January 08, 2010

AP: Despite the Dismal Jobs Report, There Still Is Good Hope For Optimi-- You Know What? This Is Just Awful and We Can't Spin It Otherwise
— Ace

Gibbs fielded a "double-dip recession" question today. He would not answer it (wisely, actually). But that's out there.

Obama's policies are deepening, not diminishing, the recession. And even his biggest fellatists in the media can't pretend differently.

Innocent Bystanders continues to graph the disaster:

jobs-chart.jpg

That's the shrinking US workforce, as millions of jobs are eliminated and millions more workers remove themselves from the workforce entirely by just giving up.

As you can see, the line appears to mostly follow a straight-line path downward. There is no graceful easing at its terminus.

Posted by: Ace at 10:45 AM | Comments (256)
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1 You know, as a guy who's been out of work for a looooooooong time now, I just cannot look at these stories and graphs.  It's too painful, and I just cannot afford to despair.

There simply has to be work again at some point.

Posted by: Kensington at January 08, 2010 10:47 AM (LIH4p)

2 I was going to comment but didn't want to be first, since I really shouldn't be screwing around.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 08, 2010 10:48 AM (DIYmd)

3 Ok, now I can say that that chart should always be next to an unemployment chart because of how unemployment is calculated in the U-3 we always hear about.  But the U-6 at 17.3% is closer to the truth.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 08, 2010 10:51 AM (DIYmd)

4 Thanks 52%'ers.

Posted by: CDR M at January 08, 2010 10:53 AM (cvmTR)

5 I think Obama deserves a B+ for his expansion of funemployment.

Posted by: Methos at January 08, 2010 10:54 AM (Xsi7M)

6 And yet I remember the MFM berating Bush when unemployment was at 5%  - which was essentially full employment. I really, really hate the media.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 08, 2010 10:54 AM (v/rEn)

7

Is that the total unedited number of jobs or is thazt the “seasonbly adjusted” number of jobs. I used to think you could trust these numbers better than the actual unemployment numbers but then I faound they have “adjusted” these as well.

 

Just like the AGW numbers they tinker with them to make it suit their needs. You can’t trust a single things these lying weasels tell you anymore.

 

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2010 10:55 AM (QrA9E)

8

Also, consumer credit is cratering - this is disasterous for a quick recovery. Bad times ahead for sure.

Posted by: markytom at January 08, 2010 10:55 AM (A/vkv)

9 Amazing that, how even in good times, so few people out of 300 million actually work.  Can over half the country really be retired, in school or independently wealthy or do we just have that many loafers?

Posted by: YT at January 08, 2010 10:55 AM (8NiWI)

10 Looming trouble sparked into a full panic during election season. Wishlist of pure crap having nothing to do with any actual stimulous - because the expectation was that the panic would just end now that the lemmings aren't actually being pushed.

Morons-in-charge.

Posted by: Al at January 08, 2010 10:56 AM (0lyUI)

11

Can't we see where this is all going for Barry?  His jackals in the media and left are already setting up the meme that evil conservatives set upon him to ruin his presidency and bring him down at any cost--much like they said about Clinton.  As if they laid off we'd all be in wine and roses now.  It ain't gonna work, but they're gonna try

Posted by: slade at January 08, 2010 10:57 AM (XsHAM)

12 If I wanted to wreck the country I'd be pretty pleased at how things are going.

Hypothetically of course.

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 08, 2010 10:57 AM (yUybe)

13 The honest view of the employment picture would be employed people per capita. If you're not looking for a job then the job market isn't good enough for you to come off the sidelines which is as import an indicator as anything else. Have no idea where the series to create this number could reliably be found.

Posted by: epv at January 08, 2010 10:57 AM (88W5j)

14

I remember falling asleep in college classes while I was taking notes.  That's exactly what I would see when I woke up.

Posted by: ATaLien at January 08, 2010 10:57 AM (SkRi5)

15

I suppose the old standby "jobs created or saved" saw rings just a bit hollow at this point.

It was working so well, at least until people figured out that it was the climate scientists putting together the data.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at January 08, 2010 10:58 AM (r1h5M)

16 Chu Do Wi Ca So Hanti Ya Chebin Do.

Posted by: Hunan Resources at January 08, 2010 10:58 AM (I30wK)

17

You know what's funny? I was just commenting at the previous thread and noticed my comments were showing up rapid-fire, with few or no other comments in between.

That's a sure sign that a newer post is up.

But you really know a comments thread is dead when the ugh boots and wigs people show up.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at January 08, 2010 10:58 AM (2QFX4)

18 When the prices go up up up...
And the values go down down down....

A high five to anyone who knows where this comes from.

Posted by: ParisParamus at January 08, 2010 10:59 AM (NPtVh)

19

Turn the chart upside down and it doesn't look so bad.

 

Posted by: Dirk Diggler at January 08, 2010 10:59 AM (Ai8JW)

20

BREAKING:  The Obama Administration is taking emergency measures to get a longer chart.

Posted by: Cicero at January 08, 2010 10:59 AM (QKKT0)

21

All this just needs that Christina Romer's power point graph and her big fat mug to clear things up.

 

/sorry for people really looking for jobs

Posted by: always right at January 08, 2010 10:59 AM (FcKXR)

22 I saw some dumb liberal -- an adult accountant, no less -- on a message board today complaining about Fox News because they had talked about the 17% unemployment figure.  He was completely mystified as to how that figure was arrived at and certain that Fox was just doing it to spread lies.

Posted by: Kensington at January 08, 2010 10:59 AM (LIH4p)

23 Give me an hour with this data .

Posted by: Michael Mann at January 08, 2010 10:59 AM (cx4Ll)

24

Have no fear Barry the creator and saver of jobs has a solution!

WASHINGTON – After a disappointing new unemployment report, President Barack Obama pushed on Friday for an expanded government program he said would help create tens of thousands of new clean-technology jobs.

"It's clear why such an effort is so important. Building a robust clean energy sector is how we will create the jobs of the future, jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced," Obama said at the White House.

It came as Obama sought to pivot back to the domestic economy after two weeks of being riveted to the Christmas Day bombing attempt.

Pivot away Barry. Pivot away.

"The road to recovery is never straight," Obama said, although he added that the trend is pointing in the right direction.

Figures released Friday showed unemployment stubbornly stuck at 10 percent. At the same time, more people were giving up in the search for jobs.

The right direction? Straight to hell is the right direction?

Posted by: TheQuietman at January 08, 2010 10:59 AM (1Jaio)

25
Yessssss!

Posted by: Cloward and Pliven at January 08, 2010 11:01 AM (fx8sm)

26 he added that the trend is pointing in the right direction.

So now we know Obama's destination.

Posted by: toby928 at January 08, 2010 11:02 AM (PD1tk)

27 That chart looks good to me.

Posted by: Gov. David Paterson at January 08, 2010 11:02 AM (pfStM)

28
I blew my economy-rant load earlier today.

Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 08, 2010 11:03 AM (jVldi)

29 The job market is seriously post-apocalyptic out there.  Like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

Hell, Worse than Thunderdome.  At least Tina Turner kept a solid economy based on harvesting pig farts, there.  We got nothin', man.


Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at January 08, 2010 11:03 AM (YMZjg)

30 I loved McCain's comments today about Obamanomics essentially trying to bankrupt the country.  They are.  But what they're really trying to do is engineer a new playing surface in the political arena.  The spending, the spending, the stimulus, and more stimulus is all designed to engineer a debt burden to build the political case for tax increases.  They are trying to get the Fed to adopt this cause celebre.  Bernanke is going to do it.

This is how bloggers like McCardle push the "Economics of Contempt"(another blogger that loves Geithner, says they hate Bernanke, but really loves Bernanke because they need him to fall on their Democratic sword).

Don't fall for the Democratic Wall Street Legal complex of musical chairs.

Posted by: WTFCI at January 08, 2010 11:03 AM (GtYrq)

31 he added that the trend is pointing in the right direction.

So now we know Obama's destination.

That cocksucker better bring his own movies.  I don't share my movies.

Posted by: Satan at January 08, 2010 11:03 AM (I30wK)

32 Even if I was in a position to hire (and I am not) who would do it in this environment? You'd have to be out of your mind. Until that changes, nothing changes.

Posted by: rawmuse at January 08, 2010 11:03 AM (kq9Vv)

33 I'm self employed although there are fewer and fewer people capable of paying for my services. Thing is, I have to wonder, by the time I'm bankrupt, if there will be any "aid" left. The bastards have already earmarked more than the country can ever pay off for pork projects just prior to the next elections.....

