August 31, 2012

A Look Inside A Karl Rove Pitch Meeting For American Crossroads And Other Stuff
— DrewM

Some idiot rich guy invited a reporter to one of Karl Rove's fundraising meetings in Tampa. Nothing stupid was said (Rove and team are smart enough to know any meeting with more than two people is essentially public) but it's a really interesting look into the world of courting big money donors.

Rove explained that Crossroads had conducted extensive focus groups and shared polling and focus group data with “all the major groups that are playing” in the election. “As many of you know, one of the most important things about Crossroads is: We don’t try and do this alone. We have partners,” he said. “The Kochs—you name it.”

What had emerged from that data is an “acute understanding of the nature of those undecided, persuadable” voters. “If you say he’s a socialist, they’ll go to defend him. If you call him a ‘far out left-winger,’ they’ll say, ‘no, no, he’s not.’” The proper strategy, Rove declared, was criticizing Obama without really criticizing him—by reminding voters of what the president said that he was going to do and comparing it to what he’s actually done. “If you keep it focused on the facts and adopt a respectful tone, then they’re gonna agree with you.”

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Rove’s analysis of the Senate races was technical and masterly. The Republicans need four seats to gain a majority, and Rove said he feels “really good” about Nebraska and is optimistic about North Dakota, even though Democrats have a strong candidate in former state Attorney General Heidi Heitkamp. “We’re deeply engaged” there, Rove said. In Wisconsin, former Governor Tommy Thompson “has an excellent shot to win—he has a quirky, cross-party appeal.” Virginia is going to be tight and will likely mirror the way the state votes in the presidential race. Of those, Rove declared, “we can win three.”

In Connecticut, Rove noted that Linda McMahon, the former head of World Wrestling Entertainment, whom he had once written off, was running a “really smart campaign.” And the state, he noted, had moved more to the right. “Those affluent, socially liberal, economically conservative people in Fairfield County and the New York suburbs have finally figured out that their pocketbooks matter more than abortion.”

There are six Republican incumbents Rove identified as in jeopardy, but the biggest risk to Republican hopes of retaking the Senate is Todd Akin in Missouri, following his comments about “legitimate rape.” Rove urged every attendee to apply pressure on Akin to convince him to leave the race. “We have five people who are interested” in replacing Akin, Rove said. “We don’t care who the nominee is, other than get Akin out.”

Just from personal experience I think Rove is right about the tone of the campaign. I know we all want red meat all the time but we simply aren't the target audience. There has to be some hard hitting stuff but the few hundred thousand people Mitt needs in each of a handful of states don't react to it the same way we do.

If Mitt and team can keep the right combination of hard hitting, more in sadness than anger and personal revelation they struck in his speech last night, he'll do very well.

A couple of thoughts about last night:

-Romney was great. He's gotten so much better on the stump. I was pretty close to the stage for his speech to the American Legion on Wednesday and was shocked at how much better he was in person than on TV. Last night a lot of that came through.

-Eastwood was alternatively hilarious and horrifying. It would have been much more effective as a Night One event. It was simply out of place last night.

-The elderly couple and especially the woman who lost a daughter were fantastic character witnesses for Mitt. They need to be in ads, lots of ads pronto.

-Rubio was great as always. No one in politics today gives the "love letter to America" speech any better. He's going to be President some day. I just hope he leaves the Senate and does a term as Governor first. There's plenty of time for it.

-Whoever scheduled last night needs to be shot and then fired. The personal testimonials were fantastic but following them up with two generic politico types and then the Bain stuff (which was good, just not as good as the personal speeches) sucked the energy out of them and they were too distant from Romney's speech. Also, showing the bio video out of the network window in exchange for Eastwood was simply political malpractice.

Mitt was let down by his staff last night but much to my surprise, he bailed them out.

Today Romney is heading to New Orleans. Smart move to distance himself from Bush and beat Obama there. There was talk in Indianapolis he was going to go from the Legion speech to the Gulf Coast but I guess the storm was still raging there so it didn't work out. That would have been very aggressive programming.

Posted by: DrewM at 04:50 AM | Comments (428)
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1 O/T I heard Twitter took down the #InvisibleObama. It was getting so many followers, hehe. Seriously? Hyper-sensitive.... And, yea, O had to respond "this seats taken." What a chump boy.

Posted by: still laughing at August 31, 2012 04:53 AM (IPhbB)

2 I posted this in the thread down..

Mitt went late last night on purpose. What I hear is that internals are showing movement in west coast states and Mitt wanted to be in Prime Time on the left coast. That also left Clint as a very watchable time for them too.

Hence, the reason Clint had to ad lib the basics of his speech, time change (It was scripted already).

Oregon, Washington, Nevada, New Mexico, even California.. Make the JEF fight for the left coast. Farther from Washington, and more the JEF has to be seen and woo his lefty H'wood friends that the rest of us hate!
The Romney Campaign is good. Romney goes to the west and Ann and Ryan bag Michigan and Ohio...


The more time spent on the West coast jetting around on Air Force One campaigning... The better it is!


Posted by: catman at August 31, 2012 04:56 AM (NYdB8)

3 Going to NOLA gets you inside that OODA Loop.

I generally agree with where Rove is going, but don't look now...MO is competitive again.

Posted by: Zakn at August 31, 2012 04:56 AM (zyaZ1)

4 Barry is fucked. That is all.

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 04:56 AM (QupBk)

5 "Chair is taken" was the best Obama could zing back?  Gee Barry, back to the rubber chicken and comedy circuit of Appalachia for you.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 04:58 AM (X/+PP)

6 I generally agree with where Rove is going, but don't look now...MO is competitive again. Posted by: Zakn at August 31, 2012 09:56 AM (zyaZ1) America seems to be a big short attention span theater. I figured they would forget about it. It hurt Akin and he may not win because of it but that race is far from over.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 04:59 AM (9TTOe)

7 I heard Twitter took down the #InvisibleObama. It was getting so many followers, hehe.


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It's back.....

http://tinyurl.com/925uqxh

Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2012 04:59 AM (X6akg)

8 Well, Rasmussen has Romney up by a single point today. That is the bump. Wow, what a successful convention...

Posted by: toldyaso at August 31, 2012 04:59 AM (t8tck)

9 5 That reply didn't even make sense.

Posted by: nickless at August 31, 2012 04:59 AM (6WCpl)

10 What a catch-22. If Aiken truly is competitive then the money should come back to him so we can beat mccaskill. But if he's not competitive the only way to force him out is to withhold the funds. No matter what we do, we could be hurting ourselves until someone picks up the crystal ball from the shop to help us out.

Posted by: Bon Qui Qui at August 31, 2012 05:00 AM (MgTmD)

11 If you say he’s a socialist, they’ll go to defend him. If you call him a ‘far out left-winger,’ they’ll say, ‘no, no, he’s not.’” The proper strategy, Rove declared, was criticizing Obama without really criticizing him—by reminding voters of what the president said that he was going to do and comparing it to what he’s actually done. “If you keep it focused on the facts and adopt a respectful tone, then they’re gonna agree with you.” This is coming through, of course. Last night was cordial, to say the least. They will be able to contrast that with soundbites from the angry, petty, anxious dem convention. Hillary is not stupid for staying away from the circus show that is to come. As are many dems, evidently, that are staying clear. I wonder just how many "bands" and "artists" were busy when asked to participate?

Posted by: there will be chaos next week at August 31, 2012 05:00 AM (IPhbB)

12 It must be noted that Rasmussen has Average Joe sucks cock by choice up by 14 pts.

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 05:01 AM (QupBk)

13 @8 hi Greg the liar! Romney was -3 on Monday in Ras. Ras also changed his party ID from R+1 to D+1

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Head Of The Projection Desk at August 31, 2012 05:01 AM (yAor6)

14 I see over at RCP that Obama's average has finally dipped into the negatives. Hell yea.

Posted by: there will be chaos next week at August 31, 2012 05:01 AM (IPhbB)

15 And gerg's got nothin'.

Posted by: nickless at August 31, 2012 05:02 AM (6WCpl)

16 Agree completely that they should have traded the video for Clint.  That video was extremely well done.  I don't think Clint was going to move voters one way or the other.  But that video could have moved voters in. 

Posted by: SH at August 31, 2012 05:02 AM (gmeXX)

17 I wouldn't be surprised to see only a small "post-convention bounce" in the polls.  I suspect there are a lot fewer undecideds compared to the same point in time in 2008, so less room for movement in the short term. 

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 31, 2012 05:02 AM (ND7TC)

18 But, I think it is maybe time -- what do you think -- for maybe a businessman. How about that?

Posted by: Team Clint at August 31, 2012 05:02 AM (IPhbB)

19 Toby- Barry is fucked by people who use reason. However, the SCOAMT's supporters use emotion rather than reason. Best to adopt a strategy which will appeal to their blessed little hearts, such as the SCOAMT's betrayal of us via his betrayal of his promises.

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at August 31, 2012 05:03 AM (Sptt8)

20 I do believe after the conventions we'll still be at a tied race. the debates will decide this election.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Head Of The Projection Desk at August 31, 2012 05:03 AM (yAor6)

21 Claire McCaskill had a short window to kick Akin's ass she did not do it.  Soon his weathering this storm will be seen as Stoic, Faithful, Reliable, Patient.  The Abortion Thing (TM)  will be forgiven, if he is even now, Reince will (no matter what he says) will be quietly getting money there in the near future...

Posted by: catman at August 31, 2012 05:04 AM (YKUmW)

22 Just keep in mind that Rove has one client; Jeb Bush

Posted by: kbdabear at August 31, 2012 05:04 AM (wwsoB)

23 nickless,

It proves what Eastwood said.  Biden is the intellect of the Democrat Party - a smile with a body behind it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:04 AM (X/+PP)

24 Concerned concern trolls really have me concerned.  For their sanity.

Posted by: Adam at August 31, 2012 05:05 AM (/YJYi)

25 Rove urged every attendee to apply pressure on Akin to convince him to leave the race. “We have five people who are interested” in replacing Akin, Rove said. “We don’t care who the nominee is, other than get Akin out.” Isn't it too late for this?

Posted by: risky? at August 31, 2012 05:05 AM (IPhbB)

26 Agree completely with your take on last night. Eastwood was just bizarre- it was a jarring transition from the heartfelt testimonials. I think THEY should've been used to intro Romney, in fact. Rubio was good, but having regular people up there talking about the Mitt they know right before he speaks would've been very powerful.

Posted by: Chris at August 31, 2012 05:05 AM (gI9Bk)

27 Gee Barry, back to the rubber chicken and comedy circuit of Appalachia for you.

Like he'd be caught dead in a room full of snaggle-toothed cousin-humpers.  Lol.


Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish at August 31, 2012 05:05 AM (/kI1Q)

28 Just keep in mind that Rove has one client; Jeb Bush Posted by: kbdabear at August 31, 2012 10:04 AM (wwsoB) Yep, and I like RP better than Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 05:05 AM (9TTOe)

29

“If you keep it focused on the facts and adopt a respectful tone, then they’re gonna agree with you.”

 

FACTS! RESPECT! You EVIL GENIUS!

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 05:05 AM (9KqcB)

30

Drew, I don't agree about the programming.  If the casual viewer tuning in at 10:00 or 9/8/7 had seen another boring hagiogarphy film, they would have turned it off.  Instead they saw Clint Eastwood!  It was bizarre, but in a goofy way it was also riveting.  I bet it kept many, many eyes on the TV that wouldn't have been there.  The bad thing was they let him go unscripted.  If he had thrown an F-bomb or something it would have been Game Over.

 

The testimonials were where they were so the media people in the hall would see them.  I dare any of these assholes to keep writing that Mitt Romney is an uncaring corporate greedhead.

Posted by: rockmom at August 31, 2012 05:06 AM (qe2/V)

31 Another looming sign of trouble for Romney is that Rasmussen just has Obama's number going down by a few pts. Romney is stuck at 45%. The convention did not move his total up at all.

Posted by: toldyaso at August 31, 2012 05:06 AM (Jk+oU)

32 Gee Barry, back to the rubber chicken and comedy circuit of Appalachia for you. Like he'd be caught dead in a room full of snaggle-toothed cousin-humpers. Lol. Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish™ at August 31, 2012 10:05 AM (/kI1Q) Hey, that's snaggle-tooth, bible thumping, gun toting counsin humpers to you young lady.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 05:07 AM (9TTOe)

33 What had emerged from that data is an “acute understanding of the nature of those undecided, persuadable” voters.


Karl Rove is full of shit. Everybody credits him with being a campaign genius.  The only genius involved in the two Bush campaign was that he was running against ClintonII  Mr Boring and horseface Kerry.  Two people who were  virtually unelectable and he still almost lost the first one.


Yes Rove wants a mild milquetoast "moderate" candidate for those virtually non-existent flip-flopping independents. That is because he a a neocon moderate milquetoast asshole himself.


I blame him for the unanswered attacks against Bush which virtually elected asshole Obama.


In short, fk hm and his horse.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 05:07 AM (YdQQY)

34 Joe, your boyfriend's going down in November like it was a Man'sCountry Saturday night.

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 05:07 AM (QupBk)

35 I want the Bush family permanently out of Republican politics.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 05:08 AM (8gs37)

36 Heather he might not want to be caught in such a  room.  But when a comic's game is not up to snuff for the likes of Leno and the Catskills, where else is there?  Well besides living on the boat with Mr. Tidy Bowl.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:08 AM (X/+PP)

37 Milk!

Posted by: nickless at August 31, 2012 05:08 AM (6WCpl)

38 I want the Bush family permanently out of Republican politics. Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 10:08 AM (8gs37) It would be easier to get the stink permanently out of shit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 05:09 AM (9TTOe)

39 As for Rasmussen his polls have been funky this entire year.  I do not trust him this year as it appears there is something going on.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 05:09 AM (YdQQY)

40 Too late to get Akin out. We have already moved on. This is about much more than Akin. I really think he can beat McCaskill. It is imperative, though, that the rest of the state not submit results until after St. Louis City and Kansas City. When they do, the city workers just go out and get the required number of ballots out of their trunks and ta da! They perpetuate their servitude.

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at August 31, 2012 05:09 AM (Sptt8)

41 Oldsailor or have the Kennedys give up being sexual predators?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:10 AM (X/+PP)

42 As long as Akin's still in the race, he's a problem for Republicans up and down the ticket. Democrats are robocalling tough races and cutting slick ads like this one which will probably go viral. He has to get out. http://youtu.be/KtzqvqzBdUQ

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 05:10 AM (i0vBR)

43 That reply didn't even make sense. Posted by: nickless at August 31, 2012 09:59 AM (6WCpl) == evidently he posted a pic of him in the POTUS chair

Posted by: what a kneejerk O'dipshit, he is at August 31, 2012 05:10 AM (IPhbB)

44 Akin is a non-issue outside of MO and I say he will win in MO as well.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 05:10 AM (YdQQY)

45 Any Republican besides Akin will win that seat, but Akin has no chance. He has until Sept. 25 to quit.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 05:11 AM (i0vBR)

46 Isn't it too late for this?

Posted by: risky? at August 31, 2012 10:05 AM (IPhbB)

 

I think it can be done, but Aiken has to be convinced to ask a judge to remove his name from the ballot.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 05:11 AM (9KqcB)

47 Obama acting stupidly with the his comeback proves Eastwood's point.  Barry is not performing the job so time to downsize him.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:11 AM (X/+PP)

48 Oldsailor or have the Kennedys give up being sexual predators? Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 10:10 AM (X/+PP) Are there any male Kennedys left that are sober enough to screw?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 05:12 AM (9TTOe)

49 @30.  That is a fair point,  though I'm sure it can be supported or disputed.  If Clint brought in some ratings to help see Rubio, that's probably a net plus.  Let's see what the ratings are.  I'll doubt they will be overwhelming.

Posted by: SH at August 31, 2012 05:12 AM (gmeXX)

50 In this wave election if you ran a turd in MO it would win as long as it did not have a D after its name.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 05:12 AM (YdQQY)

51 Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 10:07 AM (YdQQY)

How much money have you raised to beat the hell out of Democrats across the country over the last three years?

Trust me, it ain't bloggers moving the needle in dozens of races around the country.

Posted by: DrewM. at August 31, 2012 05:12 AM (YqXne)

52 Have you noticed that our creepy Billionaire is cooler than their creepy Billionaire?  Our owns a Casino like a Bond Villain theirs pets a shaved cat like Dr. Evil...

http://tinyurl.com/9px7kq2

http://tinyurl.com/9f2sdj3

Posted by: catman at August 31, 2012 05:12 AM (NYdB8)

53 Morning all. So I guess Eastwood is now permanently persona non grata in libbywood.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 05:12 AM (j1gX1)

54 Sick assholes on Twitter come out of the woodwork;

Media silent as liberals on Twitter call for Ann Romney's death

http://tinyurl.com/8uuwczn


Posted by: kbdabear at August 31, 2012 05:13 AM (wwsoB)

55 22 Just keep in mind that Rove has one client; Jeb Bush Posted by: kbdabear at August 31, 2012 10:04 AM (wwsoB) ======== Yea, I wonder if Rove was trying to dissuade Romney of Ryan on the ticket.

Posted by: don't trust rove at August 31, 2012 05:13 AM (IPhbB)

56 Sober?  Well that does disqualify the whole lot of them.  Unless Taylor Swift's Kennedy BF is staying sober.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:13 AM (X/+PP)

57 So I guess Eastwood is now permanently persona non grata in libbywood. No doubt he's crying all the way to the bank.

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 05:13 AM (QupBk)

58 I doubt if Karl has raised a lot of money for local candidates either. Palin has done a better job of that. 


And as I said, he isn't worth a shit as a campaign adviser.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 05:13 AM (YdQQY)

59

“If you say he’s a socialist, they’ll go to defend him. If you call him a ‘far out left-winger,’ they’ll say, ‘no, no, he’s not.’” The proper strategy, Rove declared, was criticizing Obama without really criticizing him—by reminding voters of what the president said that he was going to do and comparing it to what he’s actually done.

