October 30, 2016

AoSHQ Postal Match Part I: Results, Report, Scores & More
— Open Blogger

The results are in, they’re real, and they're (some of them) spectacular!

First though, I’d like to thank Ace himself, for affording us the space, place and bandwidth for our indulgences here at Ace of Spades, and also, CBD for his gracious support in helping see to it that Teh Horde had the opportunity to step up and put action to words. Special mention, too, to Yankeefifth, for his vital help with the Excel score-keeping spreadsheet, and to Steck, who helped audit the results.

Now, in the lead up and introduction to this here Postal Match, there were some concerns [x] Noted., that the B-27 target was just too whoppin’ big and easy. Well, it wasn’t.

There were only five perfect scores logged into the match, and one of those*, was not even an official entry. *details on that with scores.

Also, some thought that it would be best to separate the .22 shooters from the rest of the thundering herd. Turned out, not so much. The average .22 score was no better, and no worse, than those turned in by the centerfire gang. Now, granted, up at the NRA Bullseye Expert Match level, the .22 shooter has myriad advantages. Not so much in the land of the common .22 autochucker and occasional old school K-17 wheelgun.

Likewise, the ‘ettes that stepped up, shot as well as the guys, often better. Shooting is one of the few sports where the playing field can be entirely level, and in the case of this match, it would seem that it was.

In all though, the Horde acquitted itself rather well at the range, and extraordinarily well in its correspondence and interactions with your Match Official (me). In some cases, I had to ask for clarifications of info, or better photos, etc. In every case, I was met with courtesy, enthusiasm, honesty, respect and a great willingness to help make this event the success that it so clearly is.

It’s true. An armed Moronosphere is a Polite Moronoshpere!
Thank you, each and every one, both those who shot and sent entries and those who just sent a good word. I’m proud to be counted amongst you all.

So, with no further ado, here are the results!

THE WINNER
and
OTHER PERFECT SCORES

This was a tougher challenge than many appreciated when it was first announced, but a select few rose to the occasion and really put their marksmanship on full display.

In all, there were four perfect scores in the match itself, and one additional perfect score, fired by your humble and gracious match official, as an exhibition target, only.

So, without further ado, let's all doff our caps, hoist our mugs, flagons, chalices, glasses, steins and grog-filled skullcaps, in proper praise and salutation of the winner of the very first Ace of Spades Handgun Postal Match.

Perfect WINNING! score by Moron "Smokestack."

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This was fired with a SIG 320, 9mm full-size platform. And that is one hell of a tight group, with only two rounds barely out of the primary group, and all 50 rounds landing neatly within the "X" ring, with nary a margin-call or quibble. This folks, is what a winning target is supposed to look like!

Bravo Zulu, Smokestack, and thanks for showing us how it's supposed to be done!

CBD will see to it that you get your Platinum Membership, Ampersands and that deuce of Barrel Bail Bonds, stat!

And in descending order, here are the other perfect scores, displayed in order of increasing group-size as seen in the photos.

2nd Place, fired by celebrity shooter Joe Huffman, widely renowned as the host of the annual Boomershoot in the great state of Idaho. If you've ever wanted to take a shot at something and watch it make a very large and loud explosion, well, Joe's your man. I hope one day to be able to make it to a Boomershoot, and then I hope when there, not to make a complete embarrassment of myself from the rifle bench.

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Joe Huffman gun.jpg

A mere one round(!) kissed that line between the "X" and the "10." And while still an "X," it's that difference between 1st and 2nd, here. Still, damn well done, Mr. Huffman!

CBD will mail you your AoS Premium membership, Ampersand privilege and one Get Outta Barrel Card. In roughly, oh... #twoweeks?

Our next perfect score is from Moron Chappyman, who used a gorgeous and utterly classic Hi-Standard .22 Model D Military pistol.

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A couple rounds kissed the line between the "X" and the "10," but those are still "X," per this year's rules. Well done, Chappyman!

The fourth perfect score was from Moron "The Osprey," who used a Glock 17 in 9mm to fire this nice grouping.

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That one round at the 1 o'clock position was this >II< to having missed that line between the "X" and "10," but his rangemaster scored it an "X," it looks like an "X" on my screen, so "X" it is.

Still though, that's some damn good shooting. Anyone should be proud of those perfect scores, anytime, any range, any place. Good job, Osprey!

The lesson to us all there, though? 0.10 of a mm can make the difference between win, place and show. And all of us, each and every one, always has room for improvement. Always.

Finally now, your host's target. Frankly, I'd leave it to Teh Horde to make the comparison between my effort and Smokestack's (deservedly!) winning score. They have different patterns, but both are very tight, very within the boundaries and both are worthy examples of what motivated Morons can do when the pressure is on. No winner here, I'm not in the match, but I thought I'd lump it in with the perfect scores, because, well...it was!

Fired double-action, with S&W Model 28-2 Highway Patrolman, 4" bbl, using .38 Special W-W 148 gr. full wadcutter rounds.

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And those, esteemed Morons & Ettes, are your perfect scores for the match.