Posted by: Only a Cynic.... at January 08, 2010 11:03 AM (2m+M+)

34
But at least the Republicans are out there everyday hammering home the message of Obama's failed policies.


Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 08, 2010 11:03 AM (jVldi)

35

BTW, Captain Ed notes that Reuters seamlessly slid into the AP's void:

U.S. employers unexpectedly cut 85,000 jobs in December

Posted by: The Q at January 08, 2010 11:04 AM (pfStM)

36 Amazing that, how even in good times, so few people out of 300 million actually work.

thats in thousands, so 137 million workers.  Family of four, one or two workers, seems reasonable considering retired, children and unemployed.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 08, 2010 11:04 AM (DIYmd)

37 I see another Nobel in Obama's future.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 08, 2010 11:04 AM (muUqs)

38
Only I can save you now with LAPTOP-BATTERY discount prices!

Posted by: Laptop Battery Guy at January 08, 2010 11:04 AM (fx8sm)

39

4 Thanks 52%'ers.

I'd also like to thank those that didn't vote McCain because of their principles. Awesome outcome! Whoa!

Posted by: the chicken at January 08, 2010 11:04 AM (KGHTG)

40 It came as Obama sought to pivot back to the domestic economy after two weeks of being riveted to the Christmas Day bombing attempt.

You know things aren't going well for Barry when he wants to pivot towards the free falling economy.

Posted by: kefka at January 08, 2010 11:04 AM (n1uMU)

41 We already have federal boondoggles for this and that "clean" energy nostrum. If Obama thinks he can plug the rathole by tossing green cheese into it, he's more stupid than I've assumed.

Posted by: Zimriel at January 08, 2010 11:04 AM (9Sbz+)

42 There is no graceful easing at its terminus.

You use words purtier than a five-dollar whore.

Posted by: TXMarko at January 08, 2010 11:05 AM (06/Wf)

43
Would you say Obama inherited an economy...

a) on the brink of recovery?
b) on the brink of depression?

Clearly, Obama inherited an economy poised to recover. His policies have suppressed the recovery and deepened the recession.

Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 08, 2010 11:06 AM (jVldi)

44 O/T

One of andi sullivan's commenters puts forth a troofer type theory that the undiebomber meant to fail.

Just askin' questions! (safe link to pjm who fisks the moonbat)

Posted by: Homer Simpson at January 08, 2010 11:06 AM (sYxEE)

45

"Clean  energy sector jobs?"

Oh dear lord we are so very very hosed. HIS ANSWER IS FUCKING CLEAN ENERGY???

Posted by: Max Power at January 08, 2010 11:06 AM (q177U)

46 If Obama thinks he can plug the rathole by tossing green cheese into it, he's more stupid than I've assumed.

And if you strike me down, I will become more stupid than you can ever imagine.

Posted by: Obama Wan-Kenobi at January 08, 2010 11:07 AM (I30wK)

47

19 Dirk Diggler: Turn the chart upside down and it doesn't look so bad.

"I'm not impotent - if I stand on my head my schlong points straight up, baby"

Posted by: Zimriel at January 08, 2010 11:07 AM (9Sbz+)

48

Market Snapshot

Jan. 8, 2010, 1:04 p.m. EST
U.S. stocks slip in wake of latest jobs data

By Peter McKay, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Stocks edged lower Friday following a disappointing reading of U.S. employment and a surprising jump in wholesale inventories, which helped to temper the session’s selling activity.

Posted by: paranoid polly at January 08, 2010 11:07 AM (r7Vc3)

49

@ 1

Kenn, you too? I'm coming up on two years of funemployment.

Sometimes I wonder if The Vapid One® might be doing the country a favor. He'll shut down our credit lines so no one will loan us money to fund these vast gubmint programs. No one will want to to business with us, trade will dry up and we'll have to start depending on homegrown businesses again. Voila. American manufacturing gets an emergency jumpstart as all the idiot leftists are purged from Washington. We start drilling for our own oil, building nuclear plants, making our own steel and drive our standard of living through the roof while everyone else becomes more like France.

We become self-sufficient again, and tell the rest of the world to FOAD.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2010 11:08 AM (i3AsK)

50
What's really galling is that Obama and the Democrats are about to put on their fiscal responsibility hats and start squawking about all the debt...that they created!

Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 08, 2010 11:08 AM (jVldi)

51 Does the 17% include people in crappy part-time jobs until they find a real job (or people who chose "going to part time" over "getting laid off completely"?  If so, that seems low.

Everyone I know who got laid off in 2009 is employed right now except my best friend, but except for my brother-in-law landing a government job, everyone's on short-term contracts (no benefits) and most took a pay cut to get that much.

(Yes, I realize "everyone Radish knows" isn't scientific.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2010 11:09 AM (mR7mk)

52 After a disappointing new unemployment report, President Barack Obama pushed on Friday for an expanded government program he said would help create tens of thousands of new clean-technology jobs. Yes, that worked so well for the Spanish. Look, screw this green technology shit; mine coal, drill for oil, build nukes, and quit lying to yourself.

Posted by: joncelli at January 08, 2010 11:09 AM (RD7QR)

53
ahhh, the magical green economy to the rescue, again?

Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 08, 2010 11:09 AM (jVldi)

54

Property tax values for 2010 are going to be released soon and it's safe to say they will be going down with individual property taxes doing the same thing. that means less revenue at the state and local level and tranlates to layoffs in government jobs. The real fun is just beginning.

Prepare for...

Obamanomics-the sequel.

Posted by: booter at January 08, 2010 11:10 AM (eimUK)

55

And yet I remember the MFM berating Bush when unemployment was at 5%  - which was essentially full employment. I really, really hate the media.

I remember dating a chick during the 5% Booooosh days, She worked for funemployment and she told me that 90% of those 5% ers at the time were people that didn't want to work, were too lazy, too drunk/drug addled etc. etc. to even care. They just wanted the check.  So I always considered the real unemployment figures under Boooosh to more like 2-3%.  I don't have any evidence to back my hypothesis up but I'm going with AGU/AGW standards, besides the chick had a great ass!!! HOOO  HA!!       

Posted by: dananjcon at January 08, 2010 11:10 AM (pr+up)

56 Hey you're gonna need those Ugg boots in the new ice age--either the real one or the one after Cap and Trade, defeat in the Middle East, and the inability to pay for heat.

Posted by: the chicken at January 08, 2010 11:10 AM (KGHTG)

57

Obama has never occupied a position where his decisions had tangible real-world consequences.  Until now.  The chart depicts the collision of stupid Lefty dogma and reality.

Posted by: Cicero at January 08, 2010 11:10 AM (QKKT0)

58 The good news is the terminus of which you speak can only go to zero.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 08, 2010 11:10 AM (DIYmd)

59 Recession, depression, regression, oppression...  Let's call the whole thing off.

Posted by: Old Sailor at January 08, 2010 11:11 AM (/Ft4q)

60 Just turn it a quarter turn counter-clockwise, duh

Posted by: 52% at January 08, 2010 11:11 AM (e8YaH)

61 @56 Excuse me, where do you live? All of my taxes are going one direction only, and it isn't downward.

Posted by: rawmuse at January 08, 2010 11:12 AM (kq9Vv)

62
Presdient Brink better start looking at tax receipts.

Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 08, 2010 11:12 AM (jVldi)

63 @24, so we've had our week of foreign policy discussion, now it's back to saving the economy for Barry because we love him so?  Maybe they should try and get the lemmings to focus on something that's goog for him.

I think he needs to take his daughters out for ice cream again.

Posted by: Methos at January 08, 2010 11:12 AM (Xsi7M)

64 I know Barry doesn't want to attack his fellow Muslims in Iran, but he may a war to turn that chart around if he wants a second term.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2010 11:13 AM (tTdaQ)

65

Rush mentioned today that the unemployment rate for men is 20% because male dominated fields (like construction and trucking) are hemorraghing jobs.  It's even worse for black males.

Posted by: runningrn at January 08, 2010 11:13 AM (CfmlF)

66 We need to expand that graph and call it the reverse hockey stick or something like that.

Obama lied, out economy died

Posted by: Uniball at January 08, 2010 11:14 AM (27iEn)

67

You know, I'm just not the type to make fun of someone who has just be bitch slapped by reality, but in this case, I'll make an exception;

Lost fans lobby the One Whose Voice Must Be Shared Daily, to not share his voice...

at least during Lost.

http://tinyurl.com/y929ttn


 

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at January 08, 2010 11:14 AM (r1h5M)

68 "It's clear why such an effort is so important. Building a robust clean energy sector is how we will create the jobs of the future, jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced," Obama said at the White House.

