September 30, 2011

America's Dependency on Foreign Oil... Dropped Significantly?
— Ace

At Instapundit. I didn't know about this until Monty tipped it.

At NPR, a story about the Bakken oil fields.

Now, I did read this was a big field, but I didn't know it was already producing so much, or that it was expected to produce even more.

Two years ago, America was importing about two thirds of its oil. Today, according to the Energy Information Administration, it imports less than half. And by 2017, investment bank Goldman Sachs predicts the US could be poised to pass Saudi Arabia and overtake Russia as the world's largest oil producer.

Places like Williston are the reason why.

"For many years, they knew that there was oil in that area, but the technology wasn't available to get it out," the town's mayor, Ward Koeser, tells weekends on All Things Considered host Guy Raz.

But in the last few years, advances in such technologies as "fracking" and horizontal drilling have made, by some estimates, as much as 11 billion barrels of oil available in the Bakken formation under North Dakota and Montana.

"There's oil companies coming from all over the country now." Koeser says.

Williston has skipped the recession entirely. Unemployment there is less than 2 percent. The population, the mayor estimates, has grown from 12,000 to 20,000 in the last four years.

"We actually have probably between 2,000 and 3,000 job openings in Williston right now," Koeser says.

Now, add ANWR and the California coast into the mix. Things start to look a little more hopeful.

But Note: Warren points out:

I suspect that a good part of this is related to lower demand due to a weakened economy. And you thought that Obama's economic policies weren't accomplishing anything.

Yes, that's true, energy demand falls in recessions and depressions, so we'd have less need of foreign crude. But still, 66% to 50% is a big drop-off that can't (I don't think) be explained away by idled resources.

Posted by: Ace at 07:43 AM | Comments (256)
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1 Now, add ANWR and the California coast into the mix. Things start to look a little more hopeful.

Subtract Obama, Reid, and Pelosi and things might work out.

Posted by: kansas at September 30, 2011 07:44 AM (mka2b)

2 "We actually have probably between 2,000 and 3,000 job openings in Williston right now," Koeser says.

What's a job opening?

Posted by: Obama at September 30, 2011 07:46 AM (usXZy)

3 And I've been seeing a lot of "No Frakkin' Way!" bumper stickers recently...

Posted by: Pyrocles at September 30, 2011 07:47 AM (cv5Iw)

4

How long before the Democrats figure this out and start buying up the land and declaring it "Federally Protected"?

Or can we once and for all tell the Saudis to stick it where the sun don't shine and let them get back to the Stone Age they all seem to enjoy so much?

After all, that "Arab Spring" turned out so well for all involved, didn't it?  If they're having to spend all of their money keeping the animals at bay, there won't be any left over to pay people to take out America....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 30, 2011 07:47 AM (0xqzf)

5 And it pretty much refutes all of FROTUS's claims about drilling here now. Maybe his IQ is even lower than I first thought.

Posted by: Lawrence of the Labia at September 30, 2011 07:48 AM (+kthb)

6 Now, add ANWR and the California coast into the mix. Things start to look a little more hopeful.

Not until the SCOAMF and his gang of fuckups leave town for good.

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2011 07:48 AM (GQ8sn)

7 Perry 2012: "Tired of being Frakked?"

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 07:48 AM (OhYCU)

8 "We actually have probably between 2,000 and 3,000 job openings in Williston right now," Koeser says.

We have five espresso machine operator, a massage scheduler and 10 mechanics who specialize in repairing singing robots available for immediate hire.

Posted by: Solyndra Placement Office at September 30, 2011 07:48 AM (QKKT0)

9 I suspect that a good part of this is related to lower demand due to a weakened economy.  And you thought that Obama's economic policies weren't accomplishing anything.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 30, 2011 07:48 AM (Hx5uv)

10 "We actually have probably between 2,000 and 3,000 job openings in Williston right now," Koeser says.

Holy crap!

I think TexasJew is in the oil biz and goes to ND often....or maybe he's a janitor.

Posted by: Tami at September 30, 2011 07:48 AM (X6akg)

11 "We actually have probably between 2,000 and 3,000 job openings in Williston right now," Koeser says.

Job openings , Oil?

Holder take care of that for me would you

Posted by: willow at September 30, 2011 07:49 AM (h+qn8)

12

Now, add ANWR and the California coast into the mix. Things start to look a little more hopeful.

 

Oh, and also add building some new refineries with less obstruction from the EPA.   Because, I don't know, maybe a booming energy industry and cheaper energy might just be good for the economy.   Y'think?

 

 

Posted by: The Regular Guy at September 30, 2011 07:49 AM (qHCyt)

13 ClusterFrakker?

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 07:49 AM (OhYCU)

14 ANWR?  Offshore?

Yeah, maybe once we've taken the electoral tongs and plucked Obama out of the Oval Office.

That's one aspect that scares me about Romney.  We need an executive who will remove entire limbs from the bureaucratic body of government.  I have a hard time imagining Romney giving it much more than a pedicure. 

Posted by: JEM at September 30, 2011 07:49 AM (o+SC1)

15

Now, add ANWR and the California coast into the mix. Things start to look a little more hopeful.

Not until Zero and his pubic lice Administration, anong with their enforcement arm the EPA are a distant and reviled memory.

Posted by: The Amorous Rooster of Retribution at September 30, 2011 07:50 AM (OlN4e)

16 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POLAR BEARS?????

Posted by: Thoughtful Liberal at September 30, 2011 07:50 AM (stEuz)

17

Now, add ANWR and the California coast into the mix. Things start to look a little more hopeful.

Not if the EPA and the eco-tards have anything to say about it. 

Posted by: Obama at September 30, 2011 07:50 AM (9hSKh)

18 So, now would be the time to invest in whorehouses in Williston? Check out the city's webpage. It has a crude oil price index.

Posted by: mike at September 30, 2011 07:50 AM (0lHnX)

19 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

And this will be yet one more reason we don't "need" ANWR or Coastal drilling.

Which, actually, I'm fine with- if these fields produce as much as advertised.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 07:50 AM (8y9MW)

20 Now if we would just start converting our vehicles to natural gas and hydrogen we can tell Europe and the oil ticks to FOAD.

Posted by: MrCaniac at September 30, 2011 07:50 AM (eKuOw)

21 I'm sure the EPA is sending biologists to find a grasshopper or beetle that would be endangered if the oil fields aren't shut down

With the EPA planning on adding 230,000 new busybody hacks, they surely won't ignore the Williston fields

Posted by: kbdabear at September 30, 2011 07:51 AM (Y+DPZ)

22 I think we are using less oil due to the recession as well...

yeah.. here it is.. consumption is down over 10%..

http://tli.tl/is1541

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 07:51 AM (f9c2L)

23 At some point, you've drilled enough oil.

Posted by: Obama's Disney-Tune Whistling Robots at September 30, 2011 07:51 AM (Hx5uv)

24 Don't worry, guys! WE'll PUT A STOP TO THIS ASAP!

Posted by: The EPA at September 30, 2011 07:51 AM (niZvt)

25 Western North Dakota and Eastern Montana are sitting on a sea of oil. I've owned Brigham Exploration Co. for awhile and their BPOE are going up ,up and away with the technology of fraking and multi pad drilling. No reason this should stop , but we know one reason why it could.

Posted by: jjshaka at September 30, 2011 07:51 AM (l53fx)

26 Uh oh.  They should never have let this story get out. I can see a new moratorium coming from Zero any day now.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 30, 2011 07:52 AM (dIHHd)

27 Didn't the neo-commies tell us there was no point drilling cause it wouldn't make a difference anyway? All this country needs to right itself is to climb out of the mountain of lies the left has buried us under. Cheap energy should be the #1 thing the republican contenders are talking about.

Posted by: Heartless Janitors_4_Jesus at September 30, 2011 07:52 AM (tazG1)

28 It's good this wasn't widely known; Volt sales could hardly suck more than they do now!

Posted by: Dan Akerson at September 30, 2011 07:52 AM (2PTT7)

29 Frakkenomics

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 07:52 AM (OhYCU)

30 No drilling off Cali until Obama Eats It, as others have noted

13 more months until Freedom, brothers.  13 long frakking months...

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 30, 2011 07:52 AM (UqKQV)

31 Try getting a hotel room within 200 miles of Williston.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 07:53 AM (ItDg4)

32 But, I thought drilling in the United States was illegal?

Might hurt a mosquito or something....

Posted by: © Sponge at September 30, 2011 07:53 AM (UK9cE)

33 "We actually have probably between 2,000 and 3,000 job openings in Williston right now," Koeser says.

Give us some time, we will make sure those jobs disappear like Jimmy Hoffa.