AoSHQ Postal Match Full Results (October, 2016)

Part II, Honorable & Special Mentions will be posted at 6:00pm

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:00 AM | Comments (159)
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1 I have been looking forward to this!

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at October 30, 2016 09:00 AM (+eR2D)

2 g'afternoon, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 30, 2016 09:00 AM (KCxzN)

3 How do we know that 20 shots didn't just miss the target altogether?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 30, 2016 09:03 AM (0F67M)

4 Third.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at October 30, 2016 09:03 AM (OkKDg)

5 Nice grouping!!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 30, 2016 09:03 AM (89T5c)

6 Outstanding marksmanship! Congratulations Smokestack; Huffman; Chappyman; The Osprey and CBD!

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at October 30, 2016 09:08 AM (oQQwD)

7 Let the statistical analysis begin!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 30, 2016 09:09 AM (7H/2n)

8 How do we know that 20 shots didn't just miss the target altogether? Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 30, 2016 02:03 PM (0F67M) Because we're not left-wing Journ O' Listers, who have to lie, cheat, steal, misdirect and mislead in order to have any chance to win any contest, ever. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2016 09:09 AM (v5iqM)

9 Congrats to Smokestack! This was awesomely fun. Next time, I'm going to use my .38 SPL Smith and Wesson K-14 Target Masterpiece--well, it's actually my son's since I gave it to him but he won't mind. Love my Tok, though. Love it, love it, love it.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 09:09 AM (mbhHA)

10 When I spoke to the Range Officer about signing off on my target, he took one look and said, "Hell, I'm not putting my name on that thing."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 30, 2016 09:10 AM (7H/2n)

11 thems some damn fine shootin' thanks, Jim, for riding herd over this

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 30, 2016 09:11 AM (KCxzN)

12 This forced me to do slow fire bullseye, which I had not done in a long time. Way too much of my handgun work consists of trying to put controlled pairs somewhere in the target's chest cavity from retention distance out to 25 meters or so racing a shot timer. Hell, I probably shot my fifty rounds in ten minutes. I was racing the sunset to get through my rounds and my pacing was utter shit. Jim, thank you for collating all this. Much appreciated.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at October 30, 2016 09:11 AM (oMc1W)

13 Jim, this was a lot more fun than I expected. I took my wife to the range with me and now she is asking for a pistol for Christmas! Thanks for doing this.

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 09:11 AM (ql3m8)

14 Yeah, I was going to send mine in, but after 50 rounds, fired with my back to the target using a mirror to sight, there was only one hole about the size of a quarter dead center. Also, I used one more mag and shot a smiley face in the head portion of said target. Just didn't want to show off. I'm all humble & shit. *Portions of this story may or may not have been made up*

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 30, 2016 09:11 AM (kTF2Z)

15 Goatlover got a 492/23 with a Colt Agent 38 Special. Wow, just wow.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 09:12 AM (mbhHA)

16 *shoves aside assorted molded plastic trophies in the Participation Trophy case to make room for another*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 30, 2016 09:13 AM (7H/2n)

17 And congratulations to everyone who sacked up and entered, especially you guys who beat me.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at October 30, 2016 09:13 AM (oMc1W)

18 Congratulations to th winners! Nicely done! And special thanks to Jim and everyone for their work making this possible!

Posted by: Weasel at October 30, 2016 09:14 AM (Sfs6o)

19 18 weasel 2nded!

Posted by: ibguy at October 30, 2016 09:15 AM (vUcdz)

20 Excellent shooting! When's the flamethrower competition?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 30, 2016 09:15 AM (IcT7t)

21 Thanks, Jim. Unusual for me to enjoy a solo shooting activity.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 30, 2016 09:15 AM (7H/2n)

22 Wowsa!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Deplorable Cycling Stars (TM) [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at October 30, 2016 09:15 AM (fOgSR)

23 Umm.. am I the only one who noticed that the top of Jim's target, when combined with the papers on the left and right, look like.. um.. something else?

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at October 30, 2016 09:15 AM (hqqM5)

24 Those holes are the perfect size and shape of a ball point pen.

I call shenanigans!



( kidding, nice shooting , you right wing nut jobs! )

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable [/i][/b] at October 30, 2016 09:16 AM (zu88C)

25 *shoves aside assorted molded plastic trophies in the Participation Trophy case to make room for another* Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 30, 2016 02:13 PM (7H/2n)

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 09:16 AM (ql3m8)

26 As you can see from the spreadsheet, there were about SIXTY entries, with well over ONE HUNDRED photos submitted. I'd sent everything to CBD, who tells me that such a number of photos would bog down the Pixyware, to the point that everyone would be thinking that Weirdave's GIF ONT was "the good old days". Everyone should come back to Ace at 6 p.m. Eastern, when CBD will publish a 2nd post of the Match, with Special Added Features! But, Teh Horde, went and done good here in this Match. Real damn good, at that. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2016 09:17 AM (v5iqM)

27 Where's my entry? Anthony was supposed to email it to you.

Posted by: Huma Abbadabbado at October 30, 2016 09:17 AM (97XyN)

28 Some pretty impressive shooting. I didn't expect that many perfect scores. It looks like we are in good shape when the lefties come for our guns and Bibles. Molon labe!

