March 30, 2012

Adam Carolla on The Biased Media & The Death of Tyler Clementi
— Ace

Tyler Clementi was that Rutgers kid who killed himself. The media went wild, pretty much lynching the guy accused of "bullying" him.

This New Yorker article is pretty fair and extremely thorough. Maybe too thorough -- it's a long read, but if you read the first three pages you'll probably figure, as I did, "might as well finish it."

The facts demonstrate that Dharun Ravi, the supposed "bully," did in fact commit a crime. That crime? Invasion of privacy in the Third degree.

Wait, no, that's not right, he was never actually able to do that. Tyler Clementi realized that Ravi's computer's webcam was on, so he pulled the plug on the computer.

So Dharun Ravi is guilty of attempted third degree criminal invasion.

Pretty severe charge, eh?

Yeah. Well, because he was overcharged (they added witness tampering!) and of course the hate crimes, he faces a possibility of fifteen to thirty years in prison.

This really wasn't a "hate crime." It was an asshole crime, and it would never have even been a crime if a depressive loner hadn't killed himself.

Dharan Ravi was charged with criminal invasion of privacy (third degree! attempted!) and "bias intimidation," but really they're convicted him of having a roommate who killed himself.

Anyway, Adam Carolla goes off on it, especially media bias, and the media's need for "titillating" stories in which we're all racists and homophobes.

Great rant.

Found at Black and Right.

Posted by: Ace at 03:07 PM | Comments (185)
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1 Allison Rosen just eats this crap up; she's pretty insufferable.

Posted by: Kensington at March 30, 2012 03:10 PM (H84UO)

2 I read a pretty fair article a few weeks ago. Basically, the room mate didn't have an issue with the whole gay thing, and Clementi wasn't really upset about the web cam thing. He was, however, quite upset that his parents weren't too thrilled with his life style choices.

Posted by: Lauren at March 30, 2012 03:11 PM (UIU/e)

3 She and brian both tried that crap about "it's not bias, it's just over-hyping due to social media!" and he straightened them out. if it's overhyping, how come the overhyping never goes the opposite way? Why is it always in the same direction of overhype?

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2012 03:11 PM (nj1bB)

4 These stories need to be told, Ace.

Posted by: Tawana Brawley at March 30, 2012 03:11 PM (QKKT0)

5 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 03:12 PM (vd4t0)

6 >>>Clementi wasn't really upset about the web cam thing. Well he was; he requested a roommate swap and reported it. He had the right to do so. But the fact that this kid was suicidal (he'd always been painfully awkward and isolated and his mom wasn't thrilled to learn he was gay) isn't his fault.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2012 03:12 PM (nj1bB)

7 Steevy, you magnificent bastard!

Posted by: Max Power at March 30, 2012 03:14 PM (q177U)

8 I commented on this a couple weeks ago. Wifey thought the kid should do time, I didn't.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 30, 2012 03:16 PM (vpe0k)

9 even if you think he should do some time, he should something consistent with ATTEMPTED third degree criminal invasion of privacy. Six months? At most?

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2012 03:16 PM (nj1bB)

10 Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- An Afghan police officer shot and killed nine other officers in southeast Afghanistan on Thursday night, authorities said. The incident occurred in Paktika province, a spokesman for the provincial governor said. Two police officers were arrested, and another, believed to be part of the attack, fled, the spokesman said. The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack and said in a statement that the officer who fired the shots was actually a Taliban fighter. The shooter was a member of the Afghan Local Police force, International Security Assistance Force spokesman Maj. Joe Buccino said in a statement. Buccino described the officer as a "rogue" and said the attack was not preceded by any signs of trouble.... This year, a third, or 16, of the 46 American service members killed in Afghanistan have died at the hands of Afghan security forces, including Monday when a man alleged to be a local Afghan police officer killed an American service member in eastern Afghanistan. Gen. John Allen, the commander of the NATO-led force, said officials are working on a new procedure to check the background of Afghans who sign up to join the security services....

Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 03:16 PM (vd4t0)

11 I read that New Yorker article weeks ago. Definitely a great take on the case, and it makes you feel for Ravi, jackass though he is. One interesting thing that came out in he article was that Tyler thought his mom was pretty cold to Jim after he came out. No doubt that played into his last decisions.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 30, 2012 03:17 PM (IDvod)

12 I doubt very much that ATTEMPTED third degree criminal invasion is prosecuted very much at all.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2012 03:17 PM (nj1bB)

13 Ravi behaved immaturely.  Evidently, that's a crime.  He also committed thought crimes against gays by making fun of them.  That's a hate crime.  His gay roommate killed himself because he was depressed and didn't have the ability or desire to seek help.  That's practically murder.

Yes, he's an obnoxious, immature asshole.  If that were a criminal offense, they'd lock the nice people in the prisons to protect them from the rest of us.

Posted by: huerfano at March 30, 2012 03:20 PM (bAGA/)

14 The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack and said in a statement that the officer who fired the shots was actually a Taliban fighter.

Is there not some collective punishment that would be legal?  Maybe exile the murders extended family to some distant part of the country or something.

Posted by: toby928 at March 30, 2012 03:20 PM (GTbGH)

15 by the way, the duration of the alleged "bullying" was like three days. It was three days from when Ravi first saw the make-out guys 'till the suicide. Three days.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2012 03:21 PM (nj1bB)

16 They have student health centers and numerous on campus and off campus gay groups that help people. He chose not to use them. Then again, when you are acutely depressed, you don't think clearly. Not sure that is his roommate's fault.

