September 30, 2013

AP Fact Check: Yeah, Obama's Lied About "If You Like Your Doctor, You Can Keep Your Doctor"
— Ace

And sundry other things as well.

REP. KEVIN McCARTHY, R-Calif.: "When we started this health care debate, the president led with a very big promise to the American people: If you like the health care that you have, that you currently have, you can keep it." — At a Sept. 20 House Republican rally after passage of the bill that would finance the government on condition the health care law is starved of money.

HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY KATHLEEN SEBELIUS: "The big employers are already in the market. Their plans won't change, and actually that's one thing that we need to remind everybody. If you have insurance with your employer that you like, if it works for you, if your employer is a state or city government, a large employer, if you're in Medicare, if you have veteran's benefits, your patient protections are already in place. Nothing changes in this new market." — CNN, Thursday.

THE FACTS: McCarthy is correct, Obama said exactly that. It was an empty promise, made repeatedly. Sebelius picks her words more carefully but still offers misleading assurances.

Nothing in the health care law guarantees that people can keep the health insurance they already have. Costs can rise, benefits can change and employers can drop coverage.

Insurance policies that are offered must now meet minimum standards, covering more preventive services, for example, and larger employers that don't offer insurance to workers will face penalties when that provision of the law, delayed by Obama, comes into effect. But that doesn't mean the status quo goes on for those who like what they've got now.

Some larger companies are already curtailing their coverage to avoid taxes that start in 2018 on high-value plans, those worth $10,200 or more for individual coverage and $27,500 for family policies. The AFL-CIO, whose member unions had supported the law, now says it is being implemented in a way that is "highly disruptive" to some union health plans, driving up costs for these plans to a point that workers and companies must abandon them.

Continuing a long-term trend, many companies are shifting more costs to employees through higher premiums, deductibles and copayments.

Sebelius is on firm ground in stating that "your patient protections are already in place" because the law contains a range of new protections against lifetime caps on benefits, overly discriminatory pricing and more. But "nothing changes" for those with good insurance? Not so. The landscape is already shifting.

And Guy Benson highlights a Boehner ad attacking Nancy Pelosi's shifting claims on whether or not ObamaCare would lower your insurance premium.

Nancy Pelosi, 2013: I never promised you a rose garden

Nancy Pelosi, 2010: YOU'RE ALL GETTIN' A ROSE GARDEN!

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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 08:45 AM (/PCJa)

2 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 08:45 AM (/PCJa)

3 Barry   lies.  It's  what  he  does.

Posted by: Reggie Love at September 30, 2013 08:45 AM (/1ATA)

4 Be a much smaller article if they stuck to the things Obama was honest about.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2013 08:46 AM (9kDan)

5 McCarthy is correct, Obama said exactly that. Since when is accurately quoting Obama proof that a Republican is correct? I think I need a lie down.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at September 30, 2013 08:46 AM (VtjlW)

6 At least Nancy Pelosi kept up the lie for a few years. Obama makes promises that he breaks within the week.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2013 08:47 AM (yETln)

7 AP Fact Check: Yeah, Obama's Lied So what's new?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 30, 2013 08:47 AM (GjYxB)

8

Getting Latinos to enroll in Obamacare won’t be an easy task, said Dulce Delgadillo, 28, a research assistant at Harder+Company, a San Francisco-based community research firm.  “There is a general fear of government by that population,” Delgadillo said in an interview at an Oakland health fair. “And there is a huge gap in knowledge” about the law’s benefits.  But, didn't these dumb-asses vote for Obama and big government in droves ?????????????

Posted by: WTF at September 30, 2013 08:47 AM (IkHXL)

9 Really?!?!?!?  What difference at this point does it make?!?1!?!11?!!?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 30, 2013 08:48 AM (GjPnA)

10 I've got to start redeeming these "I told you so's" before I run out of places to keep them.

Posted by: Matt S. at September 30, 2013 08:48 AM (PDTch)

11 Obama et al. lied?

Never heard of 'em.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at September 30, 2013 08:49 AM (eHIJJ)

12 5 McCarthy is correct, Obama said exactly that.


Since when is accurately quoting Obama proof that a Republican is correct?

I think I need a lie down.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at September 30, 2013 01:46 PM (VtjlW

 

All it is is proof that a Republican is racist.

Posted by: buzzion at September 30, 2013 08:49 AM (LI48c)

13 THE FACTS: McCarthy is correct, Obama said exactly that. It was an empty promise, made repeatedly.

Wow. Straight up.

So mebbe wiretapping the AP's phone wasn't the best plan after all.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 30, 2013 08:49 AM (ligos)

14 Who ya gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes?

Posted by: Sphynx at September 30, 2013 08:49 AM (OZmbA)

15 Where's my $2500 per year Obama promised me I would save on premiums?  Huh?  I'm waiting......

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 08:49 AM (f9c2L)

16 All your health care are belong to us....

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy! at September 30, 2013 08:51 AM (GjPnA)

17

I posted this on the previous thread, but it actually makes mroe sense here:

 

 

From the weekly standard: http://tinyurl.com/lbk74h8

 



Obamacare Website Quietly Deletes Reference to 'Free Health Care'

 



Even as President Obama and his administration are making a last minute push to encourage enrollment in Obamacare, a quiet change was made on the Healthcare.gov website regarding those who will still not be able to afford coverage after the program kicks in. From at least June 26, 2013 to as recently as September 15, under the topic, "Where can I get free or low-cost care in my community?" the following statement appeared: "If you can't afford any health plan, you can get free or low-cost health and dental care at a nearby community health center."

 

 


...

 


However, sometime between September 16 and September 23, the reference to "free" care was dropped. The title of the topic was changed as well, and now reads: "Where can I get low-cost care in my community?" ...


 


Cute. Real cute.   Not only do you not get to keep your insurance, and not only do you not get to keep your doctor, but you don't even get the "free" healthcare they promised.

 

Of course, anyone with a functioning brain stem and a pulse knew all that before this monstrosity passed   in the first place.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 08:51 AM (4df7R)

18 THE FACTS: McCarthy is correct, Obama said exactly that. It was an empty promise, made repeatedly. Wow. Straight up. So how many other media outlets will get on board with telling the truth now that nothing can be done? Somehow I doubt the alphabets or MSNBC will jump anytime soon.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2013 08:51 AM (yETln)

19 Sure, but he only said it once.

Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 30, 2013 08:52 AM (uvaJ1)

20 Where's my $2500 per year Obama promised me I would save on premiums? Huh? I'm waiting...... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That might actually be true when you compare likely future private policy rate to the gov't run 0Care policy.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 30, 2013 08:52 AM (LSJmV)

21 Golly. And what TIMELY journalism this is! Only two-some years after it might have actually affected anything!

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2013 08:53 AM (RD7QR)

22 Abhorable Health Care !!

Posted by: seamrog at September 30, 2013 08:53 AM (jvcSC)

23 *clears throat* *limbers up a little bit stretch stretch stretch* http://bit.ly/15GbSrB AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *points and points and points* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA! *rolls around in the schadenfreude*

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at September 30, 2013 08:53 AM (VtjlW)

24 The "Affordable Care Act" is going to do to affordable care what Affordable Housing has done to affordable housing.

Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 30, 2013 08:54 AM (uvaJ1)

25 That might actually be true when you compare likely future private policy rate to the gov't run 0Care policy. Old Russian response to "how are you doing?": Average. I'm worse than yesterday, but better than tomorrow. So I'm doing average.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2013 08:54 AM (yETln)

26 Seen on Twitter: "If you like it, you can keep it" is the new "Read my lips." Ouch!!

Posted by: Jmel at September 30, 2013 08:54 AM (cfFqn)

27 *rolls around in the schadenfreude*



No one wanted to end up on a park bench.

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 08:54 AM (GQ8sn)

28 Who cares if I lied, I won, didn't I? Take that, suckers!

Posted by: Lord Obama at September 30, 2013 08:54 AM (PS9iP)

29

Just wait until the 300% Premium Rollbacks kick in.  

 

Then you wingnuts will be singing a different tune.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at September 30, 2013 08:55 AM (9kDan)

30

*clears throat* *limbers up a little bit stretch stretch stretch*


http://bit.ly/15GbSrB

 

BWAHAHAAAAAAAHAAAA!  BWAHAAHAHAAAA!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 08:55 AM (4df7R)

31 *rolls around in the schadenfreude* Business opportunity: Schadenfreude Wipes. For the After Roll.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 30, 2013 08:56 AM (GjYxB)

32 I find out tomorrow just how much our premiums will increase now that we've been kicked onto the exchanges. You better believe I'll be throwing a very public fit about it.

Posted by: Lauren at September 30, 2013 08:56 AM (ELdpj)

33 This is my shocked face:





Want to see it again?

Posted by: Joethefatman (@joethefatman1) at September 30, 2013 08:56 AM (MnSla)

34 Just wait until the 300% Premium Rollbacks kick in. Then you wingnuts will be singing a different tune. O-wordy promised 3 thousand percent. So you're off by a factor of ten. No worries though. He was off by a factor of a thousand or so.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2013 08:56 AM (yETln)

35 If people are allowed to keep their doctors, it will truly be a sign that the Confederacy has won.

Posted by: New Tone Loc at September 30, 2013 08:56 AM (Ks4nX)

36 Looked up what's available for me: $300 per month $5000 deductible, plus copay That's affordable?

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 30, 2013 08:56 AM (RLdcX)

37

@23,

What difference at this point does it make? 