 

As much as this annoys me I have to agree. I think the issue is that a lot of these dullards who voted for him don't want to be associated with the words "socialism" or "far left wing". They aren't necessarly defending Obama, they're defending themselves. If you say that Obama is a socialist then you are saying that the people who voted for him voted for socialism. The better tactic is to convince these people that they were fooled. Of course it's stupid but we are not dealing with deep thinkers here.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at August 31, 2012 05:14 AM (JxMoP)

60 A stellar businessman. Quote, unquote, "a stellar businessman.'' And I think it's that time. And I think if you just step aside and Mr. Romney can kind of take over. You can maybe still use a plane. Though maybe a smaller one. Not that big gas guzzler you are going around to colleges and talking about student loans and stuff like that.

Posted by: Team Clint at August 31, 2012 05:15 AM (IPhbB)

61 Sober? Well that does disqualify the whole lot of them. Unless Taylor Swift's Kennedy BF is staying sober. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 10:13 AM (X/+PP) TAYLOR IS STILL A VIRGIN ISN'T SHE? WELL, ISN'T SHE?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 05:15 AM (9TTOe)

62 Last night was like a emotional rollercoaster. I went from being bored to crying to being bored again to uplifted to WTF Clint and laughing to standing up clapping. I'm exhausted today.

Posted by: DangerGirl at August 31, 2012 05:16 AM (DHBCd)

63 toldyaso,

You have to wait three days  after the convention to see what the bounce is you fucking mindless shitfaced dickweed.

Posted by: Dufuq Izthis at August 31, 2012 05:16 AM (+AV7H)

64

I hope  that this election becomes a mandate. I like the effect the Tea Party has had on the GOP. This was so much  better that the McLame convention's  defensiveness and capitulation, "You have nothing to fear  from an  Obama presidency..."

 

Spit.

 

And damn, it's nice to be  treated like an   intelligent adult for once.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 31, 2012 05:16 AM (d0Tfm)

65

I want the Bush family permanently out of Republican politics.

 

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 10:08 AM (8gs37)

 

Part of it is our fault. When W was in, all we cared about was 9/11 and defending the Iraq war. No one make small government a priority. He launched massive entitlement and education spending plans and we showed blind support. The liberals hated him so we loved him.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 05:16 AM (9KqcB)

66 Has Obama gone anywhere near Isaac yet? Or is he still running short of cash?

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at August 31, 2012 05:16 AM (ze9yk)

67 Clint's line about the gas guzzling plane sure would have been better if he had switched the "climate change"  for "student loan."  But point taken.

Posted by: SH at August 31, 2012 05:16 AM (gmeXX)

68 But when a comic's game is not up to snuff for the likes of Leno and the Catskills, where else is there?

He's black, right? Chicago, New York, Philly.

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish at August 31, 2012 05:16 AM (/kI1Q)

69 Romney and Ryan, live now, leaving FL.

Posted by: Team Clint at August 31, 2012 05:17 AM (IPhbB)

70 @64  I would settle for being just a cheap hooker.. at least there is money on the nightstand after the deed is done..

Posted by: catman at August 31, 2012 05:18 AM (NYdB8)

71 Oldsailor I don't follow media stars that much.  Only reason I even know Taylor is hanging with a Kennedy is because I found she had bought a 'modest' house close to the Kennedy compound.  And the article let slip how bad the rich housing market is, how about a $13mil house going for less than $6mil.  That is all Swift paid for it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:18 AM (X/+PP)

72 Paul Ryan speaking in Florida right now. So much energy!

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at August 31, 2012 05:19 AM (caAEA)

73 The Bush's are not the issue. Let's not fall into a Democratic trap here. You all want a little blood letting, OK, but after Nov 6th

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 05:19 AM (j1gX1)

74 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 10:18 AM (X/+PP) She's a really smart kid. I hope she is not corrupted by the libs.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 05:19 AM (9TTOe)

75 Whether Aiken is still electable or not is beside the point, which is, do we really need another proven idiot Republican?

Aren't Miss Grahamnesty and her boyfriend McLame enough? Majorities held on to by morons (in the bad sense) don't stay majorities for long.

I'd like to see the party continue to pressure Aiken to get lost. Almost any of the other MO contenders would be preferable.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 05:20 AM (+XVQe)

76 She's a really smart kid. I hope she is not corrupted by the libs. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 10:19 AM (9TTOe) To late

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 05:20 AM (j1gX1)

77 I watched Clint Eastwood last night. 100% off the cuff. Just a conversation with America. Those who pissed and moaned about it are just fucking full of shit. Clint Eastwood fer chrissakes. The Leftards are fucking pissed.

Posted by: maddogg at August 31, 2012 05:20 AM (OlN4e)

78 Vic & Drew- Money without grassroots doesn't win elections, grassroots without money doesn't win elections. Blogs are a key element in the alternative flows of information that feed the roots- kind of like fertilizer (?BS).  Not just big blogs like AOSHQ, but thousands of little 5 reader blogs.  Sprinkle in some effective big money in key spots and the lawn flourishes, no?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 31, 2012 05:20 AM (ND7TC)

79

Agree completely with your take on last night. Eastwood was just bizarre- it was a jarring transition from the heartfelt testimonials. I think THEY should've been used to intro Romney, in fact. Rubio was good, but having regular people up there talking about the Mitt they know right before he speaks would've been very powerful. <<<<<

 

TEMPO.

 

Eastwood is a crowd pleaser.  He warmed the audience up and heightened the anticipation for the penultimate event - Romney's acceptance speech.

 

The themes Eastwood spoke about  segued  seamlessly into the heart of Romney's appeal to the nation:  success is good, this guy is a failure, America is great and we don't need to apologize for it,  we need to celebrate it.

 

Drew's problem is that he is more comfortable (and more competent) talking about policy.  Last night had nothing to do with policy.  It had to do with emotion.  It was about setting the tone and broader themes of the election.

 

No, Eastwood's performance wasn't perfect.  It was unscripted and on live TV, starring an 82 year old man.  What  it was,  was good enough.

 

He had many quotable  sound-bites.  That's what's going to get played.


 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 31, 2012 05:20 AM (OMx3O)

80

"He launched massive entitlement and education spending plans and we showed blind support."

What do you mean, "we", kemosabe?

Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 31, 2012 05:21 AM (nZvGM)

81 I watched Clint Eastwood last night. 100%off the cuff.Just a conversation with America. Those who pissed and moaned about it are just fucking full of shit. Clint Eastwood fer chrissakes. The Leftards are fucking pissed. Posted by: maddogg at August 31, 2012 10:20 AM (OlN4e) Yup, they are besides themselves

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 05:21 AM (j1gX1)

82 I accidentally listened to the PBS panel after the early speeches last night. David Brooks was drooling about "campaign malpractice" by not  having those  regular  people in ads for the past year. That  comment  alone  explains why he was there  sitting next to Gwen Awful on the panel.

Posted by: Roy at August 31, 2012 05:21 AM (VndSC)

83 53 Morning all. So I guess Eastwood is now permanently persona non grata in libbywood.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 10:12 AM (j1gX1)

Nah, he was smart enough to become famous and sought-after before folks found out that he was conservative.

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at August 31, 2012 05:22 AM (ze9yk)

84 He had many quotable sound-bites. That's what's going to get played. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 31, 2012 10:20 AM (OMx3O) And he intimated what normal politicians can't say in public: obama is a nasty prick

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 05:22 AM (j1gX1)

85 I disagree with the Eastwood meme here. As Ace put it last night, he made it okay to mock Obama. A mean-spirited empty chair ... could there be a better metaphor?

Posted by: MaxMBJ at August 31, 2012 05:22 AM (lOlyY)

86 “If you say he’s a socialist, they’ll go to defend him. If you call him a ‘far out left-winger,’ they’ll say, ‘no, no, he’s not.’ I understand the term "delusional voter" now.

Posted by: cajun carrot at August 31, 2012 05:22 AM (UZQM8)

87

I think the issue is that a lot of these dullards who voted for him don't want to be associated with the words "socialism" or "far left wing". They aren't necessarly defending Obama, they're defending themselves. If you say that Obama is a socialist then you are saying that the people who voted for him voted for socialism.

 

That's true, and most "moderates" have a negative opinion of socialism. That's necessary to point out because 56% of Democrats have a possitive view of socialism, according to Gallup. They are in the minority in that.

 

Democrats want to turn the U.S. into a European style socialist democracy. They want to make us France. That's clear. We need to make them own it. Make that the choice going forward.  We need to put a price tag on what it will take to get those 15 weeks of paid vacation, etc. like they have in France, and put it to the voters.

 

Because liberals have succeeded in slowly turning U.S. into Europe via the piecemeal approach. It's hard to win those battles, but easier to win the war if we make it about the big picture.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 05:22 AM (9KqcB)

88 yikes...taylor is not a virgin....i think she is in the mold of america's sweetheart dorris day.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 at August 31, 2012 05:22 AM (Ho2rs)

89 Clint was a hook. He would have drawn people into watching. And, he brought a welcomed comic relief. There are those of the "Kardashian Presidency" that will watch Clint and pause... His opinion is respected. As I said earlier, his one-liners were gems that can be dripped out in ads until election day. Coupled with any number of other content items.

Posted by: Team Clint at August 31, 2012 05:23 AM (IPhbB)

90 1. Fuck Rove 2. Clint was great - fuck the MSM 3. #8 you obviously don't know how tracking polls work so STFU

Posted by: Honey Badger at August 31, 2012 05:23 AM (qBtUE)

91 1 Still laughing,

"I will not be watching the RNC,, but I encourage you to."

//Barry Choom

"Barack Obama here in this empty chair I have a few questions...."

//Clint Eastwood

35 minutes later

"I am too relevant and I am IN this chair!"

//Barry Choom

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 05:23 AM (LRFds)

92 O/T I was reading over at Insty's place about a Democratic stronghold city where the door knockers for encouraging Democrats to GOTV found 66% of those people registered were no longer at the listed address, and many of the homes were in foreclosure. So I ask the Moron herd, is there a chance that evicted, or foreclosed Democrats may have forgotten to change their address, or re-register in high enough numbers to hurt the JEF?

Posted by: VIA, on the tiny keyboard at August 31, 2012 05:23 AM (nO2vw)

93 I can understand totally why a lot of left leaning people "just didn't get it" with Clint's speech.

Posted by: Roy at August 31, 2012 05:23 AM (VndSC)

94 Nah, he was smart enough to become famous and sought-after before folks found out that he was conservative. Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at August 31, 2012 10:22 AM (ze9yk) Maybe, but now he is directly attacking their messiah and even making fun of him. Naughty Naughty Naughty

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 05:23 AM (j1gX1)

95 Rove is right on this kind of campaign strategy.  It treats the voters as, well, intelligent folks who are worried and who want to figure a way out.  As opposed to all the screaming negative attack type ads that treat every voter as an idiot.

Remember when Volkswagen of America was trying to get a foothold in the US market?  They asked a bunch of ad agencies to pitch their ideas to the company on how to market the Beetle.  The only company that treated the buyer as intelligent was Doyle, Dane, and Bernbach[DDB].  I bet many here still remember the Beetle ad that said 'Lemon.'  It was brutal and honest on why that one Beetle did not meet standards while explaining what VW's standards of quality were.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:23 AM (X/+PP)

96 I thought Clint's speech was a good move. It showed how confident Romney was to take such a huge gamble. It played off very well. This guy keeps surprising me. I never would have expected this during the primaries.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at August 31, 2012 05:23 AM (caAEA)

97 The proper strategy, Rove declared, was criticizing Obama without really criticizing him—by reminding voters of what the president said that he was going to do and comparing it to what he’s actually done. “If you keep it focused on the facts and adopt a respectful tone, then they’re gonna agree with you.”[\i] And by doing it this way and presuming Mitt wins (heed the words of Winston Wolf), it will make the MSM look silly if they try to explain the vote as a "hissy fit" like they did in '96.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at August 31, 2012 05:24 AM (XFYiQ)

98 8 Tard Ya Sow,

We'll chat tomorrow, and hey even that is on ground innately more beneficial come what may for your Choom King....

Clint Eastwood reminded King Putt that even "gods" can bleed....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 05:25 AM (LRFds)

99 And as I said, he isn't worth a shit as a campaign adviser. Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 10:13 AM (YdQQY) ========= As much as I dislike Rove, he and his pacs are raising a crapload of money. And, most of the money goes to local elections.

Posted by: Team Clint at August 31, 2012 05:25 AM (IPhbB)

100

89

Clint was a hook.

He would have drawn people into watching

 

 

It worked. How many   more  people saw Rubio and Romney than if he wasn't ther?

Posted by: Roy at August 31, 2012 05:25 AM (VndSC)

101 Rove is right. Excuse teh stupids for voting for Zero, nudge them over with empathy, and win. After, we can proclaim him with trumpets as the communist motherfucker narcissist we all know him to be, and then, as a sad has-been. The asshole formerly known as POTUS.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 31, 2012 05:25 AM (PH+2B)

102 Rove declared, was criticizing Obama without really criticizing him—by reminding voters of what the president said that he was going to do and comparing it to what he’s actually done. See, to me that's the harshest criticism of all - you said you would do X and you did not do it. Then again, I'm not a malignant narcissist (despite all evidence to the contrary) and would take such statements to heart.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD - pondering a Ryan Reprieve at August 31, 2012 05:25 AM (VtjlW)

103 74 The Bush's are not the issue. Let's not fall into a Democratic trap here. You all want a little blood letting, OK, but after Nov 6th.

No, the Bushes are precisely the issue, and why O'Loser isn't in double-digit freefall. Real people are waiting for the GOP to repudiate his big spending, his massive expansion of government, and his stupid, expensive wars that tied us long-term to the corrupt Karzai (instead of overthrowing the Taliban and getting out) and eliminated the only effective balancer to Iran (Saddam).

Hell, W should be tarred and feathered for the TSA alone.

The Republican establishment has never repudiated the Bush legacy. Can't have criticism of one of their own. So the parties reputation continues to be tarnished and most voters will go to the polls holding their noses.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 05:26 AM (+XVQe)

104 They aren't necessarly defending Obama, they're defending themselves. If you say that Obama is a socialist then you are saying that the people who voted for him voted for socialism. Good point. It's like a personal attack.

Posted by: Team Clint at August 31, 2012 05:26 AM (IPhbB)

105 You have to wait three days after the convention to see what the bounce is you fucking mindless shitfaced dickweed.

Posted by: Dufuq Izthis at August 31, 2012 10:16 AM (+AV7H)

 

I like this comment because it starts off    factual and respectful, and then turns    around and thrusts a shiv deep into toldyaso's     ego.    It's poetry.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 05:27 AM (4df7R)

106 Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 10:26 AM (+XVQe) Your fighting the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 05:27 AM (j1gX1)

107 I don't think Romney has a hell of a lot to do with Rove. Yeah, Rove has his pac but I assume he gets some sort of fee or kickbacks for running it. Romney seems to have privatly distance himself from the Texans. I think that's a good move.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 05:27 AM (9TTOe)

108 So I ask the Moron herd, is there a chance that evicted, or foreclosed Democrats may have forgotten to change their address, or re-register in high enough numbers to hurt the JEF?

Wisconsin has same-day voter registration; if they wish to vote they'll register and vote using their new address Nov 6.  (http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/voters/registration-voting)

And the Democrats now have a list of names in Milwaukee they can cast ballots under on Nov 6, to make up enough votes to win.

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish at August 31, 2012 05:28 AM (/kI1Q)

109 Funny, I agree with Rove, yet disagree.  He discusses the big Senate races accurately enough, but then misses a key point.  "We have 6 Republican incumbents in jeopardy"  That is nonsensical, we are only defending 7 Republican seats.  The other 22 are being defended by Dems.

I think he is making the same mistake a lot of folks do.  He is looking at each race, then forgetting to calculate the cumulative probability.

"I need to win 1 race out of two and am 50/50 in both races.  Therefore my chances are 50/50."  Wrong, your chances are 75%.

When you add up all those "less than 50% races", you end up at 94.9% chance of winning.

It might be because he got so burned in 2006.  The Dems had to sweep all the races, and they did.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 31, 2012 05:28 AM (32do8)

110

And as I said, he isn't worth a shit as a campaign adviser.
Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 10:13 AM (YdQQY)

 

He got his man elected president, twice. He's a great campaign advisor. He's a shitty conservative.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 05:28 AM (9KqcB)

111 I gotta say, even when I agree with Rove, I hate the guy. I think it began with his disdain for Palin. It really kicked in during te primaries when he was so pro-Romney and anti everybody else that I wanted to puke Avery time I saw his ugly head and obnoxious whiteboard bit which he stole in toto from Tim Russert. He's on our team but that doesn't mean I gotta like him. Plus he's dead wrong on Akin. Akin will win in a walk. They replace him now and who knows?

Posted by: MaxMBJ at August 31, 2012 05:28 AM (lOlyY)

112 After 8 years of mcchimpie bush hitler the MSM can just go fuck themselves along with all the bed wetting hand wringing people on our side. They can dish it out but can't take it. No damn apologies for Clint. Screw them. We should own this and shove it up their ass sideways.

Posted by: Honey Badger at August 31, 2012 05:29 AM (0MVzQ)

113 But, but, the Dems will have *Eva Longoria*, who is quite cute and quite unemployed at the moment. So there.

Posted by: UGAdawg at August 31, 2012 05:29 AM (NAlbk)

114 106: Seconded.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at August 31, 2012 05:29 AM (caAEA)

115 See, to me that's the harshest criticism of all - you said you would do X and you did not do it.

We're not angry, but we are disappointed.

Posted by: Your Parents, Crushing Your Psyche at August 31, 2012 05:30 AM (/kI1Q)

116

For most of the folks out there in middle America that pay scant attention to things political, the prime time Eastwood presentation probably got a couple of yucks and "gosh, he's gotten old", and that's about it.  No needle movement.

 

To mopes like me who watched most of the coverage I would agree that the staff bungled it from a purely presentation perspective.  I think his staff is terrible, bush league, group think pedestrians.  

