I say, not for everyone.

Posted by: Lance McCormick, trying not to be too preachy and failing at June 27, 2013 03:24 PM (HOx/h)

52

>>Are Carbs Addictive?

 

Oh, yeh.

 

Noticed it after Thanksgiving when I had carbs and leftover carbs for 3 days. Really wanted more!! for a few days.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Creepy Ass Gluten Free Tortilla at June 27, 2013 03:25 PM (SUKHu)

53 Not sure about the Spenda, Ace. I am a sugar girl.

I do think the bidness of addiction and the folderol about fructose may be onto something. When I cut back I can see results in the inches as well as the old facial glow without bloat. #sortofglutenfree glutton

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen of Crackas at June 27, 2013 03:25 PM (baL2B)

54 Ever see a MANLY Vegan? You won't, because the Fat in Red Meat is one of the things that chemically changes into Testosterone.... (which is why I believe the US FDA says not to eat it.. they WANT a wimpy, easily controlled electorate)... /takes the tinfoil off his Baked spud, sitting next to his Med Rare Steak, and makes a tinfoil hat out of it... Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 08:19 PM (lZBBB) Wonder how many vegans are true vegans. That type of diet can be a dangerous if you don't know what your doing.

Posted by: YIKES! at June 27, 2013 03:25 PM (mETGQ)

55 Or how awesome spider are. Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 27, 2013 08:19 PM (lr3d7)



Or how whippy this is - http://bit.ly/1cssXYW







Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 03:26 PM (Gk3SS)

56 My parents were drunks. Two of my three siblings are drunks. Alcohol is just sugar. If I have any sugar I will binge all damn day. When my dad quit drinking, he ate compulsively. I dont know if its a biological chemical trigger, or an addictive personality at work.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 03:26 PM (zOTsN)

57 OT but new Blue Bombers stadium looks sweet.

Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 03:26 PM (+iA5G)

58 Ace out-flanked us.

Posted by: Aggie Highway at June 27, 2013 03:26 PM (/djtm)

59 Hey TM,Mobile Bay crabs boiled in Zattteran's is good too...

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 03:27 PM (OFP0k)

60 Chips. the natural crispy kind. cannot have them in house or I'd be as big as one.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:27 PM (8I9hB)

61 54 Ever see a MANLY Vegan? ------------ Sure. Candy Crowley, and my aunt Sara.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone, But Just A Little at June 27, 2013 03:27 PM (GmTxn)

62 Um, so, uh, tags aren't needed anymore?

Posted by: Lance McCormick, failing again at June 27, 2013 03:27 PM (HOx/h)

63 did YOU know that MSG is derived from the WHEAT kernel?

Posted by: nutrition wing-plover [/i] [/b] at June 27, 2013 03:27 PM (XS/b3)

64

>>if you feel sluggish, you won't exercise much.

 

That's been the biggest difference for me. Don't know if it's the carbs or specifically lack of gluten, but I have a lot more energy.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Peppy Creepy Ass Gluten Free Tortilla at June 27, 2013 03:27 PM (SUKHu)

65 Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 08:23 PM (qFpRI) I feel great when I don't eat them. Making coconut flour pancakes tomorrow. Very tasty and keeps me full all day.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 27, 2013 03:28 PM (+TSDq)

66 >>>My carb binges are downright scary.

every once in a while I say "Fuck it" and buy a tube of Pringles and they are gone in an hour.


Potato chips are like crack.

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 03:28 PM (LCRYB)

67

http://bit.ly/1cssXYW

 

Yeah, kind of turned on now.  Will mistress be wearing the stompy boots?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 27, 2013 03:29 PM (lr3d7)

68 I know what you did Ace. And you could have gotten the same effect with a post about any version of alcohol or pot. But choosing carbohydrates does prove a point, yeah?

Posted by: Jack at June 27, 2013 03:29 PM (gWHwW)

69 I think that carb sensitivity is highly variable.  My wife, for instance, could live on a diet of carbohydrates alone, I think, which would easily bloat me to 300 lbs.+ before it kills me from a heart attack.

On the other hand, if I eat much more than maybe 60-80 g of carbs in a day, I'm going to gain weight.  That's not a lot of carbs.

In other words, the USDA wants to kill me.

There is no one-size-fits-all diet.  People's genetics have a huge impact on their "most healthy" diet, IMHO.

Another reason why our benevolent and loving federal government can not be trusted with the power that all too many people seem hell-bent on bestowing upon it.

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 03:29 PM (7vimm)

70 I don't exercise because I come home and tell myself, "I'll just check AoSHQ really quick before I go for my run..."

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 27, 2013 03:30 PM (lr3d7)

71 Best Blues I ever had were Carolina Mud Crabs. Took Jumbo to a whole 'nother level. I think I puked that night when I got home. I was bloated like a tick.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 03:30 PM (jucos)

72 46 Salt is probably the worst addiction for me. You might want to try sea salt, instead. You might be trying to get a mineral that's not in table salt Salt is salt. NaCl Where's chemjeff?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at June 27, 2013 03:30 PM (/djtm)

73 Ever see a MANLY Vegan?

I'm a strict vegan- that's all I eat is vegan animals- and I look pretty normal.

Posted by: t-bird at June 27, 2013 03:30 PM (WW/UE)

74 Stevia is much better than Splenda.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 03:30 PM (zOTsN)

75 Wonder how many vegans are true vegans. That type of diet can be a dangerous if you don't know what your doing. Posted by: YIKES! at June 27, 2013 08:25 PM (mETGQ) --Only one I know of is Tony Gonzalez, future Hall of Famer tight end. A few years ago he went vegan after a couple of years being vegetarian. He's pretty serious about it, but of course as a pro athlete he has access to a lot of nutrition specialists who can help him plan meals and not be down on a game day.

Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 03:30 PM (+iA5G)

76 Cracka - Carbs.....

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 03:30 PM (OFP0k)

77 Ace, Pringels aren't fucking potato chips. they are cardboard, but I think that's still a carb.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:30 PM (8I9hB)

78 every once in a while I say "Fuck it" and buy a tube of Pringles and they are gone in an hour.

You can make one last an entire hour?

I am SERIOUSLY impressed.

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 03:30 PM (7vimm)

79 Posted by: NWConservative at June 27, 2013 08:28 PM (+TSDq) I love coconut flour pancakes! The other neat thing about low carbing is I've found a lot of substitutes and such that I would have never tried otherwise. Coconut flour and flax meal being two of them. Coconut oil, too.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 03:31 PM (qFpRI)

80 Are we going to be stuck on a food thread until the ONT? I want my Platinum Membership money back.

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 03:31 PM (sdi6R)

81 What is the sound of a million vegetarians beating off?

Man's Tick Bite Causes Potentially-Deadly Allergic Reaction To Meat

This would suck mightily. I think I'd have to move to a seafood-rich area and fish all day if I caught that horrid thing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 27, 2013 03:31 PM (XS/b3)

82 Potato chips are like crack. Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 08:28 PM (LCRYB) ------------------------------------------------------- Pringles are NOT potato chips. Utz Salt and Vinegar chips cannot be beat.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 03:31 PM (jucos)

83 I went low carb for almost a year, lost some weight but then I got such a jones  for blueberry muffins..still haven't recovered from that.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate (of the North) at June 27, 2013 03:31 PM (9yexh)

84 Cracker Ass Crackers are low carb

Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 03:32 PM (zOTsN)

85 Pizza will be here in about 5 minutes. I'll test it out and publish the results.

Posted by: Fact Guy at June 27, 2013 03:32 PM (r98SZ)

86 >>>Salt is salt. NaCl

jeeze.  Table Salt is table salt but when she says "sea salt" she means ALL the various ions that are left when you dry away sea water, which may include lots of trace minerals.

She's suggesting the body is craving salt because it associates it with a trace mineral the body wants but because the person is eating pure table salt he's not getting it.