Why can't jobs making windmills, solar panels, and car batteries be outsourced?

Posted by: MayBee at January 08, 2010 11:14 AM (VK+Dz)

69 As usual, no one will talk to me or trust me with any work assignments today.

So ... here I am.

Posted by: erg at January 08, 2010 11:14 AM (YFV+t)

70 President Spock appears to be circling Uranus.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 11:14 AM (QECjC)

71
We are all Detroiters, now.

Posted by: Dang Straights at January 08, 2010 11:14 AM (fx8sm)

72 I am a small business owner and was responsible for putting 4 family men off the payroll in the last year due to the housing kaboom. No immediate plans for rehiring any of them, just trying to make it right now.....

did I mention that I hate Obama.. thanks 52%

Posted by: Joy to the whirled at January 08, 2010 11:14 AM (WVBjj)

73 32 Satan, you better hide the knives.  Saddam is going to be pissed that a new bitch is trying to push him outta your bed.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 08, 2010 11:14 AM (cniXs)

74 I know Barry doesn't want to attack his fellow Muslims in Iran, but he may a war to turn that chart around if he wants a second term.

That ain't no shit, right there.  I'm scared like a Chicago politician at Confession.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:15 AM (I30wK)

75

This chart would make for a fun toboggon ride!

(...and we all know a good toboggon ride ends with a trip to the hospital for some stitches.  Which, in turn, means cute nurses!)

Posted by: garrett's winter optimism at January 08, 2010 11:15 AM (F0LUx)

76

27 That chart looks good to me.

Posted by: Gov. David Paterson at January 08, 2010 04:02 PM (pfStM)

 

THREAD WINNER

Posted by: Truman North at January 08, 2010 11:15 AM (e8YaH)

77

Property tax values for 2010 are going to be released soon and it's safe to say they will be going down with individual property taxes doing the same thing. that means less revenue at the state and local level and tranlates to layoffs in government jobs. The real fun is just beginning.

Surely yuo know better than that. They recently did their 5 year reassesment here and everything went up. Property taxes NEVER EVER go down.

 

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2010 11:15 AM (QrA9E)

78 More than a handful of guys I know well enough to know what they're thinking have recently gone "Know what? Fuck it. I'll give up/close my store/eat up my retirement/etc. and write books/make music/drink Miller Lite by the bucket/etc. and be poor forever. Because fuck it."

The rest are mostly professors and shit, so they're sitting pretty. And the women I know overwhelmingly work for the "public" too (or in dirty sex jobs), so they're doin' swell.

These are the days.

Posted by: oblig. at January 08, 2010 11:15 AM (FWvuv)

79 What, you mean socializing 1/6th of the largest economy on Earth with a scheme half-baked in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve didn't turn the economy around? Threatening the economy with Cap & Trade ain't doing the trick, either? Gee, who'd a thunk???

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 11:15 AM (QECjC)

80

"It's clear why such an effort is so important. Building a robust clean energy sector is how we will create the jobs of the future, jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced," Obama said at the White House.

They can't?

"Building a robust clean energy sector is how we will create the jobs of the future," Obama said in a brief late-afternoon statement. "The Recovery Act awards I am announcing today will help close the clean energy gap that has grown between America and other nations while creating good jobs, reducing our carbon emissions and increasing our energy security."

We have a clean energy gap? Mr. President, we cannot allow a mineshaft clean energy gap!

Posted by: TheQuietman at January 08, 2010 11:16 AM (1Jaio)

81

Posted by: John Marshall at January 08, 2010 04:14 PM (YFV+t)

The Vaseline is on the nightstand.

Posted by: The Chicken at January 08, 2010 11:16 AM (I30wK)

82

73
We are all Detroiters, now
.

Fuck that - Red Wings suck!

Posted by: garrett - Blackhawk fan at January 08, 2010 11:16 AM (F0LUx)

83 You're not kidding this economy sucks. I used to be able to give out free bus station restroom blowjobs to the local hobos.

Now, they're demanding I pay them $5 before I'm allowed to get my lips around that sweet, sweet hobo man-root.

Posted by: erg at January 08, 2010 11:16 AM (YFV+t)

84

Yeah, even we can't reign this crap in.  It's coming out and it stinks!

Posted by: Expert Turd Wranglers at The AP at January 08, 2010 11:17 AM (CfmlF)

85

1.  Get elected President because you are awesome and everything.

2.  ???

3.  You know that moment when you realized the keys are still in the car, but you just pushed the locked door to shut it?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 11:18 AM (B+qrE)

86

U3 is the "official unemployment rate" according to the BLS website. It has, over the years, slowly excluded many of the factors that USED to go into how the US reported unemployment.

U3 is now comprised in a way that merely repeating it without a slew of caveats borders on fraud.

U6, on the other hand, is the broadest measure of Unemployment: It includes those people counted by U3, plus marginally attached workers (not looking, but want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the recent past), as well as Persons employed part time for economic reasons (they want and are available for full-time work but have had to settle for a part-time schedule).

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 08, 2010 11:18 AM (DIYmd)

87

Posted by: John Marshall at January 08, 2010 04:16 PM (YFV+t)

You tell 'em Johnny! Barry is going to save us all!!! Gosh he's gotten unemployment down to 10% and everything.

Posted by: TheQuietman at January 08, 2010 11:19 AM (1Jaio)

88

Posted by: John Marshall at January 08, 2010 04:16 PM (YFV+t)

Ya know, I'm in no mood to toy with a troll.  I just want to tell you something.

My children will live in freedom, if not prosperity.  If you wish to stand in the way of that, that's your call.  A very lethal one. Fuck off.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:19 AM (I30wK)

89 John Marshall - you're not from these parts are you sweetie..?

Posted by: Joy to the whirled at January 08, 2010 11:19 AM (WVBjj)

90

The rest are mostly professors and shit, so they're sitting pretty. And the women I know overwhelmingly work for the "public" too (or in dirty sex jobs), so they're doin' swell.

How about contact info on that last category?  For the sake of the economy, I mean.

Posted by: Tiger Woods at January 08, 2010 11:19 AM (QKKT0)

91 Gibbs fielded a "double-dip recession" question today. He would not answer it (wisely, actually). But that's out there.

Baghdad Bob Gibbs actually refused outright to answer a question. Usually he says he's already answered the question.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2010 11:19 AM (sYxEE)

92 the chicken, don't forget to blame the geniuses who voted McCain in the primaries and just expected everyone else to fall in line.  There's plenty of blame to go around on those counts and none of it worth much today.

Posted by: Methos at January 08, 2010 11:20 AM (Xsi7M)

93

Yeah? What's your solution? Cut taxes and let businesses fail?

 Why yes, yes it is. Did you pay attention during Econ 101 or are you too young to have been taught actual, real-live economics instead of Obamanomics?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2010 11:20 AM (i3AsK)

94

the clean energy gap that has grown between America and other nations

And the daily streak of just making shit up out of whole cloth remains unbroken...

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 11:20 AM (B+qrE)

95 Here's an excellent visual that should be in the original post imo.  Via Gateway Pundit.


Unemployment average during 8 years of Bush: 5.27 (3/4ths of which was under a Repukelican Congress).  Unemployment during 1 year of Teh One: 9.26 and rising.  Congress during the three years: Dem.

Posted by: random at January 08, 2010 11:21 AM (mhbHz)

96 omg! Barack's ass is just soooo, awesome!

Posted by: John Marshall's nose at January 08, 2010 11:21 AM (WVBjj)

97 70 "It's clear why such an effort is so important. Building a robust clean energy sector is how we will create the jobs of the future, jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced," Obama said at the White House.

Why can't jobs making windmills, solar panels, and car batteries be outsourced?
  Ha!  They already have.  China is starting really ramp up production.  GE is planning to close some plants here in the U.S.  There was a good article on that very subject in The WSJ a while back.  (Drat, can't turn off italics!)

Posted by: Expert Turd Wranglers at The AP at January 08, 2010 11:21 AM (CfmlF)

98

Barack Hussein Obama stars in Warren Miller's

Off the Grid Graph

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2010 11:21 AM (F0LUx)

99 "double-dip recession" Double-dip? Heh Heh Heh Heh Heh Heh Heh!!! Double Dippers! Heh! Heh! Heh! Heh! Heh! Heh! Heh!!!!