 

Posted by: Regrettable Inc. at August 31, 2012 05:30 AM (XrGnJ)

117 But, but, the Dems will have *Eva Longoria*, who is quite cute and quite unemployed at the moment. So there. Posted by: UGAdawg at August 31, 2012 10:29 AM (NAlbk) I thought her new job was fluffer for the NBA?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 05:30 AM (9TTOe)

118 "105 You have to wait three days after the convention to see what the bounce is you fucking mindless shitfaced dickweed. Posted by: Dufuq Izthis at August 31, 2012 10:16 AM (+AV7H) I like this comment because it starts off factual and respectful, and then turns around and thrusts a shiv deep into toldyaso's ego. It's poetry." I agree. The ending tied it all together.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at August 31, 2012 05:31 AM (lOlyY)

119 Bounces are only significant in catching value in a quickly changing market like stocks or commodities.

I think that convention bounces like a lot of polling, are media generated and promoted for their benefit, and otherwise have the significance of random squirrel sightings.

Posted by: ontherocks at August 31, 2012 05:31 AM (aZ6ew)

120 (XrGnJ), dang we need a better quality of troll.  How many times have we already heard 'no needle movement' this morning?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:31 AM (X/+PP)

121 (Rove and team are smart enough to know any meeting with more than two people one person is essentially public)

Posted by: Jean at August 31, 2012 05:31 AM (uxW8g)

122

Rove urged every attendee to apply pressure on Akin to convince him to leave the race. “We have five people who are interested” in replacing Akin, Rove said. “We don’t care who the nominee is, other than get Akin out.”

Isn't it too late for this?

 

 

Nope, as mentioned above, the deadline is Sept. 25, but the word is that it's way tougher than simply dropping out would've been.  The protocol (and someone from Mo. please correct me if I'm wrong) is that a panel of "judges" from BOTH parties have to okay it.  Like the dem cong would ever agree to let him off?

 

 

And as far as Tokyo Rove saying he doesn't care who it is, I'd bet he'd do anything to sabotage Sarah Steelman from being the replacement as she's Palin's pick.  Steelman uncovered state ag payoffs from a staffer to his former mistress and put the screws to it when she was in charge of the state's checkbook.  She also came out in the aftermath of Katrina advocating add'l gas refineries be built, esp. in the center of the country, which is quite refreshing to hear in this day and age..   

Posted by: RushBabe at August 31, 2012 05:32 AM (tQHzJ)

123 120 AP,

"The needle stopped moving up and down and is just getting slower Barry..."

//Joey Plugz

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 05:32 AM (LRFds)

124 "Well, Rasmussen has Romney up by a single point today. That is the bump. Wow, what a successful convention...

Another looming sign of trouble for Romney is that Rasmussen just has Obama's number going down by a few pts. Romney is stuck at 45%. The convention did not move his total up at all."

Tardyouso, you vacuous moronic turd. The convention ended late last night yesterday. Do you think there are magical poll elves that can somehow create polls that fully take into account events that happen less than 10 hours before the polls are published?

You are either willfully stupid or calculatedly a dunce.

Either way, you suck and waste precious electrons that one of the horde could be filling with wit, insight, intellect, or dah funneh.

Now f*ck off, or it's no graham cracker before your nap, and no spork privileges for a month.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 31, 2012 05:32 AM (ksERZ)

125 yes.....barack wasted his opportunity to do something for America, instead he worked against her....and hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

Posted by: phoenixgirl, team dagny, ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 at August 31, 2012 05:32 AM (Ho2rs)

126 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 10:27 AM

Bullshit. The a majority of Americans hate the GOP brand and it's mostly due to W.

Have you forgotten 2006 and 2008 so soon? 2010 happened because they hate Hussein even more. Look at Congress' unfavorables.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 05:32 AM (+XVQe)

127 Hehe, Romney just said: I'm not going to tell you to vote early and vote often, like the others might say...

Posted by: GOTV honestly at August 31, 2012 05:33 AM (IPhbB)

128 Dave in Fla, he is just giving the polite version of the Winston Wolfe speech regarding those six 'Pub Senate races.

Posted by: Jean at August 31, 2012 05:33 AM (uxW8g)

129 Sven, the needle in that case is the Ca$h Gauge bouncing on E because Barry has been spending faster than donations have come in.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:33 AM (X/+PP)

130

The Republican establishment has never repudiated the Bush legacy.

 

The establishment and the Bushes are the same. Don't expect them to repudiate themselves. The Tea Party movement was a repudiation. There are still plenty of members in Congress who were part of the Bush era spending. They can repudiate themselves either. As long as they stay in line today, I don't need them hanged in the town square.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 05:33 AM (9KqcB)

131 The can NOT repudiate themselves either.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 05:34 AM (9KqcB)

132 The Republican establishment has never repudiated the Bush legacy

Thats not going to happen for a while for the same reasons listed in later posts.

They aren't necessarly defending Obama, they're defending themselves. If you say that Obama is a socialist then you are saying that the people who voted for him voted for socialism.

Tea Party my friend, Tea Party. Let's go to work my friend.

Posted by: Zakn at August 31, 2012 05:34 AM (zyaZ1)

133 He got his man elected president, twice. He's a great campaign advisor. He's a shitty conservative.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 10:28 AM (9KqcB)


You missed my first post evidently.  He didn't get Bush elected.  The Democrats did running unelectable candidates. He almost got one of them elected too.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 05:34 AM (YdQQY)

134

111 -

 

Missourians are stubborn.  Yes, they're mad at McCaskill for voting for Obamacare, but what really steams people is her disregard for them, as evidenced by her private plane fiasco.  It will be hard for her to win, but it's not like people across the state are going to forget what a nitwit Akin is.  We still haven't  seen  any of the really dumb things he says ALL THE TIME released.

 

He won't win.  Unless McCaskill does something even stupider between now and then, and frankly, she's not that stupid.  A disingenuous lying sackweasel, sure, but not stupid. 

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2012 05:35 AM (TOk1P)

135 Look, Drew, you know how the campaign should be run, Karl-Fucking-Rove knows how the campaign should be run, every co9mmenter here, at Tepid Air and every other friggin' website knows how the campaign should be run. I know how the campaign should be run, for chrissakes.

You wanna play nice? Do the "the Choomer-in-Chief is a nice guy, but he needs to try harder" shit?

Fine. Lose the election.

Even if Mutt Romney wants to be America's Kindly Father, he will need some attack dogs working the room before he comes in all inspirational. Sadly, this has largely been Bark Obama's way, and it has a better-than-even chance of working, especially when you factor in white guilt and knee-jerk liberalism.

What the campaign has to do is get the damned truth out, by all means available. If that hurts the feelings of the fucking traitor in the White House, so be it.

Remember: Karl Rove is looking forward to being hired after the election. It's his fucking JOB. To him, politics is business.

To us, it's personal.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 31, 2012 05:35 AM (wZI4b)

136 126 Arms Merchant,

in between selling limb you may want to talk to this guy....

@2010

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 05:35 AM (LRFds)

137 We're not angry, but we are disappointed. Posted by: Your Parents, Crushing Your Psyche at August 31, 2012 10:30 AM (/kI1Q) *curls up under desk in wee ball* Ohhhhh, PVPE Ryan needs to say something like that about Obama. All with the Sad Parent Eyes and Headshake Of Woe. I bet the JEF would chainsmoke a pack in five minutes after that. Mouse update: it got into my tea. My. Tea. It's on like Donkey Kong.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD - pondering a Ryan Reprieve at August 31, 2012 05:35 AM (VtjlW)

138

@59-..."They aren't necessarly defending Obama, they're defending themselves."

 

*********

Exactly- they want permission in their own mind to pull the (R) lever on Nov 6.  I think on Nov 7 there will be a lot of people telling their friends they voted for Obama (when they did the opposite once the curtain was closed), and can't understand why Romney/Ryan won.  Look for a discrepancy between exit polls and actual results of 3 to 7 points.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 31, 2012 05:35 AM (ND7TC)

139 "Well, Rasmussen has Romney up by a single point today. That is the bump. Wow, what a successful convention..."

Normally I ignore you, dipshit.  However, you confirmed what I was hoping to see.  Rasmussen's 3 day average currently factors in on the 1st night of the convention.  Ryan's speech isn't in the mix yet.

I'm expecting to see about a 3 or 4 point bounce out of this convention.  The group of undecideds is just too small to get a big bounce from a single event.  The first night with Christie is good for a single point, and that is what is being tracked.  Rasmussen should go up 2 or 3 more in the next two days.

This number will start to move in larger numbers as the eventual whittling of Obama supports start switching to Romney, especially if the DNC goes Wellstone Memorial.  The ad campaign will make a big difference.

The debates will finish it, people will make their final decision there.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 31, 2012 05:35 AM (32do8)

140 @126 "Bullshit. The a majority of Americans hate the GOP brand and it's mostly due to W."

The majority. As in over 50%. Like 51% or more. I'm skeptical of this assertion.

Willing to buy your premise, just provide a link of the survey/poll affirming same.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 31, 2012 05:36 AM (ksERZ)

141 The Convention was some of the weakest-ass shit I've ever seen in my life. The only possible exception was Ryan's speech. They spent criminally small amounts of time talking about the massive economic catastrophe that we are in. This should have been talked about in every single speech in tones of outrage. I thought the Romney speech was poorly delivered, but maybe I'm in the minority. In any case, he did not step into the commander-in-chief role (no mention of Afghanistan? seriously?) and did not give people much hope he would do anything better. His speech was basically: I'm more authentically American, so vote for me.

Posted by: Reality Check at August 31, 2012 05:36 AM (hvzWz)

142 . The a majority of Americans hate the GOP brand and it's mostly due to W. Have you forgotten 2006 and 2008 so soon? 2010 happened because they hate Hussein even more. Look at Congress' unfavorables. Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 10:32 AM (+XVQe) I don't believe the "majority" of the people hate the GOP brand. And I have no intention of fighting past fights that does nothing by help the left stay in power. You want to do that, be mu guest

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 05:36 AM (j1gX1)

143 Hey look the Cheque bounced in.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:37 AM (X/+PP)

144

Anyone else on Twitter last night during the speeches?

 

@ezraklein "Doesn't it say something about the President's performance when the best you felt about him was the day you voted for him?" Devastating.

 

That line, and the one about helping you and your family vs. healing the planet, were like kryptonite to the Obamabots.  They know both of them are true.  They sold us a pile of Hope and Change and delivered an incompetent asshole.

 

Last night told Americans they have a fraud and a failure in the White House, and a man on the way who has never failed at anything.

Posted by: rockmom at August 31, 2012 05:37 AM (qe2/V)

145 129 AP,

that AND his favorability rating....

people are not voting for their next door neighbor they're voting for a turn around investment manager...

Romney's got this...

so much I am giving to his victory fund so he can spread some love where he thinks it's needed.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 05:38 AM (LRFds)

146 You know what Barry has done well, rehabilitated W's image. 

Posted by: Jean at August 31, 2012 05:38 AM (uxW8g)

147 If Rove was so fucking smart he would do something about his sinuses. Seriously, Karl, blow your nose before going on TV and then make an appointment to see an ENT.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 31, 2012 05:38 AM (nZvGM)

148 My take on this "meeting" is Karl Rove is trying to stay relevant.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 05:38 AM (YdQQY)

149 Jean, Obama has rehabilitated the image of Carter.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:39 AM (X/+PP)

150 144 Rockmom,

preciesly....MSNBC even gets it which is why they wnet full JAr jar about "ended the rising of the seas"....

really so Mr. Madcow you are truly saying that barry Choom was discussing "subway defense intiatives for 2155?"

They're done, and the long con democrats know it...


Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 05:39 AM (LRFds)

151 -Eastwood was alternatively hilarious and horrifying. It would have been much more effective as a Night One event. It was simply out of place last night.

You are correct about Clint having been hilarious.  Everything else you wrote is ridiculously wrong.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 05:39 AM (X3lox)

152 Ohhhhh, PVPE Ryan needs to say something like that about Obama. All with the Sad Parent Eyes and Headshake Of Woe. I bet the JEF would chainsmoke a pack in five minutes after that.


2012 10:35 AM (VtjlW)

 

 

You can just picture it, can't you?   Thos pretty blue eyes looking into the camera, brimming with disappointment.   "President Obama, we trusted you.   We gave you responsibility that we thought you could handle.   We gave you the keys to the car.   And instead of obeying the rules of the road and navigating the country to economic prosperity, you went flying down the highway at 100 MPH, straight into a swamp of    partisan politics and national insolvency.

 

"President Obama, you    betrayed our trust.    President Obama,    you promised so much, and you broke every promise."

*headshake of woe*

 

"You disappointed us.  And that HURTS."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 05:41 AM (4df7R)

153 With five abortion feminists scheduled, one can only foresee a screechfest in fashion reminiscent of Roseanne Barr.  Should be pure entertainment, vastly surpassing Mr Eastwood's lackluster performance.

Posted by: Pierced Morgoon at August 31, 2012 05:42 AM (PcoXF)

154 Drew, 20/20 dude. No one KNEW how the old couples and Clint were gonna play out. In retrospect I can agree...but scheduling the lineup was a crap shoot at best...turned out damn well!

Posted by: rukiddingme? at August 31, 2012 05:42 AM (MbeEN)

155 @135: "Even if Mutt Romney wants to be America's Kindly Father, he will need some attack dogs working the room before he comes in all inspirational."

Just so, Mr. Scribbler.

Believe releasing the Money Kraken should help with that.

And Mutt/attack dogs...

ISWYDT, very nice.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 31, 2012 05:42 AM (ksERZ)

156 Obama is the kid who thought being School Council President meant he was ready.

Romney is the guy with the actual track record of saving things like the Olympics.

I would laugh if during one of the debates Romney gives Obama the head rub adults give children sometimes meaning to run along and let the adults take care of stuff.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:42 AM (X/+PP)

157 @ezraklein "Doesn't it say something about the President's performance when the best you felt about him was the day you voted for him?" Devastating. That line, and the one about helping you and your family vs. healing the planet, were like kryptonite to the Obamabots. They know both of them are true. They sold us a pile of Hope and Change and delivered an incompetent asshole. ======== Yes, he is making people - introspective. And, he is making them analyze their "feelings." Imagine that.

Posted by: GOTV honestly at August 31, 2012 05:42 AM (IPhbB)

158 Oh, the anger and hate at Eastwood is so very sweet.

That's not confidence, that's not assurance--that's fear. The stink of fear that silences a whole forest.

And it is beautiful.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 31, 2012 05:42 AM (imtbm)

159

With five abortion feminists scheduled, one can only foresee a screechfest in fashion reminiscent of Roseanne Barr.

 

Maybe they could bring her in to sing the national anthem.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at August 31, 2012 05:43 AM (JxMoP)

160

I was watching last night with my husband who was an Obamabot in 2008, and he thought Romney closed the deal.  He's been wavering all summer about voting for Obama again, and I think when he walks into that booth he won't.  He also said Marco Rubio is the next Obama (and he meant that in a good way, in terms of him being a riveting speaker.)

 

Posted by: rockmom at August 31, 2012 05:43 AM (qe2/V)

161 My Obamabot coworker called in sick today. Hopefully that's a sign.

Posted by: RWC at August 31, 2012 05:43 AM (fWAjv)

162 The proper strategy, Rove declared, was criticizing Obama without really criticizing him—by reminding voters of what the president said that he was going to do and comparing it to what he’s actually done. “If you keep it focused on the facts and adopt a respectful tone, then they’re gonna agree with you.”

That's stupid.  Barky respects NOTHING but Rove thinks he should be treated respectfully?  This is what got America into this death spiral.  From th architect who came to Washington with the GOP owning the Executive, House, and Senate and left with the GOP having NOTHING, an Indoneisan America-hating retard in the White House and the GOP almost dead.  Not someone I take political advice from.  No one should.

Make your cute commercials, Karl, and STFU otherwise.  You're an ass.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 05:43 AM (X3lox)

163

I watched Clint and then rewound and watched it again with my husband.

 

It was much better the second time because I wasn't worried that it was going to go to a bad place.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 31, 2012 05:44 AM (SUKHu)

164 Maybe they could bring her in to sing the national anthem.

I always thought they opened with the Internationale.  Huh.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 05:44 AM (/kI1Q)

165

You missed my first post evidently. He didn't get Bush elected. The Democrats did running unelectable candidates. He almost got one of them elected too.

 

I don't  know where you get that from.  They were easy races... to  YOU.

 

Gore was the VP for an extremely popular President Clinton, and should have ridden his coattails into office like George H.W.  Bush rode  Reagan's.  Clinton's  legacy  popularity wasnt even dinged after his impeachment, like how Reagan's popularity remained high after the very public spectacle of Iran-Contra.  It should have been a walk, alright.  For Gore.

 

Then consider 2004.  America was feeling the effects of the recession that started at the tail end of Clinton's last term, exacerbated by the 9/11 attacks and the War on Terror.  The war, while supported in the heartland, was pounded massively by the media.  Worldwide.  Bush's  name was synonymous with mud, and the Iraq effort bogging down did not help him with his base.  Their turnout should have been depressed, yet it wasn't.

 

You're thinking too much with your balls and forgetting what the situation in the ground was like back then.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 31, 2012 05:44 AM (OMx3O)

166 I still think they should play the 'Every Sperm is Sacred' skit of Monty Python's before Sandra Fluke gives her spleef.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:45 AM (X/+PP)

167 Akin will not bow out, and the state will not bring on another dust-up to get him out. It would be far worse than leaving him in. His statement, while being uniquely absurd, is a blip compared to the dems. His supporters will still support him because they see the big picture. It is to the shame of the rep establishment that they were so quick to vilify him, and to my shame that I cannot bring myself to work for him.

Posted by: Justamom in Achin' Akin's district at August 31, 2012 05:45 AM (Sptt8)

168 Posted by: rukiddingme? at August 31, 2012 10:42 AM (MbeEN)

Nah. People get paid lots of money to know or at least have a damn good clue how that turns out.

More importantly it's not just about the performances but the story you're building leading up to the big payoff.

They clearly had sections blocked out to tell a story, they had the elements in the wrong order.

Posted by: DrewM. at August 31, 2012 05:46 AM (YqXne)

169 "I always thought they opened with the Internationale. Huh."

Was rooting for them to use "Highway to Hell" or "Eve of Destruction", but thinking the muzzies will probably ban music and dancing.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 31, 2012 05:46 AM (ksERZ)

170

Mouse update: it got into my tea. My. Tea. It's on like Donkey Kong.

**************************

What, like a little mouse hot tub?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 31, 2012 05:47 AM (ND7TC)

171 And -- so -- they are just going to come around and beg for votes every few years. It is the same old deal. But I just think it is important that you realize , that you're the best in the world. Whether you are a Democrat or Republican or whether you're libertarian or whatever, you are the best. And we should not ever forget that. And when somebody does not do the job, we got to let them go.