Jeeze.  It's such a weird subject, nutrition.  It's like one of those things everyone knows about (because we all eat, so we're all "experts").


Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 03:32 PM (LCRYB)

87 Stay away from the Purple Drank!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 27, 2013 03:32 PM (V1ZIU)

88 Salt is salt. NaCl

No, NaCl is sodium chloride, or table salt.  Sea salt is a zillion things, though mostly NaCl.

Posted by: t-bird at June 27, 2013 03:32 PM (WW/UE)

89

Speaking of addictions, I can't decide if this site is like crack or like two big plump soft boobies that I must push my head between.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:32 PM (8I9hB)

90 >>>You can make one last an entire hour?

maybe half an hour.  I didn't want to sound like a glutton.

Pringles and a big old glass of cold milk. 

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 03:33 PM (LCRYB)

91 Wonder how many vegans are true vegans. That type of diet can be a dangerous if you don't know what your doing. Posted by: YIKES! at June 27, 2013 08:25 PM (mETGQ) It can be dangerous even if you do know what you're doing. This woman was a die hard vegan. Ran a vegan website....until her doctor told her it was killing her. Her story is interesting and, of course, after she told it on her website, she got all sorts of hate mail. I think she eventually took her site down. http://tinyurl.com/3y89gz4

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 27, 2013 03:33 PM (X6akg)

92 74 Stevia is much better than Splenda. Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 08:30 PM (zOTsN) I've switched over to Stevia, but I use the liquid stuff. The powder has 1 carb per serving because of what they put in it to keep it powdered and preserved.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 03:33 PM (qFpRI)

93 Look out for milk sugar too

Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 03:33 PM (zOTsN)

94 I love coconut flour pancakes! The other neat thing about low carbing is I've found a lot of substitutes and such that I would have never tried otherwise. Coconut flour and flax meal being two of them. Coconut oil, too. Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 08:31 PM (qFpRI) I love alternative low carb flours/ meals for the express reason that they keep me full. If I am full, I don't freaking snack,. Which I do a lot of when I'm bored.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 27, 2013 03:33 PM (+TSDq)

95 Do we get points if we confess to an ice cream addiction? The premium, high fat kind?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 27, 2013 03:34 PM (6Lq1H)

96 Pringles are NOT potato chips. Utz Salt and Vinegar chips cannot be beat.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 08:31 PM (jucos)


Imma let you finish, but Snyder's of Berlin Maui Onion are the greatest potato chips of all time.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at June 27, 2013 03:34 PM (aozUR)

97 Cracker Ass Crackers are made of apples.

Well, mostly apples.

Posted by: Terry Pratchett at June 27, 2013 03:34 PM (7vimm)

98 Biology, not my bag, but I've always suspected that the burning and measuring the heat output via a calorimeter wasn't exactly applicable to ethanol.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 27, 2013 03:34 PM (kxSZr)

99 92 74 Stevia is much better than Splenda. -------- How about Salvia?

Posted by: Miley at June 27, 2013 03:34 PM (Aif/5)

100 Mmmmmm.... Buttermilk and Saurkraut.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 03:35 PM (jucos)

101 many cravings may be due to the body's desire for a certain trace mineral or type of oil or what not.  These impulses get interpreted as a desire for whatever sort of food (pregnant women with anchovies, for example).


Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 03:35 PM (LCRYB)

102 82 Utz Salt and Vinegar chips cannot be beat. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 08:31 PM (jucos) Gibbles potato chips cooked in lard are the absolute best. They are actually lighter, dryer, and more delicate than chips cooked in vegetable oil. I don't know what happened to them. Just as I became a convert to them, they disappeared. I can't find them anywhere now.

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 03:35 PM (sdi6R)

103 carbs are indeed crazy addictive. I have seen people jump fences and even violate properties in the middle of the night in the rain to get a handful of colored sugar. I nearly beat some cracker who tried to jack me for my carbs. nearly got cracker jacked.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:35 PM (Z9EHQ)

104 Alcohol is metabolized sugar. Ask any aerobe you happen to see, what's the best C-food? C12H22O11

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 27, 2013 03:35 PM (HsTG8)

105 Zap's chip out of NOLA are good

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 03:36 PM (OFP0k)

106  Utz Salt and Vinegar chips cannot be beat.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 08:31 PM (jucos) -----

 

 

seriously? Vinegar? why would you want to douche a good chip?

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:36 PM (8I9hB)

107 >>>Do we get points if we confess to an ice cream addiction? The premium, high fat kind?

not really because you can have all of that on Atkins   As long as it's made with heavy cream and a non-sugar sweetener.


Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 03:36 PM (LCRYB)

108 maybe half an hour. I didn't want to sound like a glutton.

Heh.  Indeed.

Pringles and a big old glass of cold milk.

OK, that's just wrong.  The proper pairing for a can of Pringles is a six-pack of any of the various nondescript American light beers.

Posted by: Terry Pratchett at June 27, 2013 03:36 PM (7vimm)

109 Terry, damnit, I've told you before, get out of my sock!

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 03:37 PM (7vimm)

110 Crawfish and Jalapeño

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 03:37 PM (OFP0k)

111 Speaking of addictions, I can't decide if this site is like crack or like two big plump soft boobies that I must push my head between. Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 08:32 PM (8I9hB)


I was unaware that doing b was not also like a.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 03:37 PM (Gk3SS)

112 Salt is probably the worst addiction for me. You might want to try sea salt, instead. You might be trying to get a mineral that's not in table salt Salt is salt. NaCl Where's chemjeff? Posted by: Golfman in NC at June 27, 2013 08:30 PM (/djtm) I rarely add salt my food. It's got to the point were I cannot eat at a Chile's type restaurant because the food is so salty it might as well be a salt block.

Posted by: YIKES! at June 27, 2013 03:37 PM (mETGQ)

113 Imma let you finish, but Snyder's of Berlin Maui Onion are the greatest potato chips of all time. Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at June 27, 2013 08:34 PM (aozUR) Where do you get those? Problem with chips is a lot of brands are only available regionally.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 27, 2013 03:37 PM (V1ZIU)

114 nearly got cracker jacked. Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 08:35 PM (Z9EHQ) you win the internetz

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 27, 2013 03:37 PM (8JJ6O)

115 Hey Rickl. I can still get Gibbles here in MD. I find them too greasy. They hit your gut like a sledgehammer. Where do you want me to ship them?

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 03:38 PM (jucos)

116 I read that as nipples. Help me Lord

Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 03:38 PM (zOTsN)

117 man I cold use a scotch.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:38 PM (Z9EHQ)

118 24 Can't we just have the muffin tops? best part.

http://www.leggomyeggo.com/minimuffin/minimuffin-blueberry

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at June 27, 2013 03:38 PM (U82Km)

119 >>> Other people suspect that different food chemicals may have different effects on the complex system of glands that regulates the human metabolism, but we always but we'll be told we're wrong by the Calories In Calories Out guys. "All other things being equal" Which they aren't. Fat calories stick with me. After a can of sardines, I feel a small glow. When I eat carbs, my furnace scorches through it and I want more, quickly. I am not a lab animal. I can go out and get more pellets. With low-carb, I don't get as much white knuckle when I cut down my calories.

Posted by: fluffy is less fluffy this year at June 27, 2013 03:38 PM (nIAoK)

120 saaaaalt mmmmmmmmm........

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:38 PM (8I9hB)

121 Phoenixgirl!

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:39 PM (Z9EHQ)

122 Fried soft shell crabs.  Or crabs in Zattaran crab-boil.  Or crawfish.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 27, 2013 03:39 PM (dV6An)

123 (((yankee))) how are you and the family?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 27, 2013 03:40 PM (8JJ6O)

124 I was unaware that doing b was not also like a.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 08:37 PM (Gk3SS)

 

 

well I'll be....so it is. Sooo it is....