Posted by: The EPA at September 30, 2011 07:53 AM (eKuOw)

34 Isn't there a marmot hole up there that they can find to shut the whole operation down?  There's gotta be a prairie dog or something that won't be able to get across the street if they don't stop this atrocity.

Posted by: Dewey at September 30, 2011 07:53 AM (YTJQp)

35 We actually have probably between 2,000 and 3,000 job openings in Williston right now," Koeser says.

That adds up to 600 gay candidates, 150 transgendered candidates, 1,500 women candidates, 900 candidates over age 55, 750 black candidates and 200 native American candidates.  All union.  And if we show up next month and find you've hired a bunch of Asians, we're filing suit.

Posted by: The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission at September 30, 2011 07:53 AM (QKKT0)

36

The mighty Mississippi could be a flowing crude oil river, and it would not make any difference whatsoever.  We could have reserves the size of the Great Lakes, it would not make one dent.

Why?

We have ZERO excess refining capacity, that's why.  Without a way to REFINE said crude, it can't be used.  It's like having iron ore, with no smelting ability. 

Since refining capability is so limited, prices will always be high, no matter the output/availability of oil, until we get some more refineries built.

Oh, and did I mention we haven't had a new one built since the '70s?

Posted by: Mr Wolf at September 30, 2011 07:53 AM (Tv41j)

37

How long before the Democrats figure this out and start buying up the land and declaring it "Federally Protected"?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 30, 2011 12:47 PM (0xqzf)

 Buying it?  Kelo, baby.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 07:54 AM (ItDg4)

38 and now that they killed that money-faced dweeb with the granny glasses, can we keep our shoes on at airports and not get felt up by aff-action Must-Hires?

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 30, 2011 07:54 AM (UqKQV)

39 Now, add ANWR and the California coast into the mix. Things start to look a little more hopeful.

What if we add BACK the Gulf Coast?!?

Posted by: © Sponge at September 30, 2011 07:55 AM (UK9cE)

40 Canadian pipeline?

Posted by: Iceback Border Jumper at September 30, 2011 07:56 AM (ieDPL)

41 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POLAR BEARS?????

They get to live another year.

Posted by: fluffy, polar bear snack at September 30, 2011 07:56 AM (4Kl5M)

42 monKey-faced.  Al-aaaaaaaaaOhShit must be remembered for what he was

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 30, 2011 07:56 AM (UqKQV)

43 "Right now I'd vote for an illegal still wet from swimming, carrying an ATF provided gun while hiding a kilo of coke in his ass if it means getting rid of Otard."

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at September 30, 2011 12:56 PM (qjUnn)



Otard...that's some funny shit right there.

Posted by: © Sponge at September 30, 2011 07:57 AM (UK9cE)

44 So the oil companies snuck one by the feds by drilling in the "Buffalo Commons", hunh?

An environmental study will surface that decries the adverse impact this drilling has on migrating swarms of locusts in 4 ... 3 ... 2 ...

Posted by: No Whining at September 30, 2011 07:57 AM (Wqfrr)

45 Shhhhh! Don't let Obama know this! He'll want to shut the project down and replace it with a taxpayer subsidized wind farm.

Posted by: Kim Priestap at September 30, 2011 07:58 AM (qUn6X)

46 They are going to give the climate AIDS with all this fracking.

Posted by: ManBearPig at September 30, 2011 07:58 AM (ieDPL)

47 16 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POLAR BEARS?????

I'd drown every one of you infernal creatures if it ensured humanity had more cheap energy to further advance and one day reach the stars.  

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 30, 2011 07:58 AM (9hSKh)

48

We have ZERO excess refining capacity, that's why.  Without a way to REFINE said crude, it can't be used.  It's like having iron ore, with no smelting ability. 

Since refining capability is so limited, prices will always be high, no matter the output/availability of oil, until we get some more refineries built.

Oh, and did I mention we haven't had a new one built since the '70s?

Posted by: Mr Wolf
............
Yeah.. but half the oil we refine is imported oil.  Better to refine domestic crude than imported crude.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 07:59 AM (f9c2L)

49 They are going to give the climate AIDS with all this fracking.

Posted by: ManBearPig at September 30, 2011 12:58 PM (ieDPL)



I thought they came up with something that made AIDS a thing of the past.....

Oh, and FUC* You........

Posted by: © Sponge at September 30, 2011 07:59 AM (UK9cE)

50 Subtract Obama, Reid, and Pelosi and things might work out.

Posted by: kansas at September 30, 2011 12:44 PM (mka2b)

Don't forget that McCain and a few other RINOs helped the Dems block ANWR in the 2005 energy bill. If we had started drilling in 2006 we would be drilling there now.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 07:59 AM (M9Ie6)

51 You know, frakking is evil. Every right-thinking liberal tells me so because they saw that documentary. So, the EPA will have to ban the practice. For the children. (And you KNOW that's what they're thinking.)

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2011 08:00 AM (RD7QR)

52 Save the Polar Bears, feed them a leftard (cut the head off first, don't want to give them any mad cow rogue protiens).

Posted by: The Amorous Rooster of Retribution at September 30, 2011 08:00 AM (OlN4e)

53 Build refineries.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at September 30, 2011 08:00 AM (ieDPL)

54
current mood: Dubious

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 30, 2011 08:01 AM (sqkOB)

55 Our oil usage is down though, yes?  So if we start to recover, won't we have to import more again?

Posted by: toby928© at September 30, 2011 08:01 AM (GTbGH)

56 OT: During lunch I stopped by comic store and checked out Frank Miller's "Holy Terror" because of the sidebar item.  There is no doubt in my mind that Pam Geller is masturbating with her copy right now because of it's indictment of Islam.

Miller clearly says that Islam=AQ. The conversation that this graphic novel will generate should be very interesting. 

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 30, 2011 08:01 AM (m2IXm)

57 Gay frakkers have rights too

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 08:01 AM (OhYCU)

58 So if we start to recover, won't we have to import more again?

Don't worry. I won't let that happen.

Posted by: BHO at September 30, 2011 08:02 AM (eEfYn)

59

Now, add ANWR and the California coast into the mix. Things start to look a little more hopeful.

Ahem.

Posted by: Gov. Bobby J. at September 30, 2011 08:02 AM (XdlcF)

60 Can you imagine the trade balance if we stopped importing barbarian savage oil?

Posted by: Danger Mouse at September 30, 2011 08:02 AM (ieDPL)

61 Williston sounds like the perfect place to open my Shakeweight store.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 30, 2011 08:04 AM (UOM48)

62 Oh, and if the knuckledraggers in NoDak start talking about building more refining capacity? We'll be on them like MO on a burrito.

Posted by: EPA at September 30, 2011 08:04 AM (RD7QR)

63 If someone were to exterminate the Polar Bears they would cease to be a political football.

Posted by: Danger Mouse at September 30, 2011 08:04 AM (ieDPL)

64

61 Can you imagine the trade balance if we stopped importing barbarian savage oil?

Yeah, our good buddies in the Middle East would have to go back to squatting in the sand and scratching the fleas on their balls.

Posted by: The Amorous Rooster of Retribution at September 30, 2011 08:04 AM (OlN4e)

65 Since refining capability is so limited, prices will always be high, no matter the output/availability of oil, until we get some more refineries built.

This is true, but wrong.

Adding additional oil to the market- even if only to supply our own needs- will increase the general supply, which will decrease the price of a barrel of oil.

It won't make as much difference as it would if we had more refining capacity, but it will make a difference- and a noticeable one, at that.

You are correct, however, that a much bigger effect on the price of refined oil products (heating oil, gasoline, other petrochemicals) would be realized from adding some additional refining capacity.  And, as much as I love Texas, I think it's insane that TX and LA have something like 66% of the oil refining capacity in the US.  Let's build some new one inland, shall we?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 08:04 AM (8y9MW)

66 64 If someone were to exterminate the Polar Bears they would cease to be a political football. Posted by: Danger Mouse at September 30, 2011 01:04 PM (ieDPL) And maybe we'd get more pictures of nekkid chicks on bearskin rugs.

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2011 08:05 AM (RD7QR)

67 Wait a minute here.......what happened to peak oil? By 1979, oil production in the US peaked, never to be seen again at those levels.
 
This cannot be right. The experts said so.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 30, 2011 08:06 AM (ENKCw)

68 13 more months until Freedom, brothers.  13 long frakking months...

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 30, 2011 12:52 PM (UqKQV)


477 days, 23 hours, 54 minutes and 32 seconds until 12 noon on January 20th 2013.

Not that I'm counting or anything...

Posted by: Nighthawk at September 30, 2011 08:06 AM (OtQXp)

69 our good buddies in the Middle East would have to go back to squatting in the sand and scratching the fleas on their balls.