Posted by: Team Clint at August 31, 2012 05:47 AM (IPhbB)

172

Those personal stories are powerful because there are no such stories involving Obama.  Personal compassion extending to the sick and afflicted.  Think Obama ever did anything similar?

Posted by: ejo at August 31, 2012 05:47 AM (ztRKw)

173

That's stupid. Barky respects NOTHING but Rove thinks he should be treated respectfully? This is what got America into this death spiral. From th architect who came to Washington with the GOP owning the Executive, House, and Senate and left with the GOP having NOTHING, an Indoneisan America-hating retard in the White House and the GOP almost dead. Not someone I take political advice from. No one should.

 

He's not talking about handling OBAMA with kid gloves.  Fuck Obama.  He's saying you have to treat the squishy middle with kid gloves and give them an easy out.   You can't turn to them and say, "Thanks, fuckwads, for screwing over the country.  Assholes.  Look at the socialist you put in power!"   You have to tell them, "He tried to sell you glass    by telling you it was diamond.   Don't let him fool you again."

 

I can't stand it myself, because I want to see Bammy eviscerated   both    politically and personally.   But for the idiots in the squishy middle, who are apparently offended by even the slightest    implication that they're squishy middle idiots, you have to walk softly.    I don't like Rove, but he's right in this.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 05:47 AM (4df7R)

174 “We should sink Todd Akin. If he’s found mysteriously murdered, don’t look for my whereabouts!” -- Karl Rove, Asswipe Supreme and strong McCatKill supporter.

Why did you skip that quote, Drew?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 05:48 AM (X3lox)

175 163 Mama AJ,

Penn got it, I was scared that we were losing another fine Hollywood Republican to father time and Clint was not the Clint he was when I was young, and smart, and full of promise....but what he was was the grizzled, careworn man who has deeds to look back on and a future he dreams of that is not even mostly his who expressed the regret that expectations did not align with the results he had hoped for.

Clint bitchslapped Obama using Bob newhart's martial arts style...

it's like watching an 82 year old man legit knock out a feigned "rhetorical Bruce Lee"...

I was in awe of his delivery once he lined the scene up in his mind's eye.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 05:48 AM (LRFds)

176 115 See, to me that's the harshest criticism of all - you said you would do X and you did not do it. We're not angry, but we are disappointed. Posted by: Your Parents, Crushing Your Psyche at August 31, 2012 10:30 AM (/kI1Q) 16 trillion dollars... Naw, not mad.

Posted by: cajun carrot at August 31, 2012 05:48 AM (UZQM8)

177 Internationale would be a fitting choice.  But ask the survivors of the public school indoctrination system if they would recognize it?  Might as well play ZZ Top, they probably won't recognize the difference.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:48 AM (X/+PP)

178 We don't have to be -- what I'm saying, we do not have to be metal (ph) masochists and vote for somebody that we don't really even want in office just because they seem to be nice guys or maybe not so nice guys, if you look at some of the recent ads going out there, I don't know.

Posted by: Team Clint at August 31, 2012 05:48 AM (IPhbB)

179 I was watching last night with my husband who was an Obamabot in 2008, and he thought Romney closed the deal. He's been wavering all summer about voting for Obama again, and I think when he walks into that booth he won't. He also said Marco Rubio is the next Obama (and he meant that in a good way, in terms of him being a riveting speaker.)

Posted by: rockmom at August 31, 2012 10:43 AM (qe2/V)



I can't even imagine my husband voting for Obama because he hates him with the heat of a million suns.


Just curious....how many people here have spouses or SO's that voted for Obama?  And what do you think they'll do this election?

Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2012 05:48 AM (X6akg)

180 63 toldyaso,

You have to wait three days after the convention to see what the bounce is you fucking mindless shitfaced dickweed.



Steady now, we treat our trolls with respect, be have so few, there is no reason to butt fuck them right away. 


Give it time.  We will work the barbed cock of Satan up their ass in all due time.


Posted by: Billy Bob, psuedo intellectual at August 31, 2012 05:49 AM (3ZjAP)

181 Personally,  I thought Cardinal Dolan  was  among the best speakers all night.  That was quite  a  prayer.

Posted by: SH at August 31, 2012 05:49 AM (gmeXX)

182 I thought Eastwood was hilarious, and I think it was exactly what was needed.

I understand the desire to appear above-the-fray and avoid some of the pitfalls associated with an aggressive campaign, and the openings that said aggression may leave to the MSM, but ultimately, they're going to attack those openings whether or not they actually exist.  I think Romney's campaign should go for the throat, personally.


Additionally, Rove can make a career of either being an adviser in an administration, or a commentator against the opposition.  Not sure how to feel about Rove's 'advice'.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, never copying a comment again at August 31, 2012 05:49 AM (vS1eu)

183 " Personal compassion extending to the sick and afflicted. Think Obama ever did anything similar?"

No, no I do not.

Posted by: George Obama, broadcasting LIVE from a cardboard box in a Kenyan slum.. at August 31, 2012 05:49 AM (ksERZ)

184

Drew, None of the stuff you are talking about was going to be on during the hour the major networks gave to the RNC anyway.  What difference does it make which order they came?  It was the order of Romney's life: church, Bain, Olympics, Massachusetts. 

 

Don't fall for The Narrative that keeps pounding on Romney's "likeability." Like Ace says, when the preference cascade starts, Romney's likeability numbers will go up. 

Posted by: rockmom at August 31, 2012 05:50 AM (qe2/V)

185 173 MWR,

Yup.

Mitt is the face of NICE REPUBLICANS!

and despite our unease with Mitt on his conservative creds that is precisely why Obama's entire narrative is undermined by trying to cast him as to the Right of Reagan....

it is a sale based on bullshit the moderate knows you and I are likely unhappy with Mitt BECAUSE he is a moderating influence.

Conservatives are going to have to take the idiot middle's lumps...

I'm willing to do so, if I get Paul Ryan and entitlement reform being on the table in the bargain.

Nice post

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 05:50 AM (LRFds)

186 How much money have you raised to beat the hell out of Democrats across the country over the last three years?

Trust me, it ain't bloggers moving the needle in dozens of races around the country.

Posted by: DrewM. at August 31, 2012 10:12 AM (YqXne)



Nobody's questioning Rove's ability to get the party swells to open up their wallets and to use their jack to make very good ads through American Crossroads.  He's done great work at that.  But that doesn't mean that we have to regard him as this presciently omnipotent Svengali that didn't produce those fucking disasters known as the 2006 and 2008 elections.  Nor did he get GWB off his dead ass to address the public regarding progress or lack thereof of the war on terror; as a result he let the MFM set the fucking narrative.  I'm glad he's on our side for the fundraising ability but strategically I wouldn't trust him as far as I could heave his fat ass.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 05:50 AM (8gs37)

187

Those personal stories are powerful because there are no such stories involving Obama. Personal compassion extending to the sick and afflicted. Think Obama ever did anything similar?

 

In a similar vein, I LOL'd at Ryan's joke about hearing Romney's ipod music on many elevators. I can't imagine anyone ever, ever being allowed to poke fun at the Narcissist in Chief.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at August 31, 2012 05:50 AM (JxMoP)

188 @140, sure, here are just a couple. http://is.gd/50GuWk, http://is.gd/VdxAPm

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 05:51 AM (+XVQe)

189

Anecdotally,  and with a very small sample size,  but Eastwood did not play well within  my circle of friends. 

Posted by: SH at August 31, 2012 05:51 AM (gmeXX)

190 Rove came within a few hundred votes of losing to Al Gore, and was the genius behind "let the media define the Republican Party unopposed for 8 years". I don't understand why anyone listens to him.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 31, 2012 05:51 AM (B/VB5)

191 Republicans just need to hold their noses and vote for Todd Akin.

Posted by: The Establishment at August 31, 2012 05:51 AM (aFxlY)

192 Speaking of bumps, Reuters this morning gave Romney a 2 point lead, up from -4. Do the math, Doubters. Plus 6 and early.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at August 31, 2012 05:51 AM (lOlyY)

193 We need to keep the troll around so we have something to play with in November

Posted by: Jean at August 31, 2012 05:51 AM (uxW8g)

194 The Republican Convention did the two things it needed to do.

1) Humanize the Romneys to some degree.

2) Defang the war on woman Meme that the Dems are planning whole hog

It did both well.

The limited 1 hour nightly coverage was the biggest gift from the media to obama ever.  Everybody already knows Obama, having three hours of nightly coverage during the convention isnt going to show anything new to the faithful or the other half of the country that cant stand him and his policies.

But.

By limiting the coverage to 1 hour only a night, they were trying their damnest to limit the opportunity Romney had to introduce himself to a wider swath of America.  Make no mistake the in the tank media did this limited time schedule deliberately.  They partially succeeded.  Now its up to Romney to push hard every day to break though the Media smoke, do spectacular in the debates and pray that there are more wise men than fools voting in this country.

Romney Ryan needs to take a page out of Obamao's playbook and book a solid 1/2 - 1 hour block of advertising on the a night close to the election on every network and go over their plan and their vision for the country.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 31, 2012 05:51 AM (ovpNn)

195 I can't imagine anyone ever, ever being allowed to poke fun at the Narcissist in Chief.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater

 

case in point: MSM comments on Clint's performance.

Posted by: Roy at August 31, 2012 05:52 AM (VndSC)

196 Jean, can we play a game of original style Afghani polo with the troll then?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:52 AM (X/+PP)

197 I think they have a good plan.  Good cop, Mitt.  Family man, here to save the country.


Bad Cop, Ryan, cause he will cut you with his math switch blade.

Posted by: Billy Bob, psuedo intellectual at August 31, 2012 05:53 AM (3ZjAP)

198 Reality Check - Could you at least troll with something believable?  You might as well be saying "the sky is green".  We all know that Rubio and Romney hit it out of the park.  We watched it.

Oh fuck it.

You are a vile piece of excrement left lying in the sun until the stink has become so bad that even starving dogs will avoid the foul putrid stench and slink away in horror.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 31, 2012 05:53 AM (32do8)

199 LOS ANGELES (AP) — It wasn't backed by any Hollywood movie studio. Reviews were mostly negative. It premiered in Houston, not Los Angeles or New York. And yet despite the unconventional release of "2016: Obama's America," the movie is now among the most successful political documentaries of all time — and it doesn't show signs of cooling down ahead of the presidential election. ----- Poor poor SCOAMF.

Posted by: RWC at August 31, 2012 05:53 AM (fWAjv)

200 We need to keep the troll around so we have something to play with in November

Posted by: Jean

 

 

We keep trolls around for the same reason Obama keeps Biden around.

Posted by: Roy at August 31, 2012 05:53 AM (VndSC)

201 Opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one. I'm more than a bit tired of the hypercriticism of everything. It's a real downer.

Posted by: Redd at August 31, 2012 05:53 AM (w062R)

202

>>Just curious....how many people here have spouses or SO's that voted for Obama? And what do you think they'll do this election?

 

Well, my mom voted for O last time. Believed he was moderate, not that different from any other politician. She'd lived in Arizona and had an opinion of McCain that was probably well-deserved.

 

Romney vote this time. Disgusted by a whole list of thing from the O admin.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 31, 2012 05:53 AM (SUKHu)

203 He won't win. Unless McCaskill does something even stupider between now and then, and frankly, she's not that stupid. A disingenuous lying sackweasel, sure, but not stupid.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 31, 2012 10:35 AM (TOk1P)

 

 

So you are saying that enough voters will vote for Mc Caskill even though they will vote for Romney? I don't see that happening in this election.

Akin will win.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 31, 2012 05:53 AM (R8hU8)

204 If Clint Eastwood did a one-man show tour, with brief sets of his well-known film monologues (some of those would be very brief sets), then closed with that supposedly rambling and incoherent dodder he delivered last night...

Would one million people pay $50 each to go see it?

You bet your ass they would. Monkey or no monkey.

Hell, they might even sit through him singing. Once.

Posted by: comatus at August 31, 2012 05:53 AM (qaVK+)

205 Those personal stories are powerful because there are no such stories involving Obama. Personal compassion extending to the sick and afflicted. Think Obama ever did anything similar?

Posted by: ejo at August 31, 2012 10:47 AM (ztRKw)

 

Obama didn't even have enough   moments of personal interaction to be able to have ONE girlfriend in his "memoirs."    That's why he had to composite every g-ddamn person in his personal history.

 

BTW, according to Michelle McPhee   this   morning    on WRKO in Boston,    the elderly fire chief    from VT    who was there with his wife to    talk about Romney's bond with their son when the son had terminal leukemia?   Apparently he's being harassed    because of    it.    By union thugs, natch.      I haven't been able to find any articles or news coverage to support that, but I wouldn't be surprised.

 

Apparently the   gentleman's      living    son is a VT government worker and a union guy, so he's said he respects Romney but he's going to vote for Obama because, "Romney's not for the working man."    It's incredible, given that     Obama would have never deigned to put himself in the   presence of a sick little boy, let alone deliver the eulogy at his funeral.   Obama's use for the working man begins and ends at the ballot box and the donation coffers.    But it goes to show you the dementia    that comes with being A) in Vermont, and B) in a public worker's union.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 05:53 AM (4df7R)

206 I watched the Clint bit twice last night as well. He did a fabulous job - his humour at times was very subtle - he didn't need to shout his act to the audience. It was biting. I seriously have no fucking clue why people would say he was bad. I understand why liberals condemn him (they're calling the episode "sad"), and that makes me laugh but he was absolutely great.

Posted by: Sassy at August 31, 2012 05:54 AM (CKLW2)

207 The record of Karl "Marx" Rove is indistinguishable from the legacy of any powerful liberal Democrat.

Posted by: Valiant at August 31, 2012 05:54 AM (aFxlY)

208 also, after election day, all leftwing journolists who caried the water for obama need to be put in reeducation camps.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 31, 2012 05:54 AM (ovpNn)

209 Any body else catch Rubio's mix up on words.  Right at the end of his speech when he was talking about what future generations would write about us.  "How we chose goverment over freedom to solve our problems".  I rewound it and checked it because I was sure I heard him wrong or missed something, but nope.  Looking at the transcripts it was supposed to be the other way around.  I can already see the next Obama add.  "Rubio for big government...."

Posted by: Polazeris at August 31, 2012 05:54 AM (zji3t)

210 Joey Choo-Choo is boning up for the debate with Ryan.... http://tinyurl.com/92yhsr5

Posted by: RWC at August 31, 2012 05:54 AM (fWAjv)

211 "Don't fall for The Narrative that keeps pounding on Romney's "likeability." Like Ace says, when the preference cascade starts, Romney's likeability numbers will go up"

Hmmm, likeability- as in, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"?.

Though Ace and you are right on the numbers Rockmom, this likeability business is eyewash and claptrap.

It doesn't matter how likeable someone is- if this "likeable fellow" is keeping you from a job, ruining your kid's chance to see a doctor, bringing horrid gas prices, and sucking up to savages that want to kill us all, he ain't going to get votes.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 31, 2012 05:55 AM (ksERZ)

212 191 Speaking of bumps, Reuters this morning gave Romney a 2 point lead, up from -4. Do the math, Doubters. Plus 6 and early.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at August 31, 2012 10:51 AM (lOlyY)


Lies, lies, damn lies, how they burn!

Posted by: Concerned Concern Troll at August 31, 2012 05:55 AM (/YJYi)

213 You are either willfully stupid or calculatedly a dunce. Or completely fake. toldyaso is drsmith is greg is averagejoe is parisparmus. The problem with frolls is that you end up arguing with someone about a position they don't actually hold anyway. Deny them oxygen.

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 05:56 AM (QupBk)

214

Treacher on Twitter points out that the appropriate response to any negative comment about Eastwood is one word:

 

"Biden."

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 31, 2012 05:56 AM (SUKHu)

215

O/T - Beck reporting that Bernanke is pulling the trigger on firing up the $$ printing presses.  Hello, QE3.

 

"This guy should be in federal prison.  He told Congress he'd never monetize the debt."   - Glenn Beck

Posted by: RushBabe at August 31, 2012 05:56 AM (tQHzJ)

216 and when i say camps, i mean the kind where dinner is a solid old fashion beating and desert is a followup kick to the head

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 31, 2012 05:56 AM (ovpNn)

217

Just curious....how many people here have spouses or SO's that voted for Obama? And what do you think they'll do this election?

 

 

My lib in-laws in Illinois voted for Obama and will vote for him again. We do not speak to the assholes.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 31, 2012 05:56 AM (R8hU8)

218 RWC, Joey is going to need more than Speak and Spells for Biden.  Perhaps Disney can build an automaton Biden to debate.  Though I can imagine the robot Biden having a malfunction on stage when confronted by a math problem.  And we hear from Biden's lips Barbie saying 'Math is hard.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 05:56 AM (X/+PP)

219

2016: Obama's America," the movie is now among the most successful political documentaries of all time

 

That is really something considering the aggressive disinterest-followed by sneering contempt showed by the MSM publicity machine. Given that it's reached the heights of Michael Moore's endlessly-hyped films, it's really impressive.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 05:56 AM (9KqcB)

220 Treacher on Twitter points out that the appropriate response to any negative comment about Eastwood is one word:

"Biden."

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 31, 2012 10:56 AM (SUKHu)



Clint's comment that Biden was the intellect of the democrat party cut deep. 

It's true, too.  Biden, with his 91 IQ has at least 7 points on the Indonesian.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 05:58 AM (X3lox)

221 Hey, guys over here.  What about me? 


The death, the destruction.   Don't I at least get a shout out?



Posted by: Issac at August 31, 2012 05:58 AM (3ZjAP)

222 Rove bet the farm on Mexicans (actually Chicano Catholics) voting R. The problem is, the padres at church on Sunday just won't play Rove's game. Example - Cal prop 8 gay marriagee losing along side a huge Obama win. LA county and center left valley county vote totals shore up my theory.

The gaucho latino country folk identify with macho western boot spur independence but the R's message is filtered by Spanish language networks.