 

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 30, 2013 08:56 AM (GjPnA)

38 That might actually be true when you compare likely future private policy rate to the gov't run 0Care policy. Posted by: Countrysquire
...........
Maybe if you qualify for a subsidy.  Otherwise, I don't think so.  Some of those exchange plans have pretty heft co-pays.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 08:57 AM (f9c2L)

39 Who is the reporter who just got Carney to say "no compromise" several times in a row?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 08:57 AM (DmNpO)

40 Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at September 30, 2013 01:53 PM (VtjlW)

They couldn't find an actress with a shrill and grating enough voice.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 30, 2013 08:57 AM (/kU/5)

41 from alex's link. on boycotting CNN's special free propaganda flick for Hillary campaign (ok no one said that but me )

 Chuck Todd  msnbc sez; 
Brock said in a statement that he agreed with Ferguson’s decision, if not how he expressed it. “We’re gratified that Charles Ferguson did the right thing by backing out of pursuing a project that posed a serious conflict of interest for CNN. His distorted and self-serving account, in which he reveals his anti-Clinton animus, only confirms that our assessment of this film was correct. The threat of misinformation was too high.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 08:57 AM (nqBYe)

42
I never spoke any untruths to the American people, and I will continue detailing the republican's desire to deny the American people basic health care.  They are unreasonable and wrong about absolutely everything regarding the ACA.  It's the best system in the world and will prove to be more popular than me.

Posted by: Bronco Bama, Preznit Pinnochio at September 30, 2013 08:57 AM (pJF+c)

43 In Indiana, it's "50 percent fewer hospitals and 40 percent fewer physicians."

http://is.gd/hurdEh

Which might be OK if you live in Indy or Fort Wayne, but that's gonna suck ass for the rest of the state.  File under "rounding everyone up into high-density urban shitholes because that makes them easier to control."

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at September 30, 2013 08:58 AM (/kI1Q)

44 Well you can't have that but if you're an American citizen you are entitled to..... or a baby's arm holding an apple.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2013 08:58 AM (g1DWB)

45 Did HillBillary support the documentary? Was it supposed to be the kickoff announcement for her presidential candidacy? Or was it something she didn't want?

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2013 08:58 AM (yETln)

46 All I wanted was a nice, simple, catastrophic (i.e., normal insurance plan. Can we just repeal the ACA in Texas? Let Reid think he’s punishing the state?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 30, 2013 08:59 AM (QF8uk)

47 O/T Just got an email from BC. Umm... I'll be back... uh... later...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 08:59 AM (/PCJa)

48 And people still support this waste of human flesh named Obama ??????????????????

Posted by: WTF at September 30, 2013 08:59 AM (3lMGK)

49 Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at September 30, 2013 01:53 PM (VtjlW) Could you maybe do the stretch one more time? Damn phone wouldn't open the camera app fast enough.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 08:59 AM (da5Wo)

50 anti clinton animus. LOL  ok

so i guess they decided to throw Ferguson under the bus , because  they don't want everyone to realize they are spending tons of money for Hillary?

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 08:59 AM (nqBYe)

51

The AP wouldn't be admitting Obama lied if it hadn't already been shown that people accept and expect Obama to lie.

 

Because he's a democrat.  And a black democrat on top of that.

 

So lying is okie dokie since he's not a racist and his heart's in the right place.  It's not a lie if you're good.

 

As opposed to conservative Tea Party people who are lying even when they are technically telling the truth.

Posted by: jwest at September 30, 2013 08:59 AM (u2a4R)

52 O/T Just got an email from BC.

Umm... I'll be back... uh... later...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 01:59 PM (/PCJa)



Second to last one is most impressive.

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 09:00 AM (GQ8sn)

53 At my job they said we won't be getting details of changes until the November enrollment period.  That seems awfully 11th hour.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 30, 2013 09:00 AM (UypUQ)

54 They couldn't find an actress with a shrill and grating enough voice. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 30, 2013 01:57 PM (/kU/5) The sister from the Roseanne show maybe?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 09:00 AM (da5Wo)

55 I wonder if pelosi's health plan pays for her Botox?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 09:00 AM (XruKb)

56

I envision Peter Jennings and Charlie Rose sitting at a table, looking very serious and discussing this "Ya know, Charlie, we really didn't know that much about ObamaCare when it was passed..." "Exactly, Peter. It was like a blank slate, with very little detail released about it"

 

Schmucks. 

Posted by: DaveinNC at September 30, 2013 09:00 AM (boNGU)

57 The poll question was probably along these lines: "Given that it is in fact the Republicans fault - would you say that it is the Republicans fault?"

Posted by: UWP at September 30, 2013 09:00 AM (vj51i)

58 "rounding everyone up into high-density urban shitholes because that makes them easier to control vote demoncrat."


Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 30, 2013 09:01 AM (uvaJ1)

59 As Rush has pointed out, isn't it strange, on the  month leading up to the actual start of  Ocare, that we're suddenly getting horror stories of what this law is going to do to medicine?

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 09:01 AM (gURHd)

60 57 - oops, wrong thread.

Posted by: UWP at September 30, 2013 09:01 AM (vj51i)

61 AP has to tell the truth every now and then; that's how they keep enough credibility to spin and lie to people the rest of the time.
 
And lie and spin they do.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 30, 2013 09:01 AM (wNF3N)

62 Heather, so people will have to possibly drive hours to get their cancer treatments?

makes sense they need fresh air and a change of scenery once in a while right?

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 09:01 AM (nqBYe)

63 Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 33s Senate Chaplain opens with "As our nation stumbles toward a seemingly unavoidable government shutdown..."

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:01 AM (DmNpO)

64 Sure, he lies.  But he's so dreamy!  And Republicans are racist!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 09:01 AM (zF6Iw)

65 Fewer people covered AND health care costs go up? Is there anything Obamacare can't do?

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:01 AM (T0NGe)

66 Soona, so i guess media can say yeah we mentioned that stuff , remember!?

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 09:02 AM (nqBYe)

67 from an Aug 30 email from the Obama "Truth Team":


This week, we're talking about how the law is already lowering health care costs for millions of Americans by providing preventive care -- without any out-of-pocket expenses. Yup, that's right -- free preventive care in ways that are potentially live saving: FREE annual check-ups, FREE mammograms and other cancer screenings, FREE blood pressure screenings, FREE diabetes screenings, FREE contraception, and FREE vaccinations.


[Because the unicorns that shit skittles can also do free blood work, I guess. Maybe next we can have someone trim the fat off our meat for FREE]

Posted by: mallfly at September 30, 2013 09:02 AM (bJm7W)

68 Chuck Todd, believe it or not, is up Carney's ass about NSA spying.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:02 AM (DmNpO)

69 Is there anything Obamacare can't do?


Work.

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 09:02 AM (GQ8sn)

70 When doesn't he lie?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 30, 2013 09:02 AM (1Jaio)

71

More from AtC's link:

 

“I got in touch with several prominent Democrats who knew Hillary Clinton,” Ferguson wrote. “I told them that this campaign against the film and against CNN was counterproductive. They conveyed this message to Mrs. Clinton personally, along with my request to speak with her. The answer that came back was, basically, over my dead body.”

 

 

Ferguson did manage to speak with Bill Clinton, he said, where the former president “proceeded to tell me the most amazing lies I’ve heard in quite a while

 

 

“Wow, I thought, this guy is a really good actor. And I also saw one reason why Hillary Clinton might not be thrilled about my movie.”

 

 

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:02 AM (4df7R)

72 I wonder if pelosi's health plan pays for her Botox? Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 02:00 PM (XruKb) ---- I thought she was the botox donor for all these injections.

Posted by: UWP at September 30, 2013 09:03 AM (vj51i)

73 65 Fewer people covered AND health care costs go up? Is there anything Obamacare can't do? Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 02:01 PM (T0NGe) What it promised to do?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 09:03 AM (da5Wo)

74 He was safely re elected ,they can now report that it was a lie.

Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2013 09:03 AM (9XBK2)

75 LOUD NOISES

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 09:04 AM (8sCoq)

76 As Rush has pointed out, isn't it strange, on the month leading up to the actual start of Ocare, that we're suddenly getting horror stories of what this law is going to do to medicine? Yeah, it is, a little, but I don't think it's what Democrats or the MFM (delenda est) (BIRM) wanted, either. I think people like me, and Sherry McEvil, and other people who are actually knowledgeable about Health Care, Health Insurance,and Heath Care IT finally broke through the media blockade. I think the MFM (delenda est) wanted these to start popping up *after* the implementation so they could push for more control. Now they're tasked with defending the move forward while ALSO trying to push for more control.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 09:04 AM (/PCJa)

77

I believe Obama believed that  Obamacare would allow people to keep the insurance they had at the time.   He was told that by the wonks who put together the plan.    You really don't think he read more than the index to  the healthcare plan do you?  

 

His reasoning and cognitive skills are average to below avergae.   He is lazy.  He is narcissistic.   That  combination  is the most dangerous combo out there.   Its the perfect storm.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 09:04 AM (m2CN7)

78 "rounding everyone up into high-density urban shitholes because that makes them easier to control vote demoncrat." Was watching Season 3 of The Tudors yesterday. A guy took a red hot poker up the ass for treason. I still wouldn't vote democrat. Ram away.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 30, 2013 09:04 AM (GjYxB)

79 Senate now voting to kill the House bill

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:04 AM (DmNpO)

80 They couldn't find an actress with a shrill and grating enough voice.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 30, 2013 01:57 PM (/kU/5)
 
Bette Midler died?

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 30, 2013 09:04 AM (wNF3N)

81 Poor Julia.  No wonder she has abandonment issues.

Posted by: Fritz at September 30, 2013 09:05 AM (UzPAd)

82 75 LOUD NOISES Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 02:04 PM (8sCoq) Fire both barrels into the air. You'll be fine.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 09:05 AM (da5Wo)

83 Is there anything Obamacare can't do? Work. Properly.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 30, 2013 09:05 AM (GjYxB)

84

I know this is petty, but...

 

from an Aug 30 email from the Obama "Truth Team":





This week, we're talking about how the law is already lowering health
care costs for millions of Americans by providing preventive care --
without any out-of-pocket expenses. Yup, that's right -- free preventive
care in ways that are potentially live    saving: FREE annual check-ups,
FREE mammograms and other cancer screenings, FREE blood pressure
screenings, FREE diabetes screenings, FREE contraception, and FREE
vaccinations.
]

 

 

If you're going to straight up lie, can you   at least invest in a fucking proofreader?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:05 AM (4df7R)

85 As opposed to conservative Tea Party people who are lying even when they are technically telling the truth. I like that line. I just wanted to quote it.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:05 AM (T0NGe)

86 Can't wait to ask my dirt ass poor, Obama worshiping, crack doing, social security living (@ age 50), friend if she has bought her health insurance yet, as per her messiahs law of the land.