Posted by: The Amorous Rooster of Retribution at September 30, 2011 01:04 PM (OlN4e)

that, and mostly killing each other, beating up their wives and kids, and fucking goats........mostly.  

Meanwhile, Obama says Americans have "gotten soft".   Heh

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 30, 2011 08:06 AM (UqKQV)

70 When I'm President we'll take over the Solyndra plant in Fremont through eminent domain and build a refinery there. 

Right in goddamn Pete Stark's district.

We'll run some combustion turbines off the waste-gas, or maybe just run some pipelines over to the Tesla plant so they'll have some greenhouse gas emissions to be proud of.

Posted by: JEM at September 30, 2011 08:06 AM (o+SC1)

71

Hopefully you've never watched the show "How the States Got Their Shape".

I watch it occasionally because it's slightly educational. Well, barely, but I don't think it actually sucks knowledge from the kids' brains.

Anywho, they were talking about North D. and mentioned green energy stuff. Then they mentioned how low unemployment is and cited green energy jobs as one of the reasons.

 

Yes, yes I did pause the show and tell them my humble opinion about that "fact".

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 08:07 AM (XdlcF)

72 See... Obama's policies are working, you haters.

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 08:07 AM (OhYCU)

73 But will any of this matter with government mandating that we shift to ever more expensive Green Energy?

Posted by: kdny not a yankee at September 30, 2011 08:07 AM (KxHDw)

74 I don't know if it's been mentioned here before but fracking has Wheeling, WV sitting on top of a century's worth of natural gas but you don't hear jack-shit about it from El JEFe, who prefers to yammer on endlessly about green energy horseshit.  The simple fuck could actually use that to his advantage if he wasn't so dogmatically opposed to it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 30, 2011 08:07 AM (OGZqf)

75 Not that I'm counting or anything...

You have that iPhone app, don't you?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 08:07 AM (8y9MW)

76
A recession is looming. I'm talkin outta my ass here but I think 3Q GDP might actually be negative.

Something wicked this way comes...

Posted by: Soothie has a bad feeling at September 30, 2011 08:08 AM (sqkOB)

77 64 If someone were to exterminate the Polar Bears they would cease to be a political football.

Posted by: Danger Mouse at September 30, 2011 01:04 PM (ieDPL)


I've always wondered why someone hasn't paid a visit to the breeding grounds of the Delta Smelt with some poison.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 30, 2011 08:09 AM (m2IXm)

78 You have that iPhone app, don't you?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 01:07 PM (8y9MW)

Actually it's a Firefox plug-in.

Posted by: Nighthawk at September 30, 2011 08:09 AM (OtQXp)

79 Doom. You're soaking in it.

Posted by: Danger Mouse at September 30, 2011 08:09 AM (ieDPL)

80

Let's build some new one inland, shall we?

What could go wrong?

And by could, I mean usually does...

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 08:09 AM (XdlcF)

81

Not that I'm counting or anything...

Posted by: Nighthawk at September 30, 2011 01:06 PM (OtQXp)

When O loses the election and Dems lose the Senate as well as more seats in the House ( that day WILL come, brothers ), the days between the election and Jan 20, 2013 will be Fraught With Danger:

Much gnashing of teeth, wailing, with lamentations of women and beta-male gelded libs.

but I Fear no Evil........

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 30, 2011 08:11 AM (UqKQV)

82 And, as much as I love Texas, I think it's insane that TX and LA have something like 66% of the oil refining capacity in the US.  Let's build some new one inland, shall we?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 01:04 PM (8y9MW)

A combination of NIMBY and Federal permit refusal has prevented any refineries from being built in the US for over 25 years. Draw a line from Mobile AL to Richmond VA.  To the best of my knowledge, there is not a single refinery  south of that line

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 08:11 AM (ItDg4)

83

But I thought the meme was, if we drilled the oil we had, it would only add enough to last half a week. And I thought it took ten years to drill a well!

File under the most grudgingly reported story at NPR, as evidenced by the immediate reminder of the "unknown dangers" inherent in fracking. And their call to seize the profit and parlay it into green energy.

Posted by: Jimmah at September 30, 2011 08:11 AM (g9KCn)

84 We really need to pay attention to the meme that's circulating the lefty-sphere about fracking causing flames to shoot out of your faucet and suchlike. They believe this, they want it to be true, and they'll use it as a device to convince everybody that fracking should be banned. The left HUNGERS to destroy this country's economy because -- well, because they hate themselves, among other things, but that's another comment.

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2011 08:11 AM (RD7QR)

85 Imminent domain the wind farms, solar panel farms, and public housing and build oil refineries.

Posted by: Danger Mouse at September 30, 2011 08:13 AM (ieDPL)

86 Breitbart has a video interviewing a bunch of hippy douches who are against drilling. Their answers to why they are against and alternative energy is just brilliant

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 30, 2011 08:13 AM (1Jaio)

87 "I don't know if it's been mentioned here before but fracking has Wheeling, WV sitting on top of a century's worth of natural gas but you don't hear jack-shit about it from El JEFe, who prefers to yammer on endlessly about green energy horseshit." Green energy has jackshit to do with energy. Green energy is a convenient excuse to loot the treasury. Green energy is a smash-and-grab, and Obama is the inside man.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 30, 2011 08:13 AM (cbyrC)

88 Two years ago, America was importing about two thirds of its oil. Today, according to the Energy Information Administration, it imports less than half. "

This statement is flatly false. In July, the US produced 5.6 million BPD of crude oil but imported 9.3 million BPD. That means we are still 62% imported crude oil.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 30, 2011 08:13 AM (mFxQX)

89 Imminent domain

Eminent

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2011 08:14 AM (GQ8sn)

90

"Right now I'd vote for an illegal still wet from swimming, carrying an ATF provided gun while hiding a kilo of coke in his ass if it means getting rid of Otard."

That was awesome. This deserves its own thread- What you would vote for to be rid of Obama.

 

I would vote for a skunk who had taken up residence in my left nostril and held regular wild parties for his friends on the opposite ticket to Obama.

Posted by: kdny not a yankee at September 30, 2011 08:14 AM (KxHDw)

91

I fracked for Halliburton. Does that make me a bad person?

BTW, a big Halliburton frack job is quite a show. Huge amounts of men, material, chemicals and thousands of ground pounding supercharged diesel horsepower to make it all cook.

Posted by: The Amorous Rooster of Retribution at September 30, 2011 08:14 AM (OlN4e)

92 What could go wrong?

With building them inland, or with building more on the gulf coast?

To the best of my knowledge, there is not a single refinery  south of that line

Pretty sure you're right.  But I'd take adding a few more in OK.  Call me crazy, but I think it's silly to have the vast majority of our refining capacity all sitting together where a single bad hurricane could knock it out (and has, on occasion) for days or weeks.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 08:14 AM (8y9MW)

93

And I've been seeing a lot of "No Frakkin' Way!" bumper stickers recently...

I'm sure the morons can come up with some pro-frakking slogans.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 08:15 AM (XdlcF)

94 We really need to pay attention to the meme that's circulating the lefty-sphere about fracking causing flames to shoot out of your faucet and suchlike.

Posted by: joncelli at September 30, 2011 01:11 PM (RD7QR)

Yes, because oil and gas deposits 10,000 - 19,000 feet deep are magically connected to water reservoirs that are at 500 feet.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 08:15 AM (ItDg4)

95
bumper sticker?

Posted by: Soothie at September 30, 2011 08:17 AM (sqkOB)

96 If your tap water ignites it is not due to fracking.

Posted by: Danger Mouse at September 30, 2011 08:17 AM (ieDPL)

97 But for our debt, we have a bright rich country.

But the boomers have screwed us with a debt that is absolutely ridiculous.

It's like being a bright professional worker earning a pro's wage with a great property and happy family, but you also have $999,999 on your credit card because your ex wife was a psycho about binge spending.

It's a shame, and when the boomers are still around I want to get even with them by gutting entitlements ASAP.

Posted by: Dustin at September 30, 2011 08:17 AM (fF625)

98
I drink your milkshake, I drink it up.


  <obligatory>

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 30, 2011 08:17 AM (jiVmv)

99 You are correct, however, that a much bigger effect on the price of refined oil products (heating oil, gasoline, other petrochemicals) would be realized from adding some additional refining capacity. 
Posted by: AllenG
......................

One other thing about refineries.. we export about a million barrels of oil each day, mostly as refined products.

More refining capacity  would mean we could be exporting more refined products - or at least competing for that business.. value added.

and to clear up another myth..  the US imports a minor amount of oil from the middle east.. I think it is less than 20% of our imports.  Most of our imports come from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela.  The price of oil may be fungible, but oil tends to stay as close to where it is drilled due to transportation costs.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 08:17 AM (f9c2L)

100
Frak the Whales

.