Posted by: 13times at August 31, 2012 05:58 AM (h6XiD)

223 Posted by: Polazeris at August 31, 2012 10:54 AM (zji3t)


Yeah I heard it and thought "WTF" but he just kept on chugging along like it didn't happen.  A small glitch that didn't really affect the overall impact.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 05:58 AM (8gs37)

224 Treacher on Twitter points out that the appropriate response to any negative comment about Eastwood is one word: "Biden." There's kind of an unstated campaign theme with Romney where anything Obama accuses him of is something Obama is worse on, and I'm really enjoying it. Seamus vs dog eating was just the beginning.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 31, 2012 05:58 AM (B/VB5)

225 "Lies, lies, damn lies, how they burn"! "Reuters/Ipsos Poll: Romney Takes Small Lead Over Obama With Convention 'Bounce' "Romney entered the week four points behind Obama in the first installment of a Reuters/Ipsos rolling poll, with Obama leading 46 percent to 42 percent. "But the most recent daily rolling poll gave Romney a two-point lead of 44 percent to 42 percent among likely voters.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at August 31, 2012 05:59 AM (lOlyY)

226 "This guy should be in federal prison. He told Congress he'd never monetize the debt." - Glenn Beck

Posted by: RushBabe at August 31, 2012 10:56 AM (tQHzJ)



Beck should add (he probably did) that you can't monetize an increasing debt, anyway.  You can only monetize a stabilized debt.  When you try to pull that shit with an increasing debt you can't bring a long enough spoon with you.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 05:59 AM (X3lox)

227 “Those affluent, socially liberal, economically conservative people in Fairfield County and the New York suburbs have finally figured out that their pocketbooks matter more than abortion.”

... but I guess if your stuck being poor (Obama's America), then abortion just might be more important to you.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 31, 2012 05:59 AM (e8kgV)

228

"Barack Obama has been a tremendous leader who has moved our country forward in more ways than we even probably now realize. He needs another four years to get the job done."

I just checked my email and saw that whopper from John Kerry in another Obama campaign begging email.  How hilarious!  It's all our fault!  We just don't realize how amazing Obama is!  Seriously, that's what their campaigning on?  Obama's toast!

 

Posted by: biancaneve at August 31, 2012 06:00 AM (UaBrT)

229 216 Rush Babe,

hello 6 buck a gallon gasoline and a 15-17,000 point stock market.....

wheee

Helicopter Ben needs fired.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 06:00 AM (LRFds)

230 2000 should have been a walk in the park for Republicans. Clinton may have been popular in the beginning but by the end of his term people had Clinotn-Monica fatigue.  They were tired of his lies and his BS. 


On top of that Al Bore was the most boring and wooden candidate of the century. And Bush came within a hair of losing to the drugstore Kawliga.

Posted by: Vic at August 31, 2012 06:00 AM (YdQQY)

231 Now I just want to see the release of the money Kracken. Overwhelm the other side with ads ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at August 31, 2012 06:00 AM (k/Mc/)

232 How close to 100% is the chance that the MSM will blackout (CHICAGO!!11!!) the trip to NOLA by Romney and Jindal today?

Posted by: Roy at August 31, 2012 06:00 AM (VndSC)

233

My lib in-laws in Illinois voted for Obama and will vote for him again. We do not speak to the assholes.

 

To be honest, if they are liberals and prefer liberal governance, they should be expected to vote Democrat. Just like so many Republicans voted Republican during Bush 41's recession. You don't scrap your political ideology in 4 years.

 

It's the "independents" who voted for Obama in 2008, and then did a 180 in 2010 midterms that drive you nuts. They have no guiding principle, just 'which side is more popular today.'

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:00 AM (9KqcB)

234 126 "Bullshit. The a majority of Americans hate the GOP brand and it's mostly due to W." I disagree, Arms Merchant. It's mostly due to the lying media. Bush made some significant mistakes, but he is a decent man. The media hammered on him constantly, and never for anything he had actually done wrong.

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 06:01 AM (601AC)

235 Just curious....how many people here have spouses or SO's that voted for Obama? And what do you think they'll do this election?


Mrs H voted for the JEF last time.  This time I think she'll do the same now but I'll start trying to nudge her over in the middle of October and we'll see what happens.  Her votes usually negate mine but sometime I can negotiate her into a temporary alliance if I put together a logical enough argument.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 06:01 AM (8gs37)

236 I personally hope Rove is right about Fairfield County (CT). It would be a real hoot to see that state vote for Romney. There is a real disparity between Fairfield County and the other counties in that state. Having grown up and lived in Fairfield County for so many years, I wondered when the business people there would wake the fuck up.

Posted by: Sassy at August 31, 2012 06:02 AM (CKLW2)

237

Clint Eastwood: The building is on fire! Get out!

Pissant: Your delivery wasn't smooth, Clint.

Clint Eastwood: Your children will burn, I will show you the way to save them!

Pissant: Boy, that was really strange, I'm embarrassed...

Clint Eastwood: I am calling the paramedics and fire department!

Pissant: Unscripted and a little pathetic. The staff has let Mitt down....

Posted by: maddogg at August 31, 2012 06:02 AM (OlN4e)

238

>>How close to 100% is the chance that the MSM will blackout (CHICAGO!!11!!) the trip to NOLA by Romney and Jindal today?

 

Not that close. Probably like 150%.

 

All the Plaquemines people I saw rescued were white, so maybe they'll show Romney "only caring about white people" or something.

Posted by: Mama AJ at August 31, 2012 06:02 AM (SUKHu)

239 I'm still saddened at how Newt was neutered last night. He's been our attack dog. As is Christie, to some extent. Nikki hit O on immigration. Huck (bleck) tried to persuade the evangelicals and I think he did an okay job. Condi did her international/foreign relation/policy damage. McCain did the national security - leaking secrets damage. Rand Paul reached out to the libertarians... Artur, Condi and Mia hit the racist meme. As did Martinez. But, Newt???? WTF??

Posted by: pitbulls at August 31, 2012 06:03 AM (IPhbB)

240 Clint Eastwood didn't give a speech last night; he gave a one man show titled "Thoughts on a SCoaMF". 

Posted by: Alex at August 31, 2012 06:03 AM (3x3F6)

241 I didn't catch it last night but, did you all notice that Clint called him Mr. Obama several times? And not President?

He, he, he.

Oh, the hate they have toward Eastwood is as sweet as their tears.


Posted by: RoyalOil at August 31, 2012 06:03 AM (imtbm)

242 " Personal compassion extending to the sick and afflicted. Think Obama ever did anything similar?"

You have to sneak up on him to touch the hem of his garment if you want your scrofula cured.

Cow-orkers are bashing Romney's speech, but admit they didn't bother to watch it.  Huh.

(I admit I didn't watch it...I was asleep by 9.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 06:03 AM (/kI1Q)

243 As much as this annoys me I have to agree. I think the issue is that a lot of these dullards who voted for him don't want to be associated with the words "socialism" or "far left wing". They aren't necessarly defending Obama, they're defending themselves. If you say that Obama is a socialist then you are saying that the people who voted for him voted for socialism. The better tactic is to convince these people that they were fooled. Of course it's stupid but we are not dealing with deep thinkers here.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at August 31, 2012 10:14 AM (JxMoP)

-------->>>

They are uninformed dumbf*cks but they were lied to.  Obama was making noises about fiscal responsibility and the MFM actively shilled for him.  Of course, a cursory examination of Obama's past political activity and his unscripted remarks would have revealed   that   his remarks for the public's consumption was bullsh!t -- but that's why they're uninformed dumbf*cks.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at August 31, 2012 06:04 AM (3P3G8)

244 My in-laws are all voting for Obama. They all think he's going to take money away from "the rich"...and give it to them. They also think Obamacare is going to reduce the cost of their insurance. (All college grads, by the way, some professors.)

Posted by: Cricket at August 31, 2012 06:05 AM (DrC22)

245 Mrs H voted for the JEF last time. This time I think she'll do the same now but I'll start trying to nudge her over in the middle of October and we'll see what happens. Her votes usually negate mine but sometime I can negotiate her into a temporary alliance if I put together a logical enough argument. Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 11:01 AM (8gs37) What are her reasons for continuing to support O? I'm stunned, actually. What possible reason...

Posted by: pitbulls at August 31, 2012 06:05 AM (IPhbB)

246 Go ahead, make shit up.

Posted by: Obama impersonating Eatwood at August 31, 2012 06:05 AM (Hx5uv)

247
Cow-orkers are bashing Romney's speech, but admit they didn't bother to watch it. Huh.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 11:03 AM (/kI1Q)


Should ask them how they can bash something they didnt even watch...isnt that ignorant if not outright racist?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 31, 2012 06:05 AM (ovpNn)

248 242 HR,

Tell them you admire and respect your new mutant CoWorker  overlords and you will be the amazing karnak, go out on a limb and declare "Obama's speech are t3h aw3som3, we owe him a chance to try to lower the oceans and heal the earth again what's 11 trillion dollars amongst friends?"



Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 06:05 AM (LRFds)

249

The gaucho latino country folk identify with macho western boot spur independence but the R's message is filtered by Spanish language networks. Posted by: 13times at August 31, 2012 10:58 AM (h6XiD)

 

ABC had an anchor from Univision on to explain how Republicans could better pander to Hispanics, and he said flat out that Romney cannot talk about immigration. Apparently, the conservative view on immigration is so lacking in any credibility that it can't be mentioned, let alone championed.

 

THAT is how Spanish speaking Americans are getting their political news. And, ever come across a spanish radio station? Ever wonder what their talk show hosts are saying?

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:05 AM (9KqcB)

250 246 Go ahead, make shit up.
Posted by: Obama impersonating Eatwood

I think thats your job champ.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Wright at August 31, 2012 06:06 AM (ovpNn)

251

It's the "independents" who voted for Obama in 2008, and then did a 180 in 2010 midterms that drive you nuts. They have no guiding principle, just 'which side is more popular today.'

___

 

By 2010 they had enough time to figure out that Obama was not who they thought he was. Obamacare was extremely unpopular. Buyers' remorse had already kicked in. By November 2012 his admin will have had an extra two years to alleviate the economic pain being felt by swing voters, an unlikely development. This time around the Cult of Personality doesn't apply.

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2012 06:07 AM (jm/9g)

252
I disagree, Arms Merchant. It's mostly due to the lying media. Bush made some significant mistakes, but he is a decent man. The media hammered on him constantly, and never for anything he had actually done wrong.

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 11:01 AM (601AC)



Bush veered wildly left in his pathetic second term - thanks in good part ot Condi, though the decision, in the end, was obviously Bush's.  His support of amnesty (and the insane push for it by the despicable piece of shit McShame) totally killed the GOP.  He got spooked by the MFM and went back on most things he had done correctly in the first term.

Bush won in 2004 only because he did hang tough with Iraq and refused to surrender - Americans wanted to beat the piss out of Iraq and get out.  And thanks to the Swift Boat Vets for exposing what a despicable, lying scumbag Kerry was.  But then Bush refused to fight Iraq like a real war (which is why it dragged out so long) and gave in on everything else - again, thanks in part to Condi's leftism infecting everything.

And Rove was the political architect behind all this massive fail which is what exposed America to the danger of an ineligible Indonesian and brought us to the precipice - and I mean "precipice" in the American understanding of being something dangerous, not the retarded Indonesian way that Barky misused that simple word.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 06:07 AM (X3lox)

253
Morning all. So I guess Eastwood is now permanently persona non grata in libbywood.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 31, 2012 10:12 AM (j1gX1)
Nah, he was smart enough to become famous and sought-after before folks found out that he was conservative.

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at August 31, 2012 10:22 AM (ze9yk)








In the last 20 years, there's really only been two film directors who have scores of A-List actors beating on their door, begging and pleading for a part in their films: Terrence Malick and Clint Eastwood. I sense a confused air of ambivalence in Hollywood this morning. *snerk*

One thing I realized last night is that the preeminent Hollywood commie pansy Ed Harris is gonna be LIVID that he did an Eastwood film.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 31, 2012 06:07 AM (TIIx5)

254 "Are there any male Kennedys left that are sober enough to screw?"

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at August 31, 2012 10:12 AM (9TTOe)

If you count Michael Skakel, he may get paroled next April, and I bet he's got quite a list of prison pen pals to catch up with.  Assuming he doesn't drink himself into a coma the first day out.

Posted by: 66chevelle at August 31, 2012 06:07 AM (QjSgY)

255

Cow-orkers are bashing Romney's speech, but admit they didn't bother to watch it. Huh.

 

You think I'm going to watch Obama's speech? You think I'm not going to read what he said and not opine on it?

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:08 AM (9KqcB)

256 Geez. The day after the convention closes and we've got the knives out for each other, and predictions of DOOM. Lighten up, Francis. This an 80- day marathon, not a sprint. Plenty of time for fighting each other after the election. Let's go out and whup Democrat ass first.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 31, 2012 06:08 AM (64Jq3)

257 You are a vile piece of excrement left lying in the sun until the stink has become so bad that even starving dogs will avoid the foul putrid stench and slink away in horror. Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 31, 2012 10:53 AM (32do Oh, I'm sure there are a few dogs that would roll in it.

Posted by: some dogs like the stench at August 31, 2012 06:08 AM (IPhbB)

258 If you count Michael Skakel, he may get paroled next April, and I bet he's got quite a list of prison pen pals to catch up with. Assuming he doesn't drink himself into a coma the first day out.

Posted by: 66chevelle at August 31, 2012 11:07 AM (QjSgY)

 

Meh.  Murderers kind of leave me cold.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 06:08 AM (4df7R)

259 Interesting stuff, Drew? That was about as interesting as look inside Karl Rove's wardrobe.

Posted by: runninrebel at August 31, 2012 06:08 AM (N/1Dm)

260 Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 11:01 AM

No one here is saying W isn't decent. But on spending and expanding government he was indistinguishable from a lib.

Plus, you can cry all you want about how Congress wouldn't reform Fanny and Freddie, but the crash happened on his watch.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 06:08 AM (+XVQe)

261 As a proud citizen of Vermont, and a proud supporter of My President Obama, I am appalled that a fellow citizen of our fine state would stand up and support that horrible Mitt Romney.  The ladies of the Brattleboro Democrat Auxiliary are waiting for them to return from Florida.  We will show them our hand made signs of support for Our President Obama, and give them a stern talking to.

We love you, President Obama!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Brattleboro VT at August 31, 2012 06:09 AM (32do8)

262 You think I'm going to watch Obama's speech? You think I'm not going to read what he said and not opine on it?

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 11:08 AM (9KqcB)

 

Do you think the co-worker's HR mentioned    have actually READ Romney's speech?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 06:09 AM (4df7R)

263 What had emerged from that data is an “acute understanding of the nature of those undecided, persuadable” voters. “If you say he’s a socialist, they’ll go to defend him. If you call him a ‘far out left-winger,’ they’ll say, ‘no, no, he’s not.’” The proper strategy, Rove declared, was criticizing Obama without really criticizing him—by reminding voters of what the president said that he was going to do and comparing it to what he’s actually done. “If you keep it focused on the facts and adopt a respectful tone, then they’re gonna agree with you.”

This is what I saw a lot of last night in Mitt Romney’s speech. It tended to make the speech a bit less than bombastic, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 31, 2012 06:09 AM (e8kgV)

264 "You wanna play nice? Do the 'the Choomer-in-Chief is a nice guy, but he needs to try harder' shit?" That's not what Rove or anyone is saying. You catch more flies with honey. You don't say Obama is in over his head, but you don't call him names, either. You remind people that Romney / Ryan are right that Obamacare raids Medicare. You talk about how Obama wants to raise taxes on the middle class. You bring up the unemployment numbers and talk a out how expensive the stimulus was and how it failed. Ace has used the analogy of pretending you're telling your best friend his girlfriend is cheating on him. You just plant doubts until it all falls into place for him. Because Obama has made this election very much about him in a way. He wants to insinuate himself into voters' personal lives and has had a measure of success to some extent.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 06:09 AM (i0vBR)

265

">>Biden."

 

I posted that on the wrap up thread last night.  Biden is on the ticket, Eastwood was just a guest speaker at an event.

Big  Fucking Difference.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2012 06:09 AM (GQArU)

266 where did all the trolls come from?

Posted by: Max Power at August 31, 2012 06:09 AM (+wxCD)

267 218 RWC, Joey is going to need more than Speak and Spells for Biden. Perhaps Disney can build an automaton Biden to debate. Though I can imagine the robot Biden having a malfunction on stage when confronted by a math problem. And we hear from Biden's lips Barbie saying 'Math is hard.' Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 31, 2012 10:56 AM (X/+PP) ------------ "Gentlemen, we can build him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic man. Plugs Biden will be that man. Better than he was before. Better...stronger...faster." Ummm...fail.... http://tinyurl.com/8um3zua

Posted by: RWC at August 31, 2012 06:09 AM (fWAjv)

268

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 11:05 AM (9KqcB)

___

 

I listen to Spanish talk radio at night. Mostly Christian stations and sometimes women's lifestyle issues. The Christian stations discuss scripture a lot and the women's lifestyle runs the gamut although they're not particulary pro-abortion.

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2012 06:09 AM (jm/9g)

269 244 Cricket, One simple argument you can make using a whiteboard....500 paycheck.  You take the 500 above and send it to pay your Visa.  You get 500 cash from your Visa card and send a money order for 500 bucks to pay your mastercard.

You really believe you have paid 1000 bucks in bills?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 31, 2012 06:10 AM (LRFds)

270 The Bush haters can suck it as much as the Obama lovers.  I've got no use for either of them.

Posted by: polynikes at August 31, 2012 06:10 AM (m2CN7)

271 where did all the trolls come from?

Posted by: Max Power at August 31, 2012 11:09 AM (+wxCD)

 

Axeldouche.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 06:11 AM (4df7R)

272 Should ask them how they can bash something they didnt even watch...isnt that ignorant if not outright racist?

Oh, I don't know, I bash SCOAMF all the time and I intentionally avoid the breakroom when I know he'll be speaking live...

But the interesting quote was "Couldn't bring myself to watch that shit, it was gonna be all lies anyway."

I think I'll just keep my head down until I bring in the Cupcakes Of Mockery Nov 8.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 06:12 AM (/kI1Q)

273 I thought Eastwood was great. A sort of sincere, off-the-cuff little speech that was a nice change from a night of big scripted speeches. I bet plenty of non-political types flipping channels last night stopped when they saw him, and laughed a few times, and maybe even stuck around for the Rubio speech.