Posted by: mike at March 30, 2012 03:22 PM (s6QDI)

17 Is there not some collective punishment that would be legal?



Just off the top of my head.....how 'bout we leave that shithole and bomb it to glass?

Posted by: Tami at March 30, 2012 03:22 PM (X6akg)

18
I have been wonder...when was it that the MFM went from being the "Enemy of the State" to being the "Enemy of the People"?

Is it due to the conglomeration?

Used to be the function of the press to expose Corruption, mostly at the state level. Now they carry it's water.

Posted by: sTevo at March 30, 2012 03:22 PM (VMcEw)

19 He only requested the room mate swap because a friend was pushing him to do it. His initial reaction was to joke about it on Twitter. Sure, it might have been really bothering him, but he certainly didn't act like it right after the incident.

Posted by: Lauren at March 30, 2012 03:22 PM (UIU/e)

20 We need to set up an AoShq webcam and see who we catch Ace making out with.

Posted by: mike at March 30, 2012 03:23 PM (s6QDI)

21 If the Ravi kid had done this, and it turned out the Clementi kid was banging a chick, the very worst he'd face is the invasion of privacy charge. But because the delicate suicidal little flower was also gay, Ravi is now a world-class h8r, and made himself subject to the special laws.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 30, 2012 03:23 PM (KI/Ch)

22 Lauren, he became angry, it seems. And he had a right to be. The guy was being a snooper with his webcam, and making fun of him. Still. This is the kind of crime which is almost never prosecuted, except as a secondary charge in like a big pornography bust.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2012 03:24 PM (nj1bB)

23 Escalate!

Posted by: Preznit Sharpton at March 30, 2012 03:24 PM (vpe0k)

24 Filming sex? Pleeze.

Posted by: Tucker Max at March 30, 2012 03:26 PM (vpe0k)

25 He didn't film anything. That is one of the legends of the internet/early media hype-reporting.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2012 03:27 PM (nj1bB)

26 There is no such thing as a hate crime.  The adjective is totally--TOTALLY unnecessary.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 30, 2012 03:28 PM (7utQ2)

27 the adam carolla rant is good.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2012 03:28 PM (nj1bB)

28 The absolute worst part of these kinds of things is that the media is all too willing to completely ignore stories when the shoe is on the other foot. The Knoxville, TN, rape/murder of two young white kids by a gang of blacks, the Arkansas murder of a young boy by two homosexual predators; we never hear a goddam word about these from these inflammatory media cockstains.

Posted by: UGAdawg at March 30, 2012 03:28 PM (WYOrt)

29 I read that article a few weeks ago. Very detailed, thorough take on the situation. Makes you really feel for Ravi, jackass though he is. One interesting thing that came out in the article was that Tyler thought his mom was cold to him after he came out. No doubt that played a role in his final decisions.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 30, 2012 03:28 PM (IDvod)

30 Oh not excusing what Ravi did, it was definitely a jack ass thing to do. Just saying that its role in the suicide, and its impact on Clementi, is being very much exaggerated. The media acts as though he discovered he was being filmed, and then turned around and ran to.the nearest bridge.

Posted by: Lauren at March 30, 2012 03:28 PM (UIU/e)

31 listen up idiots im going to tell you some facts

when that guy killed his roomate becuase he was a gay

he should of thought about if you do the crime

you do the time

dont feel sorry for him fell sorry for the gay guy that got killed

#JusticeForTervon

Posted by: Jose Canseco's Gristle Encased Head at March 30, 2012 03:29 PM (gkSHY)

32 Sorry, double post. I really hope that kid gets off light. No way he deserves this circus.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 30, 2012 03:30 PM (IDvod)

33 @31 - It's better to lurk on the internet and be thought an idiot than to post a comment and remove all doubt

Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2012 03:31 PM (Y+DPZ)

34 Keith Olbermann's rolling over in his grave.

Posted by: toby928 at March 30, 2012 03:33 PM (GTbGH)

35 Remember boys, if you're going to pull an immature prank on one of your buds, you best make damn sure you're going to catch the dude hammering away on a tight little snatch. You accidentally catch him with a cock in his mouth then your h8r ass is going to be used for decades by your fellow state pen inmates.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 30, 2012 03:34 PM (KI/Ch)

36

Keith Olbermann is dead?  Keith Olbermann is dead?

 

 

And that's when I woke up.

Posted by: Ed Schultz, MSNBC Genius at March 30, 2012 03:36 PM (sJTmU)

37 Apparently some people are more equal than others.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 30, 2012 03:36 PM (jucos)

38 >>Holy shit, Tim Tebow has turned ghey!

I think I read about that on this smart military blog I read sometimes.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 30, 2012 03:37 PM (hO8IJ)

39 Nice work, SCOAMF, Spike, and Sharpton!

Poll Shows Americans Don't Want Zimmerman Arrested

http://tinyurl.com/7mtdjmq

"Weeks of one-sided stories pushed by professional agitators like Al Sharpton have had an effect on public opinion. Last weekend, (3/25-3/26) CNN conducted a poll which showed 73% of adults believed Trayvon Martin's shooter George Zimmerman should be arrested. Now a new poll by WPA opinion dynamics finds that number has dropped sharply in just the last few days:"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2012 03:37 PM (Y+DPZ)

40 Hey, you want to cruise for fags?

Posted by: Tommy James at March 30, 2012 03:37 PM (VMcEw)

41

Poll we much!

 

Remember the skillets!