Posted by: WarEagle82 at October 30, 2016 09:17 AM (LHa1m)

29 Congratulations to all for these perfect scores. I am really impressed. And had a ton of fun doing the match. That Hi-Standard and the S and W Model 28 definitely caught my eye. Did you use reloads or commercial 39 WCs for the Model 28? If reloads, what was the powder and charge? Inquiring (and nosy) minds want to know.

Posted by: JTB at October 30, 2016 09:17 AM (V+03K)

30 Looking forward to seeing some unusual firearms on the list. It seems like now shooting a revolver is like driving a Model A. The High Standard is a real treat! Great shooting and thanks for the work on it.

Posted by: Jim Gilmore at October 30, 2016 09:17 AM (PxqU/)

31 Off former governor sock from last night.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 30, 2016 09:18 AM (PxqU/)

32 In every case, I was met with courtesy, enthusiasm, honesty, respect and a great willingness to help make this event the success that it so clearly is.
---
oh please...

we both know i cussed you out on the phone AND in e-mail...


Posted by: redc1c4 at October 30, 2016 09:19 AM (KWUK6)

33 Nice shooting! Please let me know if I even get close to pissing you off.

Posted by: NaCly Dog [/i] at October 30, 2016 09:19 AM (u82oZ)

34 I'm sad I didn't try, but not sure where I could have gone to do it. Good show to all who participated. Rifles or crew served weapons next?

Posted by: Skip at October 30, 2016 09:19 AM (sWbjH)

35 The landscape is strewn with the bodies of B-27's. Sad, really.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 30, 2016 09:21 AM (7H/2n)

36 Did you use reloads or commercial 39 WCs for the Model 28? If reloads, what was the powder and charge? Inquiring (and nosy) minds want to know. Posted by: JTB at October 30, 2016 02:17 PM (V+03K) I fired Winchester factory loads, 148 gr. wadcutters. Manufactured late '70s to mid '80s, depending on which particular box I grabbed that day. Old ammo ain't necessarily bad ammo, long as it's be stored correctly. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2016 09:21 AM (v5iqM)

37 There are some good shooters in here, although I would not have expected less from the horde. Thanks Jim, for all the effort and work it took to run this. That was a hoot and a ton of fun. I can't wait for the next one. Can we do rifles next time? I have a slew of Swiss rifles, Finn Mosins, 1903's and garands, Swede rifles, and Old European mausers just dying for a workout. Lets make it interesting.....200 yards and iron sights. We can use the same target (B-27) which is nice for minute of man.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 30, 2016 09:21 AM (cCxiu)

38 Damn typos! Make that 38 WCs.

Posted by: JTB at October 30, 2016 09:22 AM (V+03K)

39 Wow, you people are amazing. Congratulations to all of you! Nice to see some 'ettes represented. Jim, this was a huge undertaking. Job well done. Just wow.

Posted by: bluebell at October 30, 2016 09:24 AM (uHcnA)

40 Jim, Thanks for the ammo specs. And a TON of thanks for doing the match.

Posted by: JTB at October 30, 2016 09:25 AM (V+03K)

41 Forward these photos to DU.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2016 09:26 AM (SRKgf)

42 *Those holes are the perfect size and shape of a ball point pen. I call shenanigans!* Hey! It's just a coincidence that my pen used for scoring was .2245 inches diameter.

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 09:27 AM (ql3m8)

43 I want to see pix of the pistols next. Serious gun porn.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 09:27 AM (mbhHA)

44 Wow, I thought I shot pretty well for my first entry into any sort of competition - but I was SO outclassed. Still, good to know that we Morons and 'ettes are such fabulous shots - I know who I want watching my six when the Revolution comes!

Posted by: Pat* at October 30, 2016 09:28 AM (qC1ju)

45 The shooting doesn't suprise me, there are a lot of competent marksman out there and they all are not hanging out at the Huff Post.

Posted by: Skip at October 30, 2016 09:28 AM (sWbjH)

46 Great shooting folks! Thanks Jim for putting this all together. Maybe I can join in sometime when I get back to the range.

Posted by: turambar at October 30, 2016 09:28 AM (JtIBD)

47 Nice job all.  Have been looking forward to the results. Amazing talent.

Posted by: Infidel at October 30, 2016 09:29 AM (cXZZD)

48 I have a PSA: 

When the barrel swivel link on your Browning style pistol breaks, DO NOT reassemble your pistol until you have replaced the link.  Otherwise it will lock in battery and won't come out until you get something to push down the barrel to force it out of battery while you ease the slide back.
Three hands may be necessary.

Screaming DamnitDamnitDamnit may also be involved at some point.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 30, 2016 09:29 AM (wxBiU)

49 I want to see pix of the pistols next. Serious gun porn.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 02:27 PM (mbhHA)

You have no idea....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 30, 2016 09:33 AM (Zu3d9)

50 It would take some blessedly willing Moron or 'Ette to offer up the time, effort and webspace to host all of the photos on something like photobucket or similar. And then to provide the link to everyone to see all the pics. I think I crashed CBD's email when I sent him all the stuff for the write-up, here. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2016 09:34 AM (v5iqM)

51 Impressive shooting folks! My targets look like #8 field loads @ 100yds.

Posted by: BignJames at October 30, 2016 09:36 AM (9RGU3)

52 Congratulations to the winners! I had a lot more fun shooting this than I expected. Thanks to you, Jim, and CBD, for putting this together. And thanks to that ace guy, too, for giving the go ahead and giving us a cool place to loiter.