Posted by: brak at August 31, 2012 06:12 AM (nIoiW)

274 Clint should have addressed his remarks to an empty high chair.

Posted by: Obama impersonating Eatwood at August 31, 2012 06:12 AM (Hx5uv)

275 274 - threadwinner ;-)

Posted by: Sassy at August 31, 2012 06:13 AM (CKLW2)

276 Very good main blog post. Cogent, sentient, rational and mature. Kudos to the author. Romney is a far better general election candidate than a GOP primary candidate. Main Street has very little in common with the latter's addled and cocooned demographics. Team Romney staggeringly is inept, but they mean well, they're motivated and there's still time for them to get better. Faster, please. Romney has a fighting chance. Barring a political meteor strike ultimately it'll come down to the job market and to turnout.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at August 31, 2012 06:13 AM (r2PLg)

277

(NY Times) - While a majority of jobs lost during the downturn were in the middle range of wages, a majority of those added during the recovery have been low paying, according to a new report from the National Employment Law Project.

The disappearance of midwage, midskill jobs is part of a longer-term trend that some refer to as a hollowing out of the work force, though it has probably been accelerated by government layoffs.

“The overarching message here is we don’t just have a jobs deficit; we have a ‘good jobs’ deficit,” said Annette Bernhardt, the report’s author and a policy co-director at the National Employment Law Project, a liberal research and advocacy group.



The National Employment Law Project is obviously a racist group and so is the NY Times for running the story

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 31, 2012 06:13 AM (a+pI7)

278

#265 Yeah, I put on my FB page last night that "Clint may have been goofy, but Joe Biden talks like that every day and he's a heartbeat away from the nuclear football."  Got tons of likes already today. 

 

I'm thinking maybe the Romney camp was crazy like a fox to let Clint go unscripted.  It's gonna put the spotlight more on Crazy Joe and why Obama picked him and won't replace him.

Posted by: rockmom at August 31, 2012 06:13 AM (qe2/V)

279

By 2010 they had enough time to figure out that Obama was not who they thought he was.

 

That's what I mean. This "I don't vote for the party, I vote for the person" preening is their kind of bullshit. A party is, at its core, ideas. It's not a dirty word. And the two major political parties today have clearly contrasting views on how to govern.

 

They were for big government one year, and smaller government two years later? Ugh

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:13 AM (9KqcB)

280 What are her reasons for continuing to support O?

I'm stunned, actually.

What possible reason...

Posted by: pitbulls at August 31, 2012 11:05 AM (IPhbB)



She grew up in a donk household.  She worked for the MFM and now in a university.  It's no surprise, really; just because you don't agree politically doesn't mean you can't have a long term relationship with somebody.  Politics isn't everything; no matter how passionately we debate it here.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 06:14 AM (8gs37)

281 "Chair is taken" was the best Obama could zing back? The chair looked pretty empty to me.

Posted by: t-bird at August 31, 2012 06:14 AM (FcR7P)

282 The ladies of the Brattleboro Democrat Auxiliary are waiting for them to return from Florida. We will show them our hand made signs of support for Our President Obama, and give them a stern talking to.

--- 

No, no, no!  Dress up like vaginas and dance.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2012 06:14 AM (Hx5uv)

283 Posted by: polynikes at August 31, 2012 11:10 AM

Piss off, what is this, the GOP Establishment love club? And you are you, the Thought Police?

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 06:14 AM (+XVQe)

284 You think I'm going to watch Obama's speech? You think I'm not going to read what he said and not opine on it?

You guys, I believe read.  These guys, I believe catch ten minutes of MSNBC in the breakroom, or see the first five minutes of the 11:00 news and think they're informed.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 06:15 AM (/kI1Q)

285

 >>don't know, I bash SCOAMF all the time and I intentionally avoid the breakroom when I know he'll be speaking live...

 

Fuck that...walk right in there and tee off on the stupid bastard.  Better yet, walk in and change the station to The Price is Right.

Posted by: garrett at August 31, 2012 06:15 AM (GQArU)

286 Jean, are you in Alexandria? See my response to you on the last thread

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 31, 2012 06:15 AM (64Jq3)

287

“If you say he’s a socialist, they’ll go to defend him. ..."

 

 

This is probably true, and it drives me CRAZY!!

 

Imagine that somehow a duck gets into your house.  People observe that it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but decide that it can't be a duck becuase ducks are not allowed in the house.

 

To make a better analogy, we'd have to add that they don't really have a very good idea of what a duck looks or sounds like.

Posted by: Optimizer at August 31, 2012 06:16 AM (As94z)

288

Do you think the co-worker's HR mentioned have actually READ Romney's speech?

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at August 31, 2012 11:09 AM (4df7R)

 

Nah. They probably heard criticism of it.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:16 AM (9KqcB)

289 Did you guys notice that Rubio is racist?  He mentioned the word "golf" in the same context as "Obama."

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2012 06:16 AM (Hx5uv)

290 252, 260 I thought we were talking about people hating the GOP brand because of Bush. Do you think people's opinion soured because he wasn't conservative enough (he wasn't), or because the media told us he was stupid and evil 24/7? The anti-Bushers I know all opposed Bush for media-supplied reasons rather than something he had actually done.

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 06:17 AM (601AC)

291 just because you don't agree politically doesn't mean you can't have a long term relationship with somebody.

I have a hard time getting hot for someone who thinks government isn't taking enough of my paycheck/driving up the cost of energy/banning things I like /controlling my body enough, but I'm not normal.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 06:17 AM (/kI1Q)

292

They were for big government one year, and smaller government two years later? Ugh

___

 

I know you probably missed this part since you didn't vote for him....but Obama ran as a moderate. There were times he made speech references to  Reagan. He got significant GOP crossover votes. The swing voters were not aware they were selecting a big government type. I guess after he sued AZ state, his Labor dept came down hard on Boeing, he rammed through ACA...they realized they had been punked.

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2012 06:18 AM (jm/9g)

293 257: I'm an old mutt but even I have standards.

Posted by: Watson the WunderDog at August 31, 2012 06:18 AM (64Jq3)

294
Mrs H voted for the JEF last time. This time I think she'll do the same now but I'll start trying to nudge her over in the middle of October and we'll see what happens. Her votes usually negate mine but sometime I can negotiate her into a temporary alliance if I put together a logical enough argument.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 11:01 AM (8gs37)


YOUR wife voted for Obama?! 



What next?  Is Vic going to tell me HIS wife voted for Obama?



I'm gobsmacked Cap'n!

Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2012 06:18 AM (X6akg)

295 And, ever come across a spanish radio station? Ever wonder what their talk show hosts are saying?

Wonder no more; they mock and ridicule. The spaghetti western iconography is powerful gaucho mojo but 82 year old Clint is 30 years late to the bullfight.


Posted by: 13times at August 31, 2012 06:18 AM (h6XiD)

296

You guys, I believe read. These guys, I believe catch ten minutes of MSNBC in the breakroom, or see the first five minutes of the 11:00 news and think they're informed.

 

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 11:15 AM (/kI1Q)

 

Probably true. Dare I say, when I don't watch Obama's speech, I might come here the day after and get enough info to opine about it with my co-workers. Ain't no one on either side who is like the other side's big speech.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:19 AM (9KqcB)

297 290 Do you think people's opinion soured because he wasn't conservative enough (he wasn't), or because the media told us he was stupid and evil 24/7?

Yes.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 06:19 AM (+XVQe)

298 In 68 days we dip our balls.

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 06:19 AM (QupBk)

299 Here is an idea. Bush is not President anymore, and will not be in the future. The biggest lesson for me on Bush was I learned how corrupt the MSM is, even more than I suspected in the Clinton years. Romney is the candidate. Lets make sure they do not Bush-wack him. Lets focus on that

Posted by: thunderb at August 31, 2012 06:20 AM (Dnbau)

300 274 Clint should have addressed his remarks to an empty high chair. Posted by: Obama impersonating Eatwood at August 31, 2012 11:12 AM (Hx5uv) ====== Oh, I see a photo-shopped in the making

Posted by: hehe. nice. at August 31, 2012 06:20 AM (IPhbB)

301 #283 I didn't say you couldn't say what you want. I said I've got no use for you.  Deal with it.

Posted by: polynikes at August 31, 2012 06:20 AM (m2CN7)

302 And if you want to finesse the argument, you need loons like Akin out of the picture. Rove was reassuring big donors that he has plenty of good options to replace him and that they're quietly keeping pressure on him to drop out. Think about the impossible headwinds he faces. His supporters are standing by him, but they're not talking him up to others. McCaskill has an enormous monetary advantage. Once the date he can quit passes, she's gonna really unload on him. She's a former prosecutor who will talk about all the rape victims she has defended instead of her Obamacare vote. The DNC will close ranks with her and drive home their war on women message. Meanwhile, not a single Republican will be able to defend Akin's insensitive and ignorant comment, because they will sound like they're apologizing for rapists. Maybe Huckabee will, because he's comfortable doing that. But he also wants a future with the party and is only trying to appease his flock.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 06:20 AM (i0vBR)

303 206 Thank you. Clint played people like a Stradivarius.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 31, 2012 06:21 AM (GFM2b)

304 She grew up in a donk household. She worked for the MFM and now in a university. It's no surprise, really; just because you don't agree politically doesn't mean you can't have a long term relationship with somebody. Politics isn't everything; no matter how passionately we debate it here.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 11:14 AM (8gs37) <<<<<>

 

Also, titties.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 31, 2012 06:21 AM (OMx3O)

305 298 In 68 days we dip our balls.

Posted by: toby928© at August 31, 2012 11:19 AM (QupBk)

 

Unless we are ladies, at which point we dip other parts of the anatomy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 06:21 AM (4df7R)

306

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2012 11:18 AM (jm/9g)

 

I understand all that and agree. He ran as a moderate. But he was clear in that he wanted bigger government (to do good, he would argue.) Regardless of what he said, his ideas were clearly for more government. I guess I am expecting to much of voters. They're not all poli-junkies  like us

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:22 AM (9KqcB)

307 I thought we were talking about people hating the GOP brand because of Bush. Do you think people's opinion soured because he wasn't conservative enough (he wasn't), or because the media told us he was stupid and evil 24/7?

Both.  But Bush, himself, did more damage than the media since Bush really pissed off conservatives and squelched the base.  You have to go back and remember how many conservatives left the GOP when the shamnesty was being pushed - again and again and again.  That was the death knell for the party and Bush was a big supporter of it (and Rove, the idiot, evidently thought it was good politics, too).

The anti-Bushers I know all opposed Bush for media-supplied reasons rather than something he had actually done.

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 11:17 AM (601AC)



The left hated Bush for stupid reasons since Bush passed lots of left-leaning crap (for which conservatives really disliked him).  Bush's only real saving grace to the right was the fact that his religious nature forced him to make seemingly good judicial picks (though Benedickhead Roberts ended up being the worst in history, but I don't blame Bush for that) and that he stuck with the fight in Iraq and Afghanistan, though Bush refused to unleash the military and really take the fight to the enemy, which demoralized a lot of people who pushed themselves to stick with him.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 06:22 AM (X3lox)

308

The know-nothings slapping up ugly posts here are amusing in their futility. The people in the arena fighting the battle are the ones accomplishing things. The caterwaulers are a tiny fart in the wind. They sound like idiot football fans who insist they could coach the team to the Super Bowl if only someone would listen. 

And the one raging against the wake of the boat is the most powerless and inane of all.  

Posted by: Meremortal at August 31, 2012 06:22 AM (1Y+hH)

309

281"Chair is taken" was the best Obama could zing back?

 

Is there really anybody in the country who doesn't recognize that this is the behavior of a comedian, not a president?  As a joke, it doesn't really even make sense.  Perhaps it's really a childish minor fit of narcissistic rage.

 

Posted by: Optimizer at August 31, 2012 06:22 AM (As94z)

310 "Chair is taken" was the best Obama could zing back?

The chair looked pretty empty to me.

Posted by: t-bird at August 31, 2012 11:14 AM (FcR7P)

 

Worst attempt at a comeback ever. The chair is symbolic, Barry. It isn't really about the "chair." It's a metaphor for your lack of leadership, your 'absence in office,' as it were. Implying that you're the President isn't a comeback.

Posted by: runninrebel at August 31, 2012 06:23 AM (N/1Dm)

311 Save every critique of Eastwood by MSM reporters and re-post them as critiques of Biden.

Posted by: nickless at August 31, 2012 06:23 AM (MMC8r)

312 I have a hard time getting hot for someone who thinks government isn't taking enough of my paycheck/driving up the cost of energy/banning things I like /controlling my body enough, but I'm not normal.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 11:17 AM (/kI1Q)


Married my wife before we talked politics. She was a foreigner, without many strong beliefs.

2 years later, she's a raving ABO ficon.


Married life is good.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at August 31, 2012 06:23 AM (xAtAj)

313

Hey! I know how to become popular!

 

What if Clint gave that speech at the Democrat convention? (Obviously making different, points, but the same style.)

 

What would your review be?

 

 

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:23 AM (9KqcB)

314 What killed Bush43 was not Iraq, but the amnesty fight with his own backers.

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 06:24 AM (QupBk)

315 What would your review be?

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 11:23 AM (9KqcB)


Well, if we had our own Biden as VP, I'd feel the same way.


Concurrently laughing and being horrified.


Not a fan of the placement in, timing, etc. It's not Clint's fault of course, he can do as he damn well pleases.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at August 31, 2012 06:24 AM (xAtAj)

316 I think I'll just keep my head down until I bring in the Cupcakes Of Mockery Nov 8.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 11:12 AM (/kI1Q)


Ohhh, with Frosting of Schadenfreude?

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at August 31, 2012 06:24 AM (RD7QR)

317 299 Amen, thunderb. I think the alternative media is in a position this election cycle to effectively counter the MBM. Brietbart will be smiling!

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 06:24 AM (601AC)

318 No, no, no! Dress up like vaginas and dance. Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2012 11:14 AM (Hx5uv) ------- Hehe. They can chain them together and float down the river... Flow Forward!

Posted by: I stopped buying Ben & Jerry's a long time ago at August 31, 2012 06:25 AM (IPhbB)

319 I know you probably missed this part since you didn't vote for him....but Obama ran as a moderate.

No, he didn't.  There was nothing moderate about anything in his illegal 2008 run.  His biggest campaign rally was illegally in a foreign nation, for foreigners - how moderate is that ... how friggin American is that?  His associates were nothing but marxists, muslims and America-haters and everyone knew it.  He let slip with his marxist rote-line more than once - "spread the wealth" (what more did any American need to hear, really?), "it's not that I want to punish your success," etc.  His policies were laughable, at best, if one could actually find something he said one day and didn't turn around and deny the next.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 06:25 AM (X3lox)

320 Beck should add (he probably did) that you can't monetize an increasing debt, anyway. You can only monetize a stabilized debt. When you try to pull that shit with an increasing debt you can't bring a long enough spoon with you.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 10:59 AM (X3lox)

 

His TV show last night was a trip.  He mentioned the possibility of Bernanke doing QE3 and brought up his "Deep Throat" (who was in the room when Paulson told the banksters they weren't leaving the room unless they signed the loan agreement), who was adamant that another QE3 would doom us from ever coming back.  This was last night, mind you.

 

And if that wasn't enough, the panel discussion, which included Jerry Boykin and Bill Cowan (I think that was his name) would've made our military budget/control-the-deficit debaters at the HQ sit up and take notice.  I hope Beck posts that on The Blaze.

 

What I know he won't print was the conversation he had with W in the WH.  Beck said he was voicing concern over Shrillary or Hussein getting elected and what that would mean for the wars and our M.E. positions.  "President Bush said, Don't worry.  Whoever sits in that chair -- it's going to come out the same no matter what."  (not "come out" as in a sense of Divine Providence, but in the sense that it didn't matter who was prez because someone else was making the decisions!)

Posted by: RushBabe at August 31, 2012 06:26 AM (tQHzJ)

321 Factcheck still hasn't corrected their GM story. How can they claim Ryan was false? He didn't blame Obama, he just quoted him and noticed that the plant closed. He didn't even say the date it closed. Fuckin facts, how do they work?

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262 at August 31, 2012 06:26 AM (UU0OF)

322 I understand all that and agree. He ran as a moderate. But he was clear in that he wanted bigger government (to do good, he would argue.) Regardless of what he said, his ideas were clearly for more government. I guess I am expecting to much of voters. They're not all poli-junkies like us

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 11:22 AM (9KqcB)

 

The way I see it, the mushy middle are those who believe everything they see and hear, but who    know   deep down that what they're seeing and hearing can't be true.   This is what leads to the "schizophrenic" appearance of "independent" voters, like    that one Luntz focus group.   They know what they want, and they know what's right, but they can't connect the two in any meaningful way. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 06:26 AM (4df7R)

323 What if Clint gave that speech at the Democrat convention? (Obviously making different, points, but the same style.) What would your review be? Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 11:23 AM (9KqcB) ======= Monica will be back in the news. War on women.

Posted by: abused dem women - everywhere at August 31, 2012 06:26 AM (IPhbB)

324

"...The ladies of the Brattleboro Democrat Auxiliary..."

 

 

Known locally as "The Auxiliarods", no doubt.

 

Stand up, Mary, godluvya. 

Posted by: 66chevelle at August 31, 2012 06:27 AM (QjSgY)

325

You have to admit, this photoshop is kind of funny

 

http://tinyurl.com/9e2uyan

 

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:27 AM (9KqcB)

326 Rove is absolutely right.  And this is why I write like my audience is my best friend although she just happens to have made a small mistake in the past.  She voted for Obama.  She bought the hope and change mantra.  But she's still a lovely person.  She really is! 

In fact, she's my wife! 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/9vr9qsn

Posted by: Davidlind at August 31, 2012 06:27 AM (5ANyb)

327 Any body else catch Rubio's mix up on words. Right at the end of his speech when he was talking about what future generations would write about us. "How we chose goverment over freedom to solve our problems". I rewound it and checked it because I was sure I heard him wrong or missed something, but nope. Looking at the transcripts it was supposed to be the other way around. I can already see the next Obama add. "Rubio for big government...."