Posted by: Soothie at September 30, 2011 08:17 AM (sqkOB)

101 M&M domain

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 08:18 AM (OhYCU)

102 Imminent domain

Eminent

Because of the confusion between Imminent and Eminent when discussing government seizure of property, I hereby declare the new term: Karl Domain.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 08:18 AM (8y9MW)

103

Natural Gas makes a lot of sense to me. ....It's clean, burns clean, we have a huge supply of it and many of us have it already coming into our houses.

With a little bit of plumbing and conversion of our vehicles.....we could be refueling our cars at home each day. ....For pennies compared to how bad we're being gouged at the pumps these days.

We don't need subsidies....on any of it. ....We just need to reign in the EPA regulations.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 08:18 AM (7D6kL)

104

Nice to finally see some good news for a change.  Oil roustabout is a good gig for a young, healthy guy with some intelligence.  Lots of up side there.  Plus there's plenty of white collar work to go with oil production.  If I could go back in time and switch careers I'd have been a petroleum engineer. 

Alas, any day now the Green bastards will probably start doing everything possible to kill the good work being done here.  Those people need a good stomping.

Posted by: Reactionary at September 30, 2011 08:18 AM (xUM1Q)

105
Think globally, drill locally.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 30, 2011 08:18 AM (jiVmv)

106

I'm sure the morons can come up with some pro-frakking slogans.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 01:15 PM (XdlcF)

Frak yeah!

Frakkin A!

I frak on the first date.

Posted by: yinzer at September 30, 2011 08:19 AM (/Mla1)

107 I'm surprised Obama has allowed this drilling to continue.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at September 30, 2011 08:19 AM (sOx93)

108 Frack the left

Posted by: Heartless Janitors_4_Jesus at September 30, 2011 08:19 AM (tazG1)

109 It's a shame, and when the boomers are still around I want to get even with them by gutting entitlements ASAP.
Posted by: Dustin
.........
Fuck. You.

And get to work.. shouldn't you be out looking for a second job to pay for my retirement, you young whippersnapper??

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 08:19 AM (f9c2L)

110 This deserves its own thread- What you would vote for to be rid of Obama.

 

I would vote for a skunk who had taken up residence in my left nostril and held regular wild parties for his friends on the opposite ticket to Obama.

Posted by: kdny not a yankee at September 30, 2011 01:14 PM (KxHDw)

I'd vote for Mittens.

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 30, 2011 08:19 AM (OGZqf)

111
natural-gas conversion kits for cars could be the next "big" thing, now that you mention it

Posted by: Soothie at September 30, 2011 08:20 AM (sqkOB)

112 Think globally, drill locally.

This was my slogan in college

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 08:20 AM (OhYCU)

113 111, winner

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 08:20 AM (OhYCU)

114 I'm sure the morons can come up with some pro-frakking slogans.

Frakking our way back too $1.50 gas

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 30, 2011 08:20 AM (tf9Ne)

115

I'd vote for Mittens.

Fuck that. I do have limits.

Posted by: The Amorous Rooster of Retribution at September 30, 2011 08:20 AM (OlN4e)

116 Does natural gas have to be refined.

Posted by: Danger Mouse at September 30, 2011 08:20 AM (ieDPL)

117

I'd vote for Mittens.

Oh, sure, kill the contest before it even gets started.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 08:20 AM (XdlcF)

118 M&M domain

Green, or Blue?

pro-frakking slogans.

Get your Frak On.

Domestic Drilling: It's a big Frakking Deal.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 08:21 AM (8y9MW)

119 I love magical connections! Gnomes or leprechans?

Posted by: dagny at September 30, 2011 08:21 AM (beOwU)

120

everybody frak now!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl other work computer at September 30, 2011 08:22 AM (IpiZb)

121 I can't wait for the wind mill ban.

Posted by: Danger Mouse at September 30, 2011 08:22 AM (ieDPL)

122 Thanks, Nancy!

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at September 30, 2011 08:22 AM (qndXR)

123 Because of the confusion between Imminent and Eminent when discussing government seizure of property, I hereby declare the new term: Karl Domain.

LOL!

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2011 08:22 AM (GQ8sn)

124 Does natural gas have to be refined.

I believe not, though it usually does go through some kind of process- part of that is to add an agent to give it that "natural gas" smell- since it doesn't actually have one of its own.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 08:22 AM (8y9MW)

125 Because of the confusion between Imminent and Eminent when discussing government seizure of property, I hereby declare the new term: Karl Domain.

Would make sense when saying someone's house got Hot Karl'd!

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2011 08:22 AM (GQ8sn)

126 For Fracks sake.

Posted by: Starbuck at September 30, 2011 08:22 AM (ieDPL)

127 I believe not, though it usually does go through some kind of process- part of that is to add an agent to give it that "natural gas" smell- since it doesn't actually have one of its own.

That substance is beta-mercaptoethanol.  That's what gives it the stink.

Posted by: EC at September 30, 2011 08:23 AM (GQ8sn)

128 Does natural gas have to be refined.
Posted by: Danger Mouse
...........
Yes, but not as complicated as oil.

http://tli.tl/78E5Q3

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2011 08:23 AM (f9c2L)

129 98 Hey, Dustin, I'm a boomer and I want to gut entitlements. I figure I may as well kiss my past contributions to SS goodbye and stop throwing good money after bad. Plus, I want what's best for my country.

Posted by: Mindy at September 30, 2011 08:23 AM (0RSSz)

130 I'd vote for Romney!

Posted by: J. McCain at September 30, 2011 08:23 AM (ApXjP)

131 natural-gas conversion kits for cars could be the next "big" thing, now that you mention it

Posted by: Soothie at September 30, 2011 01:20 PM (sqkOB)

Not until somebody takes the plunge to build gas pipelines to service stations. Boone Pickens plan is to convert heavy trucks because it's easier to build the pipelines to freeway truckstops where we already have the right of way. Cars could follow if that happened because you could fill up at home for local driving and use truckstops for fuel crosscountry.

Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 08:24 AM (MtwBb)

132

With a little bit of plumbing and conversion of our vehicles.....we could be refueling our cars at home each day. ....For pennies compared to how bad we're being gouged at the pumps these days.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 01:18 PM (7D6kL)

 We will be doing that in the not too distant future.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 08:24 AM (ItDg4)

133 ""We actually have probably between 2,000 and 3,000 job openings in Williston right now," Koeser says."

What!?! I didn't authorize this!  Seize him, you fools!

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 30, 2011 08:24 AM (Z7toi)

134
Aaahh Frak out!
Le Frak, C'est Chic
Frak out!

Aaahh Frak out!

Le Frak, C'est Chic
Frak out!

Aaahh Frak out!

Le Frak, C'est Chic
Frak out!

Aaahh Frak out!

Le Frak, C'est Chic
Frak out!




Posted by: Chic at September 30, 2011 08:24 AM (sqkOB)

135 I still think once Mexicans control California and all the old, white eco-freaks start dying off  .... California will get back in the oil business.

Mexicans like oil. They think of the Mexican state-owned oil giant as the awesome, if corrupt,  place to get an awesome job.

Convincing poor Mex-Americans in California to vote against drilling so we don't spoil the view of some rich liberals coastal mansion?

That ain't gonna fly in the 2020s.

It'll be a Democrat Mex-American Governor in California who lifts their drilling bans in the 2020s.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at September 30, 2011 08:24 AM (QcFbt)

136

But the boomers have screwed us with a debt that is absolutely ridiculous.

It's like being a bright professional worker earning a pro's wage with a great property and happy family, but you also have $999,999 on your credit card because your ex wife was a psycho about binge spending.

Posted by: Dustin at September 30, 2011 01:17 PM (fF625)

 

Don't let it get you down.  It's really not quite the same thing as private debt, and while undesireable it's really nowhere near as bad as private debt.  The bright professional worker is not able to print the currency in which he owes debts.  When it comes to US debt, all that matters is inflation.  As long as it's moderate, it's not a big deal.  Indeed, a fiat system like ours requires a deficit to function properly, to provide for loss of currency and the desire for savings.

All hyperinflationary events since 1900 have been caused by either civil unrest leading up to regime change, foreign-denominated debt, or a combo of the two.  Happily the US has niether of those problems right now.

Posted by: Reactionary at September 30, 2011 08:24 AM (xUM1Q)

137 Frak me, harder, more, more, more.
           - Mother Gaia

Posted by: Oil Pron at September 30, 2011 08:24 AM (jiVmv)

138 Frack a terrorist supporting state by fracking at home.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 08:25 AM (XdlcF)

139 ...pull my finger...