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at January 08, 2010 11:21 AM (QECjC)

100 The revolution will be regulated.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at January 08, 2010 11:22 AM (muUqs)

101  herr megenholz

You don't fuck you're kids? Is that what you're saying? That's crazy. I love molesting kids. It's the best going -and I can usually outsmart the really young ones.

Posted by: erg at January 08, 2010 11:22 AM (YFV+t)

102 "It's clear why such an effort is so important. Building a robust clean energy sector is how we will create the jobs of the future, jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced," Obama said at the White House.

OK, I posted about this in another thread a day or so ago. This is the classic Obama declarative statement:

"Because of A, we will B." A and B can be completely unrelated.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at January 08, 2010 11:22 AM (yUybe)

103 I dip, you dip, we dip.  Jazzy.  Hey, it's Friday.

Posted by: Old Sailor at January 08, 2010 11:23 AM (/Ft4q)

104

Related good news :  401k/IRA Screw Job Coming?
Now this is a guaranteed rape job.In a short conversation this noontime that CNBC apparently has omitted from their archives (Why's that folks?) Rick Santelli was talking about a potential to effectively force money into the Treasury market.

Where would they get this?  From your 401k and IRA accounts!
http://tiny.cc/7TQkk

Posted by: paranoid polly at January 08, 2010 11:24 AM (r7Vc3)

105 103 Oh, that was brilliant!

btw - I just got off your mom and she said to get in there and clean her up...

Posted by: John Holmes at January 08, 2010 11:24 AM (WVBjj)

106

The biggest lie circulated by rightwing assholes.

Yes, the White House is seemingly infested with them.

What is your next ignorant remark, troll?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 11:25 AM (B+qrE)

107 Property tax values for 2010 are going to be released soon and it's safe to say they will be going down with individual property taxes doing the same thing. that means less revenue at the state and local level and tranlates to layoffs in government jobs. The real fun is just beginning.

The last thing that will go are state government jobs, a large percentage which are SEIU union members. One reason that the Shitulus hasn't done much of anything is that states were using the funding to plug deficit gaps.

Speaking for California, the public sector unions will rob the corpse before giving up one cent in benefit increases or allowing one clockwatcher to get fired.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 08, 2010 11:25 AM (sYxEE)

108 Just think, guys, it's more time for you to work on getting your mage to level 80 and to work on the new icecrown citadel instances. And you can thank the president for your raid progression now.

Posted by: AbdominalSnowman at January 08, 2010 11:25 AM (Lb3oh)

109

Posted by: John Marshall at January 08, 2010 04:22 PM (YFV+t)

Address, please.  I'm sick of little pukes like you, erg.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:25 AM (I30wK)

110
Rush mentioned today that the unemployment rate for men is 20% because male dominated fields (like construction and trucking) are hemorrhaging jobs.  It's even worse for black males.

And the GOP is blowing the opportunity to target and bring in tradesmen who usually vote the way their union bosses tell them to vote. We can add  millions of new "Reagan Democrats" to the GOP for 2010 & 2012 if we explain to people it's the Democrats who are screwing them, not the Republicans.


Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 08, 2010 11:26 AM (jVldi)

111 I get the feeling our economy is about to do the dead man's float in the Marianas Trench in 35,000 feet of water.

Posted by: Old Sailor at January 08, 2010 11:26 AM (/Ft4q)

112 Building a robust clean energy sector is how we will create the jobs of the future

Spain lost 2.2 real jobs for every "green" job their government "created."

I have been told but doubt that "our Marxists are smarter than their Marxists."

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2010 11:26 AM (mR7mk)

113

This chart would make for a fun toboggon ride!

(...and we all know a good toboggon ride ends with a trip to the hospital for some stitches.  Which, in turn, means cute nurses!)

Posted by: garrett's winter optimism at January 08, 2010 04:15 PM (F0LUx)

Ain't been to the hospital lately, have you?

Posted by: mikeyslaw at January 08, 2010 11:27 AM (QMGr1)

114 (...and "of the future" cracks my ass up.  Dippin' Dots have been "the ice cream of the future" since before I first saw them at the state fair, 25-30 years ago.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2010 11:27 AM (mR7mk)

115 damn, we get a new troll and its barely articulate.  can you try a little harder asshat?  i need the laughs the regulars will produce while skull fucking your empty eye sockets. 

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 08, 2010 11:27 AM (cniXs)

116

Look at nov 08 and after.  The slope starts to go downward even more right when the Indonesian Imbecile was elected.

 

This guy is a clear and present danger.  He should be impeached for endangering our families future.

Posted by: Hey, lets destroy our economy on purpose!! Great idea Rahm at January 08, 2010 11:28 AM (IMSJ7)

117

88

Yup, and I believe that distinction between U3 and U6 (and the subsequent stressing of U3) was -

you guessed it

- A Clinton innovation to make his UE numbers look better.

Posted by: The Q at January 08, 2010 11:28 AM (pfStM)

118

Here you go, from Hotair:

Tax collections nationwide declined by 10.9 percent during the third quarter of 2009, the third consecutive quarter during which tax revenues fell by double-digit percentages, according to the latest report from the Rockefeller Institute of Government.

Combining current data with comparable historical figures from the U.S. Census Bureau, the Institute reported that the first three quarters of 2009 marked the largest decline in state tax collections at least since 1963..

Western states saw especially sharp declines in tax collections during the third quarter, while revenues fell by more modest levels in the Southeast, New England, Mid-Atlantic, and Plains regions.

For the fourth quarter of 2009, early data showed continuing declines, although the negative trend of the past year appeared to be moderating. For 38 early-reporting states, personal income taxes fell by 6.5 percent during October and November while sales tax collections declined by 5.5 percent

Posted by: Expert Turd Wranglers at The AP at January 08, 2010 11:28 AM (CfmlF)

119
18 ParisParamus

When the prices go up up up...
And the values go down down down....

A high five to anyone who knows where this comes from.

The ol' Robert Hall commercials! I remember going to a Robert Hall store (in Paramus, IIRC) with my parents back in the '60s...

(high five)

Posted by: Golem14 at January 08, 2010 11:28 AM (2X8VA)

120
Fuck the hispanics, blacks, and gays,  and trannies, and bird lovers, and whatever other identity group that insists on special attention.

GO AFTER THE WORKERS WHO ARE OUT OF WORK, NO MATTER COLOR THEY ARE.

Posted by: Posted by: Huge, Quickly at January 08, 2010 11:28 AM (jVldi)

121

Ah...John is here, this should be good fun. How are the telecom business plans going?

Posted by: Max Power at January 08, 2010 11:28 AM (q177U)

122 (...and we all know a good toboggon ride ends with a trip to the hospital for some stitches.  Which, in turn, means cute nurses!)

According the Efficiency Panel, it's a waste of resources to let teabaggers have stitches.  Here, have a pain pill and go home and die.

Posted by: Barry O at January 08, 2010 11:29 AM (mR7mk)

123 You know I'm desperate when I start addressing individual posters.

A real man would resolve such outsized anger issues by throwing down with the object of his hatred.

But I'm not a real man. I'm a little pussy-boy who calls names on the internet.

Posted by: erg at January 08, 2010 11:29 AM (YFV+t)

124

They are already leaning on the Banks to call back portions of well performing/higly rated loans. 

Many successful commercial mortgages are being partly recalled to get cash back into the hands of lenders who can be/are being forced into lending it to underqualified borrowers. Again. 

They just don't learn...keep fuckin' that chicken Golden Goose. 

See what happens...

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2010 11:29 AM (F0LUx)

125 18

PS: I see what you did there.

Posted by: Golem14 at January 08, 2010 11:29 AM (2X8VA)

126 HeatherRadish

Building a robust clean energy sector is how we will create the jobs of the future.

Jobs of the FUTURE remain in the future, in that never never land.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2010 11:29 AM (+CLh/)

127 #107

If the Fed starts confiscating money out of people's private retirement accounts the response will be violent.

Not good. . .


Posted by: looking closely at January 08, 2010 11:30 AM (6Q9g2)

128 106 Come on, tax like a sumabitch and spend like a sumabitch policies always worked in the past. It's sort of like standing at the edge of the ocean at low tide. Eventually you know the tide will rise again.

Or throwing a virgin into a dormant volcano to keep it from erupting.

 

Sounds good to me!