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:40 PM (8I9hB)

125 Wow. A reply from Ace! It included 2 jeez's but... I'll be up all night trying to figure out the tinyurl.com thingy for my response to the different salts. Reaching far out for one of my friends whack-out analogies I'll try... Maybe they like rock salt for the crunch.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at June 27, 2013 03:40 PM (/djtm)

126 122. Winner, spider PO boy

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 03:40 PM (OFP0k)

127 If I am addicted to anything it is carbs. I really like carbs, especially bread; toasted, plain, covered in sauces, gravies, however is fine.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:40 PM (Z9EHQ)

128 It started as an innocent effort to BBQ that which is haraam.  Now it's a full blown pork addiction. 

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 27, 2013 03:40 PM (kxSZr)

129 120 saaaaalt mmmmmmmmm........ Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 08:38 PM (8I9hB) I notice your percentage of hate slowly climbing. Remind me to wear my kevlar pajamas when it hits 100%.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 27, 2013 03:41 PM (V1ZIU)

130 115 Hey Rickl. I can still get Gibbles here in MD. I find them too greasy. They hit your gut like a sledgehammer. Where do you want me to ship them? Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 08:38 PM (jucos) I live in PA. They're actually made here, and all of a sudden they disappeared from my area. I actually thought they were less greasy than vegetable oil chips, and I was amazed at that.

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 03:41 PM (sdi6R)

131 The anti-carb nuts are the most annoying. Atkins! Paleo! What did cavemen eat!?

Posted by: ElKomandante at June 27, 2013 03:41 PM (wCMPL)

132 how are you and the family? Posted by: phoenixgirl hot and wet; only from the heat and humidity. How are you and yours?

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:41 PM (Z9EHQ)

133 man I cold use a scotch. Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 08:38 PM (Z9EHQ)


*A* scotch?


I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 03:41 PM (Gk3SS)

134 Zapp's cajun-fried crawtaters are a great snack.

Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 03:41 PM (+iA5G)

135 77 Ace, Pringels aren't fucking potato chips. they are cardboard, but I think that's still a carb.

Could be worse. Could be Munchos, which are like dried, salted potato foam.

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at June 27, 2013 03:42 PM (U82Km)

136 I agree w/Tami on Stevia and can recommend Truvia packets and Zevia soda (it's expensive, so get it on sale and use coupons).  I'm reading that Stevia with erythritol work better than other artificial sweeteners for weight loss.  Going low carb has helped me drop 50 lbs so far - about 3 lbs a week for a good 3-4 months before I leveled out.

Posted by: PDX Lurker at June 27, 2013 03:42 PM (sJfMO)

137 Hubby loves bugles

Posted by: Thunderb at June 27, 2013 03:42 PM (zOTsN)

138 Anyone tried Pop Chips? Not bad but the BBQ ones get icky real fast. The salt and pepper are the best.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 27, 2013 03:42 PM (V1ZIU)

139 I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch I am willing to do whatever is necessary to demonstrate my commitment to scotch.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:42 PM (Z9EHQ)

140 C12H22O11

 

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 27, 2013 08:35 PM (HsTG

 

C2H5OH... if'n I remember correctly from the alcohol cooled Nuclear Reactor we tried to theorize in Navy Nuc School.... LOL...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2013 03:43 PM (lZBBB)

141 >>> What did cavemen eat!? Anything they could.

Posted by: fluffy, Paleolithic asshole at June 27, 2013 03:43 PM (nIAoK)

142 "One thing about WW, though, is that it's a business...Also, there is math involved, so it's cool for a dork like me, but like I say, not for everyone."

Posted by: Lance McCormick

Agreed. WW helped me lose 80 lbs. and counting. Totally changed my life. If you have to account for everything you eat, it actually makes it easier to decide if it's worth eating or not. Most of the time, my answer is "nope".

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at June 27, 2013 03:43 PM (d6TfZ)

143 yankee haha 109 here...but it's a dry heat family is good....keeping me busy

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 27, 2013 03:44 PM (8JJ6O)

144 A lot of Potato Chips made along that Route 30 corridor from Hanover over to York. Snyders of Berlin. Gibbles, UTZ, Frito Lay has a plant outside of York. Potato Chip heaven.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 03:44 PM (jucos)

145 131 The anti-carb nuts are the most annoying. Atkins! Paleo! What did cavemen eat!? Posted by: ElKomandante at June 27, 2013 08:41 PM (wCMPL) Certainly not farmed foods. Meat and berries and root vegetables/ mushrooms.

Posted by: NWConservative at June 27, 2013 03:44 PM (+TSDq)

146 One of my favorite internet-surfin' snacks is Fritos dipped in peanut butter. You have to get the Fritos Scoops. The regular ones aren't strong enough.

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 03:44 PM (sdi6R)

147 122 Fried soft shell crabs. Or crabs in Zattaran crab-boil. Or crawfish. 
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 27, 2013 08:39 PM (dV6An)


Big fan of crabs, eh? 

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 27, 2013 03:44 PM (v3pYe)

148 I have not entered a 7-11 in decades but they are opening several up in nyc. I walked in and noticed it is pretty much the hall of obesity. carbs and fat, hot or cold. apparently they have something called "corn dog bites" sounds good, not ever going to know one way or another.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:45 PM (Z9EHQ)

149 "I know what I'm going to be eatin' in like six minutes."

Yeah, enjoy the cardboard with hint of chocolate taste.

Also, carbs are not the issue. Everything is about calories and specifically getting enough calories so as to not put your body into 'starvation' mode. Check out "Burn the fat, Feed the muscle" by Tom Venuto. It will demonstrate provably how you need to be eating more calories than you think you do, and that you will lose weight doing so.

Yeah, I was skeptical too when my wife said she was going to try it six months ago.

She's lost 40 pounds...and eats all day.

I have to maintain 2700 calorie intake per day (which I initially thought was insane, and it's much harder to do than you might think). Lost five pounds in two weeks...and I'm practically eating all day (and I'm not limited in what foods I eat).

No, I have no financial interest in the program, and no, it's not a diet, it's a lifestyle change...in case you're interested.

Posted by: SGT. York at June 27, 2013 03:45 PM (X1kG8)

150

I KNOW I'm addicted to carbs. 

Proof?

When I have 2 eggs and a Morningstar veggie sausage for breakfast, it lasts me all morning.

 

If I crack open a box of cereal, I will eat half of it at one sitting, and pour a ton of sugar on it. And still feel like I could eat more.   

Posted by: Marybeth at June 27, 2013 03:45 PM (zFUKI)

151 family is good....keeping me busy Posted by: phoenixgirl I am glad all is well.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:46 PM (Z9EHQ)

152 It's the wheat that's the problem. I lost 40 lbs in 4 months. Get the book "Wheat Belly" by William Davis, MD. I eat proteins, veggies, salads and some fruit and nuts. No bread, no pasta no cereal, no crackers. I no longer have cravings or blood sugar drops. I managed to keep it off 6 months now. My hubbie did the same after learning his glucose was damn near diabetic range. He lost 35 lbs pretty fast as well.

Posted by: Magnolia at June 27, 2013 03:46 PM (Q8MKf)

153 I notice your percentage of hate slowly climbing.

Remind me to wear my kevlar pajamas when it hits 100%.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 27, 2013 08:41 PM (V1ZIU) ------

 

 

Thank God coming here is so tranquil..serenity now serenity nooow....

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:46 PM (8I9hB)

154

131 The anti-carb nuts are the most annoying. Atkins! Paleo! What did cavemen eat!?

 


Posted by: ElKomandante at June 27, 2013 08:41 PM (wCMPL)

 

 

Anything we could find!... it was TOUGH back then...

Posted by: Captain CAVEMAN! at June 27, 2013 03:46 PM (lZBBB)

155 144 A lot of Potato Chips made along that Route 30 corridor from Hanover over to York. Snyders of Berlin. Gibbles, UTZ, Frito Lay has a plant outside of York. Potato Chip heaven. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 27, 2013 08:44 PM (jucos) Back when I still had TV, I saw a show about potato chips that said that Pennsylvania is the potato chip capital of the world.