Posted by: Polazeris at August 31, 2012 10:54 AM (zji3t)

--------->>>

Yeah, I caught that too.  From the context of the speech, he obviously got the words transposed.  I'm not even sure he realized what he did at the time.   I don't think it's going to be a critical error -- if the donk's try to make an issue  of   it,   just hit them with "corpse man" or the SOAMF misquoting the Declaration of Independence (by deleting the "...their Creator" part).

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at August 31, 2012 06:27 AM (3P3G8)

328 What killed Bush43 was not Iraq, but the amnesty fight with his own backers. Exactly. The only way Bush's approval could have gone so low was to lose the base, and he didn't lose that over Iraq. He lost it over amnesty, spending, and little things like Harriet Miers. Blaming it on Iraq is just MSM spin.

Posted by: nickless at August 31, 2012 06:27 AM (MMC8r)

329 No, no, no! Dress up like vaginas and dance. Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2012 11:14 AM (Hx5uv) I lol'd but mostly because I imagined by her name she and her friends would clog, so I was imagining a bunch of pink tacos doing their rendition of Riverdance.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 06:28 AM (i0vBR)

330 All you all who have spouses who had and/or will vote for the JEF: Get with the program.

Are you not paying attention here? Are you not reading the news? How can you not drop a little knowledge on them?

12 years ago when I met my wife, she was somewhat liberal. Her parents vote straight Dem and I know she at one time said she was pro-choice. She's a hairdresser and works with all gays, so leftist was all she heard.

Today: She wants me to get a voter registration so she can vote against the JEF.

How? Just dropping a little knowledge when needed, never pushing, never arguing. She likes to watch the Today show and it is ripe pickings for topics to explain how they are full of shit, how the Dems are lying bastards, etc. Just told her the rest of the story after they got done with their "framing."

Take what you are learning here and use the opening of whatever they are watching to set them right.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 31, 2012 06:28 AM (imtbm)

331 Hey, you may have Clint but we got Cher and Ellen Barkin. And they're very civil, too. Plus we've got me!

Posted by: Einstein Biden at August 31, 2012 06:29 AM (YQHqe)

332 309 281"Chair is taken" was the best Obama could zing back? Is there really anybody in the country who doesn't recognize that this is the behavior of a comedian, not a president? As a joke, it doesn't really even make sense. Perhaps it's really a childish minorfit ofnarcissistic rage. Posted by: Optimizer at August 31, 2012 11:22 AM (As94z) ===== His response was exactly like the "I won." What a teeny tiny man.

Posted by: abused dem women - everywhere at August 31, 2012 06:29 AM (IPhbB)

333 Ohhh, with Frosting of Schadenfreude?

And Sprinkles of Exultation.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 06:29 AM (/kI1Q)

334 300 274 Clint should have addressed his remarks to an empty high chair.
Posted by: Obama impersonating Eatwood at August 31, 2012 11:12 AM (Hx5uv)
Oh, I see a photo-shopped in the making>>

I think putting a booster seat on the original would be funnier than hell.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 31, 2012 06:29 AM (tf9Ne)

335 You guys, I believe read. These guys, I believe catch ten minutes of MSNBC in the breakroom, or see the first five minutes of the 11:00 news and think they're informed.

Why would I watch the 11:00 news when I can get all my news from the Daily Show?

Posted by: Squishy voter who decides elections at August 31, 2012 06:29 AM (SY2Kh)

336 Oh, and Clint should have put some feet up on the podium to make the SCOAMF picture complete since he has the habit of putting his feet on the Resolute Desk.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262 at August 31, 2012 06:30 AM (UU0OF)

337 What if Clint gave that speech at the Democrat convention? (Obviously making different, points, but the same style.)

What would your review be?

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 11:23 AM (9KqcB)
=======

Its the points that make the style a success or not.  If the points are exagerrations or lies then regardless of the style, It falls flat.  Clint's points were mostly accurate and on target.  

Posted by: polynikes at August 31, 2012 06:30 AM (m2CN7)

338 @301, Polynikes. I aimed, pulled the trigger, and hit the wrong target. My apologies.

I'm just tired of getting called a troll in this place because I disagree with one or another GOP orthodoxy. Republicans tend to treat any deviation from the establishment line like an Imam treats apostasy (figuratively speaking, of course).

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 06:30 AM (+XVQe)

339 307 ThePrimordialOrderedPair I'll have to admit that McCain squelched my enthusiasm, so I had to ignore him and vote for Palin and against Obama.

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 06:30 AM (601AC)

340 My wife would just ask me my opinion, and I'd explain to her my libertarian/conservative views.

She learned to hate JEF all on her own. She HATES his lack of taking responsibility.

I was so happy when they talked about his lack of taking responsibility. Nothing turns me off more than a weasel. Be a fucking man Barack. Step down.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at August 31, 2012 06:30 AM (xAtAj)

341 What killed Bush43 was not Iraq, but the amnesty fight with his own backers.

---

That and the big spending.  But it was the amnesty, most particularly the their third try at ramming it down our throats, that made me consider for the first time in thirty years that if that is what a Republican is, maybe I'm not a Republican.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2012 06:31 AM (Hx5uv)

342 I'm gobsmacked Cap'n!

Posted by: Tami at August 31, 2012 11:18 AM (X6akg)



Life can be strange.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 06:31 AM (8gs37)

343 W was clear that he wanted bigger government, which is why evangelicals loved him so much. Jen last night sounded the same note, talking about how we should pay teachers more. The MSNBC panel got into an argument about it with Shultz saying the new governors are all union busters and Matthews defending Bush and saying he wanted to spend more money.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 06:32 AM (i0vBR)

344

That chair is on loan.  Sit up straight while you're in it.

Posted by: 66chevelle at August 31, 2012 06:32 AM (QjSgY)

345 One other point on the "Chair is taken" thing. The fact that Obama is facing away from the photographer is a sign of contempt. So much for the "New Tone of Civility."

Posted by: Optimizer at August 31, 2012 06:32 AM (As94z)

346

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 11:30 AM (+XVQe)


Only a few topics split us here at the AOSHQ in an ugly fashion:

1)Foreign Policy

2)Socon vs Ficon

Are a couple.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at August 31, 2012 06:32 AM (xAtAj)

347 281"Chair is taken" was the best Obama could zing back

The question is, if you're the President, why respond at all? What a small, insecure person.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 06:33 AM (+XVQe)

348

I think the one thing they accomplished very well last night was showing that Mitt really lives his faith and has his entire life.  I have never been a Mitt fan and thought his campaign during the primaries was shameful.  But, during his speech, I asked my sister if she looked at him differently because of the personal testimonials and she said she did, and I agreed.

 

I think, for those who were watching the entire lineup for the night, the testimonial segments accomplished the "humanizing of Mitt," which has been a major concern for the campaign.

 

Oh, and fuck Karl Rove.  For.  Ever.  Because.

Posted by: joanne at August 31, 2012 06:33 AM (VNFBf)

349 The MSNBC panel is great! Freaks and cartoon characters have real appeal for voters. If we lose the election MSNBC promised me I can be part of the panel. Maddow has even promised to change my Depends once in awhile. Me like! Hey did you know I can spell MSNBC?  

Posted by: "Special" Joey Biden at August 31, 2012 06:35 AM (YQHqe)

350 Also, titties.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 31, 2012 11:21 AM (OMx3O)



I figured you'd get it.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 06:35 AM (8gs37)

351 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 11:25 AM (X3lox)



None of the idiots in the middle or apolitical jackholes paid any attention to that.  I worked with an asshole in 2008 who, when confronted with the "spread the wealth around" comments and the Jeremiah Wright "sermons", denied that they ever happened.  After another coworker and I tried talking to him about it, he came in the next day claiming he couldn't find anything about it on the internet.













Posted by: Adam at August 31, 2012 06:35 AM (/YJYi)

352 To dip our balls in pudding, to crush our enemies, to see them driven before us, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 31, 2012 06:36 AM (Hx5uv)

353

Obama's response with the chair gives Clint the win.

 

Posted by: Meremortal at August 31, 2012 06:36 AM (1Y+hH)

354 260 I always wondered why nothing got done about the Fannie/Freddie mess. Bush apparently pushed for oversight to stop the disaster, and Dems responded by saying, "You just don't want black people to own houses." I don't know if Bush didn't have the power to force the issue, or if he dropped the ball.

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 06:37 AM (601AC)

355 Voter Fraud and the Collapse of Democrat Registration in Florida http://is.gd/3jL7ez

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 06:37 AM (QupBk)

356

One other point on the "Chair is taken" thing. The fact that Obama is facing away from the photographer is a sign of contempt. So much for the "New Tone of Civility."

 

Posted by: Optimizer at August 31, 2012 11:32 AM (As94z)

 

He did that to show "The President" engraved on the back of the chair.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:37 AM (9KqcB)

357 One of Rubio's best lines was, "Do you think he's watching?"  Heh.

Posted by: joanne at August 31, 2012 06:37 AM (VNFBf)

358 After another coworker and I tried talking to him about it, he came in the next day claiming he couldn't find anything about it on the internet.

Posted by: Adam at August 31, 2012 11:35 AM (/YJYi)



Heh.  At least, he tried to be funny about it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 06:37 AM (X3lox)

359 #338 Arms Merchant.  No need to apologize.  I'm just as frustrated with many on our side that rely on misinformation and the need to destroy anyone that does not meet their definition of conservative hence my post you responded to.  

Posted by: polynikes at August 31, 2012 06:38 AM (m2CN7)

360 Take Laura's advice. Go listen to The Cure. ;-)

Posted by: more of the cure, pls at August 31, 2012 06:39 AM (IPhbB)

361 Ace has used the analogy of pretending you're telling your best friend his girlfriend is cheating on him. You just plant doubts until it all falls into place for him. Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 11:09 AM

Yeah, and if your friend is an average dimwit (see: 52%, 200 , the poor bastard is going to be sitting there saying "what are you trying to say?" and following his normal course until some nastier sonofabitch tells him the truth straight-up.

That's where we are. There are voters out there who voted for Choom Boy in '08, and everyone except a few isolated people tell them everything's juuuuuuust fine, or would be if those Republicans weren't messing things up. So they'll vote for the worthless fuck again, because it's the easy thing to do, and doesn't make them look bad to the Facebook "friends."

I have what I think is a better analogy, but as it involves a former foreign leader (who started a war and killed millions of people after being elected by citizens who didn't know the bad stuff about him because the media didn't tell them) whose name can't be mentioned anywhere near Bark Obama's because it would be racist and shit, I won't use it.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 31, 2012 06:39 AM (wZI4b)

362 I always wondered why nothing got done about the Fannie/Freddie mess. Bush apparently pushed for oversight to stop the disaster, and Dems responded by saying, "You just don't want black people to own houses." I don't know if Bush didn't have the power to force the issue, or if he dropped the ball. Don't forget that the race card used to be pretty damned powerful juju before old jug-ears wore it out.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 31, 2012 06:40 AM (ogdab)

363 @"140, sure, here are just a couple. http://is.gd/50GuWk, http://is.gd/VdxAPm"

Okay- the first one, Gallup/USA Today. Did not see their poll splits. Anyway- Reps unfavorable was at 50%, still not a majority. Additionally, the dumbocrats had lower favorable and higher unfavorable.

Second one- CNN poll- again, no splits shown. Even with the standard 6-9 percent dummocrat oversample they normally feature, Reps at 59% disapproval IS a concern.

So your point is half made, well done.

However, given the unceasing flow of rabidly anti-conservative night soil the msm has been pumping for about 12 years now (to be generous) I'm happy we're only a shade over 50% unfavorable in one poll.

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 31, 2012 06:40 AM (ksERZ)

364 I think I'll just keep my head down until I bring in the Cupcakes Of Mockery Nov 8.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Team MATH at August 31, 2012 11:12 AM (/kI1Q)

 

 

HR - your posts crack me up.  Do you think any of your cow-orkers have any inkling of the degree to which they're playing on a rained out, muddy, empty field of nothing vs the "battlefield of ideas" since you came to town?

Posted by: RushBabe at August 31, 2012 06:41 AM (tQHzJ)

365

In case anybody missed all the hilarity on MSNBC, another item was that they took Romney's comment about how everybody in the world still knows that to do something big, you need an American, and managed to do the intellectual gymnastics necessary to interpret this as a "birther" comment.  That's quite a feat, but let me tell a story first.

 

When some Israelis came to visit on business, years ago, it was winter and they showed an interest in trying their hand at skiing.  I don't ski, and I started to ponder whether there had been enough snow for skiing.  They - the Israelis! - said, "This is America! If it doesn't snow, they'll just MAKE it snow."  I was taken aback, thought about it for a second, and said, "I hadn't really thought of it like that, but yeah, it really does kinda work that way."

 

The Left is in complete denial of this, and so it would not occur to them that this is what Romney was talking about. They share Obama's narcissistic obsession with himself - it all has to be about him, and about him "doing great things". So it goes like this: "Only the President (the government) does Great Things, the Republicans are disputing that Great Things are happening, and so they are saying that Obama is not an American."

 

No, seriously, that's how they think.  They're pretty much certifiable.

 

Posted by: Optimizer at August 31, 2012 06:43 AM (As94z)

366 The single biggest thing we could do to improve the political discourse in this country would be to outlaw TV advertising of politics. If people had to read campaign material, they would actually be better as discriminating between truth, fiction and spin.

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 06:43 AM (QupBk)

367 343 "W was clear that he wanted bigger government, which is why evangelicals loved him so much." Woa, there. I do not understand why evangelicals would want bigger government. As an evangelical myself, I strongly disapprove of expanding government. Bigger government increases corruption, cripples productivity, impinges on religious liberty, interferes with charitable endeavors, teaches that people are not accountable for their own actions, etc...

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 06:44 AM (601AC)

368 I'm just tired of getting called a troll in this place because I disagree with one or another GOP orthodoxy. Republicans tend to treat any deviation from the establishment line like an Imam treats apostasy (figuratively speaking, of course).

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 11:30 AM (+XVQe)

 

We're not THAT bad,    are we?    The thing I always try to remind folks of is that we'll have disagreements -- some can get pretty damn heated -- but    a few threads later we're all joking around with each other again.   Because conservatives accept that there are multiple points of view on pretty much everything, and that minority opinions (or majority opinions)    can be and SHOULD be openly discussed and argued.  It's the only way to make any progress.     And we all know that our opinions are all held because we actually believe they're what's most beneficial to the country.      We don't tend to hold a person's POV against them, with rare exception.  Someone who's a racist asshole,    for example,   is swiftly kicked to the curb.

 

Now if we were the Daily Kos or the DU, you would not only be banned for posting    anything contrary to the majority opinion, but you'd become anathema throughout the leftist blogosphere.  Your reputation would be shredded,   your home and workplace harassed, and your family threatened.

 

Thank GOD we're not like that.   We just leave each other a little black and blue. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 06:45 AM (4df7R)

369 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 31, 2012 11:37 AM (X3lox)



It's funny thinking back on it, but I came very close to knocking the shit out of him at the time.  He basically accused me of disliking Obama because my parents did and because I didn't want to do anything to piss them off because they paid my way for everything.



I was 19 at the time and working about 50 hours a week in a warehouse, paying my parents rent and paying for all of my expenses.  This jackass was 18, his parents paid his car insurance, gas, cell phone, and had bought him four different cars in a little over a year.  He defined the entitlement generation and didn't even recognize the hypocrisy he was practicing.  I was fuming.

Posted by: Adam at August 31, 2012 06:45 AM (/YJYi)

370

Oh, yeah.  I would consider the worst thing about last night's events was teh Newt/Callista weird thing.  Seriously, this is by far the stupidest waste of talent and opportunity I have ever seen.

 

I never would have believed that Newt Gingrich could or would make the Reagan Revolution boring, but hell, yeah, that's what he did.

Posted by: joanne at August 31, 2012 06:46 AM (VNFBf)

371

"Chair is taken" was the best Obama could zing back?

To be fair, that Twit pix was full of ears.

Posted by: RushBabe at August 31, 2012 06:46 AM (tQHzJ)

372
Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 11:30 AM (+XVQe)
Only a few topics split us here at the AOSHQ in an ugly fashion:1)Foreign Policy2)Socon vs FiconAre a couple.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at August 31, 2012 11:32 AM (xAtAj)




3) Pollock vs Cod

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 31, 2012 06:46 AM (TIIx5)

373

Blaming it on Iraq is just MSM spin.

 

Posted by: nickless at August 31, 2012 11:27 AM (MMC8r)

 

Spin, yeah, but let's not go too far. It was an increasingly unpopular war, after it became clear no WMDs would be found and the long phases of awful casualties. War is big with voters.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 06:46 AM (9KqcB)

374  >>Politics isn't everything; no matter how passionately we debate it here.
Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 11:14 AM (8gs37)


Though I agree with that statement, the problem is that politicians get their filthy hands into damn near EVERYTHING, usually for their own profit, and ALMOST ALWAYS behind our backs DESPITE our good intentioned debates.

Not yelling at you CH, and actually after this AM's revelation you have my sympathies.


Posted by: ontherocks at August 31, 2012 06:46 AM (aZ6ew)

375 Faith Based Initiatives = Sweet Gubmint Cheese Look at Fatfuckabee, and you know he's got an appetite.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 06:47 AM (i0vBR)

376 375 I am no fan of Hucks, and I am an evangelical socon and ficon. I would say if you want an fine example of morbidly obese you might want to check with the ficon idol Chris Christie.

Posted by: Honey Badger at August 31, 2012 06:50 AM (KC7lm)

377

Oh, here's another MSNBC-ism, for your enjoyment.

 

They actually described Romney's speech as "bellicose."  Yeah, I'm sure one of the things we all got out of it was Romeny's eagerness to go to war. [sarc]  Because Obama was criticized for doing nothing about Iran but talk, and it was suggested that we wouldn't be kissing Putin's ass.

 

They even went so far as to suggest Romney was looking to "re-ignite the Cold War."

 

Wow.

Posted by: Optimizer at August 31, 2012 06:50 AM (As94z)

378

Only a few topics split us here at the AOSHQ in an ugly fashion:1)Foreign Policy2)Socon vs FiconAre a couple.




Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at August 31, 2012 11:32 AM (xAtAj)




3) Pollock vs Cod

 

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 31, 2012 11:46 AM (TIIx5)

 

Are we so easily forgotten?