Posted by: Tiger Woods at January 08, 2010 11:31 AM (CfmlF)

129

Posted by: The White Panthers at January 08, 2010 04:29 PM (YFV+t)

Is your address in code in this comment, or are you just another coward living in his mom's basement?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:31 AM (I30wK)

130 Ya know the amazing thing about that Marshall dude is just the thinking in going into the "cut taxes and let business fail" remark, as if lower taxes make businesses fail and higher taxes make them succeed.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at January 08, 2010 11:32 AM (DIYmd)

131

Ain't been to the hospital lately, have you?

The local Hospital is filthy with cute nurses...place is just covered up in hotties!

 

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2010 11:33 AM (F0LUx)

132 Related good news : 401k/IRA Screw Job Coming? Screw them back. I'll cash out, lose the penalty amount, and take the rest and buy a motorhome. I may lose my job and become a nomad but I'll wander the countryside in STYLE, baby!

Posted by: joncelli at January 08, 2010 11:33 AM (RD7QR)

133

Hey, you know what are actual green jobs that will help in a nontrivial way?

NUKE PLANTS.

Lots of them.

But I'm just talking crazy now.

Let's capture cow farts instead.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 11:33 AM (B+qrE)

134 Ya know the amazing thing about that Marshall dude is just the thinking in going into the "cut taxes and let business fail" remark, as if lower taxes make businesses fail and higher taxes make them succeed.

Obviously, we're being trolled by Fortney "Pete" Stark.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:33 AM (I30wK)

135 For the fourth quarter of 2009, early data showed continuing declines, although the negative trend of the past year appeared to be moderating.

Yay! The body at the bottom of the pool stopped sinking!

Massive recovery, BUY BUY BUY before you're priced out!

Posted by: Jim "Cosmo" Cramer at January 08, 2010 11:34 AM (sYxEE)

136 Soon we'll all be sitting on benches in public parks drinking Val-U-Rite and playing D&D on picnic tables, whistling at the teen-aged daughters of working men.  Well, either that or forming gangs of violent, starving misfits living off the land until the Feds catch up with us.  Funemployment indeed.

Posted by: Hobo Strangler at January 08, 2010 11:34 AM (8/DeP)

137

Yeah, but what does the chart look like for government jobs?  If you wingnuts showed that, you'd see how good things are looking right now.

It's not Obama's fault that the evil, greedy corporations are laying people off.

Posted by: Moonbat Hollowpoint at January 08, 2010 11:34 AM (plsiE)

138

Also, consumer credit is cratering - this is disasterous for a quick recovery. Bad times ahead for sure.

Posted by: markytom

Have to stop you right there. This recession was partly created by consumers in hock up to their tits. A highly leveraged consumer economy is not a stable one. People with mortgages they can't afford is in no shape or form a good thing.

If we're ever to find sure footing for a period of growth we need consumers to spend money that they earn, not find by tapping into a temporary real estate bubble.

Posted by: Iskandar at January 08, 2010 11:35 AM (doEqS)

139 Marshall's wifi must have gone down at the campus Starbucks. That, or the football team just walked in looking all masculine and everything and he had to go have a tug in the men's room...

Come back Johnny! We hardly knew ye...

Posted by: Joy to the whirled at January 08, 2010 11:36 AM (WVBjj)

140

Well, either that or forming gangs of violent, starving misfits living off the land until the Feds catch up with us. 

We've got a pilot, morons.

And NBC needs some 10PM programming.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 11:36 AM (B+qrE)

141 Even if I was in a position to hire (and I am not) who would do it in this environment?

We only hire ex-con lesbian crack ho's and pay cash which allows us to employ more people.  Even with that advantage we have downsized to just one ho.

Posted by: John Galt at January 08, 2010 11:36 AM (F/4zf)

142 If you Glenn Beck cult bad crazy denialists would just listen, GREEN JOBS will be the next big gold rush.

If you buy a calendar, you'll save my job running Little GREEN Fucknuts

Posted by: Charles John's son at January 08, 2010 11:37 AM (sYxEE)

143

NUKE PLANTS.

Lots of them.

+ eleventy.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2010 11:37 AM (mR7mk)

144

We've got a pilot, morons.

And NBC needs some 10PM programming.

I want to be sentenced to be alexthechick's butler.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:37 AM (I30wK)

145

I noticed Larry "Green Shoots" Kudlow was a bit testy with Peter Schiff on CNBC on Tuesday.

15 trillion in additional debt, and massive businesses taxes to come - how the hell can anyone be optimistic any more?

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 11:37 AM (/sDrM)

146

Yay! The body at the bottom of the pool stopped sinking!

That is funny as hell.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 11:37 AM (B+qrE)

147 Even the dead cat won't bounce..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 11:38 AM (/sDrM)

148 Even with that advantage we have downsized to just one ho.

Two jobs saved or created.: ho and ho-emptier.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:38 AM (I30wK)

149 Even the dead cat won't bounce..

You're not throwing it at the floor hard enough.

Posted by: White House Council of Economic Advisors at January 08, 2010 11:39 AM (I30wK)

150 [I'm sorry, did you just type something? Looks like I erased it. You're welcome to try again. - TB]

Posted by: erg at January 08, 2010 11:41 AM (YFV+t)

151 Yeah, but what does the chart look like for government jobs?

And they got raises.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2010 11:41 AM (mR7mk)

152

Citing imaginary "green jobs" as a plan for job growth is like mandating that all road construction projects be completed using only shovels and wheelbarrows.

Sure, it would be much more expensive and inefficient- but it would create jobs!

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 08, 2010 11:41 AM (plsiE)

153 Even the dead cat won't bounce..

You're not throwing it at the floor hard enough.

Posted by: White House Council of Economic Advisors at January 08, 2010 04:39 PM (I30wK)

///////////

OK--cut it out...my staff is wondering what the hell is going on in here.

And spit takes are only funny if someone can see them.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 11:42 AM (B+qrE)

154

Posted by: The White Panthers at January 08, 2010 04:41 PM (YFV+t)

It took you 10 minutes to come up with that incoherent ramble?  Axelrod needs a bailout, and I'd support it out of pure pity.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:42 AM (I30wK)

155 Citing imaginary "green jobs" as a plan for job growth is like mandating that all road construction projects be completed using only shovels and wheelbarrows while using bulldozers to take apart existing roads.

FIFY

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2010 11:44 AM (mR7mk)

156

There's no differenc e between the two. Wake the fuck up.

Posted by: The White Panthers at January 08, 2010 04:41 PM (YFV+t)

Ah yes - the ever-wonderful Third Party option.  A guaranteed march into the socialist gulag. 

 

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 11:44 AM (/sDrM)

157

#90, Morgenholtz, you and I need to schedule a range day.Well said.

Now what I've been wondering is how the fuck you're supposed to make it if you're unemployed long term. Me, I need to bring in a minimum of 2400 a month to cover everything, including the mortgage. I'm sure the unemployment checks aren't that much. So I'd have to ditch my house (I'd rather burn it the fuck down than let it be foreclosed on), put all my shit in storage, kill all my cats and bury them in the back yard since most places won't rent you an apartment if you have pets and none of them could really make it as strays. I'd rather they were put down peacefully at home than died in the woods or in a "shelter", and find some horrible fleabag apartment for myself and the wife. And we'd max out the credit cards on her meds pretty quickly, so she'd die, and then that would free me to be a professional homeless guy. The good news on that is I was an infantryman for ten years, so I am all kinds of prepared to be homeless. I've got sleeping bags that cost some people's apartment rent for the month.  

Fuck Obama and the 52%.

 

Posted by: SGT Dan at January 08, 2010 11:44 AM (GgXZc)

158

Hubby and I had to put about 20 ppl out of work this last year, close 4 businesses and lost close to a million dollars. Luckily, our business picked up a tiny bit toward the end of the yr. Not that it will be back to normal range any time soon. It has been a heinous year.

 

Almost forgot,

Fuck you, fuck you very much, John Marshall.

Posted by: di butler/murderous bitch at January 08, 2010 11:45 AM (S3xX1)

159

The biggest problem with freefall? No litterbox.

Posted by: the cat at January 08, 2010 11:45 AM (9Sbz+)

160

162 Even the dead cat won't bounce..

You're not throwing it at the floor hard enough.

You can't use that cat to bounce, that's a socialist cat! 

You're not bouncing that cat fast enough!

Hey, well, all of you people criticizing me, why don't you all just grab a cat and bounce?

Posted by: Precedent Toonces at January 08, 2010 11:45 AM (CfmlF)

161 Ron Paul!!1!

Posted by: shorter White Panthers at January 08, 2010 11:46 AM (9Sbz+)

162 Last week while I was treating the family to dinner at Katie's, I saw that there were a lot more people than usual collecting bottles and cans in shopping carts. It really brought a grin to my face to see the application of green jobs in action.