Posted by: UWP at September 30, 2013 09:05 AM (vj51i)

87 GnuBreed: "And lie and spin they do."

Gell-Mann Amnesia. The flaws, lies, and spin are all part of a well-worn recipe.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 30, 2013 09:06 AM (eHIJJ)

88 >*rolls around in the schadenfreude*


uhh... what are you wearing?

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 09:06 AM (8sCoq)

89

Shutting down the government is almost like George Bush killing James Byrd all over again.

Posted by: New Tone Loc at September 30, 2013 09:06 AM (Ks4nX)

90 look if  Obama wants to delay or waiver  the effects of an expensive ,unwieldy and personally  invasive  health care system for his buddies and fed workers, why not delay  it for the rest of us?




trying to find  short  comments  i can say to anyone at the grocers or barbeques etc.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 09:06 AM (nqBYe)

91 What are the two biggest problems with the American health care system? (1) Not everyone is covered. (2) It's expensive. Heckuva job there, Barky.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:07 AM (T0NGe)

92 I wonder if there are other 1st world nations with politics as fucked up as ours

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 09:07 AM (8sCoq)

93

Jamie Dupree þ@jamiedupree 33s
Senate Chaplain opens with "As our nation stumbles toward a seemingly unavoidable government shutdown..."

 

Whatever happened to "separation of church and state,"  you Democratic swine?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 09:07 AM (zF6Iw)

94 I love Steve Stockman! Rep. Steve Stockman ‏@SteveWorks4You 1h Hysteric Democrats claiming the shutdown means the Redskins can't play next week. #heyitcouldbetrue

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:08 AM (DmNpO)

95 What are the two biggest problems with the American health care system? 1) Too much liberty 2) Too little cost

Posted by: Prog/Commies if they told the truth at September 30, 2013 09:08 AM (/PCJa)

96 @whignewtons
Carney: Obama Is Still Not Talking To Republicans To Avoid Shutdown

What an hero.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 30, 2013 09:08 AM (ligos)

97 I  like  to  play  doctor.

Posted by: Chappaqua Bill at September 30, 2013 09:08 AM (/1ATA)

98 Hysteric Democrats claiming the shutdown means the Redskins can't play next week. #heyitcouldbetrue The Redskins could play?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 09:09 AM (/PCJa)

99 I wonder if there are other 1st world nations with politics as fucked up as ours



We're practically the model of civility when you compare our govt with some Asian ones.  You don't see a congressman or senator leap from their seat, run across the aisle and Troy-punch someone in the face, starting a full-on battle royal.

I would welcome the distraction and laugh heartily.

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 09:09 AM (GQ8sn)

100 If you're going to straight up lie, can you at least invest in a fucking proofreader?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:05 PM (4df7R)


They did. He didn't see a problem. He said that 'would of' been acceptable to his English teacher.

Posted by: Retread at September 30, 2013 09:09 AM (G+w7R)

101 QUESTION FOR THE GROUP


I don't have insurance. What should I do tomorrow?

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 09:09 AM (8sCoq)

102 86. You know my in-laws? (She's got trial so I'm safe saying that)

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 09:09 AM (8sFfo)

103

The threat  of a government shutdown is like the local Rug merchant store that has been shutting down, going out of business sale for the last 10 years.

 

Business as usual. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 09:09 AM (m2CN7)

104 My nomination for the most candid politician of my time would be Robert Strauss… After the Democratic whipping in the off-year congressional election of 1970, there was the usual postmortem speculation among pundits about a dire future, if any, for the Democrats. I took a camera crew around to see Bob, and he detailed a lot of reasons why that speculation was far off the mark. As our crew was packing up to leave and we still sat at his desk, I said: “Bob, you know, you made a few statements just now that I really find hard to believe.” “Walter, boy, you’ve got to believe me, fully 85 percent of everything I told you today is the absolute truth.”—stuff Walter Cronkite actually wrote.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 30, 2013 09:09 AM (QF8uk)

105 trying to find short comments i can say to anyone at the grocers or barbeques etc.

 

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 02:06 PM (nqBYe)

 

"Obamacare for EVERYONE or NO ONE."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 09:10 AM (zF6Iw)

106 I don't have insurance. What should I do tomorrow?

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 02:09 PM (8sCoq)



Pay the penalty.  Coast until you need it.

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 09:10 AM (GQ8sn)

107  are the Dems on Cspan screaming lies again ?

I decided for my health i would never watch a line up of lying liars shriek more than once a week or longer after the marathon of lies i witnessed for the last week.
shockingly unbelievable for such a political novice as me.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 09:10 AM (nqBYe)

108 77-by wonk, do you mean Ezra Klein?

Posted by: ejo at September 30, 2013 09:10 AM (GXvSO)

109 Actually the Redskins got their 1st win yesterday, 24-14 over the Oakland Raiders

I know, I know

but a W is a W

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 09:10 AM (8sCoq)

110 Think maybe the AP reporter has figured out that ObamaCide applies to him as well?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Outrage Outlet - Get Your supplies for Opening Day of RINO Season here! at September 30, 2013 09:10 AM (hLRSq)

111 I don't have insurance. What should I do tomorrow? Well, you actually have until sometime next year, I think, to comply. I'd sit on my hands until this mess is resolved, at least. Hey, maybe it'll even save you a premium payment.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (/PCJa)

112 I don't have insurance. What should I do tomorrow?

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 02:09 PM (8sCoq)

 

Do what I guess up to 10 to 15 million other  American citizens will do.  

 

Nothing.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (m2CN7)

113 At what point can we begin to call Nancy Pelosi an addled old codger? Because for Republicans that'sa around 60 years of age.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (659DL)

114 If you had health insurance and lost it due to government regulations, if you feel that you are being discriminated against by government bureaucrats while you search for affordable health insurance, if you feel it is unfair that you have to pay for your health care right, then call us. We have lawyers standing bye to take your case.

We know how government bureaucrats work, we know how to win, we can secure for you a settlement, we never sleep. Call now, our 800 number, toll free, 24/7. Don't lose your rights, don't lose sleep, we can help.

Posted by: Fester, Burnem, and Howe at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (0tf8k)

115 Mary Poppins , nice and to the point.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (nqBYe)

116 But what about Judy or Julia or whateverthefuck her name was that 60 year old waitress that's going to be able to get health insurance for the first time?

Why do you want all these grasshoppers to freeze come winter?

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (VjL9S)

117 If you're going to straight up lie, can you at least invest in a fucking proofreader?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at
September 30, 2013 02:05 PM (4df7R)

No.  Proofreaders don't work for free.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (fwARV)

118  Senate now voting to kill the House bill

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 02:04 PM (DmNpO)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------------

 

 

So they're voting to not fund the military?  The repubs better run with this  bit of winning.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (gURHd)

119 If you're going to straight up lie, can you at least invest in a fucking proofreader?

That's not a typo. They expect it to save exactly one person sometime in the future.

Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (uvaJ1)

120 Jones, I think we should all look at the exchanges tomorrow because a) then we can discuss just how fucked we all are with proof and also b)because if we all look the system will probably crash and that can be used against Obama. Yeah, I'm feeling cynical. Sucks for me that I actually need the damn exchange now, Thanks, Obama

Posted by: Lauren at September 30, 2013 09:11 AM (ELdpj)

121 Heather, so people will have to possibly drive hours to get their cancer treatments?

They probably already do, that's kind of specialized...I was thinking more about counties with one hospital and a handful of doctors; if they're not in SCOAMF's network the only difference between having exchange insurance and no insurance at all is you're out thousands of dollars a year.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at September 30, 2013 09:12 AM (/kI1Q)

122 McConnell, that useless FUCK! Is working now to undermine the House and Senate GOPs who have stood firm. He is now floating on the floor the possibility of a one-week CR.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:12 AM (DmNpO)

123 Where's sven? Isn't he entitled to at least a parole hearing????

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 30, 2013 09:12 AM (T0Pku)

124 Ted Cruz is pretty much a terrorist, if you think about it.

Posted by: New Tone Loc at September 30, 2013 09:12 AM (Ks4nX)

125 McConnell has the spine of a jellyfish. 

Posted by: tofer732 at September 30, 2013 09:13 AM (z3MpN)

126 Jesse, you looked like hell last night.

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 30, 2013 09:13 AM (LSJmV)

127 Yup, that's right -- free preventive care in ways that are potentially {live} saving: FREE annual check-ups, FREE mammograms and other cancer screenings, FREE blood pressure screenings, FREE diabetes screenings, FREE contraception, and FREE vaccinations.]


If you're going to straight up lie, can you at least invest in a fucking proofreader?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:05 PM (4df7R)


Wow ! i could apply for  work there!

good enough for Govt work!

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 09:13 AM (nqBYe)

128 If you're going to straight up lie, can you at least invest in a fucking proofreader?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist)


We did. But those murderous Rettthuggglikkkans took away his government mandated birth control and he suffered a nervous breakdown and couldn't fly to DC to speelCzech our email!

Posted by: OFA / MMFA / Troof Team [/i] [/b] at September 30, 2013 09:14 AM (ligos)

129 No. Proofreaders don't work for free.

I have a RIGHT to grammar and spelling!

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at September 30, 2013 09:14 AM (/kI1Q)

130 Is working now to undermine the House and Senate GOPs who have stood firm. He is now floating on the floor the possibility of a one-week CR. Well... maybe so, maybe no. Depends on what he has in that "one week CR." See, it could just be another "See? It's not *us* who want a shutdown!" Of course, this is Bitch McConnell, so that's unlikely, but I'm feeling optimistic what with getting ready to start a new job in #twoweeks.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 09:14 AM (/PCJa)

131 Is that the movie where she was going to be played by Scarlett Johansson?

Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 30, 2013 09:15 AM (uvaJ1)

132 If you're going to straight up lie, can you at least invest in a fucking proofreader?

That's not a typo. They expect it to save exactly one person sometime in the future.

Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 30, 2013 02:11 PM (uvaJ1)


or perhaps they meant 'live' on tv.

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 09:15 AM (nqBYe)

133

McConnell has the spine of a jellyfish.

 

Probably heard he wouldn't get an invite to Nancy Pelosi's hot tub party if he didn't cooperate.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 09:15 AM (zF6Iw)

134 100 If you're going to straight up lie, can you at least invest in a fucking proofreader?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:05 PM (4df7R)

They did. He didn't see a problem. He said that 'would of' been acceptable to his English teacher.

Posted by: Retread at September 30, 2013 02:09 PM (G+w7R)



Ima gwan secund that opinyun

Posted by: Sphynx at September 30, 2013 09:15 AM (OZmbA)

135 >>>Ted Cruz is pretty much a terrorist, if you think about it.<<<

Ted Cruz is the Jack Reacher of senators.

Posted by: Fritz at September 30, 2013 09:15 AM (UzPAd)

136 I can only hope the new, grassroots money being infused into the Senate Conservatives Fund is now being funneled into McConnell's primary challengers' coffers.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 30, 2013 09:16 AM (eHIJJ)

137 You know, I'm parked about 200 feet from the front door of the brand new social security office It opens at nine and as usual there's a line down the stairs and into the parking lot The majority of these fuckers aren't even from America but going to get their 'free money' Shut this fucker down

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 09:16 AM (fmjNz)

138

Rep. Steve Stockman þ@SteveWorks4You 1h


Hysteric Democrats claiming the shutdown means the Redskins can't play next week. #heyitcouldbetrue

 

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 02:08 PM (DmNpO)

 

WTF?   They cannot be that stupid... can they?  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:16 AM (4df7R)

139 also from an email (from dopey Kirsten Gillibrand):

"If we ever needed a reminder why we need more women in Congress, we’re getting it now:

The nonstop spending fights are hurting families.

There’s an explanation for these fights: Congress is made up of only 18% women. If women had more seats at the table, it wouldn’t be like this."


Posted by: mallfly at September 30, 2013 09:16 AM (bJm7W)

140 126 Jesse, you looked like hell last night. Posted by: Countrysquire at September 30, 2013 02:13 PM (LSJmV) I looked like a free man -- with no job skills, no cv, and no money. Maybe, even no house depending how many months I was gone and didn't pay my taxes.

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 30, 2013 09:16 AM (T0Pku)

141 23 *clears throat* *limbers up a little bit stretch stretch stretch*


http://bit.ly/15GbSrB


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*points and points and points*


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

*rolls around in the schadenfreude*

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at September 30, 2013 01:53 PM (VtjlW

 

Don't laugh too much.  CNN probably figured they could help her more by being able to host a Republican Debate.

Posted by: buzzion at September 30, 2013 09:16 AM (LI48c)

142 Jones in CO,
 
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/09/i_will_not_comply.html
 
That's my stance.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 30, 2013 09:17 AM (wNF3N)

143 Ted Cruz is the Jack Reacher of senators. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And John McCain is the Jack Reacharound...

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 30, 2013 09:17 AM (LSJmV)

144  Is working now to undermine the House and Senate GOPs who have stood firm. He is now floating on the floor the possibility of a one-week CR.

Well... maybe so, maybe no. Depends on what he has in that "one week CR." See, it could just be another "See? It's not *us* who want a shutdown!"

Of course, this is Bitch McConnell, so that's unlikely, but I'm feeling optimistic what with getting ready to start a new job in #twoweeks.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 30, 2013 02:14 PM (/PCJa)

 

Never trust a turtle that wears glasses.

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 30, 2013 09:17 AM (nTgAI)

145
Ima gwan secund that opinyun

Posted by: Sphynx


GNOME I'M SAYIN'?

Posted by: OFA / MMFA / Troof Team [/i] [/b] at September 30, 2013 09:17 AM (ligos)

146 All you self employed Ogabe lovers (if any), who liked their catasatrophic plan because for a real cheap price you were covered for anything major, don't forget to canael that $100 a month plan and get in on the full coverage! Its the law of the land, sucker!

Posted by: UWP at September 30, 2013 09:17 AM (vj51i)

147 Sarah Palin still walks free after shooting all those people. She's like the Nazi SS in many ways.

Posted by: New Tone Loc at September 30, 2013 09:17 AM (Ks4nX)

148 No. Proofreaders don't work for free.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at September 30, 2013 02:11 PM (fwARV)

 

I proofread parts of my sister's doctoral thesis, and I did it for free.

 

WTF?  She owes me backpay!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:18 AM (4df7R)

149 What a dick.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at September 30, 2013 09:18 AM (4p5/2)

150 If women had more seats at the table, it wouldn’t be like this.

Dunno, there's already way too much crying and backstabbing and bitching.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at September 30, 2013 09:19 AM (/kI1Q)

151 133 McConnell has the spine of a jellyfish.

Probably heard he wouldn't get an invite to Nancy Pelosi's hot tub party if he didn't cooperate.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 02:15 PM (zF6Iw)


So what do you suppose Nancy wears in the hot tub...or maybe you don't want that mental image?

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2013 09:19 AM (RD7QR)

152 Future revisions to the marketing text: Click to see where you can find Free healthcare Low-cost healthcare Affordable healthcare Available healthcare Any healthcare

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 09:19 AM (qyfb5)

153 Perhaps Obama could do a health lottery every week where Very Ill folks can buy tickets and their Healthcare funds could be awarded!

we can watch it 'Live' , and root for those we like most!

enter the lottery FREE  BC !FREE vasectomy's! FREE Diabetes medication! FREE Abortions!

look  at how fun this will BE!

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 09:19 AM (nqBYe)

154 68 Chuck Todd, believe it or not, is up Carney's ass Nothing surprises me anymore.

Posted by: Caliban at September 30, 2013 09:19 AM (DrC22)

155 The nonstop spending fights are hurting families. Show me one.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 09:19 AM (659DL)

156 If you like me you can keep me.

Posted by: Dr. Weldon Shitpanski at September 30, 2013 09:20 AM (wAQA5)

157 if you do not have insurance I believe the fine/tax is 95 dollars, or 2 percent of your income.  No one will enroll

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:20 AM (zOTsN)

158 Dems win. House bill dies on the floor. How much of that do you suppose was influenced by the crack in the party shown by McConnell?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:20 AM (DmNpO)

159 Anyone and everyone who is in the field of health care knew almost everything they said about obamadeath was complete and utter bullshit. Only an idiot would believe the shit they were shoveling

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 09:21 AM (1RQeV)

160 158. Damn that George bush for killing the vote!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 09:21 AM (fmjNz)

161 Saw Carol Costello anchor a piece this morning on CNN about how the govt shutdown is going to hurt all these services, etc, military pay will be deferred, CDC won't be able to warn and track the flu this winter, etc.

Soo-o-o full of smug she made me want to reach in to the TV and . . .    But I'm not a violent person.


Posted by: Sphynx at September 30, 2013 09:21 AM (OZmbA)

162

I don't have insurance. What should I do tomorrow?


Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 02:09 PM (8sCoq)

 

Pay the penalty. Coast until you need it.

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2013 02:10 PM (GQ8sn)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

That's what's so insidious about this law.  Either way a person chooses, it enables  the destruction of  private insurance care.

 

Insurance companies will collapse sooner than we think.  

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 09:21 AM (gURHd)

163 Well... maybe so, maybe no. Depends on what he has in that "one week CR." See, it could just be another "See? It's not *us* who want a shutdown!" Yeah, I'm thinking that, too. Basically, the GOP will be flailing, trying to do whatever they can to look like they're avoiding the shutdown. And good for them. It's tough to win when the refs are on the other side.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:22 AM (T0NGe)

164 #151 Yes, we want that image! When all else fails, there is always free internet porn. Go to your public library.

Posted by: torabora at September 30, 2013 09:22 AM (FYJXG)

165 Distressed by a sudden and unexpected increase in your health insurance costs? We can help. We have successfully managed many union retirement and pension funds for decades. Let us manage your health insurance.

All you need is proof of employment, or proof of unemployment insurance coverage, a photo ID and valid/current address.

Our stores are open 24/7 and most are co-located with PayCheck/Payday Loan offices nationwide. We have money, it can be yours with just a signature.

Call or stop bye today. Don't lose your health insurance, don't lose sleep. We only want to help YOU!

Posted by: Abraham Lincloni-Owiti and friends at September 30, 2013 09:22 AM (0tf8k)

166 101 I don't have insurance. What should I do tomorrow? Same nothing I'm planning to do.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at September 30, 2013 09:23 AM (4p5/2)

167 The nonstop spending fights are hurting families.

Show me one.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 02:19 PM (659DL)


well how do you think we feel when spending fights are occurring and we can''t just write blank checks.

perhaps we have to take it out on our families .

Posted by: Biden at September 30, 2013 09:23 AM (nqBYe)

168 Want to get a sick feeling, quick? - check out a post by Redglen at 2:14PM on the Hotair post on the AP Fact Check.  Claims that most doctors/hospitals will go out of business post October 1, 2014, as a result of a government coding initiative which will delay payments.

Posted by: tofer732 at September 30, 2013 09:23 AM (z3MpN)

169 I proofread parts of my sister's doctoral thesis, and I did it for free. WTF? She owes me backpay! I proofread my wife's ProTeach documents. She received her cert. I'm a hero!

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2013 09:23 AM (yETln)

170 If you're going to straight up lie, can you at least invest in a fucking proofreader? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:05 PM (4df7R) Ah tried to hire a proofreader once, but she didn't know what to do with a caret.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 30, 2013 09:23 AM (DrC22)

171 Remember how we found out the whole Boston Bomber family was on taxpayer-funded lifestyles, even after the event, even after leaving the country? This is how we pay for all that. Massive, crushing taxes and limits on benefits for everyone else.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 09:23 AM (qyfb5)

172 final vote: 54 to 46

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:23 AM (DmNpO)

173 Probably heard he wouldn't get an invite to Nancy Pelosi's hot tub party if he didn't cooperate.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 02:15 PM (zF6Iw)

 

I just think about all those hot tub parties at Helen Thomas' place I never got invited to and cry. I had my Speedos ready to go and everything.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at September 30, 2013 09:23 AM (5iuEW)

174 Don't worry. My O loving co-workers are sure that indeed, the cost of health care will go down, even though numbers put it at a 166% increase.