Posted by: phoenixgirl other work computer at September 30, 2011 08:25 AM (IpiZb)

140 9 I suspect that a good part of this is related to lower demand due to a weakened economy.  And you thought that Obama's economic policies weren't accomplishing anything.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 30, 2011 12:48 PM (Hx5uv)

Right on!


Posted by: Roger at September 30, 2011 08:25 AM (tAwhy)

141 I'd definitely vote for Romney!

Posted by: C Criste at September 30, 2011 08:25 AM (ApXjP)

142 Pull my finger.

Posted by: Natural Gas at September 30, 2011 08:26 AM (ieDPL)

143 Polar bear frak flicks $9.99. Buy it now!

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 08:27 AM (OhYCU)

144 Problem is, we still don't have enough refineries in this country to significantly lower gas prices.

Posted by: Solyndra Whistling Robot at September 30, 2011 08:27 AM (9eDbm)

145

Whoa - pretty dadgum amazing efficiency if they can surpass Saudi Arabia & Russia on only about 20,000-ish workers.

That's gotta be an absolutely ASTRONOMICAL number of barrels per worker.

Kinda gets back to the point that the Bamster was making about them new-fangled Automated Teller Machine thingamabobs - what are, ah, "slightly-less-than-perfect" workers [slightly low IQ, slightly unhealthy, slightly encumbered by past debts, slightly less than optimal marital/family situations] supposed to do for employment if the "good" workers are so much more productive than they?

I.e. if a worker with an IQ of 110, at, say $50,000/yr in salary, can be as productive, as, say, 10 workers with an IQ of 95, at, say, $20,000/yr in salary each [for a total of $200,000/yr in salaries], then what are people with an IQ of 95 gonna do for a living?

Sit around on their lazy posteriors and mooch off of welfare?

'Cause it feels like modernity is starting to price the slightly-less-than-average right out of the job market.

Posted by: Paul McCartney is Dead at September 30, 2011 08:27 AM (M1IO5)

146

""We actually have probably between 2,000 and 3,000 job openings in Williston right now," Koeser says."

Stop whining and start hiring.

There, now I can take credit for those jobs.

Posted by: B. O. at September 30, 2011 08:27 AM (XdlcF)

147 Now, add ANWR and the California coast and Defeating Obama in 20212 into the mix. Things start to look a little more hopeful. Posted by: Ace at 12:43 PM FTFY!

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 30, 2011 08:27 AM (niZvt)

148
Are pipelines to stations really necessary? Why not just have underground tanks like the gas stations do?

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 30, 2011 08:27 AM (sqkOB)

149 "Frak me, harder, more, more, more.
           - Mother Gaia"

No, Mother Gaia, NO!!1!

Posted by: Liberals at September 30, 2011 08:27 AM (Z7toi)

150 Not until somebody takes the plunge to build gas pipelines to service stations. Boone Pickens plan is to convert heavy trucks because it's easier to build the pipelines to freeway truckstops where we already have the right of way. Cars could follow if that happened because you could fill up at home for local driving and use truckstops for fuel crosscountry.

Anyone know the mileage of using nat-gas (CNG, I guess?) vs. gasoline?  I mean, it may be pennies on the dollar per gallon- but what does that get me per mile?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 08:28 AM (8y9MW)

151 Just hope the piping plovers aren't being displaced.

Posted by: JWF at September 30, 2011 08:28 AM (1l37M)

152

112 Soothie.....yeah, we've been looking into it. ...It will cost us about $2800 to convert each of our vehicles. ....We can't afford it just yet, but it's on our list of to-do's when we can. 

There is a CNG site that shows on a map where all the fueling stations are located in your area.

 

117 Danger Mouse......I don't think so. They take it out of the ground and pump it into the pipelines.....and into our houses.

Now, LNG is a different story. ....That is Liquified Natural Gas.....it has to be converted to a liquid.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 08:28 AM (7D6kL)

153 Drill here!
Drill now!
Frak Yes We Can!

Posted by: Hroth'ar at September 30, 2011 08:29 AM (i3+c5)

154
Let's make a way to convert vehicles for $999!


Posted by: Soothsayer at September 30, 2011 08:29 AM (sqkOB)

155 Anyone who would refuse to vote for Mitt, should he make it through the primary process, and he will, is re-electing Obama, and could be considered treasonous against America!

Posted by: L. Graham at September 30, 2011 08:30 AM (ApXjP)

156 When it comes to US debt, all that matters is inflation.  As long as it's moderate, it's not a big deal.

Posted by: Reactionary at September 30, 2011 01:24 PM (xUM1Q)

Well yes; because tied into that is keeping the dollar sound and as long as the debt holders are willing to accept payment in dollars, rather than say Argentinian pesos or Euros (back when it seemed like it was a strong currency, which wasn't that long ago), payment is always possible.

Posted by: Captain Hate at September 30, 2011 08:30 AM (OGZqf)

157 We will be doing that in the not too distant future.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 01:24 PM (ItDg4)

It's easy to do, we already did in the 70's with propane conversion kits. Cars are more complicated today, I don't know if it would be as easy now as it was then.

Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 08:31 AM (MtwBb)

158
All we need to do is copy the current technology and contract a Chinese company to manufacture the parts for us!

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 30, 2011 08:31 AM (sqkOB)

159

151...Anyone know the mileage of using nat-gas (CNG, I guess?) vs. gasoline? I mean, it may be pennies on the dollar per gallon- but what does that get me per mile?

Been told it's the same, AllenG. ....Because our fuel injectors convert the other kind of gas into a vapor in order to burn it.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 08:31 AM (7D6kL)

160 160 I think you get twice as far per pound with natural gas.

Posted by: Natural Gas at September 30, 2011 08:32 AM (ieDPL)

161 Cars are more complicated today, I don't know if it would be as easy now as it was then.

Posted by: robtr at September 30, 2011 01:31 PM (MtwBb)

I'm not sure either, I get it out of the ground and let someone else worry about getting it into vehicles.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 08:33 AM (ItDg4)

162

117Does natural gas have to be refined.
---

A close neighbor - about a mile away was drilling a water well about 40 years ago and hit natural gas instead. Since then they have free heat. The refining consists of adding the rotten egg smell (for safety).

Posted by: Jimmah at September 30, 2011 08:33 AM (g9KCn)

163 btw, that movie, "The Turn of the Screw".......isn't about screwing.   bummer

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at September 30, 2011 08:34 AM (UqKQV)

164 OT :  File under the I told you so tag.  link at drudge

With homosexuals now able to serve openly in the military, the gay rights movement’s next battleground is to persuade the Obama administration to end the armed forces’ ban on “transgenders,” a group that includes transsexuals and cross-dressers.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 30, 2011 08:34 AM (jiVmv)

165 The refining consists of adding the rotten egg smell (for safety). Posted by: Jimma

Methyl Mercaptan

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 30, 2011 08:35 AM (s1vtf)

166

And then there is the weight thing.....Natural Gas doesn't weigh as much as petro-gas, so your vehicle is not having to carry that weight around.

This might help with the mileage figure.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 08:35 AM (7D6kL)

167 What is always the liberal argument to developing new domestic production, e.g. ANWR?

"Why, that takes too long! You'll never put a dent in oil imports by opening new fields!"

Yeah, and my dick is 13 inches long.

Posted by: Sphynx at September 30, 2011 08:35 AM (fEmj2)

168 165 This is terrible.

Posted by: Corporal Klinger at September 30, 2011 08:36 AM (ieDPL)

169 None of the radical right candidates are electable in the general election (Reagan was a fluke, and that era is long over in America), and Christie or Romney are really our only options against Obama in 2012. Take my word for it at the architect of two GOP presidential wins.

Posted by: K. Rove at September 30, 2011 08:36 AM (ApXjP)

170 I think you get twice as far per pound with natural gas.

Okay, but "per pound" is not the same as "per gallon."  My gas tank holds X gallons (measure of volume) not X pounds (measure of weight) of fuel.

But, if the mileage-per-volume is the same (or even just "nearly the same,") then that's fine.

Unlike ethanol which gets worse gas mileage and isn't significantly cheaper than real gasoline.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 08:37 AM (8y9MW)

171 I do not own the rights to the natural gas below my house. I guess the original owners kept 'em, because the previous-to-us-owner didn't have them either.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 08:38 AM (XdlcF)

172

And then there is the weight thing.....Natural Gas doesn't weigh as much as petro-gas, so your vehicle is not having to carry that weight around.

This might help with the mileage figure.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 30, 2011 01:35 PM

Yes, but the tanks weigh a lot more and take up a lot of room.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 30, 2011 08:38 AM (mFxQX)

173 Running on repeal of ObamaCare is also a losing strategy among the lower class; we simply need to make modifications to it.