Posted by: Joe the Biden at January 08, 2010 11:46 AM (sYxEE)

163

Name one pol in S. America who champions 'free trade'?

His name is Alvaro Uribe.  FYI, he's the President of Colombia--it's a country in South America.

The Chileans already have a free trade agreement with the U.S.  Chile is also a country in South America and remakably has the most stable economy on the continent.

Spout your next dumbshit question.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 11:46 AM (B+qrE)

164

Posted by: SGT Dan at January 08, 2010 04:44 PM (GgXZc)

 

Wow, you'd make one fun hobo to hunt! 

Posted by: Moron Horde at January 08, 2010 11:48 AM (CfmlF)

165 Soylent Green is jobs!

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 11:48 AM (/sDrM)

166 I dumped most of the remaining 30% of my stock two days ago. The only thing I'm holding on to are some energy stocks and an online gaming software developer (in anticipation of the Dems lifting the poker ban in order to get their hands on some of that money by taxing it.)

Posted by: Warden at January 08, 2010 11:48 AM (QoR4a)

167 Looks like "the white panthers" just died. Are they going to bounce?

Posted by: Zimriel at January 08, 2010 11:49 AM (9Sbz+)

168

Wow, you'd make one fun hobo to hunt! 

Crap, when zero puts us all out on the street are we going to have hunt each other?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 08, 2010 11:49 AM (cniXs)

169 Trillions down the drain. Because the government didn't suck them all up, and they remained in the pockets of consumers and American investors, instead? Don't you realize one way Obama's megadefecits are killing us is the fact they are sucking up capital otherwise available to businesses to grow and employ with? High government taxes have the same effect: they suck the capital out of an economy.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 11:49 AM (QECjC)

170

Even the dead cat won't bounce..

White Men Cats Can't Jump Bounce.

 

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2010 11:49 AM (F0LUx)

171 Me, I need to bring in a minimum of 2400 a month to cover everything, including the mortgage.

It's not that much when you have a job.  It's an unattainable fortune when you don't.  These fucknozzles don't realize what we do: our standard of living is already lower than our parents', and quickly going to shit. This does not lead to stability.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:50 AM (I30wK)

172

Republican response: More subsidies for insurance companies.

Chris Dodd is a Republican now?  When did that happen?

Taxcuts absolutely failed to stimulate investment. Trillions down the drain.

Yeah, the increase in GDP and employment that followed tax cuts in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's?  Total coincidence.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 08, 2010 11:51 AM (plsiE)

173 173 Name one pol in S. America who champions 'free trade'? Name one country in South America you'd prefer to live in than the United States. I'm really SO tired of liberal idiots constantly whining why we don't do what all the other countries do. America is better than them, in case you missed it.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 11:51 AM (QECjC)

174 Looks like "the white panthers" just died. Are they going to bounce?

How hard can you throw them?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:51 AM (I30wK)

175

Don't you realize one way Obama's megadefecits are killing us is the fact they are sucking up capital otherwise available to businesses to grow and employ with?

Too many words there for ergie to understand.

So, I'll answer for him: Drool.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 11:51 AM (B+qrE)

176 I think a douchebag just got trollbusted.  *sniff*

Sorry. Something in my eye.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:52 AM (I30wK)

177 Well, the cat kind of looks like it's bouncing if you fuck it hard enough.

Posted by: Max Power at January 08, 2010 11:52 AM (q177U)

178 Lower growth and higher deficits with the republicans. Just a fucking fact. I'll just keep saying this like it's true. Over and over. Without evidence. Even with evidence to the contrary right in front of my dick sucking face. This is how I "argue."

P.S. I'm beating off right now.

Posted by: erg at January 08, 2010 11:52 AM (YFV+t)

179 Am I the only one who feels as though they are watching this from afar as an observer?  Sort of like feeling that you are watching a movie and you can't affect the outcome?

Posted by: curious at January 08, 2010 11:53 AM (p302b)

180

Posted by: The White Panthers at January 08, 2010 04:52 PM (YFV+t)

Calling trollbuster, drunk on Valu-Rite and power, but mostly Valu-Rite.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2010 11:53 AM (I30wK)

181

I give partial blame to the consumer (they thought they could make money) but more to the lender or the government that made them lend.

Posted by: polynikes

I do to, and it was the government that distorted the market and created that bubble. Consumers and banks were, up to a point, just taking advantage of the Goldberg-like contraption. Credit by itself is a just a tool but after the explosion of a bubble that blew the windows out of our economy, credit levels need to deflate necessarily. We should be more worried that Barney Frank "and Beans" and Obarky are hoping to restart the no-doc, NINJA loans as we speak.

Posted by: Iskandar at January 08, 2010 11:54 AM (doEqS)

182

So I guess we'll all move in with our parents in Florida.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 11:54 AM (/sDrM)

183

Lower growth and higher deficits with the republicans. Just a fucking fact. Dream on.

And now Obama is a Republican?  Holy shit, I've really been slacking on recent events.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 08, 2010 11:54 AM (plsiE)

184

Lower growth and higher deficits with the republicans. Just a fucking fact. Dream on.

Huh? Maybe he's from Bizzaro world, after all he's a white Panther.

Me am never call Unjustice League and not report him!

Posted by: Max Power at January 08, 2010 11:56 AM (q177U)

185 Please pay attention to me. Daddy never did.

Posted by: erg at January 08, 2010 11:57 AM (YFV+t)

186 168

Hubby and I had to put about 20 ppl out of work this last year, close 4 businesses and lost close to a million dollars. Luckily, our business picked up a tiny bit toward the end of the yr. Not that it will be back to normal range any time soon. It has been a heinous year.

Posted by: di butler/murderous bitch at January 08, 2010 04:45 PM (S3xX1)

As a business owner myself, that is a tragic thing to read. What sort of business are you all in, Di? 

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 11:58 AM (/sDrM)

187 Wasn't John Marshall responsible for shaping what is today an over-bloated judicial system??? 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 08, 2010 11:58 AM (pr+up)

188

18 When the prices go up up up...
And the values go down down down....

A high five to anyone who knows where this comes from.

Robert Hall this season will show you the reason...

Posted by: Cpt. Mike at January 08, 2010 11:58 AM (RqeIe)

189 Higher taxes and government handouts are the road to prosperity.

In my case, the higher food stamp allotments mean that I don't have to spend the money I get hooking my tranny ass behind Starbucks on things like food. I can use that money to buy Adam Lambert downloads on the iPod I got by shoplifting at the Apple store.

Posted by: erg the economist at January 08, 2010 11:59 AM (sYxEE)

190 What Witless Pantyass doesn't understand is that the government is spending a lot of money.  The government doesn't make money, it takes it from people that have J-O-B-S.  If there are less jobs, the government gets less money.  So the government should curtail its spending in the absence of jobs and subsequent money.  Like he and his libtard ilk don't seem to be able to grasp is that it is mathematically impossible to spend your way out of a recession.  OK, that's it for me, I refuse to acknowledge his presence the rest of this post.

Posted by: Moron Horde at January 08, 2010 11:59 AM (CfmlF)

191

Posted by: The White Panthers at January 08, 2010 04:52 PM (YFV+t)

You're as clueless as Barry.

Posted by: TheQuietman at January 08, 2010 12:00 PM (1Jaio)

192 204 Wasn't John Marshall responsible for shaping what is today an over-bloated judicial system??? 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 08, 2010 04:58 PM (pr+up)

Yes, and for sleeping with his sister, Penny.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 12:00 PM (/sDrM)

193

I suspect they won't confiscate 401k/IRA money until they confiscate all weapons first.

Of course either one is likely to make the cold war go hot which seems to be what they're after.

Posted by: Scott J. at January 08, 2010 12:01 PM (NY7mQ)

194

God, this one is the motherlode of stupid troll.

Chile is a basket case.  OK, then...with the highest per capita GDP on the continent.  Libtard math in all its glory, folks.

And here is a pointer--if your description of Colombia includes both a factual error (U.S. aid is somewhere north of a billion a year) and Hugo Chavez speech exceprts, you might want to say, read a book or learn to hit "Search" on Bing or Google.

 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 12:01 PM (B+qrE)

195 209 eeeeeeeeewwwwwww.