Posted by: The Right Reverend Al Sharpton! at March 30, 2012 03:39 PM (sJTmU)

42 Posted by: Lauren at March 30, 2012 08:22 PM (UIU/e) He didn't joke on twitter, it was an anonymous forum.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 30, 2012 03:41 PM (IDvod)

43 So what are we averaging tonight, like 5 minutes between new threads?

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 03:46 PM (R5yLq)

44 You're right, Yoshi. Like I said, it's been several weeks since I read the article. The point was that he was joking about it after it happened, not sobbing in.a corner and slitting his wrists.

Posted by: Lauren at March 30, 2012 03:48 PM (UIU/e)

45 ...that's you having a genital problem with your neck...

That's gold.

Posted by: sTevo at March 30, 2012 03:48 PM (VMcEw)

46 Does an absoute lack of interest in any sort of facts constitute 'with malice?'

Posted by: nickless at March 30, 2012 03:48 PM (MMC8r)

47 ATTEMPTED invasion of privacy? Do they give Nobel Prizes for ATTEMPTED chemistry?

Posted by: Sideshow Bob at March 30, 2012 03:50 PM (hO8IJ)

48 "Does an absoute lack of interest in any sort of facts constitute 'with malice?'" Not if you vote Democrat apparently.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 03:50 PM (R5yLq)

49 Heh, Corolla just put up a short vid of the Westboro Baptist freaks protesting his show tonight. http://www.keek.com/!12rbaab

Posted by: booger at March 30, 2012 03:50 PM (HI6wa)

50 Rutgers is just as much to blame as Ravi. If these colleges are going to be bastions of liberalism, tell everyone. Make it part of freshman orientation and rules, just state that no homosexuals, certain minorities, women, etc. shall be insulted, made to feel bad or ridiculed in any way or you will suffer dire consequences such as prison.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 30, 2012 03:51 PM (GZitp)

51 "ATTEMPTED invasion of privacy? Do they give Nobel Prizes for ATTEMPTED chemistry?" Maybe. I know they give them out for "Attempted Peace". Just ask Obama, or for that matter Arafat.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 03:51 PM (R5yLq)

52 Gen. John Allen, the commander of the NATO-led force, said officials are working on a new procedure to check the background of Afghans who sign up to join the security services....

Posted by: steevy at March 30, 2012 08:16 PM (vd4t0)


Got to love it when your declared "allies" seem to be more deadly than your declared "enemies" .


With a douchebag CiC and politically correct field commanders, it is way past to to boogaloo the f*** out of that 7th century hellhole.  It is not our job to civilize the uncivilizable even if it is the "right" Dem approved war.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 30, 2012 03:52 PM (i3+c5)

53 so if Ravi, outed Larry Craig?
why is this guy in jail, yet others are applauded if they bust a republican? ( i know it was by cop, still they applaud?") what if an outted guys wife kills herself because the husband is outted and she didn't know? is that person culpable for the wife?

say even if it's all true, he goes to prison for being an insensitive pig?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 03:52 PM (TomZ9)

54 Gossip-column journalism.

Posted by: nickless at March 30, 2012 03:53 PM (MMC8r)

55 "Got to love it when your declared "allies" seem to be more deadly than your declared "enemies" " I have a solution I think will make everyone happy. Pull out all of our troops, bring them home, and put them in charge of security at our airports. Then take the entire TSA and ship them to Afghanistan, let them deal with the problem over there. Win win!

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 03:53 PM (R5yLq)

56 SoS--simply brilliant!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 30, 2012 03:54 PM (i3+c5)

57 " SoS--simply brilliant!" Throw enough shit against the wall, eventually something sticks.. lol

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 03:56 PM (R5yLq)

58 Posted by: lowandslow at March 30, 2012 08:51 PM (GZitp) Most schools do that already as part of the opening talks. I would be surprised if Rutgers is any different.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 30, 2012 03:57 PM (IDvod)

59 ...beat off and go home...

This could be live blogged.

Posted by: sTevo at March 30, 2012 03:57 PM (VMcEw)

60 "...beat off and go home... This could be live blogged." Well, if you must. However please remember my policy. Don't ask, don't tell, for god's sake don't send video.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 03:58 PM (R5yLq)

61 kbdabear,
i find it really creepy we  are having polls on whether we should jail a guy without lawful process.

i just don't think it helps
anyone else think it's wrong?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:00 PM (TomZ9)

62 "Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 30, 2012 08:57 PM (IDvod)"

Really?  Ravi was aware that what he was doing could cost him twenty years of his life?  I highly doubt that.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 30, 2012 04:00 PM (GZitp)

63 ATTEMPTED invasion of privacy? Do they give Nobel Prizes for ATTEMPTED chemistry? Posted by: Sideshow Bob at March 30, 2012 08:50 PM (hO8IJ) ------------------------------------------------------- Why not? They gave one for potential Presidency.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 30, 2012 04:02 PM (jucos)

64

"Gen. John Allen, the commander of the NATO-led force, said officials are working on a new procedure to check the background of Afghans who sign up to join the security services....

Question #1: Are you a muslim?

Question #2: Have you or your family been compromised by muslim intimidation?  (Not applicable in afstan where all the non-muslims have been run off or kilt)

 

Posted by: meleager at March 30, 2012 04:02 PM (KiFi0)

65 Yikes! Lee Stranahan delivered twins but the little girl was dead.

Posted by: mike at March 30, 2012 04:02 PM (s6QDI)

66 this doesn't even seem to fit a bullying thing., nor did he seem to hate the guy. 
were there witness's that he ran around town showing a video?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:03 PM (TomZ9)

67 46 I like Adam Carolla but in his book he described Obama as a President who plays basketball not golf. Um...Adam?

Posted by: fozzy at March 30, 2012 04:04 PM (FEzSe)

68 Yikes! Lee Stranahan delivered twins but the little girl was dead.

Posted by: mike at March 30, 2012 09:02 PM (s6QDI)



Yeah, saw that earlier today.  Sad..... 