Posted by: K. Rove at September 30, 2011 08:39 AM (ApXjP)

174 That is why President McCain won in a landside twice.

Posted by: Darth Rove at September 30, 2011 08:40 AM (ieDPL)

175 You can already buy a home device to compress natural gas from the pipe, and put it into your car. Unfortunately the price is about 10 grand. But it takes your fuel cost down to the equivalent of about a buck a gallon.

Posted by: Jimmah at September 30, 2011 08:40 AM (g9KCn)

176 With homosexuals now able to serve openly in the military, the gay rights movement’s next battleground is to persuade the Obama administration to end the armed forces’ ban on “transgenders,” a group that includes transsexuals and cross-dressers.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 30, 2011 01:34 PM (jiVmv)


Geez! Once again life imitates art.  That is if you consider  this to be art...

Posted by: Nighthawk at September 30, 2011 08:41 AM (OtQXp)

177 Meanwhile, libs are chasing hydrogen, which BTW is the smallest atom, and thus, will not go into any container in the known universe with leaking gradually.

Posted by: Jimmah at September 30, 2011 08:44 AM (g9KCn)

178 I've heard that CNG engines tend to get less torque, such as CNG buses having a harder time climbing inclines than regular ones.

Posted by: KG at September 30, 2011 08:45 AM (LD21B)

179 I believe not, though it usually does go through some kind of process- part of that is to add an agent to give it that "natural gas" smell- since it doesn't actually have one of its own.

That substance is beta-mercaptoethanol.  That's what gives it the stink.

Also known as janeangarofalol.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 30, 2011 08:46 AM (stEuz)

180 I am endorsing Romney, as the only hope for bipartisanship in Washington, and would advise faithful GOP members to not listen to the overly heated rhetoric from the intolerant forces on both the Left and Right. We need to learn to hear all sides of the important issues facing our nation, and Romney is an excellent example of the type of management our nation needs.

Posted by: J. Boehner at September 30, 2011 08:47 AM (ApXjP)

181 Also known as janeangarofalol.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 30, 2011 01:46 PM (stEuz)

I thought it was michealmoorenal?

Posted by: KG at September 30, 2011 08:47 AM (LD21B)

182 The Jean Plan for dramatic economic recovery: 1. Repeal Obamacare, 2. Make corporate, capital gains, and top personal taxes the same with the same deduction/depreciation schedules, 3. Drill everywhere, build nukes

Posted by: Jean at September 30, 2011 08:49 AM (liPvR)

183 Just think, if we had done more of this 10,20,30 years ago.... 

Posted by: Red Shirt at September 30, 2011 08:50 AM (FIDMq)

184 Just think, if we had done more of this 10,20,30 years ago....

Remember liberals complaining (at least by 2001) that it would take 10 years to get any drilling in ANWR or on the coast to produce anything?

Yeah. About that...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 08:51 AM (8y9MW)

185 As I am unable to appeal to a sufficient number of calm and thoughtful Republicans, due to some of the more excitable forces on the right, and some religious bigotry, also from that quarter, I must agree with Pawlenty in endorsing Mitt Romney, my esteemed fellow church leader.

Posted by: J. Huntsman at September 30, 2011 08:52 AM (ApXjP)

186

I'm trying to get a book on my Kindle from my library and I'm ready to cry.

I think it was seeing that they only have book 5 of any series you might want, but they do have a 1889 Cincinnati phone book available as an ebook.

Posted by: Mama AJ, who is really not anywhere near Cincinnati at September 30, 2011 08:52 AM (XdlcF)

187 Also known as janeangarofalol.

Or janeanogardosil

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 08:56 AM (OhYCU)

188 Does natural gas have to be refined.

The only fuel I would consider is free range organic gas.

Posted by: Obama's Disney-Tune Whistling Robots at September 30, 2011 08:56 AM (Hx5uv)

189 The basis for the reduction in oil imports is a combination of two factors.  One is the lowered demand due to the state of the economy, as noted, but the second is the impact of lower natural gas costs due to improvements in fracking techniques.  NG prices have dropped 50% in the last 2+years. The increase in gas usage has eliminated oil from use in power generation.

Today, a million BTUs of NG is about $4.  A million BTUs of oil is about $20.  Which one would YOU burn for power?  And what about coal, you ask?  $2.50 per million BTU. 

Posted by: Dave G at September 30, 2011 08:56 AM (WE9e/)

190

Drilling in ANWR or off CA or more in the Gulf could break OPEC. I'm so pissed off about seeing ski slopes in the desert or a race to build the highest building in the world happening in the OPEC countries that I could even buy a prius. (LOL, what the heck was I saying? No chance) I'd rather go with natural gas fueled cars. North America is natural gas independent.

Posted by: Max Entropy at September 30, 2011 08:56 AM (lH6z9)

191 The only fuel I would consider is free range organic gas.

Stay away from us, you perv.
- Cows

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 08:57 AM (OhYCU)

192 OT: 
PublicPolicyPolling by JammieWF Arguably our most shockingly bad for Obama state level poll of the year coming out in the next hour

Posted by: Tami at September 30, 2011 08:58 AM (X6akg)

193 Being too broke to put gas in the car does not mean you are no longer dependent. You just have no money to put gas in the car.

Posted by: sifty at September 30, 2011 08:59 AM (4CSeG)

194 Although I do agree with some of Mitt's positions, like Cap and Trade, I have a long and proven track record in the D.C. swamp and know all of the players with whom deals will have to be made.

Posted by: N. Gingrich at September 30, 2011 08:59 AM (ApXjP)

195

 but they do have a 1889 Cincinnati phone book available as an ebook.

I've read that book. Lousy plot, but a great cast of characters! 

Posted by: HH at September 30, 2011 09:00 AM (HFnqj)

196

Drill baby drill! Oil is not only good for the oil itself, its kinda hard to outsource drilling jobs.

Posted by: The Schwalbe : © at September 30, 2011 09:00 AM (UU0OF)

197 From the same article - 3000 to 4000 job openings in the town of 20,000, AND a 2% unemployment rate. Wait... what! That must be a typo.

Posted by: Jimmah at September 30, 2011 09:01 AM (g9KCn)

198

Just think, if we had done more of this 10,20,30 years ago....

My impression is that "we" [in the industry, and in graduate-level fields of study, like "Geophysical Fluid Dynamics"] worked furiously for the last 30 years just to DEVELOPthe technology.

But I'll bet you that the technology is so dadgum sophisticated that it requires workers with a minimum IQ of 110 or 115 to pull it off, which is great for workers out in that IQ range, but I doubt that this technology has much of a demand for workers with IQs of 90, 95, or even 100.

I mean - if you're drilling a 10 million dollar diamond-encrusted drill bit many miles beneath the earths surface, and then injecting steam at temps of what? 300F? 400F? 500F? at God-only-knows who many PSI [many, many multiples of standard atmospheric pressure] deep beneath the surface, using multi-million dollar software packages, on military-grade "hardened" computer systems - well, that's great for, say, the Todd Palins of the world, but the, ah, "Mr. Maxine Waters"es of the world need not apply.

Posted by: Paul McCartney is Dead at September 30, 2011 09:01 AM (M1IO5)

199  but they do have a 1889 Cincinnati phone book available as an ebook.

hmmm... generic Republicans

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 09:01 AM (OhYCU)

200

Drill baby drill! Oil is not only good for the oil itself, its kinda hard to outsource drilling jobs.

 

I drink your milkshake!

Posted by: Castro in the Gulf at September 30, 2011 09:02 AM (LyOUH)

201 178, plus it compounds itself with every fn thing and you spend more energy trying to get the H2 to unmarry from its compound than you get back from burning it as fuel.

Posted by: Scott J at September 30, 2011 09:03 AM (/bVuS)

202 I'd vote for a illegal alien tuition giving eminent domain loving, democrat supreme court appointing, debate bumbling , former democrat Gore supporting Hillary commending person before I'd vote for Obama.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 30, 2011 09:04 AM (Cs6bg)

203 62 Williston sounds like the perfect place to open my Shakeweight store.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 30, 2011 01:04 PM (UOM4

Gushers will abound: "Thar she blows!"

Posted by: No Whining at September 30, 2011 09:05 AM (Wqfrr)

204 We really do need to be exploring alternative renewables, as responsible citizens of this planet, though I promise to drill where ever all the necessary environmental studies have been carried out, and all concerned parties have been completely satisfied on their sometimes competing interests.

Posted by: M. Romney at September 30, 2011 09:05 AM (ApXjP)

205
re: Trannies serving in the US military
Yeah, who saw that coming. Me.
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Most milbloggers I read, including some of the guys over at Blackfive, either support repeal or are more or less indifferent to it.

Pretty damn sad, I must say.

Because as soon as it's a done deal, they'll be lobbying for transgenders to serve openly in the armed forces, too.

