November 30, 2006
— Ace Smells like Rathergate again.
How transparent can they get? Caught in what seems to be a mistake, compounded by dishonest changes in their story as the story "evolved," they take the Dan Rather tactic of refusing to address the substance of the charges, preferring instead to claim -- get this -- bias and agendas in those making the criticisms.
Let's stipulate for the record: We're biased. So's the military. So's AP.
The question is: what are the actual facts? AP seems less surefooted in attempting to deal with that question.
AP instead tries to make some vague connection between this story and the outrage! of a government PR agency planting positive stories in the Iraqi press.
JunkYardBlog has an offer:
Like I said, I'm not really even that offended by this insinuation because the AP's credibility has been wounded and they're just flailing around desperately looking for someone to blame it on besides themselves. But I'll make you a deal, AP. I'll cooperate with you fully in proving to your satisfaction in proving I am an independent blogger and not getting paid by this Lincoln group. As long as you'll protect my anonymity as you would any confidential source, I'll give you all reasonable access to satisfy you that I'm just a poor little desk-jockey typing away here and not a paid-up tentacle of the military-industrial complex. Obviously it's impossible to prove a negative, but I think I will be able to satisfy you that my writing on this case and my interest in it has been independent. I expect many of the bloggers linked in this piece would submit to a similar examination.
In exchange, you guys will present Capt. Jamil Hussein, live, in person, at the Iraqi MOI HQ. As he's a real, bona fide police captain, I'm sure he'll be interested in clearing up his employment status!
I'm serious, AP dudes. Drop me a line. Seedub at hotmail. Let's do this.
I don't think his hotmail account will be ringing.
More... Flopping Aces started this story (AFAIK), and he has CENTCOM's full denial and AP's statement that it "stands by its story."
Kathleen Carroll states:
From Kathleen Carroll, Executive Editor, The Associated Press
We are satisfied with our reporting on this incident. If Iraqi and U.S. military spokesmen choose to disregard APs on-the-ground reporting, that is certainly their choice to make, but it is a puzzling one given the facts.
AP journalists have repeatedly been to the Hurriyah neighborhood, a small Sunni enclave within a larger Shiia area of Baghdad . Residents there have told us in detail about the attack on the mosque and that six people were burned alive during it. Images taken later that day and again this week show a burned mosque and graffiti that says blood wanted, similar to that found on the homes of Iraqis driven out of neighborhoods where they are a minority. We have also spoken repeatedly to a police captain who is known to AP and has been a reliable source of accurate information in the past and he has confirmed the attack.
By contrast, the U.S. military and Iraqi government spokesmen attack our reporting because that captains name is not on their list of authorized spokespeople. Their implication that we may have given money to the captain is false. The AP does not pay for information. Period.
Further, the Iraqi spokesman said today that reporting on the such atrocities shows that the security situation is worse than it really is. He is speaking from a capital city where dozens of bodies are discovered every day showing signs of terrible torture. Where people are gunned down in their cars, dragged from their homes or blown apart in public places every single day.
At the end of the day, we have AP journalists with reporting and images from the actual neighborhood versus official spokesmen saying the story cannot be true because it is damaging and because one of the sources is not on a list of people approved to talk to the press. Good reporting relies on more than government-approved sources.
We stand behind our reporting.
First of all, this is a blatant misrepresentation of the charge; the charge is not that the "Iraqi policeman" is not an official spokesman, but that he is not a cop at all. AP lies even when it reports on its own lying.
And, just for fun, remember Kathleen Carroll has a never-concede-error mentality. Remember her statement denying any staging whatsoever in the Qana Corpse Carnival?
The AP said information from its photo editors showed the events were not staged, and that the time stamps could be misleading for several reasons, including that web sites can use such stamps to show when pictures are posted, not taken. An AFP executive said he was stunned to be questioned about it. Reuters, in a statement, said it categorically rejects any such suggestion.
"It's hard to imagine how someone sitting in an air-conditioned office or broadcast studio many thousands of miles from the scene can decide what occurred on the ground with any degree of accuracy," said Kathleen Carroll, AP's senior vice president and executive editor.
Carroll said in addition to personally speaking with photo editors, "I also know from 30 years of experience in this business that you can't get competitive journalists to participate in the kind of (staging) experience that is being described."
I grow weary of the media's constant defense that they are "in the shit" and you aren't so you'll just have to listen to them. AP's first reporting on this was done entirely by a local stringer, not by an AP reporter. What little staff they have is not out in the field but back in the relative comfort of the green zone. And of course AP's senior editorial staff is all in the "air-conditioned offices" Kathleen Carroll derieds.
Posted by: EC at November 30, 2006 11:56 AM (mAhn3)
Posted by: Iblis at November 30, 2006 11:58 AM (S4CME)
1. Create opinion. Preferably as liberally biased as possible.
2. Find evidence and or testimony that supports that opinion, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.
3. If none is available, make up and forge as necessary.
4. Impune the motives of anyone who questions the validity of said made up / forged evidence
5. Decry the unprofessionalism of the 'blogosphere' for presenting overwhelming evidence that the opinion in step 1 is unsupportable.
That is what it takes to be a Pro-Fessional.
Posted by: PHenry at November 30, 2006 11:59 AM (ZCbq9)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 30, 2006 12:11 PM (p9O/F)
AP doesn't realize that Arabs see nothing wrong with lying for clan advantage. From the NYT:
In the West we’ve redefined “honorable” as being virtuous, fair, truthful and sincere, but that’s not the traditional meaning. Honor meant simply the respect of the local “honor group” - the family, the extended clan, the tribe, the religious sect. It meant maintaining a reputation for courage and loyalty, not being charitable to enemy civilians. Telling the truth was secondary to saving face.
So the question now is: who gave AP the phone numbers to call for confirmation? Captain Hussein?
Posted by: geoff at November 30, 2006 12:24 PM (2d9Ny)
Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2006 12:25 PM (DzeyU)
Posted by: at November 30, 2006 12:28 PM (i2YG7)
Shades of Kerry-ism, if you ask me. And just as classless and off-putting.
(As though the most valiant people in the warzone are the fucking REPORTERS who write about it.)
Posted by: The Professor at November 30, 2006 01:14 PM (jNnIP)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 30, 2006 01:39 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: funky at November 30, 2006 01:42 PM (EZWY4)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 30, 2006 04:37 PM (w+ipT)
Posted by: spurwing plover at November 30, 2006 06:02 PM (TPwuq)
What a bunch of liars!
Posted by: Subsunk at November 30, 2006 06:09 PM (PaSM8)
Posted by: Kids Puzzles at June 09, 2011 01:50 AM (S93cO)
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