Posted by: the deplorable chiefjaybob, who hates everyone at October 30, 2016 09:36 AM (G2Sc9)

53 I have had the privilege of going shooting with Osprey. A gentleman and a Moron.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 30, 2016 09:38 AM (CUYn5)

54 Congratulations to all who shot, and thanks to Jim and everyone who worked on this !

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on[/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 30, 2016 09:38 AM (Z8DIA)

55 I'm the proud owner of a brand new Smith and Wesson MandP AR-15.  I can't wait to give it a try.

Posted by: pep at October 30, 2016 09:39 AM (LAe3v)

56 Well done Horde! The winners have motivated/inspired me to spend more time at the range. Jim and CDB, thank you both so much for making this happen.

Posted by: Butch at October 30, 2016 09:39 AM (hXu8T)

57 I know next to nothing about guns. Okay, not a thing. But that is just some marvelous shooting, Morons! Thanks to everyone who entered. Very fun to look at the pics. Awesome. Remember, I'm on your side.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 30, 2016 09:40 AM (Z80Ib)

58 So, I use the conservation department range because it's very nice (NSSF 4 star range in fact.) Upshot is they have a lot of weird rules (3 sec. between shots, must choose either standing or bench at the start of the 10 minute firing session, can't switch.) One of the rules is "No silhouette targets" (actually nothing human looking at all.) Search me why, I guess they have a reason. So next time if we could do something with a regular target it'd suit me better . (I could find a different range I suppose, but as I said, nice range, cheap to use, let's me shoot slugs when I need to sight my deer gun.)

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 30, 2016 09:40 AM (dzmBR)

59 Sig 320? I never heard of this? Is this new from Sig Sauer?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2016 09:41 AM (fZ1P+)

60 Love the idea of an iron sight rifle match next time. I suggest no more than 100 yards since I suspect many won't have easy access to longer range than that. Also, suggest making it a bench rest match so that arm strength isn't a factor. Just some thoughts. Damn, this stuff is fun!

Posted by: JTB at October 30, 2016 09:42 AM (V+03K)

61 Jim, I'd be willing to see if I can host the photos for you, if you'd like.  How big is the file?

Email ordinaryavggal at the yahoo place

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at October 30, 2016 09:43 AM (+eR2D)

62 Heckler & Koch I always wanted a H&K because I liked the name. Sounds like two bandits from the 1800's.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2016 09:43 AM (fZ1P+)

63 Well .... I did as expected. I secured the bottom half. In my defense, I was doing rapid shooting. My targets were shot an average of 3 minutes. Good thing I didn't submit my point-shooting targets

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 30, 2016 09:44 AM (zc3Db)

64 Damn fine shooting.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2016 09:45 AM (f735k)

65 Heckler and Koch would be great names for pets. Or boobs.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2016 09:45 AM (fZ1P+)

66 The range i went to was indoors. How many of y'all shot at an outdoor range?

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 09:46 AM (ql3m8)

67 tar @ 58 - Sounds like the range caters to Fudds: hunters who think the gun grabbers will leave them and their bolties alone.

Posted by: Butch at October 30, 2016 09:46 AM (hXu8T)

68 Sooth,

http://tinyurl.com/mszebfq

Sig 320

I just Googled it. First time I ever heard of it.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable [/i][/b] at October 30, 2016 09:47 AM (zu88C)

69 Well .... I did as expected. I secured the bottom half. In my defense, I was doing rapid shooting. My targets were shot an average of 3 minutes. Good thing I didn't submit my point-shooting targets Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 30, 2016 02:44 PM (zc3Db) On one of your entries, you shot a 476/14 with a High Point C-9. You don't need a defense. You done good.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 09:47 AM (mbhHA)

70 Danger Girl. No clue as to file size. I sent the pics to CBD as email attachments, ten attachments per email. They came in from the shooters' emails, and I set up a folder on my drive for 'em, and stored them there as they arrived. When I wrote up the summary, I sent them in spreadsheet-order, most often a pic of the target with a pic of the gun, sequentially. I have no idea what they'd all add up to in some hosting site's format? Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2016 09:47 AM (v5iqM)

71 tsr, not tar, effing autocucumber!

Posted by: Butch at October 30, 2016 09:48 AM (hXu8T)

72 The range i went to was indoors. How many of y'all shot at an outdoor range? Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 02:46 PM (ql3m I don't even know of any outdoor ranges around me that are open to the public. And the Pennsylvania state ranges are all crap. They have some idiotic rules such as you can't have more than 3 rounds in your mag ... Totally ridiculous.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 30, 2016 09:48 AM (zc3Db)

73 Send em my way, we'll see what happens.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at October 30, 2016 09:49 AM (+eR2D)

74 57 ... washrivergal, I don't know where you are located but if it's northern Virginia there are several of us who could show you the ropes on safe handling and target procedures.