Posted by: Tami at March 30, 2012 04:04 PM (X6akg)

69 Uuuuurrrrgh, the player won't load!

Firefox users, which program do I need to un-block to run it?

Posted by: logprof at March 30, 2012 04:05 PM (ykSKg)

70 shrug.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:05 PM (TomZ9)

71 Also, he actually laughed when his friend brought up the idea that the situation could be considered a hate crime. Clearly, he didn't think that was the case.

Posted by: Lauren at March 30, 2012 04:06 PM (UIU/e)

72 I should have said his wife delivered twins and yes, very sad.

Posted by: mike at March 30, 2012 04:08 PM (s6QDI)

73 Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 30, 2012 08:17 PM (IDvod) Nail on the head. You shouldn't go to jail for 30 years for being a jackass. You go away because you are actually guilty of actually committing an actual crime. What a fucking world.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 30, 2012 04:09 PM (Af3Wg)

74 last night I ATTEMPTED to create cold fusion --- let you know when it works

( it was third degree cold fusion, too )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 30, 2012 04:09 PM (Dll6b)

75 OMG.. just listened to Adams rant. I feel sick.

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 30, 2012 04:09 PM (DGIjM)

76 I feel bad for clementi, that life at such a tender age was abysmal, that really sucks. but it is doubtful the 18 yr old room-mate that didn't have a lot in common with him would realize he had serious issues.
most adults don't understand mental health issues.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:10 PM (TomZ9)

77 Al & Jesse are calling for an "esccalation". Also, strip club cancels party in honor of Trayvon. lol!

Posted by: mike at March 30, 2012 04:12 PM (s6QDI)

78 Thought experiment:

Had the situation been the reverse, would Clementi have been prosecuted?

... I shall wait for your answer at the bar.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 30, 2012 04:13 PM (JEpGb)

79 "and it would never have even been a crime if a depressive loner hadn't killed himself." It is your unceasing humanity that draws me near you, Ace. Truly.

Posted by: Horatius at March 30, 2012 04:14 PM (x7d3W)

80 They were going to admit anyone in free if they presented a bag of skittles, I shit you not!

Posted by: mike at March 30, 2012 04:14 PM (s6QDI)

81 The strip club realised they wouldn't have been able to maintain security if they'd gone through with the plan, mike.

/denounces self, again

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at March 30, 2012 04:19 PM (QTHTd)

82

You get your chicks for nothin and your skittles are free

 

I want my

I want my

I want my Current TV

 

Easy, easy money

 

That ain't ....workin.

Posted by: Keith Olbermann on Current TV! at March 30, 2012 04:19 PM (sJTmU)

83 Skittles are the Devil's Jujubes.

Posted by: toby928 at March 30, 2012 04:21 PM (GTbGH)

84 quite a sentence for gossiping about a gay room-mate.
like teens don't gossip about everyone they meet?
so it probably caused clementi distress but why? as he was very upfront about having men over?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:21 PM (TomZ9)

85 Easy, easy money That ain't ....workin. Posted by: Keith Olbermann

I noticed you left out some of the lyrics.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] at March 30, 2012 04:23 PM (JEpGb)

86 I'm just dreading the day that a gay person goes into a church, hears a sermon that's less than gay-friendly, kills him/herself and the loved ones come after the church. Or some poor kid whose gone to youth group at the local church since grade school comes out as gay in high school, is the subject of a well-meaning intervention/prayer circle/something and then jumps off a bridge, and the law or the public school decides to prosecute that as bullying. You know that's the desired end. Certain lefties are just salivating for the gay suicide that can be linked to church-related "bullying".

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at March 30, 2012 04:24 PM (snRY5)

87 64 kbdabear,
i find it really creepy we are having polls on whether we should jail a guy without lawful process.

i just don't think it helps
anyone else think it's wrong?
Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 09:00 PM

It's against everything our supposed rule of law is supposed to stand for.

You'd think the Barry the Constitutional Law Professor would at least admonish his buddies in the MBM, have a "Sistah Souljah" moment. But it's not in his DNA

Quiet disclaimers by news hosts about "remember, in our country you're still presumed innocent" doesn't wash after the likes of Nancy Grace have whipped up the mob


Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2012 04:25 PM (Y+DPZ)

88 Clearly this sad story of homophobia points to the dire need for free birth control.

Posted by: Sandra Slut at March 30, 2012 04:26 PM (7FadD)

89 >>Lauren, he became angry, it seems.

And he had a right to be. The guy was being a snooper with his webcam, and making fun of him.

Still. This is the kind of crime which is almost never prosecuted, except as a secondary charge in like a big pornography bust.

Posted by: ace at March 30, 2012 08:24 PM (nj1bB)


To me, it seems like Ravi  was worried about his stuff getting stolen from the person visiting.  When he got to the galfirends room, and saw the other stuff going on the web cam, he turned the camera off.

I don't think Ravi cared that his "cell mate" was gay, but it seems that it worried Clementi and his folks more.

Posted by: jem at March 30, 2012 04:26 PM (0oYHO)

90 LOL! @ the formatting here.

Posted by: jem at March 30, 2012 04:27 PM (0oYHO)

91 "Lottery officials say about 90% of numbers have been played. 10% chance of a $1B jackpot next week"

Posted by: mike at March 30, 2012 04:30 PM (s6QDI)

92 Ha Ha "rule of law"? You Preznit Panther in the house with his own personal Heydrich, Eric Holder!

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 30, 2012 04:30 PM (vpe0k)

93 This Dot-Headed Indian darkie should go to prison for life for the murder of this poor proud gay youth. Fellatio between two men is legal! Gay people have been victimized since the days of Henry the Eighth when he would cut their heads off just for being gay! Where do you think the phrase "giving head" came from?