Posted by: Senator Soothsayer (R-AoS) at December 08, 2010 01:38 PM (uFokq)


Posted by: Soothsayer at September 30, 2011 09:06 AM (sqkOB)

206 187. I get them on my nook and I used to get them on my sony reader. It's a bitch to set up but then it's free free free. If you're like me and won't use the schools, then free library crap on line is the only thing you get for a crap load of money per year.

Posted by: dagny at September 30, 2011 09:07 AM (beOwU)

207 unrefined gas?......how crude.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl work computer at September 30, 2011 09:07 AM (IpiZb)

208

Dangit!

 

Guy already beat me to the milkshake!

Posted by: Castro in the Gulf at September 30, 2011 09:07 AM (LyOUH)

209

202178, plus it compounds itself with every fn thing and you spend more energy trying to get the H2 to unmarry from its compound than you get back from burning it as fuel.

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Yes there's that little law of physics problem too. Nothing some loan guarantees and bankruptcies cant solve though.

Posted by: Jimmah at September 30, 2011 09:07 AM (g9KCn)

210 We're not just failing to build new refineries; we're shutting down the ones we have now. Marathon split into separate companies to avoid exposure to the low margins of refining.  You don't really make much money for what you have to spend.

Sunoco, having already done that, is now completely out of the refining business. If their 'venerable' Marcus Hook unit doesn't sell by July, they're locking her down and walking away. ConocoPhil has the other Philadelphia refinery, and it's on the block too, sell or shut down.

Nobody wants into this business ("PBF" being the exception, they're some oil-boilers from way back, and snatched up a few castoffs which are hand-over-fist right now).  Investors have been convinced that there is no future in it.

Despite the high number of petro-construction contractors around, if you go to build a new cracker, it comes turnkey from England. We've lost our national capacity to build refineries. Lots of those units are being installed lots closer to the ME fields, with Indian and Chinese money behind them.

Shipping finished product is much touchier than crude, whether pipelined ("African gas station") or tanked ("Target"). There's going to be some security vulnerability there. German submarines convinced us to build a pipeline from Texas to Ohio in just over a year.

Posted by: comatus at September 30, 2011 09:08 AM (NA+Ul)

211

209 comment so I'm going OT for a minute.

I posted a comment in an earlier thread about a PETA segment on FNC this morning. My comment, crude though it may have been, was not an exageration.

If FNC puts up the vid, it is post-worthy.

Hours later and I am still in shock with the recognition of what a despicable human being she is.

Posted by: Castro in the Gulf at September 30, 2011 09:10 AM (LyOUH)

212
oh you soooo cute, PPP

It looks like they're trying to scare the GOP into pandering [more] for the 'hispanic' vote.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 30, 2011 09:10 AM (sqkOB)

213 off sock

Posted by: Clueless at September 30, 2011 09:10 AM (LyOUH)

214 Oil still doesn't translate into gasoline without refineries, and this administration and the job-hating and mission-useless EPA are still doing everything they can to make an increase in refinement capacity an impossibility in the US.

Posted by: James at September 30, 2011 09:10 AM (lY0w9)

215 Don't forget about us.  We want to serve our country, too, and maybe find a date for Saturday night.

Posted by: Necrophiliacs for a More Perfect Union at September 30, 2011 09:10 AM (Hx5uv)

216 I believe Romney is the most reasonable and calm voice, aside from Huntsman, in the GOP field at the moment, and believe, considering my own experiences with Gulf drilling issues, that Romney would be a very conscientious steward of our natural resources, and a moderating influence on the often short-sighted forces of Big Oil.

Posted by: C. Crist at September 30, 2011 09:11 AM (ApXjP)

217

But I'll bet you that the technology is so dadgum sophisticated that it requires workers with a minimum IQ of 110 or 115 to pull it off, which is great for workers out in that IQ range, but I doubt that this technology has much of a demand for workers with IQs of 90, 95, or even 100.

Well, yes and no. For every petroleum engineer and geoligist employed there are probably 20 or so more blue collar jobs running from the entry level Roustabout (thats a fun word, right?) to skilled labor like heavy equipment operators and roughnecks. And that doesn't include the related service industries like wireline guys and the seismic people. (both of which require only a high school level education and can make over 100k)

So why the tech might not, many of the related jobs do.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 30, 2011 09:11 AM (NCw5u)

218
Clap on!

Clap off!

The Sock Clapper. Available at fine stores everywhere.

Posted by: Sock Clapper at September 30, 2011 09:12 AM (sqkOB)

219

Posted by: C. Crist at September 30, 2011 02:11 PM (ApXjP)

 

Don't drop in here, Charlie, hoping to boost your conservative cred by endorsing Romney. We know you're in the bag for Jon Hunstman!

Posted by: Clueless at September 30, 2011 09:13 AM (LyOUH)

220 Wow, maybe I'll get a chance to work in my own country for once.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 30, 2011 09:13 AM (btzPD)

221 218

But I'll bet you that the technology is so dadgum sophisticated that it requires workers with a minimum IQ of 110 or 115 to pull it off, which is great for workers out in that IQ range, but I doubt that this technology has much of a demand for workers with IQs of 90, 95, or even 100.

Well, yes and no. For every petroleum engineer and geoligist employed there are probably 20 or so more blue collar jobs running from the entry level Roustabout (thats a fun word, right?) to skilled labor like heavy equipment operators and roughnecks. And that doesn't include the related service industries like wireline guys and the seismic people. (both of which require only a high school level education and can make over 100k)

So why the tech might not, many of the related jobs do.

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If they need any coffee runners @ $30/hr, I call dibbs.

Is that how it works? Getting a job that is. Being self employed for 20 years I forgot how they do it.

Posted by: Jimmah at September 30, 2011 09:14 AM (g9KCn)

222 I always get Charlie Christ and Chris Christie mixed up.  Which is a Republican?

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 09:14 AM (OhYCU)

223 It should not be forgotten that Romney has long experience in dealing with the Chinese, with whom we will be forced to do ever more business in the coming years.

Posted by: J. Huntsman at September 30, 2011 09:14 AM (ApXjP)

224 I milk your Shakeweight.

Posted by: Daniel Plainview, a mite confused at September 30, 2011 09:15 AM (16lYZ)

225

223I always get Charlie Christ and Chris Christie mixed up. Which is a Republican?

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That'd be the other guy. Charlie Christie.

Posted by: Jimmah at September 30, 2011 09:16 AM (g9KCn)

226

dagny, it's been a complete waste of an hour.

First, the library site was down for at least 2 days...tried to check it when Monty posted about ebooks on Kindle last Sunday.

Then the library site directed me to an ebook site for several local library systems.

I'm pretty sure it created by Satan or the Obama Administration. Or both.

Then the selection is crap. Why, time and time again, do they have one book in the middle of a series? And only the 1889 Cinc. phone book? Everone knows 1892 was the best year.

Finally find two things I want. One isn't available. The other is, on Kindle even.

Twelve screens later, I have Amazon telling me that I can't get it on MY kindle because I don't have Wi fracking Fi.

Well, I could download it and then use the USB cable, I guess.

 

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 09:16 AM (XdlcF)

227 Christie is a human Shakeweight

/ I denounce myself

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 09:16 AM (OhYCU)

228 Which is a Republican?

They're both RINOS.

Posted by: Typical AoSHQ Moron at September 30, 2011 09:16 AM (8y9MW)

229

Posted by: Necrophiliacs for a More Perfect Union at September 30, 2011 02:10 PM (Hx5uv)

 

My local news gal this morning was talking about PETAs claim that eating meat is akin to necrophilia and must have had a stroke and forgotten that she resides in a conservatie southern city. She started down the path of "Well, I guess I can kinda see where they're coming from..." shen she realized how asinine it was and said "No! I don't. And neither does anyone out there!"

 

Posted by: Clueless at September 30, 2011 09:17 AM (LyOUH)

230 Charlie Christ, Chris Christie, and Chris Cross walk in a bar...

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 09:18 AM (OhYCU)

231

209 comment so I'm going OT for a minute.

I'm shocked and horrified.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 09:18 AM (XdlcF)

232 We will need to be considering trade agreements with the Chinese (oil as interest payments on the 40+% of our national debt held by the Chinese) and Mitt has proven to be a skilled negotiator with them.

Posted by: C. Crist at September 30, 2011 09:19 AM (ApXjP)

233 "Well, I guess I can kinda see where they're coming from..." shen she realized how asinine it was and said "No! I don't. And neither does anyone out there!"

That sounds like something one of our local newsies would have said- on purpose.  He regularly makes fun of the stories he's reporting (also the viewers who send in particularly stupid comments- he's the reason I watch the local Fox affiliate's evening news).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 30, 2011 09:19 AM (8y9MW)

234

209 comment so I'm going OT for a minute.