/they are also pleased that their ration of chocolate has been increased from 2 oz to 1 oz.

Posted by: shibumi at September 30, 2013 09:23 AM (25HWz)

175 What was nanny p muttering about when she said "a wolf in wolf's clothing".  I keep hearing the quote everywhere.


Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 09:24 AM (Nx76m)

176 final vote: 54 to 46 The Dems are gravely miscalculating here. Of this, I am certain.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 09:24 AM (659DL)

177

"If we ever needed a reminder why we need more women in Congress, we’re getting it now:



The nonstop spending fights are hurting families.



There’s an explanation for these fights: Congress is made up of only 18% women. If women had more seats at the table, it wouldn’t be like this."



 

Posted by: mallfly at September 30, 2013 02:16 PM (bJm7W)

 

 

*SEETHE*

 

*SEEEEEEETHE*

 

I think we all know my... feelings... regarding so-called women   and their alleged  snowflake status, based    solely on     the fact that they have two X chromosomes, ovaries, and a slot in which to take a dick.   I do not think any of   you want to hear    the mindthoughs I am having right now    in regards to this    puling   sop   from   Gilliwba;lkerrand or however the fuck it spells its name,   having the GALL to talk about how this "harms families"    as if she gives two flying fucks about families.  

 

You know what harms families, you    vag stank whore?    Butchering the unborn, THAT harms families.   But you'd call me   a monster for daring to say that, wouldn't you?  

 

You can join the other vaginas in hell for all I care,   you worthless shitstain yeast infection.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:24 AM (4df7R)

178 if you do not have insurance I believe the fine/tax is 95 dollars, or 2 percent of your income. No one will enroll *** The charts I've seen show that it rises significantly about three years into the program. That means they held off on the worst impacts until after the elections.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:24 AM (DmNpO)

179 so did that fraud Manchin go against what he said last week?

Posted by: tofer732 at September 30, 2013 09:25 AM (z3MpN)

180 Whatever happens, people, we should not all call these exchanges tomorrow. They might be really busy. We shouldn't call to ask some trivial question regarding the fines or exchange plans.

We certainly shouldn't take up a lot of their time asking how the information taken on the call will not be subject to HIPAA restrictions.

Nor would I recommend asking the representative whether or not they've signed up for an ACA plan.

And whatever you do, people, don't call multiple times tomorrow. 'Cause, racism.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 30, 2013 09:25 AM (ligos)

181

Political debate is insufferable because the right is only interested in name-calling rather than real solutions for working families.

 

Also, Rand Paul wants to poison your drinking water.

Posted by: New Tone Loc at September 30, 2013 09:25 AM (Ks4nX)

182 Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2013 02:19 PM (RD7QR)

You will burn for that imagery. You will burn and I will laugh.

Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 30, 2013 09:25 AM (uvaJ1)

183 How much of that do you suppose was influenced by the crack in the party shown by McConnell? None. Everybody knows the GOP will cave at some point. Reid thinks he's going to win this one. Nothing will change his mind.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:25 AM (T0NGe)

184 All 46 Rs voted aye? Way to pull the team together McConnell!

Posted by: Countrysquire at September 30, 2013 09:25 AM (LSJmV)

185 The nonstop spending fights are hurting families. Show me one. 100 bucks says they could find someone, but they'd be on the program fraudulently. They'd also be a Democrat activist.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2013 09:26 AM (yETln)

186 McConnell's one-week CR will require unanimous consent. He has now set up Cruz and Company to look like the ones shutting down the govt.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:26 AM (DmNpO)

187 Can't the house effectively pass a budget funding only a quarter of the government?  This way they aren't closing down the whole government, just the excess?   Make sure the government doesn't shut down, that there is money to run everything but not full tilt.  That would put the Senate in an interesting position.

But the House doesn't seem to want to think out of the box.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 09:26 AM (Nx76m)

188

so they stood together.  good

 

let the dems own it

 

own it all

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:26 AM (zOTsN)

189 186 McConnell's one-week CR will require unanimous consent. The conservatives' true enemy may have revealed himself, yet again.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at September 30, 2013 09:27 AM (4p5/2)

190 if you do not have insurance I believe the fine/tax is 95 dollars, or 2 percent of your income. No one will enroll Posted by: thunderb
........
1% the first year.  2% the second year, and, I believe 2.5% thereafter.

But most insurers on the exchanges will be bankrupt by then.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 09:27 AM (f9c2L)

191 If they shut down the government, will anyone notice?

Posted by: Guy Who Asks Perplexing Questions at September 30, 2013 09:27 AM (DrC22)

192 "Obamacare for EVERYONE or NO ONE." Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 02:10 PM (zF6Iw) Aside from the bankruptcy issue regardless of everyone "participating" -- even were Congress and those granted exemptions all returned to the "all for one" participation fold -- Congress/Potus would always scale favoritism for what they pay/get vs. what we pay/get at the opposite end of the mandate. The IRS enforcer is already fixed against rule of law.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 09:27 AM (MhA4j)

193 175 What was nanny p muttering about when she said "a wolf in wolf's clothing". I keep hearing the quote everywhere. Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 02:24 PM (Nx76m) curious, obamacare defunding resolution

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at September 30, 2013 09:27 AM (8InM1)

194 Ghostbusters was on last night.

Gonna be 30 years old next year.

Yup.

Anyway, remember how it was an easy joke to make fun of the pencilneck from the EPA in that movie?

Now? That asshole is running your healthcare and everything else in your life.

I'm all in for Chaos.

I'd rather chance living in a tent than life in the United Leftist Utopia.


Posted by: RoyalOil at September 30, 2013 09:28 AM (VjL9S)

195 Phinn's healthcare plan in the era of ObamaCare --

1. A box of cut-rate generic Band-Aids, most of which haven't even been used yet,
2. A bottle of rubbing alcohol and some cotton balls (Note to self: Do not drink rubbing alcohol),
3. Aspirin crust removed from the shelf in the medicine cabinet (for emergencies only),
4. A bottle of hand sanitizer stolen from one of the end cap displays at Home Depot,
5. A book on home remedies that I fished out of the dumpster behind the library (has all kinds of handy drawings on improvised splints made from sticks and twine).

I'm ready, bitches. 

Posted by: Phinn at September 30, 2013 09:28 AM (oFH2D)

196 The charts I've seen show that it rises significantly about three years into the program. That means they held off on the worst impacts until after the elections.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 02:24 PM (DmNpO)

 

Yep.. this is the only reason I can think of the Republicans wanting to push it back a year. Maybe they want it more focused on the 16" election ? Mehh, probably overthinking it.

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 30, 2013 09:28 AM (nTgAI)

197 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:24 PM (4df7R) Gee, maybe we should have made a woman Vice President or something. This woman talk is so transparent and pathetic. It's like in 2004, when the one thing the country needed was a war "hero" as president. But not in 2008. Not at all. Totes different.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:28 AM (T0NGe)

198 The charts I've seen show that it rises significantly about three years into the program. That means they held off on the worst impacts until after the elections. If it hasn't crashed & burned by then.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 30, 2013 09:28 AM (GjYxB)

199 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:24 PM (4df7R)

I want to simultaneously calm you down and wind you up.

It's going to be alright, MWR {pats head gently}.

But really they are jerks, when you think about it. Living that lavish lifestyle and preaching to us like that. You and I both know they don't care about you, me or "women".

{pats head again}

Posted by: MegaIndependento at September 30, 2013 09:29 AM (uvaJ1)

200 Can't the house effectively pass a budget funding only a quarter of the government? This way they aren't closing down the whole government, just the excess? Make sure the government doesn't shut down, that there is money to run everything but not full tilt. That would put the Senate in an interesting position.

But the House doesn't seem to want to think out of the box.
Posted by: knowledge is power
.............
Where have you been?  The House passed a budget funding everything EXCEPT Obamacare.. the Senate laughed and threw it in the wastebasket.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 09:29 AM (f9c2L)

201 no one will enroll.  If caught they would rather pay the tiny fee/tax than the huge premiums and/or deductibles.  They will only enroll after a heath crisis.  Private Insurance will go bankrupt.  The end.

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:29 AM (zOTsN)

202 Hmm.. oh wait..  Didn't we all scream and yell at what an obvious lie this was when Barry the Destroyer was saying this crap? 

Yeah... but we were 'racists' for bringing that up then.

Now, well yeah of COURSE you were right.

ok then.  Good to know we live in opposite land.  Very good for the psyche...

And I thought this was the source of my chest pains! I'm just a racist! ha

Posted by: Kroger Mcbongload at September 30, 2013 09:29 AM (tO9ut)

203 >>>Want to get a sick feeling, quick? - check out a post by Redglen at 2:14PM on the Hotair post on the AP Fact Check. Claims that most doctors/hospitals will go out of business post October 1, 2014, as a result of a government coding initiative which will delay payments.

Posted by: tofer732 at September 30, 2013 02:23 PM (z3MpN)

 

............ICD-10? Hospitals had years to get their shit together and apparently couldn't do it. Too busy cheerleading the ACA I guess.

Posted by: Paul at September 30, 2013 09:29 AM (JM48I)

204 At this point I don't know how the GOP gets itself out of this mess.

I know exactly what I'd do if I were Harry Reid- nothing.  Wait for the GOP to fold, further exploiting the divisions within the party.

If that means some government employees see their paychecks delayed for a week, so be it.

But if I were in Boehner's shoes?  I just don't know.  The base won't be satisfied by anything short of the impossible, and Reid has little reason to give in at all.