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 03:46 PM (sdi6R)

156 Certainly not farmed foods. Meat and berries and root vegetables/ mushrooms.

Posted by: NWConservative


And bugs. Lots and lots of bugs.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 27, 2013 03:46 PM (XS/b3)

157 One of my favorite internet-surfin' snacks is Fritos dipped in peanut butter. You have to get the Fritos Scoops. The regular ones aren't strong enough. Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 08:44 PM (sdi6R)


There have been times when the only thing that kept me from going on a multi-state spree was chocolate covered potato chips.   Crunchy salty chocolate carb.    Mmmmm.  

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 03:46 PM (Gk3SS)

158 I'm at one of those militant Lutheran gatherings and no one brought a racist jello mold. I'm so disappointed. This is my first event and expectations were very high.

Posted by: lindafell at June 27, 2013 03:47 PM (j2X6g)

159 The big problem with carbs (for me) is that they are convenient.  I can shove a bagel or muffin in my sweatshirt pocket as I run out the door.  A salmon steak or chicken breast (even if cooked) tends not to work out so well.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 27, 2013 03:47 PM (ymovd)

160
Chips are awful for you.

Those cute little Table Talk pies that you can buy 2/$1: awful for you.

Drake's fruit pies, Hostess fruit pies: Awful.

Cheese: Awful.

Wonder bread: Awful.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 27, 2013 03:47 PM (8dspl)

161

Does the caveman diet include the requisite intestinal parasites and periods of starvation as well?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at June 27, 2013 03:47 PM (lr3d7)

162 Heh on the salt is salt thing.  Electrolytes mixes have sodium chloride, + potassium chloride + some kind of soluble calcium.  Often not chloride because too much Cl messes up the ion balance.    Ever eat olives or pickles on a hot day when you have cotton mouth?   Or just drink the juice?   They are pickled with calcium salt as well as sodium and your body likes getting both kinds of salts.    Also V-8 has better electrolytes percentages then gator-ade and tastes better too.  I  use electrolyte powder and mix my own drinks so I can get what I want, sometimes I just use unsweetened iced tea. 

Posted by: palerider at June 27, 2013 03:47 PM (dkExz)

163 146 One of my favorite internet-surfin' snacks is Fritos dipped in peanut butter. You have to get the Fritos Scoops. The regular ones aren't strong enough. Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 08:44 PM (sdi6R) --I just like the chili cheese Fritos. They don't make barbecue flavor anymore, alas, although I think each summer they put out the Flamin' Hot flavor, which I like as well. I discovered a great weight-loss food for me personally a few years ago: the Fiery Habanero Doritos. Alas, I have not seen them around the past few years. They were great because the spice seemed to curb my appetite, so sometimes just half a bag would serve as a midday meal until supper.

Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 03:47 PM (+iA5G)

164 Ever see a MANLY Vegan?

****

Yes, he had a pony tail, tie dye socks and a fanny pack and everything.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 27, 2013 03:48 PM (SkyIE)

165 Lots and lots of bugs.

The cavemen in Texas surely had an obesity problem.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 27, 2013 03:48 PM (kxSZr)

166 yes, the body is battery for calories, perfectly expressed in fat. What idiots. Carbs are addictive, mainly the fructose variety which does not satiate you.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 03:48 PM (ERPCd)

167 159 The big problem with carbs (for me) is that they are convenient. I can shove a bagel or muffin in my sweatshirt pocket as I run out the door. A salmon steak or chicken breast (even if cooked) tends not to work out so well.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 27, 2013 08:47 PM (ymovd)

 

one word Beef Jerky...wait...

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:49 PM (8I9hB)

168 If you don't think carbs are addictive, put some muffins, donuts, candy, whatever as long as it's sugary, in the office break room, send out an email, and watch the ensuing stampede and slaughter.

Posted by: brak at June 27, 2013 03:49 PM (RBQss)

169 I know I can get a real craving for carbs if I stay on strict high-protein for more than a couple of days. I have to add back in a little to keep myself from eating a whole loaf of bread in one sitting.

Posted by: Socratease at June 27, 2013 03:49 PM (3V4IJ)

170 jeeze. Table Salt is table salt but when she says "sea salt" she means ALL the various ions that are left when you dry away sea water, which may include lots of trace minerals. Correct, per this from the Mayo Clinic - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sea-salt/AN01142

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 27, 2013 03:49 PM (HsTG8)

171 Are Carbs Addictive?


****

That's real retarded, sir!

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 27, 2013 03:50 PM (SkyIE)

172 one of my greatest ever culinary disappointments was a frito pie. I had heard how they were something deciciously decadent, not so much, really kinda greasy, not anything else. mind you I like grease - at the dinner table and in the bedroom.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:50 PM (Z9EHQ)

173 I was gonna comment, but when it gets right down to it...I got muffin'.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 03:50 PM (mvenn)

174 Posted by: Magnolia at June 27, 2013 08:46 PM (Q8MKf) I read Wheat Belly several months ago. Once I get to the last transition phase on Atkins I plan on migrating to the Wheat Belly style for long-term maintenance. Atkins is Wheat Belly compatible, there is just less of a variety on Atkins than WB.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at June 27, 2013 03:50 PM (qFpRI)

175 Posted by: SGT. York at June 27, 2013 08:45 PM (X1kG Tom Venuto is a well respected guy in the fitness and nutrition industries. Dr. Berardi is another.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 27, 2013 03:50 PM (X6akg)

176 By going through an induction period and changing my diet, I have altered my metabolism from carb-burning to fat burning. When I go for long hikes on Sunday, I don't have to snack as much and my endurance is better than before. Mondays I am in a huge calorie deficit, but my furnace is stoked up so high that I barely feel the need to eat. Sardine?

Posted by: fluffy at June 27, 2013 03:51 PM (nIAoK)

177 Stevia tastes like ass to me. I buy liquid Splenda instead and use that. You do have to adjust for the gin you're using, though -- Hendricks requires a touch less than most of the others. Oh, wait, were we talking about food?

I'm going to try Ace's recipe, or something close. I bought a bag of almond 'flour' and it's just sitting there, mocking me.

Posted by: Splunge at June 27, 2013 03:51 PM (bKA83)

178 Sounds like someone had a frito pie with wolf chili, or something even worse.  It's good if done right.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 27, 2013 03:51 PM (kxSZr)

179 Wheat Belly! I lost 20 lbs - gave up milk and bread - It works and you never have that mid afternoon slump!

Posted by: Janetoo at June 27, 2013 03:52 PM (DVU82)

180
Did you notice Tom Cruise in Jack Reacher? He can't seem to get rid of his distended Capt Kirk belly.


Posted by: soothsayer at June 27, 2013 03:52 PM (052zE)

181 I have not problem going all carbs or all protein as far as diets go but I have found I am better off if I have some of both, weighted towards protein.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:52 PM (Z9EHQ)

182 Did we exhaust all the third-grader comic possibilities of "ass cracker" in the last thread?

Just wondering.

Sir.

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 03:52 PM (7vimm)

183 >>> And bugs. Lots and lots of bugs Mmm! Slugs and grubs.

Posted by: fluffy at June 27, 2013 03:52 PM (nIAoK)

184 So I'm sitting here at Perkins and all this talk about carbs is making me want a slice of pie...


Posted by: chemjeff at June 27, 2013 03:52 PM (9aW7x)

185 I highly recommend Stacy's Simply Naked Pita Chips. Big bag at Sam's or Costco. Warning: they start tasting even better after eating about eight of them.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at June 27, 2013 03:53 PM (Sptt8)

186 Sounds like someone had a frito pie with wolf chili, or something even worse. It's good if done right. Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 27, 2013 08:51 PM (kxSZr) I am more than willing to try again.