Posted by: JTB at October 30, 2016 09:49 AM (V+03K)

75 Off-hand at 100 yards with iron sights? 100 yards is doable for most folks, and off-hand would be a good challenge. It occurs to me that I haven't shot a cartridge rifle off-hand yet. Some of those that I have might be a bit more comfortable that way, rather than scrunching down with with a steel buttplate on my collarbone...

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 30, 2016 09:49 AM (bZ7mE)

76 The range i went to was indoors. How many of y'all shot at an outdoor range? Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 02:46 PM (ql3m I shot outdoors but it was a beautiful day. Can't blame the weather. Wait, what am I saying? I shot a 479/12 with a 60-year-old piece of commie milsurp tractor steel. I don't blame anything. I'm ridiculously pleased with myself.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 09:49 AM (mbhHA)

77 Posted by: Jim at October 30, 2016 02:47 PM (v5iqM) ------------- That's a nice looking shootin' iron you have there!

Posted by: Weasel at October 30, 2016 09:50 AM (Sfs6o)

78 http://tinyurl.com/mszebfq Sig 320 I just checked out the specs -- I like this 320 way more than my P239.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2016 09:50 AM (fZ1P+)

79 Dayam! That is some great shooting, gents! Thank you Jim, I had a lot of fun shooting for the match!

Posted by: Dick Poulin at October 30, 2016 09:50 AM (sMt7r)

80 And yeah, wow, more time at the range, definitely.

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on[/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 30, 2016 09:51 AM (Z8DIA)

81 Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 02:49 PM (mbhHA)

Bought a new one @buds a couple months ago...haven't fired it yet.

Posted by: BignJames at October 30, 2016 09:52 AM (9RGU3)

82 On one of your entries, you shot a 476/14 with a High Point C-9. You don't need a defense. You done good. Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 02:47 PM (mbhHA) Thanks troy. Let me know if the check doesn't clear I really do love that Hi-Point, though. It's my favorite gun.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 30, 2016 09:52 AM (zc3Db)

83 Appropriate that I saw the results when I'm at the range.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 30, 2016 09:52 AM (zfBZT)

84 Well done Horde! The winners have motivated/inspired me to spend more time at the range. Jim and CDB, thank you both so much for making this happen. Posted by: Butch at October 30, 2016 02:39 PM (hXu8T) Congrats to all!! And yeah even though I didn't participate, this has motivated me to go out and work on my own shooting to compare with how well the pros here have done.

Posted by: Country Boy - Deplorable and proud of it at October 30, 2016 09:53 AM (Idu2i)

85 tar @ 58 - Sounds like the range caters to Fudds: hunters who think the gun grabbers will leave them and their bolties alone. Posted by: Butch at October 30, 2016 02:46 PM (hXu8T) Hardly, There are usually more AR's there than hunting rifles. More likely it was that some moron taped their boss's picture to a human looking target, someone freaked out and we got a stupid rule that stuck.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 30, 2016 09:54 AM (dzmBR)

86 That 320 Carry might be my next purchase.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2016 09:54 AM (f735k)

87 Jim and CBD and the rest who helped out, thanks for this match. It was great fun. I have to go run out and hit the driving range, now. 77 and sunny ... for a little while more. Great shooting everyone.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 30, 2016 09:58 AM (zc3Db)

88 The Sig 320 is basically a striker fired version of the 250. Good gun, but I shoot better with a VP9 or a PPQ. On a lighter note, I've been waiting on a custom Cabot 1911 for almost a year now and delivery should be in the next 30 days. Can't wait.

Posted by: Mango at October 30, 2016 09:59 AM (N2yVN)

89 That 320 Carry might be my next purchase. For your purse, Garrett?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2016 10:00 AM (fZ1P+)

90 These results just further convince me that I'm no pistoleer.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 30, 2016 10:01 AM (0F67M)

91 @ thodie- "How many of ya'all shot at an outdoor range?" I shot outdoors. The range is only 2-3 miles from my house. Sunny, very light breeze and a darn nice day it was.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 30, 2016 10:02 AM (cCxiu)

92 For your purse, Garrett? it's not a purse, it's a messenger bag

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 30, 2016 10:02 AM (KCxzN)

93 It was a gift.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 30, 2016 10:02 AM (0F67M)

94 <i>That 320 Carry might be my next purchase. </i>

For your purse, Garrett?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2016 03:00 PM (fZ1P+)

Bike messenger bag.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 30, 2016 10:02 AM (Zu3d9)

95 The 320 Subcompact is 5 ozs lighter and holds 1 more 9mm round than the P239 9mm. I am not happy about this. The 320 sub appears to be far superior to my little 239.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2016 10:03 AM (fZ1P+)

96 Yep. I need to spend the winter on the pistol range - I had a couple of real squeakers on my target!

Posted by: Weasel at October 30, 2016 10:03 AM (Sfs6o)

97 Bike messenger bag. Whatever gets you there, bro.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 30, 2016 10:03 AM (fZ1P+)

98 Oh, to whichever one of you morons clued me in to the CG 63's at Sarco, it should be here next week. I called and they said they were a little backed up on shipping. Anyway Thanks for the heads up. That should be a darn accurate shooter. I'm pretty excited to try that one out.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 30, 2016 10:05 AM (cCxiu)

99 >>For your purse, Garrett? It's European!