At best he can maybe get some small, token concession to save face while trying to convince an increasingly implacable the base that they put up a fight.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 09:29 AM (SY2Kh)

205 Did you guys hear that incredible bullshit Rush read from  Bloomberg editorial?  The essence is that whereas the elites know what is best for us and we're too damn dumb to know, it doesn't really matter if the public approves of Obamacare or not.  This, of course, applies to many other issues as well.  Immigration, stimulus spending etc. et6c. etc.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 30, 2013 09:30 AM (XUKZU)

206 What was nanny p muttering about when she said "a wolf in wolf's clothing". I keep hearing the quote everywhere. Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 02:24 PM (Nx76m) Because people who would like to *not* bankrupt the entire country and force everyone into a spiral into national poverty are like ravening creatures of legendary children's stories that will eat you. Or some other insane blather from Nanny Botox.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 09:31 AM (qyfb5)

207 If they shut down the government, will anyone notice? Posted by: Guy Who Asks Perplexing Questions at September 30, 2013 02:27 PM (DrC22) Since it will not be shutdown and there will be baseball playoffs, football, and a new television season...nope.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 09:31 AM (659DL)

208 2. A bottle of rubbing alcohol and some cotton balls (Note to self: Do not drink rubbing alcohol), Use EverClear. Rubbing alcohol does bad things to skin & wounds.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 30, 2013 09:31 AM (GjYxB)

209 Yeah... but we were 'racists' for bringing that up then. Now, well yeah of COURSE you were right. Back then they didn't even think of the possibility we were right. It was unthinkable, an untruth. Now? Doesn't matter that we were right. We have to live with it and move on. Don't mention it, it's gauche.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2013 09:32 AM (yETln)

210 if you do not have insurance I believe the fine/tax is 95 dollars, or 2 percent of your income. No one will enroll

Straighten me out here but are we also subject to the same fine tax for having insurance that is not "qualified"?  Did any of you guys working for big over 50 companies get a notice to the effect that your employer provided insurance qualifies?


Posted by: SpongeBobSaget[/i] at September 30, 2013 09:33 AM (epxV4)

211 You can join the other vaginas in hell for all I care, you worthless shitstain yeast infection. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:24 PM (4df7R) Well that was impressive.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 09:33 AM (da5Wo)

212 Private Insurance will go bankrupt. Not really. We still have insurance for a ton of other things. The whole industry won't die, they'll just stop with health insurance. And insurance will start right up again if there's a demand.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 09:33 AM (T0NGe)

213 187. Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 02:26 PM (Nx76m) at present, you're ignorant. As knowledge is only power when knowledge is LEARNED and APPLIED, go to it. The House has been passing all sorts of [budget] bills for the Senate to approve. Harry Magpie Reid acts like a kleptomaniac, hoarding House bills in cold storage, never to see the light of the Senate for a vote.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 09:33 AM (MhA4j)

214
I am totes getting incredibly sick and tired of the whole "totes" phrase.

Does Obamacare cover social media anxiety disorder?

Posted by: Sphynx at September 30, 2013 09:33 AM (OZmbA)

215 I love MWR like I love fire and high winds. Not necessarily at the same time but we'll see how mad she gets.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 09:33 AM (qyfb5)

216 Sure, you can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor, your premiums will go down by 3,000%, the average family's premiums will cost $2,500 less per year, illegal aliens won't get Obamacare, and Obamacare won't add one dime to the deficit. To quote Joe Wilson: YOU LIE!

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at September 30, 2013 09:33 AM (/sohm)

217 Costa reporting that when this goes back to the House, they will volley back with the Vitter amendment.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:34 AM (DmNpO)

218 You can always tell when "white privilege" is talking .. it comes straight from the arse

Posted by: Unabomber at September 30, 2013 09:34 AM (e8kgV)

219

Gee, maybe we should have made a woman Vice President or something.

 

Ah, but Sarah Palin isn't a "woman."   So   sayeth the   Almighty Vaginas of Womynhood.   If you don't support a    vagina's "right" to kill her unborn baby up to and including the initial birth pangs, you aren't a woman.    If you don't support beggaring the country to pay unionized teachers to indoctrinate your children with Marxist    anti-American propaganda, you're not a woman.   If you don't slavishly fall to your knees and beg to suck the cockknob of the   Preezy of the United Steezy while being    groped by Filthy Filner    like a good little    sorority pledge,   you're not a woman.

 

I do not use the C-word lightly.   But I have never wanted to stalk up to a woman and call her a c*nt more passionately than I do right now.   And that's not just directed at Girlad;fliuawerydsafjband or whatever the fuck it names itself.  It's directed at anyone who has the gall to call themselves a human female     while   supporting anyone who    has a D next to their name.   *SPIT*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:34 AM (4df7R)

220 I'm a little confused how the GOP or somebody hasn't made  Reid the face of the shutdown.

Reid doesn't pass anything. Not a budget. Not most of what the House passes him...yet he get's a pass.

Why?

Why can't we make Reid Doctor No?

People get lost in the inside baseball of politics. But they understand simple themes.

No. No pudding for you because...Reid.

How hard is this campaign I just scripted for you GOP?

How hard?

Posted by: Marcus at September 30, 2013 09:34 AM (GGCsk)

221 "Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:24 PM"


How many times has The Horde cautioned you about holding back, and it's negative effects on your health?  Let the hate flow, young one...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 30, 2013 09:35 AM (knoK7)

222

All you need is proof of employment, or proof of unemployment insurance coverage, a photo ID and valid/current address.

 

 

But you don't need any of these things to vote, right lefties?  Cause racist...

Posted by: Havedash at September 30, 2013 09:35 AM (F0WNa)

223 Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 1m MT @ajconwashington: Rep Issa says House GOP will now try 1 year individual mandate delay + Vitter amendment The House has their back up! Stay strong!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:35 AM (DmNpO)

224 Straighten me out here but are we also subject to the same fine tax for having insurance that is not "qualified"? Did any of you guys working for big over 50 companies get a notice to the effect that your employer provided insurance qualifies?
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget
.............
There are no plans after 2014 that are not qualified.  ALL plans MUST offer the minimum coverages spelled out in ACA.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 09:35 AM (f9c2L)

225 And insurance will start right up again if there's a demand. Posted by: AmishDude at September 30, 2013 02:33 PM (T0NGe) Insurance will sell buffer policies to cover those things quickly which Obamacide denies/screws. Patients will pay for two policies to cover one treatment.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 09:36 AM (MhA4j)

226

Speaking of bending the cost curve, we have an exclusive - AFAIK the first actual renewal/Metal Plan #'s to hit the web:

 

http://preview.tinyurl.com/lo3dopa

Posted by: speedster1 at September 30, 2013 09:36 AM (v40Bj)

227

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 02:29 PM (SY2Kh)

 

The GOP is in a mess?  Why is that?  Its the Democrats that just defeated  the government funding bill.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 09:36 AM (m2CN7)

228 220 I'm a little confused how the GOP or somebody hasn't made Reid the face of the shutdown.

Reid doesn't pass anything. Not a budget. Not most of what the House passes him...yet he get's a pass.

Why?

Why can't we make Reid Doctor No?

People get lost in the inside baseball of politics. But they understand simple themes.

No. No pudding for you because...Reid.

How hard is this campaign I just scripted for you GOP?

How hard?

Posted by: Marcus at September 30, 2013 02:34 PM (GGCsk)




Now, now, we all want to be reasonable and collegial.

Posted by: Maverick McCain at September 30, 2013 09:36 AM (OZmbA)

229 Is it... Could it be... Might it be that the GOP is finally beginning to strategize? To come together on messaging?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:36 AM (DmNpO)

230 >So sayeth the Almighty Vaginas of Womynhood. <

You meant the "worn out leather pockets, spouting dust and cobwebs vaginas" didn't you?

Posted by: Marcus at September 30, 2013 09:36 AM (GGCsk)

231 The lying about Obamacare by Obama and co. was upsetting, but what made it worse was that they didn't even try to be convincing.

Seriously, who actually believed him when he said you could keep your plan, your doctor, and that it would cost less? For anyone in the MSM or politics to now be surprised by these lies is similarly insulting. Please.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 30, 2013 09:37 AM (vvueH)

232 208 2. A bottle of rubbing alcohol and some cotton balls (Note to self: Do not drink rubbing alcohol),

Use EverClear. Rubbing alcohol does bad things to skin & wounds.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 30, 2013 02:31 PM (GjYxB)


The Everclear is ... preoccupied at the moment with other obligations.


Besides, this what life is like under ObamaCare.  What's a little skin irritation/removal?  What do you expect?  Premium sanitation supplies?  Only the unions get those.  The rest of us make do. 


At least it's better than cleaning open wounds with the "wine" we were making out of rotten apples and brake fluid.  That stuff didn't turn out as well as I had hoped.

Posted by: Phinn at September 30, 2013 09:37 AM (oFH2D)

233 But you don't need any of these things to vote, right lefties? Cause racist... Posted by: Havedash at September 30, 2013 02:35 PM (F0WNa) Start loudly demanding access to all other government functions without ID. Because they aren't more important than voting. Monkeywrench the mofos.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 30, 2013 09:37 AM (qyfb5)

234 I think the GOP will stick together for the I year delay and abolishing the medical device tax.  Its the one thing they all agree on, including some dems.  So send it right back.  Lets keep this hot potato going

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:37 AM (zOTsN)

235 Why can't we make Reid Doctor No?

People get lost in the inside baseball of politics. But they understand simple themes.


True, but it doesn't matter how good your message is if there exists no messenger to deliver it.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 09:37 AM (SY2Kh)

236 Nancy Pelosi, 2013: I never promised you a rose garden Nancy Pelosi, 2010: YOU'RE ALL GETTIN' A ROSE GARDEN! Hybrid Tea Roses have always been one of my favorites to plant. How apropos.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 30, 2013 09:37 AM (IXrOn)

237 Latest from AP...

Of course we have credibility, even though we have lied and carried water for the Obama Administration over the past 5 years.  Yes, we lied and buried negative stories in order to get Barack Obama re-elected in November 2012...but you can trust us now....we've just told you the truth about the Affordable Care Act that passed three years ago.