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 03:53 PM (Z9EHQ)

187

Most table salt also has added iodine, an essential nutrient that helps maintain a healthy thyroid.

 

 

Suck it,  salt h8ters.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:54 PM (8I9hB)

188 Ur-Muldoons in the paleolithic era ate mastodon jerky.   And even way back then we were   a group of fat asses.  So there's that.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 03:55 PM (mvenn)

189 107 >>>Do we get points if we confess to an ice cream addiction? The premium, high fat kind?

not really because you can have all of that on Atkins As long as it's made with heavy cream and a non-sugar sweetener.


The Breyer's low carb Chocolate is not half bad. But the Vanilla exposes all of the scaffolding, and should be avoided like a witness who can't read her own letter.

Posted by: Splunge at June 27, 2013 03:55 PM (bKA83)

190 I'm excited about the new stadium opening, but kinda silly for them to be using the '90s Bulls intro music.

Posted by: logprof at June 27, 2013 03:56 PM (+iA5G)

191

Haven't read the comments. Splenda is poison.

Posted by: Warden at June 27, 2013 03:56 PM (HzhBE)

192 I highly recommend Stacy's Simply Naked Pita Chips. Big bag at Sam's or Costco. Warning: they start tasting even better after eating about eight of them. 

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at June 27, 2013 08:53 PM (Sptt


Forget stopping if you have hummus to go with 'em.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 27, 2013 03:56 PM (sGtp+)

193 Well, it's been fun, but I have to go rustle up some dinner and then settle in to researching the lack of morals and whereabouts of some of my filthy Scandi ancestors.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 27, 2013 03:56 PM (HsTG8)

194 Carbs were a big part of our ancestors' diet for several really good reasons.

They're cheap and filling, and loaded with energy. Also, they keep well without refrigeration.

Those aren't really a concern anymore for most Americans, though.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at June 27, 2013 03:57 PM (LScnt)

195 quick heads up on recent science: all your artificial sweetners have high glycemic index. So that spleda? Yea, it's gonna make you fatter than if you just used sugar.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 03:57 PM (ERPCd)

196 Dammit, it's 8PM, can't start a loaf of bread now, I'd be eating it at 3AM.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 27, 2013 03:58 PM (kxSZr)

197 For some, artificial sweeteners can trigger insulin production. Insulin makes you store fat. Another dieting pitfall.

Posted by: fluffy at June 27, 2013 03:58 PM (nIAoK)

198 Ooops. Got the salt thing going. The context was table and seasoning salt. Whether sea kosher or whatever. Meanwhile, I'll be looking for calcium salt at my grocer. We can go to salts. Fertilizers are salts. I ain't putting it on my meals. But we're cool all.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at June 27, 2013 03:59 PM (/djtm)

199 168 If you don't think carbs are addictive, put some muffins, donuts, candy, whatever as long as it's sugary, in the office break room, send out an email, and watch the ensuing stampede and slaughter.

Posted by: brak at June 27, 2013 08:49 PM (RBQss)

 

*****

 

Heh.  We had an ice cream with toppings event at our office one day and sent out a departmental mass e-mail that touted "Ice cream and toppings in the 6th floor break room  at two o'clock."   There was a near riot  on the sixth floor  at the main office when they finally figured out we were in a branch office some 250 miles away.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 03:59 PM (mvenn)

200 There's so much that goes into why individuals weigh what they do that it's up to the individual to puzzle out exactly what it is that causes them problems and what they can do to have the most impact.

I know I'm extremely carb sensitive and, as others have noted in the thread, I'm a lot more prone to overeat on carb-heavy savory things (pizza is my nemesis, so I never, ever order it) than on sweet things.

I did hard core no carb for most of a year, and while I did lose about 20 pounds I also ran into problems with my cholesterol shooting through the roof. So then I panicked and decided I needed to get my cholesterol back down as my number one priority and went vegan for six months. Cholesterol went down, gained 30 pounds.

While I was doing the no carb thing, I was losing weight and actually felt like I needed less sleep, but I also felt like I was sorely lacking in energy, so exercise just wasn't happening. On the vegan diet, I had plenty of exercise and actually felt very rested and maybe even calmer and more collected, but I packed on weight like nobody's business.

So now I'm trying a low carb (not no carb) and low cholesterol diet with 'good' fats. Also trying to pick up the exercise even more, since no matter how healthy an eater I am (and it's always been healthy, it's how I was raised), I've just really got to watch the waistline.

Posted by: Damasca at June 27, 2013 03:59 PM (zf5Ur)

201 188 Ur-Muldoons in the paleolithic era ate mastodon jerky. Andeven way back then we were a group of fat asses. So there's that.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 08:55 PM (mvenn) ---------

 

 

 Love when ,rons share the family history. The Guidos came in contact  carbs way back in preRomsn times. when huts made of wheat were burned in a savage pillaging spree and someone said "atsa smella niice". we've been struggling ever since.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 03:59 PM (8I9hB)

202 So, the Navy news desk has sent Cap'n Crunch's name to NCIS to look and see if the offense of impersonating a naval officer has been committed. This is perfectly understandable. I mean, anyone could see why the PAO community wouldn't want competition.

Posted by: T. Leonidas at June 27, 2013 03:59 PM (ttnbL)

203 Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 08:54 PM (8I9hB) Reminds me of a line from "Bored of the Rings" about boggies (i.e. hobbits) "raising yaws and goiters for the river trade."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars[/b][/i][/s] at June 27, 2013 03:59 PM (HsTG8)

204 195 quick heads up on recent science: all your artificial sweetners have high glycemic index. So that spleda? Yea, it's gonna make you fatter than if you just used sugar.

Wait. Splenda has a higher glycemic index than sugar? Next you'll tell me it has to be metabolized by the liver, like half of the sugar molecule. Science. What can it not do?

Posted by: Splunge at June 27, 2013 04:00 PM (bKA83)

205 Most of the commercial stevia is made from the whole plant (which includes some bitter parts). I always thought it had a strange after taste. I found this one that only uses the sweet part of the plant. Tad expensive but much better tasting. http://tinyurl.com/pudo4sk

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 27, 2013 04:00 PM (X6akg)

206 that's right fluffy. One exception may be asparatame because it's a protein not a orc-carb.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 04:00 PM (ERPCd)

207 * Heh. We had an ice cream with toppings event at our office one day and sent out a departmental mass e-mail that touted "Ice cream and toppings in the 6th floor break room at two o'clock." There was a near riot on the sixth floor at the main office when they finally figured out we were in a branch office some 250 miles away. Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 08:59 PM (mvenn) And then there's Pretzel Day.

Posted by: Staney Hudson at June 27, 2013 04:00 PM (+iA5G)

208 Other people suspect that different food chemicals may have different effects on the complex system of glands that regulates the human metabolism --- There's no doubt proteins, carbohydrates, and fats are metabolized differently. But carbs are not poison, which is what I find some folks seem to want to (need to) believe.

Posted by: Y-not is still bitter at June 27, 2013 04:01 PM (5H6zj)

209 I tried low carb, but didn't like the passing out, muscle tears, halted weight loss, weakness,  and exhaustion. I did a bunch of research on my own and added "safe starches" back in as per "Perfect Health Diet". I have now lost 65lbs, allergies have cleared up, and I haven't felt this good in about 15 years. I think zero carb works because it cuts out beans, grains, and most sources of polyunsaturated fats. For me, LOW carb with tubers and ruthlessly cutting polyunsaturated fats (including nuts and pork and poultry fat) works a lot better. The research is out there to support this style of eating. I am convinced the government is trying to keep the population sick and tractable.

Posted by: Lando at June 27, 2013 04:01 PM (NsNEn)

210 good question, doubter. Your liver has the same sort of sugar detectors your taste buds do. They taste your splenda and release insulin.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 04:01 PM (ERPCd)

211 so, I am not entirely sure how this works. Paula Deen uses the n word and is kicked out of everything by everyone, except her book from the nyt's bestseller lists. obama's look a like attacks a guy after profiling him as a cracker and calling him the n word and nothing happens?

