June 29, 2011

Imagine There's No Double-Taxation of Corporate Income: John Lennon Swung Right Late In Life?
— rdbrewer

Closet conservative and Reagan fan?

John Lennon was a closet Republican, who felt a little embarrassed by his former radicalism, at the time of his death - according to the tragic Beatles star's last personal assistant.

Fred Seaman worked alongside the music legend from 1979 to Lennon's death at the end of 1980 and he reveals the star was a Ronald Reagan fan who enjoyed arguing with left-wing radicals who reminded him of his former self.

In new documentary Beatles Stories, Seaman tells filmmaker Seth Swirsky Lennon wasn't the peace-loving militant fans thought he was while he was his assistant.

Interesting. As much as I've heard and read about Lennon's life, I don't recall anything from the late 70's. I was just a kid, but it seemed like he was out of the high-profile, professional radical business by then. On the other hand, being a Republican at that time would have been the radical thing, especially in his social circle.


"OBAMINATION" Parody of "Imagine" John Lennon by Yakwild

Hooboy. That's muy lame, but it's topical.

Added: Now we know why Yoko felt this way . . .

Posted by: rdbrewer at 08:35 AM | Comments (240)
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1 Well, I think he also enjoyed being a contrarion and he would strike me as the type to needle people by taking a non-politically-correct view.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 29, 2011 08:38 AM (T0NGe)

2 seems as though the appeals court in Cincy has upheld Obama's federal mandated health insurance. Fuckers

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Dad at June 29, 2011 08:38 AM (YulS3)

3 A conservative is a liberal who woke up next to Yoko Ono.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 29, 2011 08:40 AM (FkKjr)

4 That's actually kinda interesting ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at June 29, 2011 08:40 AM (GvYeG)

5 Rickenbachers are great guitars.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 29, 2011 08:41 AM (dZ756)

6 Does this mean that conservatives (some at this site) still want to piss on his grave?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 08:42 AM (pLTLS)

7 C'mon, the explanation is simple:  why do you think lots of British bands fled Britain during the 70's?  Taxes.  They hated paying out most of their rockstar income to the dysfunctional British state, so they fled to various tax havens or to the U.S. because true tax havens get boring (and suck for tours).

Posted by: SFGoth at June 29, 2011 08:43 AM (dZ756)

8 Maybe if he made a video about why he quit the beatles he could be elected

Posted by: MB at June 29, 2011 08:43 AM (NhP76)

9 I think AmishDude's comment probably says it all.

Posted by: WilliamWallace at June 29, 2011 08:43 AM (9IttK)

10
He must have got a look at his tax bill. Too bad Joe Strummer didn't come around before he died.

Posted by: BM at June 29, 2011 08:44 AM (qMymA)

11

On the other hand, being a Republican at that time would have been the radical thing, especially in his social circle.

Marylin Mason (?) also claims to be a Republican;  it could be John Lennon was merely taking up the mantle of Republicanism to be a counter to the innumerable left-tards in his social circles.  Some people like playing Devil's Advocate. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 29, 2011 08:45 AM (9hSKh)

12 I've always thought Lennon was philosophically a libertarian. As a result, he shifted from Left to Right without really giving up his basic beliefs.

I suspect that, had he lived, he'd have turned into a "throw 'em all out" gadfly.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 29, 2011 08:46 AM (bjRNS)

13
apparently none of it rubbed off on his idiot wife Oko

Posted by: soothsayer at June 29, 2011 08:46 AM (G/zuv)

14 In the same vein, I like this as she's one of my favorite, er, make that favourite, gals.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 08:46 AM (pLTLS)

15 I don't believe it.  Everyone should pay their taxes.

Posted by: Bono at June 29, 2011 08:48 AM (yQWNf)

16 Churchill's maxim proved once again.

I was a freshman in college when Lennon was killed.  Even my curmudgeonly old man (career military) always thought Lennon and the Beatles were very talented, though we disagreed with their politics.  It is gratifying to hear that some significant artists realize the folly of leftism late in life.  Mamet, Lennon.  

Posted by: Alamo at June 29, 2011 08:48 AM (Mqupr)

17 If you drive a car, I'll tax the street
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet....

Posted by: Zolmbie GOP fan Lennon but not the Taxman at June 29, 2011 08:49 AM (pLTLS)

18 Hey, with Bono avoiding taxes, ya think....  Naaa.  But....

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 29, 2011 08:49 AM (Sfu+M)

19 7 C'mon, the explanation is simple:  why do you think lots of British bands fled Britain during the 70's?  Taxes.  They hated paying out most of their rockstar income to the dysfunctional British state, so they fled to various tax havens or to the U.S. because true tax havens get boring (and suck for tours).
There's one for you and nineteen for me...   The Taxman cometh!   We do say that a conservative is a liberal mugged by reality...perhaps Lennon should be added as an example of that.   