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2016 10:06 AM (f735k)

100 74 57 ... washrivergal, I don't know where you are located but if it's northern Virginia there are several of us who could show you the ropes on safe handling and target procedures. Posted by: JTB at October 30, 2016 02:49 PM (V+03K) === I'd love to but I live in Washington state. Thanks for the offer though!

Posted by: washrivergal at October 30, 2016 10:07 AM (Z80Ib)

101 I think washrivergal lives along/near the Columbia.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2016 10:08 AM (f735k)

102 Kinda on topic, anyone have experience shooting a Walther PK380? The wife is looking at this for her carry gun.

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 10:08 AM (ql3m8)

103 ...which should be loading up with Steelhead, right now.

Posted by: garrett at October 30, 2016 10:09 AM (f735k)

104 Oh about a rifle match sometimes we do 2, same rifle/same distance. We do one- offhand, then the second one bench, support, sandbags. So the 2nd one (bench) tests the accuracy of the rifle. The 1st one (offhand) adds in YOUR contribution to the system which I always find humbling.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at October 30, 2016 10:09 AM (cCxiu)

105 Thinking about moving to a different part of the state, heard they may have squirrels there. Would this be adequate for that problem? http://preview.tinyurl.com/z2bcchj (sfw)

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 30, 2016 10:10 AM (IcT7t)

106 How do we know those holes weren't poked with a pencil? Seriously, damn good shootin'!

Posted by: Insomniac - Broken, No Refunds at October 30, 2016 10:10 AM (lHWU9)

107 92 For your purse, Garrett? it's not a purse, it's a messenger bag Posted by: AltonJackson a European Shoulder Bag

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 30, 2016 10:10 AM (zfBZT)

108 Lucky thing I don't have problems with the barrel, or I'd be disappointed at my showing. Y'all are some shootin' fools.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 30, 2016 10:13 AM (zfBZT)

109 Washrivergal, what side of the mountains? Anywhere near Snohomish?

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at October 30, 2016 10:15 AM (SuJIo)

110 By the way, she won't say this but the match was the first time in two years Mrs. JTB has shot. And people sometimes wonder why I'm not worried about home defense. :-) We shot outdoors when the weather was comfortably cool and calm. Beautiful day.

Posted by: JTB at October 30, 2016 10:16 AM (V+03K)

111 Blanco Basura, that rifle should be mounted on a swivel

Posted by: Kindltot at October 30, 2016 10:16 AM (wxBiU)

112
Bike messenger bag.
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European Men's Fashion Satchel

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable [/i][/b] at October 30, 2016 10:17 AM (zu88C)

113 Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 30, 2016 03:10 PM (IcT7t) I believe you could shake the squirrels out of a tree with that thing. Cool viddo, have no desire to shoot one.

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 10:17 AM (ql3m8)

114

I believe that the man-bun scrunchy is included.

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable [/i][/b] at October 30, 2016 10:18 AM (zu88C)

115 Kinda on topic, anyone have experience shooting a Walther PK380?

The wife is looking at this for her carry gun.

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 03:08 PM (ql3m



I had one, didn't like it.  It was too light for my personal preference and I had a lot of issues with FTL, no matter the ammo brand or magazine.  I'm sure it's a good gun and it is a nice size for carry, but I just had a bad experience and didn't feel like I could rely on it.


She should probably go shoot one first, to see if she likes it.  I found I like a heavier, larger gun but again, that is all personal preference.

Posted by: @DangerGirl (gab.ai) and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at October 30, 2016 10:19 AM (+eR2D)

116 I drove past an outdoor range the day i shot. We had a 15-20 mph wind blowing across the range on a 30 degree angle. I wasn't sure the targets would stat attached.

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 10:20 AM (ql3m8)

117 My 496 could have been better, but not THAT much better. Still, I now have reason to practice and do better. Good to be in the company of such marksmanship--thanks to the organizers!

Posted by: Kevin C at October 30, 2016 10:20 AM (9khZC)

118 TKinda on topic, anyone have experience shooting a Walther PK380? The wife is looking at this for her carry gun. Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 03:08 PM (ql3m My Stepfather owned the original .32 ACP version of the Walther PPK (the James Bond gun). I shot it all the time. It had a sharp recoil, as many blowback-design pistols do. I can only imagine its sharpness of recoil would be exaggerated in a larger caliber. On the (very) plus side, it was amazingly accurate and beautifully made. There are some pistols, like my little 32 ACP Seecamp, which are intended solely as self-defense weapons, not as fun day-at-the-range guns. They're uncomfortable to shoot over any period of time. Current .380 PPKs probably fall into that category.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 10:21 AM (mbhHA)

119
Comey's decision came as he could no longer resist mounting pressure by mutinous agents in the FBI, including some of his top deputies, according to a source

http://tinyurl.com/h35nrb5

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*grins*

Posted by: Mortimer, deplorable [/i][/b] at October 30, 2016 10:24 AM (zu88C)

120 tbodie, if your wife wants a .380 Beretta makes a nice selection.  They LIKE .380 and do it well.
I know people who have Berettas in .380 and they love them. 