Posted by: GLAAD, always sensitive to other cultures. at March 30, 2012 04:30 PM (r3ITV)

94 I believe we are in trouble if the fascists courts can do this crap.

But the forcing us to buy the broccoli analogy... Far, far, far, worse. They own us if that one works.

Posted by: Lick at March 30, 2012 04:31 PM (BGeAn)

95 kbdabear, it's really been a truly eye opening experience for me, as i know that i've heard other cases in this manner periodically although i did not really pay attention to these type of cases.
what has alarmed me greatly is not only the media out with their daggers , but the intent to get frothing crowds  moving in a less then peaceful fashion against fellow americans.
not to say that Obama and Holder's lack of dragging in BP for putting a bounty on the head of another  american, (death sentence for usre).
I feel like i'm not living in america anymore, it's quite discomfiting.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:31 PM (TomZ9)

96 It's: Get your I.T. for nothing and your Skillets for free.

Posted by: mike at March 30, 2012 04:32 PM (s6QDI)

97 Interesting read.. 20 Signs That We Are Witnessing The Complete Collapse Of Common Sense In America http://tinyurl.com/6r59bwg

Posted by: Jumbo Jogging Shrimp at March 30, 2012 04:32 PM (DGIjM)

98 What's with people nowadays ratting you out to the cops or offing themselves if you insult them.

Used to be you and a buddy kicked the shit out of him and threw him in the trunk of your car after he insulted you

Fuckin' people these days!

Posted by: Tommy DeVito at March 30, 2012 04:33 PM (Y+DPZ)

99 so the kid Ravi, is really being punished for having an opinion and openly discussing it with friends, that he didn't understand it.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:33 PM (TomZ9)

100 Clementi should have responded more appropriately to his roommate's snooping ...

- by having his guest use Ravi's pillowcase to wipe up after their next rendezvous.

Posted by: Alex at March 30, 2012 04:35 PM (/yzYn)

101 Still. This is the kind of crime which is almost never prosecuted, except as a secondary charge in like a big pornography bust. http://www.oakleysunglassesuk.net/

Posted by: oakley sunglasses cheap at March 30, 2012 04:35 PM (Y5LiK)

102

The progressive media lies for the agenda.

check.

 

Posted by: rectal exam at March 30, 2012 04:36 PM (O7ksG)

103 "i find it really creepy we are having polls on whether we should jail a guy"

Yes.

Yet gov ignores all the Obamacare polls.

We'll jail some guy if it makes you people happy, but damned if we give a shit what you think re your health and pocketbook.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at March 30, 2012 04:36 PM (F60dg)

104

All hail our newest protected class of people!  The special thing about this class is that you get to join by simple declaration. 

 

Plaase continue down the hallway to Quotas, Admissions, and Promotions.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 30, 2012 04:36 PM (rX1N2)

105

When America was great the proper punishment for being an asshole was a quality ass kicking.

 

Not being locked in a cage for you entire youth. That's fucked up.

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at March 30, 2012 04:36 PM (NVu2l)

106 Editors/Producers on trial, offices/studios SACKED

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 30, 2012 04:37 PM (vpe0k)

107 American prog media are like Iranian leadership.

Posted by: rectal exam at March 30, 2012 04:37 PM (O7ksG)

108 Now witness the firepower of this fully operational Nancy Grace!

Posted by: Dark Emperor of Cable News at March 30, 2012 04:38 PM (sJTmU)

109 yeah this case is sad , i do feel sad for clementi, but it's outrageous. Invasion of privacy in the Third degree. 15 years? just wow.
srsly are kids supposed to use the dorm rooms to screw anyway?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:40 PM (TomZ9)

110 Posted by: Tommy DeVito at March 30, 2012 09:33 PM (Y+DPZ)

Tsk tsk.  It was Tommy DeSimone. Oh nevermind.  I just looked it up they changed his name for the movie.

Posted by: fozzy at March 30, 2012 04:40 PM (FEzSe)

111 >>srsly are kids supposed to use the dorm rooms to screw anyway?

Google "Sex Week at Harvard."   Or Yale, if that's more your thing.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 30, 2012 04:42 PM (hO8IJ)

112 >>srsly are kids supposed to use the dorm rooms to screw anyway?


Seriously, this question was actually asked?

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 30, 2012 04:44 PM (r3ITV)

113 Repress is Gods will, live with it.

Posted by: Lick at March 30, 2012 04:44 PM (BGeAn)

114 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 30, 2012 09:09 PM (Af3Wg) Damn right. They're effectively killing this kid.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 30, 2012 04:44 PM (E7NVC)

115 "Google "Sex Week at Harvard." Or Yale, if that's more your thing." Wow.. do we have to? I mean can't we google something that won't make us sick?

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 04:45 PM (R5yLq)

116 resist we much

Posted by: Avi at March 30, 2012 04:45 PM (J3gb4)

117 114 >>srsly are kids supposed to use the dorm rooms to screw anyway?


It's probably a civil right to turn the showers into a gay bath-house.