Posted by: dananjcon at January 08, 2010 12:02 PM (pr+up)

196

Turn the chart upside down and it doesn't look so bad.--Posted by: Dirk Diggler

Fair is foul, and foul is fair.--Witches, Act I, scene i, Macbeth

As if unemployment weren't consuming. The Ugandan practice of human sacrifice is on the rise and spreading (UK Telegraph), just as Obama instigates the Marxist final solution in federally tax funded EugeniCare.

 

Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2010 12:03 PM (+CLh/)

197 People were saying that the prez delayed the speech so he could interrupt Glenn Beck's program yesterday.  Haven't been around to watch Beck so I put him on today.  The judge announced that they are repeating yesterday's program in its entirety as it is the very last "important piece to the puzzle" so you know "what they are doing to you and why".  That got my attention, gonna watch

Posted by: curious at January 08, 2010 12:04 PM (p302b)

198

Chile is a basket case.  OK, then...with the highest per capita GDP on the continent.  Libtard math in all its glory, folks.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 05:01 PM (B+qrE)

And the Chilean peso has been kicking the dollar's ass.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 12:06 PM (/sDrM)

199 209 eeeeeeeeewwwwwww.

Posted by: dananjcon at January 08, 2010 05:02 PM (pr+up)

Penny was hot. 

Posted by: John Marshall at January 08, 2010 12:06 PM (I30wK)

200 Marxists confiscate 401k/IRA money AS they confiscate all weapons.

Posted by: maverick muse at January 08, 2010 12:07 PM (+CLh/)

201 Penny was hot. Posted by: John Marshall at January 08, 2010 05:06 PM (I30wK) He loved to gavel her between the judicial sheets, huh?

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 12:08 PM (QECjC)

202 I'm wearing my grandmother's "Saturday night" bra right now.

Posted by: erg at January 08, 2010 12:09 PM (YFV+t)

203
295  Cpt. Mike

Robert Hall this season will show you the reason...

"Top qua-li-tee! E-con-o-mee!"

(Sheesh, I have a phonographic memory for stuff like that-- now that jingle will be running through my head for the rest of the day.)

Posted by: Golem14 at January 08, 2010 12:10 PM (2X8VA)

204

@ 220

Wow, racist and stupid. Wait, isn't that your mother calling you for din-din?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 08, 2010 12:11 PM (i3AsK)

205 Why is this person calling the dems "the White Paryt?"

Posted by: curious at January 08, 2010 12:11 PM (p302b)

206 I'm wearing my grandmother's "Saturday night" bra right now.

The cups aren't supposed to go on your head.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 08, 2010 12:14 PM (mR7mk)

207

I thought Captain Wonderful was going to stop the oceans from rising, make everyone a $200K a year VP and issue unicorns to all.

Now the troll is parroting George Wallace "not a nickel's worth of difference" lines about Washington and calling other's stupid when he can't discern a higher number from a smaller.

It.  Hasn't.  Even.  Been.  A.  Year.

Go ahead, erg, chew your tongue off and start on your feet.  It's inevitable at this point.

 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 12:16 PM (B+qrE)

208

the White Paryt

I thought it was a Norwegian Blue.  Beautiful plumage.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 12:17 PM (B+qrE)

209

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 05:08 PM (QECjC)

Yes, but her hot friend Cindy wouldn't put out, or, to summarize:

"Cold sweets won't spread", as John Marshall famously stated in his epochal opinion in "Marbury vs. Madison", 5 US (1 Cranch) 137(1803)

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 12:20 PM (/sDrM)

210 223 Why is this person calling the dems "the White Paryt?"

Posted by: curious at January 08, 2010 05:11 PM (p302b)

Well, I also often confuse the Democrat party with Baretta's spastic cockatiel.

 

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 12:24 PM (/sDrM)

211 #176, think of me as a Cape buffalo among hobos. It's always fun hunting something that will hunt you back.

Posted by: SGT Dan at January 08, 2010 12:27 PM (GgXZc)

212 "Cold sweets won't spread", as John Marshall famously stated in his epochal opinion in "Marbury vs. Madison", 5 US (1 Cranch) 137(1803) Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 05:20 PM (/sDrM) Really? I could have sworn that was in Marbury vs. Hardon.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 12:29 PM (QECjC)

213

So I guess we'll all move in with our parents in Florida.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 04:54 PM (/sDrM)

Better still, let me just mail a check for necessities.  That way, I can keep the hooker's and grateful 40 somethings coming back for more hide-the-banana.  

It's a white hair kinda thang!


Posted by: Fish at January 08, 2010 12:30 PM (W3vrv)

214
Erg,

The big reason why Chile is doing so well today is because Pinochet laid important groundwork in the 1970s.  He knew exactly what to do with people like you.

Posted by: MikeO at January 08, 2010 12:38 PM (Ce+tv)

215 Liberals love to spend money. Of course, to stimulate an economy for the long term, you need to lower marginal tax rates. Liberals call that spending money too. We are so fucked it's not even funny. Forget about inflation in the short term. You have to have some growth to have inflation.

Posted by: jeff at January 08, 2010 12:40 PM (t6tby)

216

Lets see;

- Tax cuts expiring,
- Health care,
- Cap and Trade,
- New regulations,
- EPA,
- Financial regulations,
- Over reaching government,
- Bankrupt states needing to raise taxes

Hmmm, I have no idea why employers aren’t hiring.

Posted by: LifeTrek at January 08, 2010 12:47 PM (tJTIW)

217

Just so you know, that graph is BULLSHIT!

It has no origin.  This is the kind of weasely, manipulated horseshit that Leftists pull, and it drives me nuts.  If you think I accept GARBAGE just because it's fed to me by a conservative, think again.

Posted by: Uriel at January 08, 2010 12:51 PM (f0MzX)

218 THAT SHRINKING WORK FORCE GRAPH IS GOING TO MIRROR OBAMA'S PERSONAL APPROVAL RATINGS.

Posted by: GarandFan at January 08, 2010 12:51 PM (ZQBnQ)

219

Forget about inflation in the short term. You have to have some growth to have inflation.

Or ginormous deficits that make the dollar crater.

Like now.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 08, 2010 12:52 PM (B+qrE)

220

Gibbs fielded a "double-dip recession" question today. He would not answer it (wisely, actually). But that's out there.

Double-dip?  We haven't even climbed out of the current one we are in now; the stock market has been completely separated from reality since April.  The DOW actually went UP in response to the unemployment numbers today.  Only in an alternate universe or a market that is being thoroughly manipulated could something like that happen.  This "recovery" is a god-damned phantom.

If you are in the stock market, get out.  If you have a 401k or IRA, close it and cash it out, take the initial 20% hit, pay off or pay down any debts you might still have, and keep whatever is left over.  Better that you have it instead of keeping it in a place where the government can get to it.  Don't give these chumps a chance to take what you worked for.

Posted by: David Axelrod's Combover at January 08, 2010 12:52 PM (/Pw+r)

221

Just so you know, that graph is BULLSHIT!

That graph is reality, clown.

Posted by: David Axelrod's Combover at January 08, 2010 12:53 PM (/Pw+r)

222 We are S-S-S-S-C-C-C-R-R-E-E-E-E-E-W-W-E-ED!!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 12:54 PM (QECjC)

223 232 Erg, The big reason why Chile is doing so well today is because Pinochet laid important groundwork in the 1970s. He knew exactly what to do with people like you. Posted by: MikeO at January 08, 2010 05:38 PM (Ce+tv) Word. Hey, erg, I got some hot tickets for a tour of the soccer stadium for you and your friends...

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 12:55 PM (QECjC)

224

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 05:29 PM (QECjC)

OT, but (from the Website) Happy 20th! and lovely pictures...

Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 01:04 PM (/sDrM)

225

Now, you can have a fellator, or a bathhouse of fellators, or a fellatrix, or a tittybar of fellatrices, but I've never heard of a "fellatist."

Sheesh, people. Speak Latin, okay? (And for you Northerners, that last one's pronounced "Fel-LAT-tri-seez.")

Posted by: J. Moses Browning at January 08, 2010 01:06 PM (3G4di)

226 See, that chart is a good example of what an Obama "hard pivot" looks like.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 01:17 PM (QECjC)

227

 59The chart depicts the collision of stupid Lefty dogma and reality.

By their own admission, this is the opportunity Democrats have waited for.

Posted by: St. Agnostica at January 08, 2010 01:21 PM (gbCNS)

228 243 Now, you can have a fellator, or a bathhouse of fellators, or a fellatrix, or a tittybar of fellatrices, but I've never heard of a "fellatist." Sheesh, people. Speak Latin, okay? (And for you Northerners, that last one's pronounced "Fel-LAT-tri-seez.") Posted by: J. Moses Browning at January 08, 2010 06:06 PM (3G4di) I just call them cocksuckers, for short.