Posted by: Kindltot at October 30, 2016 10:24 AM (wxBiU)

121 our CG 63 is supposed to land at the FFL on Tuesday, which is good, cause they aren't open on Monday... we can do the papers on it AND pick up the nickle Wolverine at the same time.

i too would like to thank whomever pointed those out.


Posted by: redc1c4 at October 30, 2016 10:24 AM (KWUK6)

122 DangerGirl, troyriser and Kindltot thanks for the feedback!

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 10:28 AM (ql3m8)

123 tbodie: Shot outdoors, at a range out in the woods behind a friends house.

Posted by: the deplorable sock_rat_eez, stay calm and carry on[/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 30, 2016 10:36 AM (Z8DIA)

124 tbodie, My one experience with the Walther .380 was not good. The recoil was sharp and there were several failures to eject. If possible, have your wife try a Smith and Wesson M and P Shield in 9mm. Small, light, accurate and it has been completely reliable. Also, Mrs. JTB, with her small hands, has no problem racking the slide. The Springfield XD 9mm is similar but slightly heavier. She prefers the Shield. Just a suggestion.

Posted by: JTB at October 30, 2016 10:37 AM (V+03K)

125 tbodie: Just some anecdotal stuff: when I worked at the gun store, the most popular .380 amongst the ladies was the Bersa Thunder 380. The ones that wanted to go to 9mm or .40 tended to select Kahr models.

Posted by: Country Singer (gab @BertG) at October 30, 2016 10:41 AM (GUBah)

126 Nice shooting Ya'll.......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 30, 2016 10:42 AM (ej1L0)

127 "My one experience with the Walther .380 was not good. The recoil was sharp and there were several failures to eject."

Let me echo those concerns, having experienced ongoing, seemingly endemic extraction problems with a Walther.

A weapon for defensive carry has to run with steady reliability.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 30, 2016 10:43 AM (noWW6)

128 The shield in 9mm is a great suggestion, as are Glock 42 or 43. There are a ton of 380s that have hit the shelves in the past few years.

Posted by: Mango at October 30, 2016 10:46 AM (N2yVN)

129 The SIG .380, miniature 1911 is a good choice, if you're a 1911 shooter. Same manual of arms & muscle memory. That can pay dividends when in mid-adrenaline dump. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2016 10:49 AM (v5iqM)

130 109 Washrivergal, what side of the mountains? Anywhere near Snohomish? Posted by: Sabrina Chase at October 30, 2016 03:15 PM (SuJIo) === Way, way down south - just on the other side of Oregon.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 30, 2016 10:54 AM (Z80Ib)

131 The 938?

Posted by: Mango at October 30, 2016 10:54 AM (N2yVN)

132 Since we're (now) talking about reliability, my Taurus-made Berretta 92 clone, the PT-92, has never failed me, ever, after many, many hundreds of rounds. Neither has my Tokarev (although some of that old commie milsurp ammo failed) or my Makarov, before I gave it to my daughter. No revolver I own has failed to fire.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 10:56 AM (mbhHA)

133 Troyriser. That S&W Highway Patrolman I used to shoot the match? I've fired so many rounds though it, that it has very noticeable flame-cutting of the top strap, above the barrel cylinder gap. It's been my competition gun since about 1980, so....... Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2016 10:59 AM (v5iqM)

134 WooHoo!

Thanks for hosting, Jim. Lets do another soon!

I saw a lot of comments/questions about the Sig 320. It's been great for me. I use it in IDPA competition. It is stock except for the custom grip module and mag base plates. It's as reliable as my glock, but I find it to be more accurate.

Posted by: Smokestack at October 30, 2016 11:03 AM (3e/Uq)

135 And thanks to everyone for the comments and insight. The failure issues just put the PK out of consideration. Will book mark this post and have her try as many of the recommended guns as we xan find at the range. Additional suggestions are welcomed.

Posted by: tbodie at October 30, 2016 11:06 AM (ql3m8)

136
Way, way down south - just on the other side of Oregon.
Posted by: washrivergal at October 30, 2016 03:54 PM (Z80Ib)


Well, make a noise if you ever plan to go to Salem or Silver Falls State Park, or that area. 
May be able to do something for you.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 30, 2016 11:09 AM (wxBiU)

137 Posted by: Jim at October 30, 2016 03:59 PM (v5iqM) I suspect you're one of those guys who could throw pebbles at a target and score 500. I don't think platform has much to do with it. True story: FBI agent and shooting legend Jelly Bryce was out hunting with some friends, called the shot, and then drew and shot a rabbit on the run in the eye at 30 yards with his revolver. Bryce is one of my personal heroes.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 11:12 AM (mbhHA)

138 I had such a good time doing this. I'm hooked now. I know what I want for Christmas this year. Y'all look out after I practice for about 10 years.