Posted by: yankeefifth at June 27, 2013 04:01 PM (Z9EHQ)

212 I can eat carbs and lose weight as long as it's not wheat. I don't know why, but wheat causes my body to really hold on to weight even if my carb intake is the same.With my last two pregnancies I gained 55 lbs eating normally including wheat, but only 18 lbs the next pregnancy while avoiding it.

Posted by: Lauren at June 27, 2013 04:02 PM (wsGWu)

213 The Guidoscame in contact carbs way back in preRomsn times. when huts made of wheat were burned in a savage pillaging spree and someone said "atsa smella niice". we've been struggling ever since.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 08:59 PM (8I9hB)

 

*****

 

I imagine there was that one hut in the village where the inhabitants stored their pepperoni, tomatoes and some cheese in the attic, under the wheat thatched roof.   MMMmmmmmm

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 04:02 PM (mvenn)

214 so, your fat cells react to the insulin not to "calories" and thus your zero calorie sweetener makes you fat. and if you think that the body is a perfect bomb calorimeter of calorie, represented solely by fat cells, then yeah, mock away. But otherwise, use brain and realize that your high insulin release sweetener therefore causes you to get tired since your fat cells are sucking in available calories from blood stream

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 04:03 PM (ERPCd)

215 This is Pretzel Day, dammit! http://youtu.be/6P9Az_IGKqQ

Posted by: Staney Hudson at June 27, 2013 04:03 PM (+iA5G)

216 Wheat is as addictive as crack. I got the fear of god put into me from my doctor. I was pre-diabetic, with my dad and my sister both diabetic. I've done the Atkins before, which worked but as soon as you start eating the bread again, you put weight back on. This wheat free thing is easier for me. Recent blood work was freakin' great. So now it's become a way of life. With an occasional home brew of course for a treat.

Posted by: Magnolia at June 27, 2013 04:03 PM (Q8MKf)

217 210 good question, doubter. Your liver has the same sort of sugar detectors your taste buds do.

They taste your splenda and release insulin.


My liver releases insulin? I do love this new adventure of learning. Can you aid me with some useful links to teach me more about this phenomenon?

Posted by: Splunge at June 27, 2013 04:03 PM (bKA83)

218 I am able to workout fine on low carb or on intermittent fast. That's including either weight lifting or running. I find eating carbs will make me sluggish or hyper

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 04:04 PM (ERPCd)

219 But otherwise, use brain


I have identified the Area of Concern.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 04:04 PM (Gk3SS)

220 I imagine there was that one hut in the village where the inhabitants stored their pepperoni, tomatoes and some cheese in the attic, under the wheat thatched roof. MMMmmmmmm

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 09:02 PM (mvenn) ------

 

Exactly SM = PIZZA!!!!!   Boy do you know your history.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 04:05 PM (8I9hB)

221 Wheat?  Meh, it's just too damn hard to make a wheat beer that that tastes right.  Not that I'm going to stop trying.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 27, 2013 04:05 PM (kxSZr)

222

I have hypoglycemia, which is a diabetes precursor, and is very prevalent in my family. My mother was diagnosed with diabetes at age 50 and died 8 years later; both my grandparents and uncle had it. 

 

Lost 45 lbs on Atkins in my early 30s and managed to keep it off for 15 years. 

 

Then came menopause; for comfort I went after the carbs, and gained back 40 of it within 6 months.   

 

With age 50 creeping up, I had to get serious.  So I went back to a low carb diet and PRESTO:  the weight fell off in six months.  And it's stayed off for 5 years. 

 

Once in a great while, I will have a sugar-laden treat, or a white potato, or rice.  Otherwise I must stick to the low-carb lifestyle - strictly.   

 

Posted by: Marybeth at June 27, 2013 04:06 PM (zFUKI)

223 221 Wheat? Meh, it's just too damn hard to make a wheat beer that that tastes right. Not that I'm going to stop trying.

I think there are 10 people in the world that can do it. And 8 of them are German.

Posted by: Splunge at June 27, 2013 04:06 PM (bKA83)

224 one sec, grab you link

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 04:07 PM (ERPCd)

225 Exactly SM = PIZZA!!!!! Boy do you know your history.

Posted by: Guido - with 70% more hate at June 27, 2013 09:05 PM (8I9hB)

 

***

 

Except, instead of burning and pillaging, they revised it to bake  at   425 degrees  for 18 minutes....then pillage.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 04:07 PM (mvenn)

226 I used to be one of those 'calories in vs calories out' guys.  I still think that's true in the long run if you have a large enough calorie deficit but I've changed my tune about eating low-carb.  I learned that I can drop 20 pounds in a month by limiting them but I can't keep it up long term.

If anyone is interested, there's a documentary on Netflix streaming called Fathead. It's a rebuttal to Morgan Spurlock's Supersize Me and was created/hosted by a nutritionist and former standup comic.  Very entertaining and goes into how food companies are keeping you hooked on carbs.

Posted by: sluggo at June 27, 2013 04:07 PM (vVv3V)

227 If you ever read the article where some nutritionist lost weight eating while eating twinkies and assorted junk food they also ate things like green beans and celery for fill and used some kind of meal replacement shake to get nutrients so they didn't have a deficiency.   

So big whoop:  Some people can eat twinkies and not trigger a craving where they go over the # of calories they are burning per day as long as they also get some vegetable fiber and meet their minimum nutrition requirements and they are rigorously keeping track because they are writing a research paper.  

  Most people who grab a twinkie are not recording calories and they are not switching to a can of green beans and an ensure to keep calorie intake in line after eating 2/3rd of their needed daily calorie intake in snack cakes. 

Posted by: palerider at June 27, 2013 04:08 PM (dkExz)

228 I lost about 25 lbs by avoiding bread, rice, potatoes and sugar while eating everything else as much as I wanted. And keeping more or less the same diet, I've kept the weight off for going on 2 years. So it's a combination of low carb and gluten free. And it works. Will it work for everyone? Probably not. Works for me though and that's what I care about.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at June 27, 2013 04:08 PM (HDgX3)

229 Definitely recommend fathead. Tom Noughton is great...and should really become a moron. He's a natural fit.

Posted by: Lauren at June 27, 2013 04:09 PM (wsGWu)

230 Haven't read the comments, but for anyone who's interested, there are recipes for all kinds of things you can make by microwaving in a coffee mug, including chocolate cake. Pretty good if you are single. Bing "mug recipes microwave".

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 27, 2013 04:09 PM (yBcV6)

231

 >>>>obama's look a like attacks a guy after profiling him as a cracker and calling him the n word and nothing happens?

 

Something happened. He got shot in the belly and died. *sad trombone*

Posted by: Warden at June 27, 2013 04:09 PM (HzhBE)

232 If you look at the American Diabetic Diet, it's all about the whole-grain bulls***. Yet more and more people are diagnosed as diabetic. I do eat small amounts of sweet potatoes or new potatoes for extra energy. If I'm going to have dessert, a small piece of cheesecake with ground nut crust.

Posted by: Magnolia at June 27, 2013 04:09 PM (Q8MKf)

233 226 If anyone is interested, there's a documentary on Netflix streaming called Fathead. It's a rebuttal to Morgan Spurlock's Supersize Me and was created/hosted by a nutritionist and former standup comic. Very entertaining and goes into how food companies are keeping you hooked on carbs.

Great tip. He has a good discussion site, too, and actually responds often to commenters. Plus, his whole documentary basically calls Spurlock a lying dickhead, but in a really classy way. That's not something one can do too much of.

Posted by: Splunge at June 27, 2013 04:09 PM (bKA83)

234 210 good question, doubter. Your liver has the same sort of sugar detectors your taste buds do. They taste your splenda and release insulin. Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 09:01 PM (ERPCd) --------- Hey! I've been doing all the insulin-releasing round here! The liver's supposed to be on that?!