Posted by: fozzy at March 30, 2012 04:45 PM (FEzSe)

118 srsly are kids supposed to use the dorm rooms to screw anyway? Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 09:40 PM (TomZ9) That hasn't been out of character for most colleges in the last 15-20 years.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at March 30, 2012 04:45 PM (E7NVC)

119 samuel, is it a policy of the school, that's my question.
do they have rules?
sure i know young adults will if the can anywhere if they want to.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:46 PM (TomZ9)

120 God wants us to repress our desire. The right wants to legislate it.

Posted by: Lick at March 30, 2012 04:47 PM (BGeAn)

121 because of this i ask.
{ invasion of Privacy the Third degree.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:47 PM (TomZ9)

122 is there an expectation enforced by the school of privacy for ..?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:48 PM (TomZ9)

123 I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that raykon sucks cock by choice yet?

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at March 30, 2012 04:48 PM (GTbGH)

124 OT: Obama's Kenyan birth certificate surfaces in Kenya.

http://tinyurl.com/6mgekoc

Posted by: John McCain at March 30, 2012 04:48 PM (EL+OC)

125 Yeah this was gonna be my next Common Knowledge, but its getting well covered so maybe it won't be so surprising for folks. This kid got horribly railroaded.
Ravi did nothing wrong, he was trying to protect himself and his room mate.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 30, 2012 04:49 PM (r4wIV)

126 "God wants us to repress our desire. The right wants to legislate it." Wooohoo! I was just saying to Hummingbird, gosh.. this would be the best thread ever if we just had one fucking idiot spouting nonsense. And here you are. Thanks Bubba. You really saved the whole thread.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 04:49 PM (R5yLq)

127 LICK my balls

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 30, 2012 04:49 PM (vpe0k)

128 113 Posted by: Tommy DeVito at March 30, 2012 09:33 PM (Y+DPZ)

Tsk tsk. It was Tommy DeSimone. Oh nevermind. I just looked it up they changed his name for the movie.
Posted by: fozzy at March 30, 2012 09:40 PM

The only names not changed were Henry and Karen Hill's, Parnell "Stacks" Edwards, and a few other minor characters

Jimmy Conway = Jimmy "The Gent" Burke
Paul Cicero = Paul Vario
Morrie Kessler = Marty Krugman

Posted by: Tommy DeVito at March 30, 2012 04:49 PM (Y+DPZ)

129 for g-ds sake i know they Do it in there, IS it enforceable by the school , do they have an expectation to have alone for sex time?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:49 PM (TomZ9)

130
  Seriously this whole fucking thing is bullshit. These progressives and their agenda needs to be scrubbed from society. Everywhere you look you can see evidence of their influence.  They deserve shaming for the travesty they have inflicted on my country.  No debate, reasoning or any other form of interaction is permissible--ONLY total banishment of them and their philosophy.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 30, 2012 04:50 PM (SAMxH)

131 Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 09:46 PM (TomZ9)



Sorry I was cracking wise. Most colleges frown on sexual activity in the dorm rooms. Kinda like when I was in the Military and they told us we couldn't have sex in our dorms/barracks. Yet, there we were bringing girls back to the barracks after a drunken night.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 30, 2012 04:50 PM (r3ITV)

132 "A woman in shiny leather shorts and tight top twirled on a stripper pole in a city hall committee room Thursday. Toronto councillors on the licensing committee watched with interest."

Story about strippers from Canada today:  http://tinyurl.com/7pz4glf  Warning, link is to left-wing rag Toronto Star.


Posted by: fozzy at March 30, 2012 04:50 PM (FEzSe)

133 I use to be more supportive of gay marriage but anymore I don't give a shit. I am tired of 1-2% of the population being a special protected class and being insanely over represented in the media.

Posted by: Drew in MO at March 30, 2012 04:52 PM (KeFbr)

134 >>do they have an expectation to have alone for sex time?

Leave a sock on the doorknob, your roommate will spend the night in the floor lounge.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 30, 2012 04:52 PM (hO8IJ)

135 I don't consider myself to be particularly homophobic. I have gay friends. I've been to gay bars with friends - while keeping it to myself that being there felt creepy. I genuinely don't give a shit about gay marriage. Having said all that, just the thought of making video of two fags getting it on makes me want to vomit, so I find the idea of someone with actual homophobic hostility doing it to be pretty ridiculous. Do lefties really not grasp that anyone who is hostile to gays would rather die in a fire than secretly video them having their gay sex?*


* Except for hot lesbians.

Posted by: Deuce at March 30, 2012 04:53 PM (E55AK)

136 Samuel,
ok because of the charge.
invasion of privacy in the Third degree.
i wondered if he could be defended on that point.
that there was no expectation that the room .. blah blah.

see?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:53 PM (TomZ9)

137 "srsly are kids supposed to use the dorm rooms to screw anyway?"

I can easily see a female under some scenario in which two heterosexuals were going at it that it would constitute a hostile environment for her.

Have we really come to the point where being put off by homosexual activity in the same room with you constitutes homophobia and hate?

What about just plain old masturbation? Is there something wrong with you if your roommate gets on the Internet looking at porn, fondling his junk, and jizzing all over the screen...and you want him to cease and desist?

(I admit I don't know exactly what was going on in this case and have never been interested enough to read the details. But it seems to me that sex in the dorm has to be negotiated. You are not entitled to inflict it on your roomie.)


Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at March 30, 2012 04:53 PM (F60dg)

138 Most colleges frown on sexual activity in the dorm rooms.

Tie on the doorknob means come back later, dudes.

Posted by: toby928 at March 30, 2012 04:53 PM (GTbGH)

139 Tyler lived in my town, and one of our brats knew him. His comment was pretty much, "nobody gave a shit about whether he was gay."

The kid was fucked up. He killed himself. That he had a dipshit roommate was coincidence.