Posted by: no good deed at October 30, 2016 11:17 AM (/O5Ax)

139 True story: FBI agent and shooting legend Jelly Bryce was out hunting with some friends, called the shot, and then drew and shot a rabbit on the run in the eye at 30 yards with his revolver. Bryce is one of my personal heroes. Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 04:12 PM (mbhHA) I'd just enjoy watching the surveillance cam video of some poor shmuck who'd try to rob Jerry Miculeck at an ATM machine. That'd be comedy gold, right there! Oh, and thanks for your kind thoughts. I just wish I had the eyeballs I had at age 19. I was shooting groups like you see in the Postal Match, but at twenty-five yards. *sigh* Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at October 30, 2016 11:21 AM (v5iqM)

140 Greetings: Back in my infantry days, I used to tell my new soldiers this parable. Two young riflemen were having the age-old philosophical discussion about where to shoot those who would oppose them. One was a "head-shooter"; the other preferred the "center-mass" (torso). The head-shooter asserted that if you hit him, he's done. The center-mass guy liked the larger target area. As they were going back and forth, their Platoon Sergeant came by. "Hey, Sarge," called out the head-shooter, "where do you like to shoot the bad guys?" "In the back," he replied. As many as you can, as often as you can, anywhere and any way you can.

Posted by: 11B40 at October 30, 2016 11:23 AM (evgyj)

141 Impressive shooting! I am hiding behind y'all when the SHTF.

Posted by: Votermom the Deplorable @vm on Gab.ai at October 30, 2016 11:25 AM (Om16U)

142 Impressive shooting! I am hiding behind y'all when the SHTF.
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good: you can load the mags as we empty them...

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 30, 2016 11:35 AM (KWUK6)

143 "In the back," he replied.
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if you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck

Posted by: redc1c4, 11H10, long long ago at October 30, 2016 11:37 AM (KWUK6)

144 if you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck Posted by: redc1c4, 11H10, long long ago at October 30, 2016 04:37 PM (KWUK6) "We prefer a proportionate response." Said no soldier ever.

Posted by: troyriser at October 30, 2016 11:38 AM (mbhHA)

145 "where do you like to shoot the bad guys?" From orbit.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 30, 2016 11:43 AM (0F67M)

146 "where do you like to shoot the bad guys?" From launch control of a Tomahawk.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at October 30, 2016 11:44 AM (LxewV)

147 I feel safer knowing that all of you sharpshooters are on the side of good.

Posted by: m at October 30, 2016 11:46 AM (/4GEs)

148 gonna go to the car parts store for a can of quick start...

how is this gun related you ask?

well, if i get the car that's been dead in the portico up and running, i can sell it to the guy at the corner, and take the $$ over to the FFL and pay off the Steyr rifle  in 460 that we've had on hold for a month or 3... the owner is getting anxious for their money, unexpectedly.

Posted by: redc1c4 at October 30, 2016 11:47 AM (KWUK6)

149 Posted by: no good deed at October 30, 2016 04:17 PM (/O5Ax) ------------- You need to give yourself more credit!

Posted by: Weasel at October 30, 2016 11:53 AM (Sfs6o)

150 Eris, was that RSVP?

Posted by: Kindltot at October 30, 2016 11:54 AM (wxBiU)

151 wrong thread

Posted by: Kindltot at October 30, 2016 11:54 AM (wxBiU)

152 I'm sure it must be a gag, but over on Twitter there is a site for the DPRK (the Norks) and the stuff posted there is hysterically funny.

Posted by: navybrat at October 30, 2016 12:01 PM (w7KSn)

153 Was a lot of fun. Need to do something similar again. Maybe from further out. js

Posted by: pollar at October 30, 2016 12:57 PM (2X0wR)

154 See? I toldja I suck. But I'm getting better. Practice is everything.

Posted by: og at October 30, 2016 12:58 PM (jyqWk)

155 Great shooting horde. I'm especially inspired by Jim SND's double action work! I've only ever shot two wheel guns with triggers smooth enough for me to even attempt to shoot for score double action (a Colt Python and a S&W Performance Center 686+) and even then I couldn't come close to that target. I'm glad participation was so good. Looking forward to the next.

Posted by: Subterranean JT at October 30, 2016 01:03 PM (qG0hz)

156 I'd love a rifle irons match, as long as you trust me not to use the offset scope mounted on my K31. (I just got it zeroed. I hate to have to zero it again.)

Posted by: Fishbreath at October 30, 2016 03:28 PM (Y52uK)

157 Hmm. Damn. I'd have to hand-load at least 50 rounds for a rifle match. Maybe a 25 shot match?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 30, 2016 04:29 PM (ysprU)

158 Outstanding work, congrats to all the winners. My first, very first round was in the 9 ring. But the rest were on target.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at October 30, 2016 05:00 PM (hR1Jj)

159 Nice Shooting Morons! Sorry I missed this thread yesterday but I was actually RO'ing at Scottsdale Gun Club which is my regular gig on Sunday afternoons. Gotta love those nice clean round holes from the wadcutters, Jim. I think I'm going to have to dig the Ruger GP100 out of the back of the safe and do some more revolver shooting.

Posted by: The Osprey at October 31, 2016 06:31 AM (Nejrs)

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