Posted by: Jenny's Pancreas at June 27, 2013 04:09 PM (GmTxn)

235 http://tinyurl.com/o56u9w6 one study that showed that saccharin released same insulin response in liver as same as with fructose. search for liver.

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 04:09 PM (ERPCd)

236 #211: Quentin Tarantino peppers his scripts liberally with the same word, and puts in cameos that often have him saying it on camera, and he gets showered with awards.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler (@ProthonotaryW) at June 27, 2013 04:10 PM (LScnt)

237

this thread is makin mah hungreh.

 

 

 

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at June 27, 2013 04:10 PM (RZ8pf)

238

Lauren,

       Wheat is bad for humans. Period. However, the dose is the poison, and if your liver and gut are already compromised by polyunsaturated fats, you are really in trouble.

Posted by: Lando at June 27, 2013 04:10 PM (NsNEn)

239 My liver releases insulin? I do love this new adventure of learning. Can you aid me with some useful links to teach me more about this phenomenon? Posted by: Splunge at June 27, 2013 09:03 PM (bKA83) Outsourcing.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 27, 2013 04:10 PM (V1ZIU)

240 Morgan Spurlock

*hack* *spit*

Fucking 'progressive' hack Michael Moore wannabe.

I watched "Supersize Me" once.

Took me two weeks of showers to wash the stink off.

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 04:10 PM (7vimm)

241 Re this claim about artificial sweeteners, here's what Mayo has to say about their affects on blood sugar: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/artificial-sweeteners/AN00348

Posted by: Y-not is still bitter at June 27, 2013 04:11 PM (5H6zj)

242 113 Imma let you finish, but Snyder's of Berlin Maui Onion are the greatest potato chips of all time.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at June 27, 2013 08:34 PM (aozUR)


Where do you get those? Problem with chips is a lot of brands are only available regionally.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 27, 2013 08:37 PM (V1ZIU)


Mostly western and central PA, but you can also get them at Sheetz as far south as at least Richmond, VA.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at June 27, 2013 04:11 PM (aozUR)

243 Well calories in does equal calories out plus accumulation. Your body is not a nuclear reactor creating and destroying matter. But your body is a bioreactor and each one is a little different in efficiency and what fuel works best with it.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 27, 2013 04:11 PM (9VV2w)

244

Ans:   The islets of Langerhans

 

 

 

 

Quest:  What did Langerhans run his shoelaces through to keep his boots from falling off?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 27, 2013 04:12 PM (mvenn)

245 new post

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 04:13 PM (LCRYB)

246 I don't count carbs, cal's, or fat. I llive in the far south, fuck, I'd eat fried lard if I could find it.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at June 27, 2013 04:14 PM (OFP0k)

247 Here's the fat head guy's kids explaining why eating carbs and fat together makes you fat. Really good, and short. Link in.sig.

Posted by: Lauren at June 27, 2013 04:15 PM (wsGWu)

248 This is an interesting article on how the obesity epidemic is not just limited to humans but to the animal world as well--and not just pampered poodles but lab animals in strictly controlled environments are packing on the pounds. The article goes left towards the end but is otherwise good. http://tinyurl.com/p3fssve

Posted by: Ragamuffin at June 27, 2013 04:15 PM (fzFF6)

249 >>>For some, artificial sweeteners can trigger insulin production. Insulin makes you store fat. Another dieting pitfall.

I thought this was kinda bullshit but now I'm wondering.

I see peeps recommending stevia.


Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 04:17 PM (LCRYB)

250 You do realize that they were comparing simple carbs—sugar—not to protein and fat, but to complex carbs? Carbs and carbs, and sugar, simple carb, lit up an area of addiction, while complex carbs—still carbs—did not. Still calories in and calories out, unless you've overthrown laws of thermodynamics.

Posted by: D1stewart at June 27, 2013 04:18 PM (fIkHQ)

251 D1stewart, yes, calories in and calories out is true, but almost completely irrelevant to the cause of weight loss or gain.

Posted by: Lando at June 27, 2013 04:20 PM (NsNEn)

252 235 http://tinyurl.com/o56u9w6

one study that showed that saccharin released same insulin response in liver as same as with fructose. search for liver.


Whew! Hard read for sure. Looking for liver references turned up only the information that saccharin is not metabolized by the liver, but I grant that this makes the point about insulin response to saccharin being not what you would want from an artificial sweetener, if you believe in the "insulin release == fatness" connection for some people, as I tentatively do. So what have you got for Splenda?

Posted by: Splunge at June 27, 2013 04:21 PM (bKA83)

253 This video has a very solid take from a surgeon on how carbs affect us and also how we misunderstand the causes of Diabetes. http://tinyurl.com/orm8y3b I'm a weight loss surgery patient. Both my husband and I had the Duodenal Switch. He went from an A1C of 12.5 to 5.2, no more hypertension or hyperlipidemia. We're both at goal and have been him for nearly 4 years, me for almost 3. We eat high protein, high fat, moderate complex carbs and low simple carbs. It's not for everyone but thank G-d the surgery was here for us.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at June 27, 2013 04:21 PM (fzFF6)

254 A simplistic calories in = calories out view ignores the efficiency of the initial digestive process in absorbing consumed food, as well as the efficiency of the various biochemical pathways by which nutrients are broken down into usable amino acids, minerals, sugars, etc. by the digestive system.

2000 calories eaten do not equal 2000 calories burned or stored by the body.  This is neither biologically nor thermodynamically possible.

Posted by: filbert at June 27, 2013 04:24 PM (7vimm)

255 249 >>>For some, artificial sweeteners can trigger insulin production. Insulin makes you store fat. Another dieting pitfall. I thought this was kinda bullshit but now I'm wondering. I see peeps recommending stevia. Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 09:17 PM (LCRYB) The insulin reaction is due to how it hits the duodenum, if I remember correctly. It's one of the reasons my surgery (duodenal switch) cures diabetes. With the exception of about a 1 inch stump, my duodenum will never see food again so I don't get the insulin reaction. As to Stevia, personally I like it better than SPlenda but it's costlier and doesn't do a 1 to 1 ratio with sugar like Splenda granulated does. However, I eat so little with gobs of sugar in it, that I usually just do either a combo of Spenda and the real thing or all natural sugar. Sugar hits me weird because of the surgery (gas, bloating, generally not fit company for man nor beast) so I make my indulgences something I'm willing to pay the price for. And I load them with fat. (I don't absorb 80% of the fat I eat so I can.)

Posted by: Ragamuffin at June 27, 2013 04:29 PM (fzFF6)

256 ragamuffin,

glad you're doing well. thanks for the video, I'm watching, about 8 minutes in.


Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 04:29 PM (LCRYB)

257 "Fucking 'progressive' hack Michael Moore wannabe. I watched "Supersize Me" once. Took me two weeks of showers to wash the stink off." When I was on Weight Watchers and losing weight I would spend the entire weekend eating restaurant food, mainly fast food or diners. Those people who blame fast food restaurants for our fatness should take a look at the calorie count for meals in sit down restaurants. You're better off at McD's. I would eat off the dollar menu. Double hamburger, small salad, and diet soda. I knew exactly what to order at every kind of restaurant there is. It's all in how you order. The criticisms of restaurants is another example of liberals who like to blame businesses or institutions rather than expecting individuals to take personal responsibility.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 27, 2013 04:30 PM (yBcV6)

258 Nerdygirl, you'll love Fathead! That's his exact point.

Posted by: Lauren at June 27, 2013 04:32 PM (wsGWu)

259 Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 09:29 PM (LCRYB) Hope you find it interesting and useful. Realized I combined 2 topics in my post and thought I should clarify. The video is by a general surgeon and is about diabetes and carbs. Nothing to do with my weight loss surgery. That info is at dsfacts.com if anyone is interested.