FREE DHARAN RAVI!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 30, 2012 04:54 PM (nEUpB)

140 article says;In fact, there was no posting, no observed sex, and no closet. But last spring, shortly before Molly Wei made a deal with prosecutors, Ravi was indicted on charges of invasion of privacy (sex crimes), bias intimidation (hate crimes), witness tampering, and evidence tampering

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:56 PM (TomZ9)

141 OT. Just saw this on Fox Sports...Dwayne Wade's nephew one of 11 shot in Chicago. Wasn't the suspect in that shooting wearing a hoodie? And wasn't Wade wearing a hoodie in support of Trayvon? Why is it that the dumbest human beings on the planet either play in the NBA or are journalists?

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 30, 2012 04:56 PM (r3ITV)

142
129 "God wants us to repress our desire. The right wants to legislate it."

Wooohoo!

I was just saying to Hummingbird, gosh.. this would be the best thread ever if we just had one fucking idiot spouting nonsense.

And here you are. Thanks Bubba. You really saved the whole thread.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 09:49 PM (R5yLq)




LOL!   That be raykon, allways on the ready!!

Posted by: jem at March 30, 2012 04:57 PM (0oYHO)

143 Nickolas, but legally, as the rules might have been there was No expectation of privacy in that way?
could that be part of a defense

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 04:58 PM (TomZ9)

144 >>Why is it that the dumbest human beings on the planet either play in the NBA or are journalists?

Groupies.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 30, 2012 05:00 PM (hO8IJ)

145 How would this have been handled had Ravi been black? After all, the most exhalted victim class isn't exactly known for understanding and tolerance of gays

Posted by: kbdabear at March 30, 2012 05:02 PM (Y+DPZ)

146 Fuck these 1 percent perversions of nature. I'm glad he's taking a dirt nap. One less drama queen.

Posted by: Cast Iron at March 30, 2012 05:02 PM (EL+OC)

147 Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 09:58 PM (TomZ9)


I would honestly be shocked if the college allowed sexual activity in the dorm rooms. At least in the rule books. However, how are they going to railroad this Ravi kid if they decided that the Clementi kid violated the rules for engaging in sexual activity in the dorm? It wouldn't fit their fucked-up narrative.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 30, 2012 05:03 PM (r3ITV)

148 kbdabear,
they would have went after a mormon of course.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 05:03 PM (TomZ9)

149 "LOL! That be raykon, allways on the ready!!" Raykon. When you care enough to send the absolute best - in fucking idiots. Yup.. it's all in the advertising.. lol

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 05:04 PM (R5yLq)

150 How would this have been handled had Ravi been black? After all, the most exhalted victim class isn't exactly known for understanding and tolerance of gays


Sorry, Gays override blacks in victimhood status. Ask Tracey Morgan.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 30, 2012 05:05 PM (r3ITV)

151
I would honestly be shocked if the college allowed sexual activity in the dorm rooms.


That would run pretty well smack into a couple rulings that what you do in your domicile sexually is your business, not your landlords.

Posted by: xbradtc at March 30, 2012 05:06 PM (p3cEJ)

152 I read the article. Looks like Ravi is having the hammer brought down for Felony Turning Down the Prosecutor's Deal. He got offered a deal for 600 hours of community service, no prison time, and turned it down. So now the prosecutor is stacking on charges in order to get a ridiculous prison time. That's how the justice system in America works now.

You have the right to a trial by a jury of your peers. But the prosecutor gets awfully vindictive if you try to exercise that right.

Posted by: Justin at March 30, 2012 05:07 PM (yoAYX)

153 Samuel, in Ravis defense .
Clementi should have  had no expectation to total privacy for sex. as some rule in their handbood on rules might indicate.
so when ravi opened his screen to see the guy, but instead saw a kiss.
could it be said in fairness or defense of Ravi, that there should have been  no expectation of privacy if they are trying to bust him for having seen the lusty hug kissy thing.?

i certainly don't want clementi to be piled on, his case is sad, and we all know people decided to have sex.
om only talking about "expectation for privacy to have {  used for  in ravis defense.

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 05:08 PM (TomZ9)

154 Justin one wonders though if he would have gone on some deviant sex list though. ?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 05:09 PM (TomZ9)

155 I hate raycon, dont we all???

Posted by: Lick at March 30, 2012 05:10 PM (BGeAn)

156 xbrad good point, so a college dorm room would be  held to those standards also?

Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 05:11 PM (TomZ9)

157 Repression is against our instinct, but God demands it. So we must decide

Posted by: Lick at March 30, 2012 05:13 PM (BGeAn)

158 Posted by: willow at March 30, 2012 10:08 PM (TomZ9)


I'm agreeing with you, there should not be a case anyway shape or manner. All Ravi did that was wrong was be an idiot. How many 18 year olds aren't idiots. Nobody has the fucking balls to admit that while his suicide was tragic, it sure wasn't caused by what his 18 year old college roommate did. Besides, I don't know how these dorm rooms are arranged. If the beds are next to each other then there is no expectation of privacy.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at March 30, 2012 05:13 PM (r3ITV)

159 Oh, speaking of advertising: Surfing Atheist websites for propaganda to cut and paste : $0 College Education that leaves you bereft of critical thinking skills: $60,000 Look on Raykon's face when he dies and discovers there really is a God: priceless

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 30, 2012 05:13 PM (R5yLq)

160 Ladies, you can talk all you want about sex, but you must shape up if want the masters....

Posted by: Lick at March 30, 2012 05:15 PM (BGeAn)

161 Look on Raykon's face when he dies and discovers there really is a God: priceless


Wait and see the look on his face when I shove my pineapple-sized chancre up his ass.