I'm shocked and horrified.

Hmmm

treads lightly

About me going OT or about the PETA person being a complete c**t?

I'm not talking average PETA dispicable here. I'm talking industrial strength hatred of human beings.

Posted by: Clueless at September 30, 2011 09:20 AM (LyOUH)

235 I would certainly be willing to take a hand in such negotiations, which are well within the scope of my work for my previous esteemed boss, President Obama.

Posted by: J. Huntsman at September 30, 2011 09:21 AM (ApXjP)

236 despicable, darnit

Posted by: Clueless at September 30, 2011 09:21 AM (LyOUH)

237

About me going OT

Yes, just being silly because I may have gone sliiiightly off topic myself. Possibly.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 30, 2011 09:25 AM (XdlcF)

238

If FNC puts up the vid, it is post-worthy.

Hours later and I am still in shock with the recognition of what a despicable human being she is.

Posted by: Castro in the Gulf at September 30, 2011 02:10 PM (LyOUH)

Ace posted this PETA story yesterday....is what you're talking about the same?

Posted by: Tami at September 30, 2011 09:25 AM (X6akg)

239 Bakken's big, but right now in the oilfield, the hottest thing going is Eagle Ford Shale.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 30, 2011 09:26 AM (NCw5u)

240 ban thread up

Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 30, 2011 09:26 AM (OhYCU)

241 Has anyone seen Bo lately? Another of their optics.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at September 30, 2011 09:39 AM (Cs6bg)

242 On refineries in the U.S. sure we are not building them now. We way overbuilt in the 70s and operators lost their asses. We have been shutting them down left and right since then but most them are still operating at only 70% to 80% capacity.

Given all the BS regulations you can not pump money into a unit that will not be operated at capacity.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2011 10:01 AM (M9Ie6)

243

Ace posted this PETA story yesterday....is what you're talking about the same?

 

Same story, but FNC did an interview with the president of PETA about it today. She is horrid.

Posted by: Clueless at September 30, 2011 10:07 AM (LyOUH)

244 Mark my words, Williston is going to be the new Fargo!

Posted by: azkag at September 30, 2011 10:07 AM (wl3zU)

245 fracking cylons

Posted by: zippideedoodah at September 30, 2011 10:19 AM (dg/Yt)

246 I realize I'm probably too late here, but Ace (and everyone else), if you do happen to read this:

This is not due to an increase in domestic oil drilling!

Domestic oil drilling has only increased 12% since it hit a low point in 2008.  We've rebounded from our long, steady decline, which is good, but we're only drilling as much as we were in 2003. 

What this means is that the numbers presented are not really intuitive.  When you see that half of our oil is domestic, you'd think we're drilling for as much oil as we are importing.  We're not.  We are drilling about 5.5 million barrels a day of crude oil.  We're importing 12 million barrels/day.  Net imports are about 9 million barrels/day.  So yeah, we're still at the ~66% imported crude oil amount.

In order to get the 50% domestic, we add a lot of other parts into the number.  One cheap way of increasing our domestic supply of petroleum is by counting processing gains.  See, we measure oil, gasoline, kerosene, etc by volume.  1 gallon of crude oil can make >1 gallon of products.  So since we refine most of what we use, all of that increase in volume counts as domestic supply for us.  It's about 1 million barrels/day, and that hasn't changed much over the years.

Another major part is natural gas liquids.  The gas boom in Pennsylvania has paid off in the oil sector, as we're currently producing ~2.1 million barrels/day of NGL, up from 1.8 million in 2008. 

The last part is a catchall for other products blended in, including (much to the chagrin of everyone here) ethanol.  This has also increased about 0.5 million barrels/day from 2008 as well.

So basically, the statement that we went from 67% imports to 50% imports in 2 years is a big fat lie.  It's comparing apples to oranges.  Domestic production has increased and imports have decreased, but the change is also in natural gas and ethanol.  Here's the breakdown in numbers:

2008
Net imports: 11.11 million barrels/day
Crude oil production: 4.95 million barrels/day
Natural gas liquids: 1.78 million barrels/day
Other additives (incl biofuels): 0.85 million barrels/day
Processing gain: 0.99 million barrels/day
Total petroleum supplied: 19.50 million barrels/day
% That is imported: 57%

2011 (through August) 
Net imports: 8.88 million barrels/day
Crude oil production: 5.58 million barrels/day
Natural gas liquids: 2.13 million barrels/day
Other additives (incl biofuels): 1.38 million barrels/day
Processing gain: 1.06 million barrels/day
Total petroleum supplied: 19.00 million barrels/day
% That is imported: 47%


Anyone know how to get a hold of Ace?  He's usually get at making sure things aren't misrepresented on his blog, and he showed a lot of skepticism here.  It'd be nice if the hard facts were shown as well.

Posted by: SkepticalMI at September 30, 2011 10:51 AM (UwY65)

247 its kinda hard to outsource drilling jobs.

Posted by: The Schwalbe : © at September 30, 2011 02:00 PM (UU0OF)

You called?

Posted by: Petrobras at September 30, 2011 10:57 AM (i3+c5)

248

But I'll bet you that the technology is so dadgum sophisticated that it requires workers with a minimum IQ of 110 or 115 to pull it off, which is great for workers out in that IQ range, but I doubt that this technology has much of a demand for workers with IQs of 90, 95, or even 100.

Even the most high tech Silicon Valley enterprise has to rely on average workers to take out the garbage, keep the power and lights on, the sinks working and toilets flushing along with a host of other support sevices.

Same is true out in the Bakken, truck drivers, mechanics, electricians, plumbers, cooks, HVAC guys, you name the trade they need it out there.  As a result there is no effective unemployment here in ND, in fact we are importing thousands upon thousands of workers to meet the need of the oil fields.

However, Obama's handpicked Federal Attorney in ND has filed criminal, yes CRIMINAL, charges against 2 oil companies over a couple of dead birds.  The wind farms out here have killed far more birds than the oil fields could hope to, but Obama wants to put the evil oil people in jail while ignoring the greater offense, if it can even be called an offense expect in the minds whack job leftists.

Posted by: Thresherman at September 30, 2011 11:03 AM (GkYyh)

249 This is why Peak Oil is a bunch of nonsense. Its the same kind of logic as overpopulation idiocy: we're using more and more, it must run out soon! Except technology gets better and better so we produce more and more...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 30, 2011 11:07 AM (r4wIV)

250

Same is true out in the Bakken, truck drivers, mechanics, electricians, plumbers, cooks, HVAC guys, you name the trade they need it out there.

In general, NONE of those guys will have IQs in the 90s.

Maybe the cook, but, if so, then your crew will be eating pig slop for dinner.

[Around here these days, your average restaurant "chef" tends to have a Bachelor's degree, and an IQ up towards 120.]

Even the truck driver will need an IQ up around 100 to 105 - and that's for hauling extremely low risk cargo, in good weather, down in the Sunbelt states - not for hauling high risk cargo, in arctic/sub-arctic conditions, in the Dakotas or Montana.

Beyond that, the mechanics, electricians, plumbers, and HVAC guys will all be solidly IQ-115 or higher.

I'm telling you, if they are challenging Saudi Arabia & Russia for production honors, with a workforce of only 20,000, or thereabouts, then they have got worker productivity at a level which is almost difficult to imagine.

And I guaran-dadgum-tee you that they aren't achieving it with a workforce in the range of IQ-100/IQ-95/IQ-90.

Ain't no way, no how.

Posted by: Paul McCartney is Dead at September 30, 2011 11:34 AM (M1IO5)

251 My ancestral property is ranch land southwest of Gonzales, Texas. Thank heavens my dad had the good sense to retain the mineral rights when he sold the property 30 years ago. The Eagle Ford shale is being very, very good to me right now. Breathtakingly good,

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at September 30, 2011 11:37 AM (ifq/U)

252 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2011 11:48 AM (fyOgS)

253 The Eagle Ford shale is being very, very good to me right now. Breathtakingly good,

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at September 30, 2011 04:37 PM (ifq/U)

It will only get better.  There is 20 years of output there.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 30, 2011 12:46 PM (ItDg4)

254 Stop importing oil and the trade deficit virtually goes away...More importantly, a half trillion dollars a year get to bounce around our country instead of enriching third world despots...

Posted by: Survey sez at September 30, 2011 01:04 PM (wrGst)

255 Thanks a lot, NPR. Now I've got the EPA and Madwoman Lisa Jackson all over my ass.

Posted by: The Bakken Oil Fields at September 30, 2011 01:15 PM (FlVA8)

256 This web site is my breathing in, really fantastic pattern and perfect subject matter.

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