Posted by: Former President-elect Barrak Hussein Obama at January 08, 2010 01:33 PM (QECjC)

229 Out, damn sock!!!

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 01:33 PM (QECjC)

230 242 Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 05:29 PM (QECjC) OT, but (from the Website) Happy 20th! and lovely pictures... Posted by: TexasJew at January 08, 2010 06:04 PM (/sDrM) Oh, thanks, Texas! Though that pic was actually from a couple of years ago.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 01:34 PM (QECjC)

231 The Yosemite shot was from March of this year, though.

Posted by: CoolCzech at January 08, 2010 01:35 PM (QECjC)

232

gonna get that reparations now that we got our man in the 1/2 white house.

 

Posted by: Malik Shabazz N.B.P at January 08, 2010 01:40 PM (BJHyv)

233 Read the actual BLS report, 20% unemployment among USA working age males. 1 in 5 are unemployed.

Posted by: bill-tb at January 08, 2010 01:49 PM (y+QfZ)

234 All the jobs that have been exported to China and India have never been replaced.

Posted by: how to get rid of belly fat at January 08, 2010 02:12 PM (RR7Y9)

235 I do a curve fit on that graph and I'm not seeing any inflection point...just saying...

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 08, 2010 02:17 PM (qICZC)

236 I've been down black diamond ski slopes that weren't that steep.

Posted by: RTH615 at January 08, 2010 03:00 PM (Rytlc)

237

$2.3Billion in tax credits to create 17,000 "green" jobs?

Do the math:

$135K to "create" each job,

which MAY last as long as the tax credits,

but will propably be downsized as soon as the govt. quits allowing the tax credits?

Once again, we could have GIVEN the money to taxpayers....or simply FAILED to extort it from taxpayers in the first place, and it would have been better for the economy.

And we all know how the Obama administration counts the jobs they've created.....

How many illegal alien tax returns does it take to pay for $2.3 billion in taxes?

Oh THAT'S right.....they don't pay taxes....

I must be a racist!

Posted by: Only a Cynic.... at January 08, 2010 03:51 PM (2m+M+)

238

Just a note about property assessments and tax rates.  If the value of your home goes down (the assessment is lowered), the tax rate will go up.  That's because the actual amount of money you MUST pay for your real estate taxes is not connected directly to your property value.

It is the levy passed by your local taxing districts that determines how much money they will be spending (how big of a pie they will be taking from all taxpayers in the district).  The assessments on each individual piece of property merely decide what your share of that levy will be (what size slice you have to provide). 

In a circumstance where all property is going down in value (like now) it won't matter if everyone's assessment has gone down.  It is the levy that determines how much money will be spent, and the levy alone. 

The property tax is a very cruel tax, don't pay it and they will take your home and sell it for the unpaid taxes. 

Posted by: Boots at January 08, 2010 03:56 PM (06JTY)

239

That graph is reality, clown.

Posted by: David Axelrod's Combover

I don't understand why David Axelrod's comb-over would be defending that graph -- Is his hair rebelling against his head?  I would if I were it.

Anyway, the graph is bullshit because the origin is not at zero.  Unless there is a good legitimate reason to place the origin somewhere else, then this graph is blatant intentional exaggeration.

It also shows only since Jan 2009.  That's sort of o.k. as that's the particular time period under consideration AND everyone understands that employment in the prior (unshown) time period was higher.  But, because no other time period is shown, I still wouldn't take it seriously even if the origin were at zero.

The funny thing is that if the graph were represented honestly, it would still show the same thing; it just wouldn't APPEAR as dramatic.  Which is exactly why it was presented the way it was, and is exactly why the graph is bullshit.

It's a cheap trick used by leftist retardates.

What say ye, Mr. Comb-over?  Did I use small enough words, dipshit?

Posted by: Uriel at January 08, 2010 04:18 PM (f0MzX)

240 In America data homogenizes you!

Posted by: Yakov at January 08, 2010 04:47 PM (22if9)

241

@1: "There simply has to be work again at some point."

There will be.  Half of us will dig holes.  The other half will fill them in.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 08, 2010 04:52 PM (cZtT3)

242

@22: "an adult accountant, no less"

Is that anything like an adult bookstore or adult movie?

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 08, 2010 04:57 PM (cZtT3)

243

*ahem*

We must uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh go uhhhhhhhhh forward, not backward; ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm upward, not for uhhhhhhhhhh forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom communism!

Have the Secret Service find out whoever the fuck put "freedom" on my teleprompter and beat them until they beg for death.

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Posted by: kuyu at January 08, 2010 05:13 PM (1modI)

245 Time to wake up those Brit weather cock-suckers and find out how to hide the decline...

Posted by: MSM at January 08, 2010 07:24 PM (WHQVU)

246

Anyway, the graph is bullshit because the origin is not at zero.  Unless there is a good legitimate reason to place the origin somewhere else, then this graph is blatant intentional exaggeration.

What's being exaggerated, the loss of jobs?  That's not an exaggeration, dipweed.  Perhaps you missed the news over the last few months. 

It also shows only since Jan 2009.

Wow, blind and stupid.  Look at the graph again, shithead.

Are you capable of actually refuting the data in the graph, or you more bent out of shape because it's not drawn the way you think it should be?  If you can't refute the data, you don't have a leg to stand on.  It's an argument by deflection and it's rather pathetic.

Did you get that, or do I need to use smaller words so you understand them?

Posted by: David Axelrod's Combover at January 08, 2010 08:00 PM (ophde)

247 "Newsweek:  Why losing 84,000 jobs isn't that bad." 

It actually says that on MSNBC.  That is world class spin.  I dare not click on that link, for fear my head would come off.

The only way that could be good news is if all 84,000 of them are in the MSM, ACORN, and various other tax eating, non producing entities.

Posted by: MarkD at January 09, 2010 04:08 AM (nur8S)

248

It's an argument by deflection and it's rather pathetic.

I have $41 in my pocket.

You have $45 in yours.

To compare them, we each make a graph of our relative wealth.

Graph them with a bar graph with the origin at 0.

Then, graph them with a bar graph with the origin at 40.

Go ahead, graph them.

Posted by: Uriel at January 09, 2010 05:11 AM (f0MzX)

249

Are you capable of actually refuting the data in the graph, or you more bent out of shape because it's not drawn the way you think it should be? 

Why do people present information in the form of a graph?

Ace says: As you can see, the line appears to mostly follow a straight-line path downward. There is no graceful easing at its terminus.

If all that mattered were the data, you could just TYPE that the total number of jobs has shrunk by 10 million jobs.  But, even that wouldn't be relevant to anyone without answering the question "10 million out of how many total jobs?".

Graphs are made to present the data VISUALLY so that it can be understood in one glance.  In a graph, ALL that matters is "HOW IT'S DRAWN."

Foreshortening the graph steepens the slope.  The slope IS the graph. 

If you can put the origin wherever you want, why not put it at negative 145M? What would the slope look like then?

Riddle me this: where the hell on THAT graph are you going to put all of the job losses that are COMING?

(and yes I apologize for typing that the graph starts in '09 rather than '08. Make you feel better?)

Posted by: Uriel at January 09, 2010 05:26 AM (f0MzX)

250 Well, there's that little bump at the end of the graph.  That must reflect my getting a job in October.

So, silver lining.

Posted by: Pat R. at January 09, 2010 05:26 AM (3rwFl)

251 Uriel, do you have a point other than you don't like the way the graph was done?

Posted by: Deathknyte at January 09, 2010 07:33 AM (QEeuq)

252

The current political aritocracy thinks they can survive 10% unemployment - Europe's lived with it for decades.

US Workforce (Dec.)    ~ 154,000,000
US Unemployed (Dec.) ~  15,400,000 @10%
Avg. losses/mo. 9/09-11/09 ~135,000 (~11,000 in Dec.)
 
Adding back at the 3 mo. rate of loss ~ 4.75 years to reach 5% unemployment (7.7MM unemployed).
Adding back at 2% annual employment growth (approx. during Clinton years) ~2.5 years to reach 5% unemployment.
Adding at the approx. rate of rebound from ’81-’82 trough (~3.3%/yr) ~1.5 years to reach 5% unemployment. (Does anyone think with the things they're doing in Washingland, we can expect growth like the '83 rebound?)

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