Posted by: Satan at March 30, 2012 05:15 PM (r3ITV)

162 Ladies, skinny is life

Posted by: Lick at March 30, 2012 05:19 PM (BGeAn)

163 Ladies, I can have any one when I am on (lifting and running). Why repress our desire?

Posted by: Lick at March 30, 2012 05:21 PM (BGeAn)

164 158: Maybe, but I think it shows how hard prosecutors try to punish people for exercising what are supposed to be fundamental rights. Plead guilty, get community service (which is appropriate for attempted third degree criminal invasion). Fight and you're facing 10-20 years in prison. That 10-20 year prison time is the pissed off prosecutor premium.

Posted by: Justin at March 30, 2012 05:25 PM (yoAYX)

165 Posted by: Jose Canseco's Gristle Encased Head at March 30, 2012 08:29 PM (gkSHY) That's the most succinct troll argument I've ever seen. I am in awe.

Posted by: Entropy at March 30, 2012 05:26 PM (Ci0JG)

166 Fascist right wingers, why cant you just let people live free? End the repression.

Posted by: Lick at March 30, 2012 05:27 PM (BGeAn)

167 I see the big story (Trayvon Martin) has fallen off the front pages and top of the news. Hmm. Wonder why?

Could it be that they've realized where that train wreck is headed and they're bailing out now.

AP tries to backtrack for it's p-shopping of Zimmerman's picture and shows a newer one but somehow never shows a new picture of the football playing 6' Martin and his gold teeth and gang signs.

Guess Roseanne better talk to some lawyers stat. (Is she even worth any money? How much did that lefty j-off get paid for a series about a whining, bullying, obnoxious fat-ass bitch queen? oh. It was cast to type.)

I'm shocked that Spike Lee had the sense to man up and do the right thing for himself. Musta been someone else's advice cause his sense of right and wrong is too messed up to have come to that result on his own.

Now let's see if this special prosecutor does the right thing and not a "Nifong".

Posted by: Inspired by disgust at March 30, 2012 05:40 PM (CP+yl)

168 Hi, Lick.  Go jump off a bridge, whydon'cha.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at March 30, 2012 05:55 PM (7l7KA)

169 The lesson from this can be summed up thusly:

If you're going to gossip, do it offline where your words won't be captured and used against you in the future.

Posted by: soulpile is... expendable at March 30, 2012 06:26 PM (NJpM7)

170 Wasn't this the plot of "Dead Man on Campus", but without the hate crime legislation and all the feel-good hi-jinx if TV's Mark-Paul Gosselaar!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at March 30, 2012 07:26 PM (Y5I9o)

Posted by: ms. docweasel at March 30, 2012 08:11 PM (beBtw)

172 damn, link didn't work
boo hoo, corporate media is dying
http://tinyurl.com/7qd9qwp

Posted by: ms. docweasel at March 30, 2012 08:12 PM (beBtw)

173 Also, Clementi left 3 suicide notes, but those were not presented as evidence and no one knows what's in them...which means they were NOT about Ravi or they'd have been leaked.

Posted by: sexypig at March 30, 2012 09:29 PM (IE9YP)

174 can the ampersand be escaped ?  a\&p

Posted by: toby928 at March 31, 2012 05:13 AM (GTbGH)

175 '&'

Posted by: toby928 at March 31, 2012 05:13 AM (GTbGH)

176 "&"

Posted by: toby928 at March 31, 2012 05:13 AM (GTbGH)

177 nope

Posted by: toby928 at March 31, 2012 05:14 AM (GTbGH)

178 Just think: if the Tyler Clementi hadn't been videoed he wouldn't have committed suicide because of being videoed. He would have gone on and maybe becoming the first homosexual man on the moon, or the first homosexual owner of the hope diamond, or, most probably, committed suicide because of some other imagined life crisis.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 31, 2012 05:24 AM (qs9G3)

179 toby928 &

Posted by: m at March 31, 2012 05:38 AM (gk6B1)

180 "Tyler Clementi realized that Ravi's computer's webcam was on, so he pulled the plug on the computer." I thought video of Clementi having sex was posted to the Internet. If so, he didn't pull the plug soon enough, and Ravi did indeed invade his privacy. That's not to say Ravi should get 15 years for a stupid prank, but what he did was a bit more than just "attempted" invasion of privacy. If someone secretly videoed me in my home and posted it online, I would certainly consider it an invasion of privacy. Wouldn't anyone?

Posted by: sauropod at March 31, 2012 05:42 AM (iAkDQ)

181 At this point, it seems unlikely DR will face serious jail time. However, since he's now a convicted criminal I see nothing wrong with deporting him. His "crimes" are minor, but he's a major-league asshole. Sending him back to his native country seems like a more appropriate punishment than jail time.

Posted by: Jordan at March 31, 2012 08:42 AM (RSG1I)

182 Adam Carolla is amazingly stupid and ignorant.

Posted by: Random at March 31, 2012 01:32 PM (N/bQZ)

183 "I would honestly be shocked if the college allowed sexual activity in the dorm rooms." Maybe they should forbid masturbation too, in your world. Or do you think the college handbook should carve out an exemption allowing that? Serious question. If so, what about masturbating while texting, talking on the phone, or chatting online? What should the policy be?

Posted by: Random at March 31, 2012 01:40 PM (N/bQZ)

184 ÙA; &

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 02, 2012 09:37 AM (X3lox)

185 This kid was out; his older brother is gay too. His gayness had nothing to do with his risky behaviors and suicidal tendicies. If he was straight and this had been some girl he was seen kissing, it wouldn't have even been considered a prank, much less a crime. Everyone knew he was gay; he wasn't outed.

Posted by: strangelagrange at April 03, 2012 07:25 AM (hmgfc)

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