We'll spend the rest of this week lying and spinning for the Administration by blaming any government shutdown on the GOP led House, but we've got credibility now because we told the truth in one story three + years too late.

Posted by: Athos at September 30, 2013 09:38 AM (SNaPm)

238 How hard is this campaign I just scripted for you GOP?

How hard?

Posted by: Marcus at September 30, 2013 02:34 PM (GGCsk)

 

When you have knuckleheads like Hollowpoint supposedly on your side   which  says this is the GOPs fault  how do you convince people not on your side? 

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2013 09:38 AM (m2CN7)

239 How many times has The Horde cautioned you about holding back, and it's negative effects on your health? Let the hate flow, young one...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 30, 2013 02:35 PM (knoK7)

 

I am honest-to-God thisclose   to   going  full    "Phil Specter"    and screaming out of my building.  

 

*"To go full Phil Specter"    = A condition that effects curly-haired people when they experience extreme    rage,   causing the follicles of the hair to stand straight up like a cat's fur   when angered.   In people with VERY curly hair, this leads to the "dandelion puff" effect, also known as the "Phil Specter."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:38 AM (4df7R)

240 I do not use the C-word lightly. But I have never wanted to stalk up to a woman and call her a c*nt more passionately than I do right now. And that's not just directed at Girlad;fliuawerydsafjband or whatever the fuck it names itself. It's directed at anyone who has the gall to call themselves a human female while supporting anyone who has a D next to their name. *SPIT* Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:34 PM (4df7R) Moar impressive.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 09:39 AM (da5Wo)

241 This all about taxing people so they will pay for other people's insurance/healthcare. Why make rich people who tend not to bother with insurance at all and just pay cash, be covered under obammycare?

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 30, 2013 09:39 AM (T0Pku)

242 204 At this point I don't know how the GOP gets itself out of this mess.
=======
Chaos.

Shutdown and see what happens.

Maybe good-30%; maybe bad--50%; nothing-20%.

But cave and avoid? No chance of good.

Tell me your odds.

How do I roll that? 'Cause if shutdown, bluff is called-R wins; if shutdown is nothing--R wins; if shutdown, Dem blamed-R wins.

Even if nothing gained, calling a bluff always helps the next hand.

The media tilts the scales for the Dems to benefit. There's a good counter there, opportunity, media will be scrambling for R's on the TV to bring on and blame--opportunity.

Chaos.


Posted by: RoyalOil at September 30, 2013 09:39 AM (VjL9S)

243 Mwr is kinda hawt when she's pissed

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 09:39 AM (E8hSa)

244 Did any of you guys working for big over 50 companies get a notice to the effect that your employer provided insurance qualifies?

I did.  It also told me I can still go to "the Marketplace" (which I guess is Brit for "exchanges") for insurance if I really want, but it will cost more and cover less than using their plan.

Have not yet gotten the letter that tells me how much more I will be paying than last year.

Posted by: HeatherRadish needs a beer at September 30, 2013 09:39 AM (/kI1Q)

245 Costa reporting that when this goes back to the House, they will volley back with the Vitter amendment.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 02:34 PM (DmNpO)

 

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

Just tell the dems in the senate that  they had their chance and they blew it. 

 

Shut it the fuck down.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 09:39 AM (gURHd)

246 #BlameHarryReid

Posted by: #WarOnWomyn at September 30, 2013 09:40 AM (e8kgV)

247 WTF? She owes me backpay!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:18 PM (4df7R)

With interest.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at September 30, 2013 09:40 AM (fwARV)

248 #BlameHarryReid

Posted by: #OccupyAnthonyWeiner'sShorts at September 30, 2013 09:41 AM (e8kgV)

249 Just tell the dems in the senate that they had their chance and they blew it. Shut it the fuck down. *** If they return the bill post-haste, then it will fall in the Senate's lap at the last minute.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:41 AM (DmNpO)

250 Well here's my investment plan. Offshore Health Plans, just like banking.

Start a little haven for top flight medical care. Somewhere in the Caribbean open and build the best medical facility in the world.

The serf's want to vote for Obama and have their bammycare? Let them have it. That and the Whooping Cough or other third world diseases they get standing in line for help.

Best part- make it tax deductible by structuring a "health care fund" or some other similar investment scheme.

Posted by: Marcus at September 30, 2013 09:41 AM (GGCsk)

251 Mwr is kinda hawt when she's pissed

Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 02:39 PM (E8hSa)

 

*blush*  

 

*fixes hair*    When it comes to my hot button issues, the Irish in me comes out.    Along with the NJ.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:42 AM (4df7R)

252 Athos@237,

That is exactly its calculus. Standard operating procedure.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 30, 2013 09:42 AM (eHIJJ)

253

The federal government in complete stasis.  I can only pray for such a miracle.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 09:42 AM (gURHd)

254 I don't know who it was, but at the Carney presser a little while ago, one of the reporters got Carney to say "he will not negotiate" about three times in a row.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:42 AM (DmNpO)

255 The GOP is in a mess? Why is that? Its the Democrats that just defeated the government funding bill.

In politics, perception is reality.

No way in hell will our side be able to convince the public at large that Senate Democrats- and not House Republicans- are primarily to blame for a shutdown.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 09:42 AM (SY2Kh)

256 243 Mwr is kinda hawt when she's pissed Posted by: Navycopjoe at September 30, 2013 02:39 PM (E8hSa) FIFA Posted by: Washington Nearsider at September 30, 2013 02:40 PM (fwARV) Holy shit you're alive. I was asking if anyone had seen you the other night on an ONT. I figured you were dried out husk in MWR's basement.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 09:42 AM (da5Wo)

257 >248 Cankles didn't want that docu made ..so she actually wins this round. <

Yeah I call bull on that. Hillary would sponsor date night at prison if she thought it would win a few votes or promote her.

Posted by: Marcus at September 30, 2013 09:43 AM (GGCsk)

258 158 Dems win. House bill dies on the floor.

How much of that do you suppose was influenced by the crack in the party shown by McConnell?

The vulnerable Senate Ds apparently feel they are not so vulnerable. Unless that changes, nothing defunding, delaying, or dismantling ObamaCare is going to pass the Senate.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 30, 2013 09:43 AM (YjDyJ)

259 If they shut down the government, will anyone notice?

***

Oh, they'll notice.  The MBM will make sure they do.  I remember in 1995 every other story on the nightly news Mr. Green Jeans makes his living by selling tourists pictures of themselves next to a life sized plastic Big Foot outside of Yellowstone Park but now that there is a governmental shutdown and the park is not open, there are no tourists.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 30, 2013 09:43 AM (XUKZU)

260 With interest.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at September 30, 2013 02:40 PM (fwARV)

 

Hmm...    I wonder if I could wheedle her into sending me a Nebraska post card as payment.  She still hasn't done it and I've asked!

 

And she's my sister, so I'll let the interest slide.   That'd require a   postcard from nebraska,    Missouri, AND Iowa.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:43 AM (4df7R)

261 "I figured you were dried out husk in MWR's basement.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 02:42 PM"


The Face-Sized Spider doesn't like competition, does he?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 30, 2013 09:44 AM (knoK7)

262 When it comes to my hot button issues... Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 30, 2013 02:42 PM (4df7R)

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 09:44 AM (da5Wo)

263 Not going to slam pixy with a wall of text, but gee oh fucking golly gee, we can't possible shut down these agencies.. http://tinyurl.com/oy69fdk AbilityOne Commission Access Board Administration for Children and Families (ACF) Administration for Native Americans Administration on Aging (AoA) Administration on Developmental Disabilities Administrative Conference of the United States Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts Advisory Council on Historic Preservation African Development Foundation Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) Agency for International Development (USAID) Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry Agricultural Marketing Service Agricultural Research Service That is just half of the 'A' section.

Posted by: RWC - Bring on O-Care at September 30, 2013 09:44 AM (fWAjv)

264 So they're voting to not fund the military? The repubs better run with this bit of winning.

Posted by: Soona at September 30, 2013 02:11 PM (gURHd)


If Republicans couldn't run with the Congressional exemption bit of winning, they won't this one.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 30, 2013 09:44 AM (p7BzH)

265 Where have you been? The House passed a budget funding everything EXCEPT Obamacare.. the Senate laughed and threw it in the wastebasket.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 02:29 PM (f9c2L)

No, what I mean is a budget that only funds about a third of government.  A new idea.  This way government can't shut down because to an extent, it's been funded, but, realistically.  They could call it the realistic budget or a true to life budget.  Or the reality show from the republicans, the life of the real budget as it should be.

Something else, something out of the box, something the dems aren't expecting.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 09:44 AM (Nx76m)

266 Holy shit you're alive. I was asking if anyone had seen you the other night on an ONT. I figured you were dried out husk in MWR's basement.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 30, 2013 02:42 PM (da5Wo)

 

*stomps foot*  I TOLD you, I make   sure to give him plenty of food and water!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:44 AM (4df7R)

267 Seriously, who actually believed him when he said you could keep your plan, your doctor, and that it would cost less? For anyone in the MSM or politics to now be surprised by these lies is similarly insulting. Please. I think they actually believed it because they've been told the same thing by their Professors and "smart" friends forever. That Canada HealthCare costs less and covers more. The "reason" was that greedy Insurance companies were scalping us with their unholy and impure profits. If you take out the profits and have the beneficent government handle that part it all costs less. You also get to talk to your doctor directly without the fog of expense hanging over you because "the rich" are paying for things. And of course "the rich" have trillions and trillions of dollars just sitting around in humadors and things. To the extent that they thought about it, they just focused anger against people who told them "no".

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2013 09:45 AM (yETln)

268

>>>No way in hell will our side be able to convince the public at large that Senate Democrats- and not House Republicans- are primarily to blame for a shutdown.

 

I'd prefer they take credit for it.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 09:45 AM (3ZtZW)

269

its hot potato

 

didn't anyone ever really play it?