Posted by: Ragamuffin at June 27, 2013 04:36 PM (fzFF6)

260 It's all in how you order. The criticisms of restaurants is another example of liberals who like to blame businesses or institutions rather than expecting individuals to take personal responsibility. ---------- Yup. My husband finally got on the low carb wagon this year and lost 50 pounds. He eats at truck stops as often as not. It's not rocket science to order a hamburger (minus bun) and a side salad or a big meal salad with grilled chicken (extra chicken breast) and cheese, when he's at McDonalds

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Pancreas at June 27, 2013 04:48 PM (GmTxn)

261 >>>Nerdygirl, you'll love Fathead! That's his exact point.

yup, all he does is rag on him.  The Fathead guy eats fast food twice a day every day (maybe all three meals).  But he's carb conscious about it.   He loses weight.  I don't think he even eats salads.

What would surprise people here is -- and I think this is interesting for political theorists, like you all -- is that in fact it was standard common sense accepted wisdom that carbs caused weight gain until around 1965.  That's why moms would say "Don't eat too much pasta, you'll get fat" and etc.

In 1965, based on almost no evidence (a few studies that have now been debunked), the entire Conventional Wisdom shifted, herd-mind-like, in just like 5 years, from "Carbs get you fat" to "Fat makes you fat; you can have all the carbs you like!"

You can see the effects of this shift in thinking by comparing the average person's weight in 1965 to the average weight today.

There was a traditional received wisdom that carbs were fattening (in fairness, there was not much medical proof of *this* Conventional Wisdom, either), and then it was entirely abandoned in favor of the New and Novel thinking based on some bad studies.  And then for 40 years barely anyone even questioned this new Conventional Wisdom.  In fact, skeptics were derided as  dangerous charlatans and cranks.

People are not very good at thinking.  They are especially bad at thinking when "thinking in groups," which frankly is an oxymoron.  "Group Think?" It doesn't exist.



Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 04:55 PM (LCRYB)

262 a single senator, proxmire, declared the war on fat (on behalf of the scientists he oversaw, who actually did not agree, but went along because, well, Federal Money), based on his doctor recommending the then-fad Pritikin Diet (one of the early low-fat fad diets).

This is how the national government became, as an official matter, anti-fat and, more importantly, pro-carb.  And very pro-carb indeed -- carbs DOMINATE the food pyramid.  Breads are at the base! 

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 04:58 PM (LCRYB)

263 219 I have identified the Area of Concern. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 27, 2013 09:04 PM (Gk3SS) You read Rachel Lucas?

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 05:03 PM (sdi6R)

264 Where do you get those? Problem with chips is a lot of brands are only available regionally. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 27, 2013 08:37 PM Snyder's are available in my hometown in Eastern Kentucky, but I've never seen them further west than that. Damn, they're good. ***wiping drool***

Posted by: shinypie at June 27, 2013 05:09 PM (pTn3t)

265 I can vouch for wheat/gluten free diets. Wheat suddenly began making me so sick in the last couple of years, after spending years eating everything "whole grain" I could get my hands on because "they" kept saying how healthy it is. The "Wheat Belly" book is definitely worth a read. And even if you think the paleo people are nutcases (and a lot of them are) they have a lot of great websites with very good recipes. Going gluten-free has changed me and I won't go back.

Posted by: shinypie at June 27, 2013 05:13 PM (pTn3t)

266 262 This is how the national government became, as an official matter, anti-fat and, more importantly, pro-carb. And very pro-carb indeed -- carbs DOMINATE the food pyramid. Breads are at the base! Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 09:58 PM (LCRYB) When I was in school in the 60s, we were taught about the Four Food Groups. If I recall correctly, they were Meat, Dairy, Vegetables, and Grains, in equal proportions. There was no "obesity epidemic" back then. Odd, that. The government caused the obesity epidemic? Can't be. Clearly, that's tinfoil hat territory.

Posted by: rickl at June 27, 2013 05:21 PM (sdi6R)

267 It's amazing how well the low carb gluten free diet is working for me. Been on it for 2 months and I'm down close to 50lbs and three pants sizes. Definitely worth looking into.

Posted by: Snail racing champion at June 27, 2013 05:25 PM (2j60F)

268 wheat belly was an interesting read. May explain some comments here

Posted by: joeindc44 at June 27, 2013 05:31 PM (ERPCd)

269

I've been doing the low-carb things since mid-February and have lost 45 pounds.  I've also been doing cross-fit workouts four or five times a week.

 

Posted by: biancaneve at June 27, 2013 05:53 PM (6bYlh)

270 Table Salt is table salt but when she says "sea salt" she means ALL the various ions that are left when you dry away sea water, which may include lots of trace minerals. Posted by: ace at June 27, 2013 08:32 PM (LCRYB) Don't forget the fish poop! Seriously, you're right. I started taking a trace mineral supplement about 6 months ago and noticed an improvement in how I feel. I also take chromium picolinate to help with carb cravings. Your mileage may vary. Oh, and 5 mg per day of lithium orotate. It's nowhere near the therapeutic dose that psychs use but is about what you get if you in an area known for "healing" mineral waters. It's a bit calming yet doesn't make one drowsy, helps mild depression (something I'm a bit prone to), and gives restful sleep. Many also report that it decreases cravings for alcohol. I highly recommend the lithium orotate. You feel it the first time you take it, but not so much after the first day. It doesn't dampen creativity: you just feel better.

Posted by: Michael the a hobbit, but you can call me Michael at June 27, 2013 05:54 PM (7cS5n)

271 Glad I read about the Atkins diet here. I bought an ebook on it and it seemed simple enough. I've been doing Atkins for a year and I've lost 48 pounds and my BMI is under 25 now. Love bread, doughnuts, chocolate chip cookies but after you go without sugar for so long I don't crave it so much, a lot of it just doesn't taste that good to me now. Do let myself eat junk about one weekend a month, but Atkins really discourages cheating like that. It takes about 10 days before fat starts burning again.

Posted by: waelse1 at June 27, 2013 06:29 PM (XGUWG)

272 Carbs needem

Posted by: Smittywood at June 27, 2013 07:03 PM (6l2/Z)

273

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in April, so I had to go low carb in order to maintain my blood sugars.  I eliminate the foods that raise my blood sugar, and am trying to get most of my carbs from veggies (I try to stay below 60 grams of carbs per day), and my fat intake between 50 to 60% of my calories. When I don't eat as much fat, I don't lose that much.

I'm not on Atkins or South Beach or Paleo or anything like that.  I've just eliminated the foods that rise my blood sugar beyond acceptable levels, therefore it's the "Foods That Won't Kill Me" diet.

But what gets me is that when I went in for my diabetes education, they still want us following the food pyramid guidelines while avoiding the processed stuff, even though those guidelines are probably what put me here to begin with.  After I ate a sandwich with double fiber whole wheat bread, my BG rose almost 70 points after an hour, so I stopped eating it and now more recently gave up eating wheat altogether.  You're dealing with people that have a carb intolerance -- why suggest they eat carbs that are still not good for them????

Posted by: Scoop11 at June 28, 2013 02:48 AM (fIBmG)

274 I get great results by strictly following "calories in - calories out".

The only problem is having to dry my poop before running it through the bomb calorimeter.

But, hey - how else you gonna get accurate measurement of the output?

Posted by: Parker at June 28, 2013 03:51 AM (YkW3i)

275 Suggests???? I can tell without hesitation they are. I have battled with this my whole life. I go cold turkey off processed carbs for a few weeks, sometimes I even make it even a few months...and then I fall off the wagon again. For someone like me, they are extremely unhealthy. When I stop eating them, I feel better. When I start eating them again, I actually feel sick. But I crave them. The exact same way I crave cigarettes. So I just keep trying. Because in my case, the carbs may actually be medically worse than the cigarettes.

Posted by: Bets at June 28, 2013 06:14 PM (tDvvM)

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