Posted by: The Epic Longbow vs. Crossbow debate at August 31, 2012 06:51 AM (4df7R)

379

They even went so far as to suggest Romney was looking to "re-ignite the Cold War."

 

God they're desperate.

 

I love it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/i][/u][/b] at August 31, 2012 06:52 AM (4df7R)

380 Not yelling at you CH, and actually after this AM's revelation you have my sympathies.


Posted by: ontherocks at August 31, 2012 11:46 AM (aZ6ew)



There've been a number of times that I've just wanted to scream "do you know how this fuckhead you're voting for is gonna financially deep six us" and have tried to communicate that, obviously not effectively.  She's had enough personal experiences that she should know better.  Hell, Slick pardoned the pile of shit who stole her FICA contributions where she used to work.  I'm telling you, experiences when you're growing up are hard to fight against no matter how little fucking sense they ultimately make.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 06:53 AM (8gs37)

381 Huckabee strikes me as someone who hasn't thought things through as an Evangelical.

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 06:54 AM (601AC)

382 And don't squander any sympathy on me, ontherocks; I have a great life.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 06:56 AM (8gs37)

383 380 I feel your pain. I have in-laws who live the kind of lifestyle that Democrats are actively trying to stamp out (homeschoolers, value independence), and yet they vote Democrat. The reasons they gave were all media-supplied.

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 06:58 AM (601AC)

384 Ha. Leading from behind. Obama will visit LA on Monday. Dumbfuck.

Posted by: RWC at August 31, 2012 07:00 AM (fWAjv)

385

I think the one thing they accomplished very well last night was showing that Mitt really lives his faith and has his entire life.

___

 

This came as a real surprise. After hearing the testimonials of those he helped, and understanding just how involved he was in ministry, I recalled a moment that was filed back in my mind. After the Boulder CO movie shooting, the candidates came out with their statements. Preazy's was boilerplate: "Our thoughts and prayers go to the victims in this difficult time" bla bla bla same shit different day.

 

Romney's statement was heartfelt, he used the language that a prayerful believer uses. This newly revealed dimension of Romney's makes the donk character attacks on him that much more odious.

Posted by: kallisto at August 31, 2012 07:01 AM (jm/9g)

386

Claire McCaskill had a short window to kick Akin's ass she did not do it. Soon his weathering this storm will be seen as Stoic, Faithful, Reliable, Patient. The Abortion Thing (TM) will be forgiven, if he is even now, Reince will (no matter what he says) will be quietly getting money there in the near future...

 

Saw an Akin ad last night on St. Louis television.....it was ok.  Said his 6 second mistake was well known but That Claire McCaskill's 6 year record was not and then went on to highlight her faults. 

 

Akin has 1 shot here and that is to trash McCaskill so bad that the middle/subuurban moms all tune the race out nd decide no vote is better than a vote, leaving it a fight between bases.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 31, 2012 07:01 AM (OWjjx)

387 >>Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 11:56 AM (8gs37)


Just joking, believe me I throw sympathy around like fucking cast iron manhole covers.

Posted by: ontherocks at August 31, 2012 07:02 AM (aZ6ew)

388 A mean-spirited empty chair ... could there be a better metaphor?

Posted by: MaxMBJ at August 31, 2012 10:22 AM (lOlyY)


Repeat

A mean-spirited empty chair ... could there be a better metaphor?


A mean-spirited empty chair ... could there be a better metaphor?


Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at August 31, 2012 07:02 AM (8BaAK)

389 Any lardass who takes a state chopper to his kid's baseball game is no fiscal hero of mine. Fact is the precedent has long been in place that religious groups have lobbyists on the Hill to make sure they get their hands on taxpayer money. There was a lot they willingly forgave Bush, because he threw so much money at them. Obama has continued that tradition. I'm more libertarian and believe religion enjoys more freedom when it's less dependent on government for funding. But Akin and Huckabee have opened up a split between evangelicals who like that money coming in -- the first thing Akin did was meet with his lobbyist friends who had weathered similar storms like Vitter the Shitter and try to calculate the fallout -- and libertarian minded and establishment Republicans. The former are the tea party movement, and I suspect Huckabee and friends have been screwing with then. They don't like fiscal restraint, and they're holding onto whatever influence with the establishment they had. Bush was their bagman.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 07:02 AM (i0vBR)

390 My ex-girlfriend will never vote for Romney because he put a dog on the roof of his car.  Not because of any of the real issues facing our country today.  But because of the dog thing.  "He's Terrible!"  This is the thinking of the libtards of this country and why I will remain nervous until the votes are counted in November.  They just can't see the big picture.

Posted by: bknsty14 at August 31, 2012 07:04 AM (ATZsv)

391 "They just can't see the big picture."

One often has to question just what the &%!!@* picture it is they're seeing...

Posted by: Chariots of Toast at August 31, 2012 07:06 AM (ksERZ)

392 I had no intention of watching the RNC. I tuned in to see what Clint would do. I got it. I stayed around for the rest. Romney was a pleasant, if bland, surprise. Rubio was not as exciting as I had expected. The Romney film was great. Bottom line, they hooked me in with Clint and I am not disappointed in our side this time.

But there was more passion and honest humanity in Clint's modest 82 year old delivery than in Romney or Rubio. They need to work on that.

Posted by: SurferDoc at August 31, 2012 07:06 AM (6H6FZ)

393 Akin will not be able to overcome McCaskill's money advantage. He thinks he can, because truth is on hos side. But he immediately tried to take back everything he said. This isn't about the pro-life movement anymore. It's about the Republican party platform, and Akin will easily he painted as too ideologically stringent for most undecided voters. So much so that he will make up his own reality to pursue an extreme agenda. The damage he did is irreparable.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 07:08 AM (i0vBR)

394 I feel your pain. I have in-laws who live the kind of lifestyle that Democrats are actively trying to stamp out (homeschoolers, value independence), and yet they vote Democrat. The reasons they gave were all media-supplied.

Posted by: Mindy at August 31, 2012 11:58 AM (601AC)

 

Most of my family are Democrats - JFK Democrats, which used to mean anti-communist, fiscally responsible Democrats. (RIP) I always bust on them: You live like Republicans but you vote Democrat.

 

They are hardworking, conservative in their family lives (no feminists...the closest is my big sis, and even she belonged to Pro-Life Feminists.) Anyway, it's probably why I don't exhibit as much murderous contempt for Democrats and liberals in general, because there are some I know and love, even while I work day in and day out to defeat their politicians.

Posted by: CJ at August 31, 2012 07:08 AM (9KqcB)

395 My ex-girlfriend will never vote for Romney because he put a dog on the roof of his car. The dog eating didn't neutralize that?

Posted by: toby928 at August 31, 2012 07:10 AM (QupBk)

396 The one topic that unites us all here at the HQ..............The Greatness.........That Is.........Zach Greinke!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 31, 2012 07:10 AM (OWjjx)

397 Captain Hate: You didn't fail to communicate here. I always get exactly what you mean and usually was thinking along the same lines.

Posted by: SurferDoc at August 31, 2012 07:10 AM (6H6FZ)

398 Obama's response with the chair gives Clint the win. Especially since SCOAMF said on Reddit that he wouldn't watch the Convention, 'but they should. Where is Factcheck.org??? Obama LIED about watching the convention!!!!eleventy!!@11

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262 at August 31, 2012 07:12 AM (UU0OF)

399 Had an ill informed lady at work confide in me the other night that she just couldn't vote for "the rich guy"(didn't even remember his name).

I told her that he was a hell of a lot better than the communist.
She looked at me weirdly and asked who was the communist, and I told her the other rich guy, the lazy one.


I know, I know, ...........raaaacccissst.

.........whatever

Posted by: ontherocks at August 31, 2012 07:12 AM (aZ6ew)

400 One often has to question just what the %!!@* picture it is they're seeing...

I think the picture they are seeing is the picture of free shit...

She also called Romney pompous and fake.  Has she seen the dipshit in office???  Talk about pompous and fake.

Posted by: bknsty14 at August 31, 2012 07:12 AM (ATZsv)

401 The dog eating didn't neutralize that?

"This was as a child, in Indonesia."

There is no arguing with liberals.  We all know that. They are just so dense.

Posted by: bknsty14 at August 31, 2012 07:15 AM (ATZsv)

402 Captain Hate: You didn't fail to communicate here. I always get exactly what you mean and usually was thinking along the same lines.

Posted by: SurferDoc at August 31, 2012 12:10 PM (6H6FZ)



How I post here is generally how I talk, obscenities and all.  How my wife remains immune to my logic is a mystery that I'm still trying to figure out.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny solidarity) at August 31, 2012 07:20 AM (8gs37)

403 My wife Votes for who I tell her to.  Her Sister in law is mortified, but we get a kick out of watching her spew her feminism speech and lecture us on how hard women worked to get to vote.  In the end my wife just trusts my judgement on politics and chooses not to pay attention for herself.

Posted by: Polazeris at August 31, 2012 07:27 AM (zji3t)

404 393 Akin will not be able to overcome McCaskill's money advantage...The damage he did is irreparable.

Yup. It's this kind of stupid that reinforces negative sterotypes about the GOP brand. The distortions from the Baghdad Bob Media are bad enough without our own fragging us.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at August 31, 2012 07:27 AM (+XVQe)

405 Rush is quoting a James Carville (and Greenberg) poll of Indies, and Romney is up 15% over O. It was a poll that was released just before yesterday's GOP convention win.

Posted by: we need to see that poll at August 31, 2012 07:45 AM (IPhbB)

406 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 31, 2012 07:45 AM (6o4Fb)

407 So we had walking vaginas.

I can't wait to see what Democrats have for gay marriage. Hopefully it won't involve an anus costume.

Posted by: Exile at August 31, 2012 08:01 AM (y39mg)

408 Anyone saying that evangelicals want a bigger presence of government in their lives does not know too many evangelicals.

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at August 31, 2012 08:03 AM (P6QsQ)

409 My wife Votes for who I tell her to....... In the end my wife just trusts my judgement on politics and chooses not to pay attention for herself.

Posted by: Polazeris at August 31, 2012 12:27 PM (zji3t)



--------------


Similar situation here. My daughter usually calls me on her way to the polls and asks me who she's supposed to vote for.

Posted by: mama winger in paul ryan's district at August 31, 2012 08:07 AM (P6QsQ)

410 Conservatives need to understand that the sweetest revenge will be making Obama a one term President.

I'm amazed how many morons actually think Romney is making a mistake by not calling Obama a "jug-eared Kenyan Marxist". 

Getting rid of the first black president has to be handled with finesse,  Rove and Romney seem to understand that.

For the record, I think Romney will win by a margin bigger than Bush did in 2004.

Posted by: Jalopy at August 31, 2012 08:09 AM (0kf1G)

411

I have followed Romney for a while... those two stories were completely new to me.

But I have heard at least 5 or 6 similar stories.

I don't know why those aren't made into commericials.

We could make this about good versus selfishness, if we were brave enough.

Mitt Romney is good.  Very very good.  And not just a lonely little good person... he is sucessful at everything he does, and has the most integrity... the biggest, most awful lie of the Primary was that he didn't.

But I don't think we are brave enough to exploit Mitt's goodness enough.

Posted by: Petunia at August 31, 2012 08:11 AM (hgrmi)

412 OK - just got my coffee and a pack of cigs - Walgreens here is playing Tommy Dorsey - should be expected as it's on Dinah Shore Dr. I love it here. 18 pack of Coors Light is cheaper than a 12 pack of Coors Light. Oh, now to my point. Great post Drew.

Posted by: Journolist From an undisclosed location off of Frank Sinatra Drive at August 31, 2012 08:28 AM (VSfsH)

413 Dammit!!! They scrapped the 12 foot high sand sculpture of SCOAMF because of 'security' reasons.

Posted by: RWC at August 31, 2012 08:33 AM (fWAjv)

414

We better stay away from Romney's actual real world compassion-we might open the floodgates for Obama to swamp the R's with the similar acts that are undoubtedly there in his past.  Right? 

Posted by: ejo at August 31, 2012 08:45 AM (ztRKw)

415 Got a call from my cousin this morning, lifelong democrat from a line of democrats - She watched every one of the speakers ( something she has never done) and was excited about how they all portrayed values that are important to her.  She saw a big contrast from what the media has been saying and what she saw with her own two eyes.  She FELT the speakers sincerity - that says a lot to me.  She is a converted - confirmed Mitt voter and boy that feels good to me!  So Rove's thinking is dead on - let the left bury themselves in special interest groups that do not matter to middle Americans like my cousin.  She was also struck by the family values and family as a core way of life in America AND she went on and on about "why are we bashing success in our Country" - we've always been happy for peoples success.  I'd say RNC hit a home run with my cousin a 65 yr old life long democrat.  She realizes her party has left her.
PS - She LOVED Clint Eastwood!

Posted by: Kmac at August 31, 2012 08:49 AM (FCDZ9)

416 Getting rid of the first black president has to be handled with finesse, Rove and Romney seem to understand that.  Posted by: Jalopy at August 31, 2012 01:09 PM (0kf1G)

It is ticklish and any time anything comes close to dinging the obama image, it is deemed racist and vilified.  However, the one thing that has to be scaring the JEF's camp silly is that the "voting for the First Black POTUS is just so historically important that I can't stand to miss it" impulse buy of obama is GONE, GWTW.   When you couple that with the fact that is he clearly and completely embodies the absolute worst attributes and actions of the abysmally bad Affirmative Action hire that anyone ever had to endure in the workplace. 


Posted by: Will Be Taking Applications and Assimilating The Love-slaves at August 31, 2012 09:14 AM (kXoT0)

417 Different take on Eastwood. He's an actor. He gave a performance. Here's a guy who was born in 1930 dragging himself on the stage to play himself with Obama as the invisible Charlie McCarthy dummy. With way more gravitas than Woody Allen. There was a certain amount of tension as he rambled through the skit. Would he be able to make it through, or would an apologetic nurse enter stage right to tell us he had escaped from the old age home? He drew us in! But then the punch line: "We own this country... Politicians are employees of ours... When somebody does not do the job, we've got to let them go." Ann Althouse's take: '...this was a play on something Romney said, something that's been used against Romney: "I like being able to fire people." Clint imposed the correct interpretation on that: When somebody does not do the job, we've got to let them go.' All in all, I thought it was a damn effective performance that sticks in the mind way better than the dutifully competent but bland tasting words in Romney's acceptance speech. Hey, Romney's bland. We know that. The frogs also found out that King Log was a better deal than King Stork. Clint Eastwood is an original and I'm glad he's on our side.

Posted by: StephenFearby at August 31, 2012 09:31 AM (RL2r3)

418 Drew is in the demographic that didn't get Clint's speech. You can usually identify the guys like that, under 40, living in a city.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 31, 2012 09:39 AM (r4wIV)

419 "Rove urged every attendee to apply pressure on Akin to convince him to leave the race. “We have five people who are interested” in replacing Akin, Rove said. “We don’t care who the nominee is, other than get Akin out.” What was it Scott Brown said, it wasn't Kennedy's seat, it was the people's seat? The Constitution says Missouri decides who gets on the ballot for Senator and Missouri held elections. It makes no reference for what Karl Rove and his donors would rather.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at August 31, 2012 09:45 AM (3GtyG)

420 I just listened to Clint's bit again without visuals - it's awesome.  It has definitely struck a chord with the libs on my FB and it's in their heads deep.  I think they're still in disbelief that someone from Hollywood, especially and icon like Clint sees anything wrong Obama, jaws dropping in disbelief.  Kind of fun to see them trying to make light of it and very telling.

Posted by: Kmac at August 31, 2012 09:47 AM (FCDZ9)

421 How many people watch the speeches in a row nowadays? I assume its Republicans who watch the whole show. I assume that Independents are watching Netflix. BUT, they might watch Clint on Youtube, like I just did. Yeah he slows down some places, but its like he is NON-POLITICAL, like he doesn't really want to be political, but he has to say these sad truths. Excellent, I say. "Sometimes you gotta let them go." "Politicians are employees." Those are two line mushy independents get.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 31, 2012 09:56 AM (dZQh7)

422 "dragging himself on stage" because the country needs to hear this. Not because he wants to do it. No choice. Like an old WW II sarge re-upping for Korea.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 31, 2012 09:58 AM (dZQh7)

423 "Anyone saying that evangelicals want a bigger presence of government in their lives does not know too many evangelicals." Actions speak louder than words.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 31, 2012 10:25 AM (i0vBR)

424

"Nothing  stupid was said"  ?!?!?! What planet do you live on, DrewM? Karl Rove joked about MURDERING Todd Akin, for God's sake:

 

http://tinyurl.com/9cnr5gt

 

Oh, and you're totally wrong about  Clint Eastwood, too. He brought it and we owe him a HUGE thank you. Good Lord.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 31, 2012 02:14 PM (KL49F)

425

Rove's joke about his murdering Akin makes this article even more believable. The RNC is acting like the MAFIA and is bribing churches, for God's sake. Churches!

 

http://tinyurl.com/8nb8n5b

Huckabee was right when he asked "who ordered the Code Red on Akin?" That snake, Reince Preibus, that's who.

 

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 31, 2012 02:21 PM (KL49F)

426 Oh, and Akin's pulled back into the lead, just so you know. He's now 3 points over McCaskil 45% to 42%. Suck it. You can thanks Evangelicals and  free-thinking conservatives later.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 31, 2012 02:22 PM (KL49F)

427 Sorry, but Rubio won't ever be President. He's not very tall, and he's going bald. (Yes, we have a shallow electorate.) His personal story is great, but it's simply not going to be all that inspiring anymore after people have heard about it for four or eight more years. His shot at becoming president some day was this year, getting picked by Romney as the VP candidate, and then becoming the front-runner in 2016 (if Mitt loses) or 2020 (if Mitt wins). But Ryan got picked instead. So, I hope he has a nice long career in the US Senate.

Posted by: RE at August 31, 2012 03:18 PM (yap/D)

428 And incidentally, I think we have a good shot of picking up a lot more Senate seats than just the few everyone seems to be focusing on. While we are gonna lose Maine, we have a reasonable chance of holding everything else, and could pick up as many eight Dem seats, for a net total of +7.

Posted by: RE at August 31, 2012 03:34 PM (yap/D)

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