 

the way to win is to not be the one holding it when time runes out

 

send it back ASAP

 

make them eat this shit sandwich

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:45 AM (zOTsN)

270 250 Well here's my investment plan. Offshore Health Plans, just like banking
===========
There's an opportunity for a state to rake in a shitload of revenue if they approve the sale of these OHP's.

Like:
OHP's are legal TX for payment of health care expense in the state of TX.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 30, 2013 09:45 AM (VjL9S)

271 Where have you been? The House passed a budget
funding everything EXCEPT Obamacare.. the Senate laughed and threw it in
the wastebasket.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 02:29 PM (f9c2L)

And the reason they can laugh as they do so is because House won't shut the gov't down. Or do anything drastic.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 30, 2013 09:45 AM (p7BzH)

272 I don't know who it was, but at the Carney presser a little while ago, one of the reporters got Carney to say "he will not negotiate" about three times in a row.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 02:42 PM (DmNpO)

 

"Don't call my bluff" - Barakahnaten the boy king

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 30, 2013 09:46 AM (nTgAI)

273

>>>figured you were dried out husk in MWR's basement.

 

Change nic to Bacalao

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (3ZtZW)

274

anytime the JEF says don't call my bluff, its a red line

 

its time to call his bluff, and run all over the red line

 

time to go full Putin

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (zOTsN)

275 Section 8 healthcare. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (32Ze2)

276 And the reason they can laugh as they do so is because House won't shut the gov't down. Or do anything drastic. *** they are already preparing their volley: another 1-yr delay AND Vitter. They are finally fighting.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (DmNpO)

277 Jennifer Granholm was on THis Week yesterday.. she kept going on and on about how Obama of course will negotiate.. wtf?

Geaorge Snuffaluffagus actually asked her why Obama is negotiating with Iran and not the Republicans!

She went totally in denial.. "of course he will negotiate!  And the Senate will negotiate.. "  What a scrunt..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 09:47 AM (f9c2L)

278 Barakahnaten the boy king *** Imagine the number of jobs that will be created when we start construction on that bastard's pyramid.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (DmNpO)

279 Noodle

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (4df7R)

280 Chaos.
Shutdown and see what happens.
Maybe good-30%; maybe bad--50%; nothing-20%.
But cave and avoid? No chance of good.

Tell me your odds.


Depends on how you define "good", and how long they (the GOP) would be willing to maintain a shutdown.

The way I score it?

Minor concession by the Dems: 49.5%
GOP gets nothing of consequence, forced to fold: 49.5%
Dems fold, agree to one year full Obamacare delay: 1%



Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (SY2Kh)

281 In politics, perception is reality.

No way in hell will our side be able to convince the public at large that Senate Democrats- and not House Republicans- are primarily to blame for a shutdown.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 30, 2013 02:42 PM (SY2Kh)

 

 

 

So the media's perception of us must dictate our actions?    How can we ever win then?   Lead, follow, or get out of the way.   Are we fighting for our way of life here, or running for prom queen?

Posted by: Havedash at September 30, 2013 09:48 AM (F0WNa)

282

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!   Not  the  mohair  subsidy!  We  can't  live  without  that.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at September 30, 2013 09:49 AM (rXcBX)

283 hollowpoint what. would. you. do.

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:49 AM (zOTsN)

284 the medical device tax I wouldn't have supported the tax. But why should OUR protest vs. public mandate to purchase Obamacide get translated by the GOP into rescinding the medical device tax? Goppers will "win" the battle to tax medical devices, benefiting a particularly industry, and drop the fight against the Mandate, harming the whole point. The only reason Obamacide is called "the law of the land" is because of Congress in the FIRST place. Obama and Roberts wouldn't have had any say in the matter, and WON'T have any say in the matter so long as that law does not get funded, and eventually, via new congressional session/elections, gets repealed along with the other laws that made medical treatment become unaffordable in the first place, benefiting big business at the expense of small business, even simply with regards to the insurance industry affordability of policies. No MORE, No NEW taxes or programs. Every "comprehensive legislative reform package" is just another dissolution of Constitutional Governance, replaced with authoritarianism. Cut government size. Cut spending. Cut taxes. C3 No Shit

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 09:50 AM (MhA4j)

285 The script is written.  The House has to pull a fast one on harry and his hendersons and re write the script.  Even if they have to hire writers.  Then they have to start saying really bizaree stuff, like the dems say.  This will throw the dems completely off balance and the American people aren't paying attention anyway.  Besides, think of the scrambling in newsrooms when they go off script.  People will freak the heck out.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 09:50 AM (Nx76m)

286 Or the reality show from the republicans, the life of the real budget as it should be.Something else, something out of the box, something the dems aren't expecting.
Posted by: knowledge is power
..........
Whatever.. Reid still shit cans it and the press doesn't report the details.  Winning!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (f9c2L)

287 276 they are already preparing their volley: another 1-yr delay AND Vitter.

They should pass it close to midnight.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 30, 2013 09:51 AM (YjDyJ)

288

stop living and dying by what the press says

 

fer fucks sake

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:52 AM (zOTsN)

289 Everyone has a countdown clock on their fb page.  the dems/libs/lefties are all excited at the prospect of the government shutting down, otherwise, why all the countdown clocks?

I guess the plan is to shut the government down and blame it wholly on the republicans, the final knife in the republican party coffin.  Why are the republicans allowing them to do this.  Fight back republicans.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 09:54 AM (Nx76m)

290 they are already preparing their volley: another 1-yr delay AND Vitter.

They are finally fighting.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 30, 2013 02:47 PM (DmNpO)


Sure, but what happens when Reid says no? Will they *then* do the shut down? I mean, I'm not seeing any incentive for Reid to agree to anything, unless he wants it anyway. And if the Republicans are giving him something he wants up front.... uhh why??

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 30, 2013 09:55 AM (p7BzH)

291 No way in hell will our side be able to convince the public at large [ ... ] == You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink. So? There's no way in hell the true record will convince lamebrains (who refuse to think, but only absorb familiar propaganda) of reality. So? WE don't get to drink water, because they won't? Hardly. WE don't get to excel because they won't? Because THEY say so? Pfft

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 09:56 AM (MhA4j)

292

if Reid doesn't pass something, he is the one technically shutting it down.  Its hot potato.  Doesn't matter

 

the JEF wont even change things that the dems want too

 

so lets do this thing

Posted by: thunderb at September 30, 2013 09:57 AM (zOTsN)

293  so twitter; Obama and Reid won't Fund ANY govt services!
sorry! poor folks waiting for their ebt, sorry SS payments, Sorry military!

isn't that how it should be done?
isn't that what they do?

Posted by: Biden at September 30, 2013 09:59 AM (nqBYe)

294 i do like how people will say perceptions as if WE  are allowed to change perceptions with the Meida actively assisting Progressive D

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2013 10:00 AM (nqBYe)

295 Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 02:56 PM (MhA4j)

Wow, learn something new everyday.  I thought it was "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him put on a bathing suit"

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 10:03 AM (Nx76m)

296 KG A life spent trying to please the likes of Reid, basing one's one life decisions on what Reid wants or doesn't want, is pathetic. We're not the brats throwing a temper tantrum. Look to Obama and the Democrats to see the ugly abuses of language, from the Senate Floor, "the teabagging Tea Party people"... and the Democrat Pelosi Policy that no one can read a bill until after the bill is passed into a law. We are the adults, refusing to accept the onus that lays ENTIRELY on the Democrat Majority. They built Obamacide by having locked Republican members of committees out of committee meetings, and by having denied Republicans time on the House/Senate floor to discuss the inaffordable vs. affordable means of lowering the costs of medical treatment in America. And even the congressional vote that passed Obamacide did not follow proper congressional protocol. Even Roberts as Chief Justice had to lie in order to determine Obamacide FEES as TAX. The entire "mandate purchase" is an abomination. Government programs are already rife with corruption and fraud. Obamacide will do for medical treatment what The Patriot Act DHS did for constitutional governance. Death to America This round, everyone's ass is on the line.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:08 AM (MhA4j)

297 Obama and Reid won't Fund ANY govt services! sorry! poor folks waiting for their ebt, sorry SS payments, Since that is not possible, it's already bullshit.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 30, 2013 10:09 AM (659DL)

298 295 Well, you can't teach a pig to dance.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:09 AM (MhA4j)

299 @8 - They are not afraid of government when it's mailing them a damn check every month.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at September 30, 2013 10:16 AM (vg8iE)

300 Fear Mongering Counter deception with truth. Slam home how much your neighbor will be shelling out financially, in liberty, and in lost medical quality. There is no means to sue the government for services poorly rendered. Years before Obama won election, federal law was passed denying the right to sue for damages to patients who suffer negative side effects from government policy mandate, health care providers, pharmaceutical industry... Again, that one took bipartisan shared values to vote earmark into federal law.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 10:17 AM (MhA4j)

301 Thanks for telling us you traitorous media fucks! A few years too late you pieces of shit!

Posted by: Dan at September 30, 2013 10:27 AM (m3gf3)

302 Here in Los Angeles, Cedar Sinai, a nationally-known hospital, sent out a mailing to its patients and clients advising them to keep their private health care if they could possibly afford it... because Cedar Sinai will NOT be participating in the CA exchanges.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 30, 2013 10:34 AM (MT+EB)

303 OT, for anyone who's been following his adventures: Ghost the kitten is out of his cone-collar, with his regular vet's blessing. He is a lot happier, and already a lot cleaner.

Posted by: Empire1 at September 30, 2013 11:18 AM (CuJyF)

304 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY KATHLEEN SEBELIUS: "The big employers are already in the market. Their plans won't change, and actually that's one thing that we need to remind everybody. If you have insurance with your employer that you like, if it works for you, if your employer is a state or city government, a large employer, if you're in Medicare, if you have veteran's benefits, your patient protections are already in place. Nothing changes in this new market." — CNN, Thursday. I work for a big employer who provides my health insurance. I just got an email today from my health insurance provider that informed me my coverage would change in 2014 because of ObamaCare. How much it would change, they wouldn't say. But it would change and ObamaCare is the reason.

Posted by: Tantor at September 30, 2013 12:43 PM (659DL)

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