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 29, 2011 08:49 AM (9hSKh)

20 And yet, Paul McCartney remains a brain-dead liberal douche.

What a shame.

Posted by: wiserbud at June 29, 2011 08:50 AM (3Okgs)

21 That cobra tax is a bitch ... I'm tellin' ya ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at June 29, 2011 08:50 AM (GvYeG)

22 Lennon was always the smart one.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 29, 2011 08:50 AM (Sfu+M)

23 O/T, they should give Ringo a knighthood.  I mean, come on.  Talk about feeling left out.  Hell, they gave one to Geldoff.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 29, 2011 08:51 AM (Sfu+M)

24

Lennon toyed with the radical stuff in the late 60s, but thought they were phonies and said so in songs.

I had not heard that he was a Reagan fan, but I think I'd known or assumed right along that he learned to hate smug leftist pricks, just  as I did, in the Carter years.

Here's hoping that the Obama years will have the same effect on the new gen. of lefting leaning younguns.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 29, 2011 08:52 AM (K/USr)

25 Oh and, "Imagine" sucks.

Posted by: glowing blue meat at June 29, 2011 08:52 AM (K/USr)

26 Bono has said that GW Bush had done more for Africa that all of the other presidents combined.  He also strikes me as a no nonsense kind of guy.  RD I think he actually might be one of us.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 29, 2011 08:53 AM (yQWNf)

27 British taxes in the late 60's early 70's were up to 98% on income. It is the real reason the Stones left and lived in France and Switzerland, then America. The only reason that they are associated with the left was because they were anti-Nixon. Nixon was focusing on them due to drugs and social mores and making their lives hard. Bottom line, they were and still are businessmen. As such you avoid expenses whenever and wherever you can.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at June 29, 2011 08:55 AM (0M3AQ)

28 And yet, Paul McCartney remains a brain-dead liberal douche.

Commercial viability.

Posted by: nickless at June 29, 2011 08:56 AM (MMC8r)

29

On the one hand, Lennon could have moved ten miles to the right and still been a contrarian douche-bag radical leftist, with one hand tied behind his back on any given day and twice on Sunday.

But on the other hand, cool Rickenbacker.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 29, 2011 08:57 AM (WvXvd)

30 Cute headline, but who really cares?  I don't care when Elvis Costello is a political a-hole, and I don't care if Lennon figured it out.

Posted by: ParisParamus at June 29, 2011 08:59 AM (cdCC7)

31

I'd take this with a grain of salt considering the source - Seaman got sued for stealing Lennon's diaries.  Growing more conservative with age and experience is only natural, but Lennon had a long road to travel to Ronnie from where he started. 

Re: Bono, I love the guy's music but I don't see him as "one of us."  I thought he at least put his money where his populism was, but the tax evasion has soured me on him.  I'm someone who is really pissed about the world treating Africa shabbily (let's save the pelicans by letting Africans die of malaria, for instance) but dime-store sloganeering and bullshit benefit concerts that end up sending money to militias aren't the answer.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at June 29, 2011 09:00 AM (jxW5N)

32 I call BS

Posted by: Cherry π at June 29, 2011 09:01 AM (OhYCU)

33

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 01:46 PM (pLTLS)

Thanks for the link. From the article....

If you lose the glitterati, the jig is up. No less than Oprah, the doyenne of celebrity, confessed to Piers Morgan in January that she finds filing taxes painful. Her accountants bring her the forms — and her tequila. Not surprisingly, Oprah, who backed Obama in 2008, has declined to endorse him for 2012.

I was channel flipping and saw Oprah. She was talking to the one lady relationship guru she used to have on in the 1990's. The lady was telling how she went bankrupt.

Oprah told the audience that her studio has a room set aside just for the IRS people since 'if they're going to be there so often, they might as well be comfortable." She also commented that what people don't realise is that if you make $1 million US, that's only $580,000. She should know. It was interesting.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at June 29, 2011 09:01 AM (GKQDR)

34 This is probably like that "Gary Oldman is a conservative" rumor that was false.

Posted by: PBoilermaker at June 29, 2011 09:01 AM (jU2vI)

35 Eventually the drugs wear off.

Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2011 09:02 AM (VndSC)

36 Lennon was a cynic to the bone, and would have blasted the charlatans on his own side too;

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

Posted by: kbdabear at June 29, 2011 09:03 AM (so1xa)

37

SHRIEEEEEEEEEEK!

ARRRRGGHGHHHHHHH!

YIP! YIP! YIP! YIP! YIP!

 

That will be $3500.00 please. You may use this convenient credit card swiper if you wish.

Posted by: Yoko Ono Performance Art at June 29, 2011 09:04 AM (w41GQ)

38 Lennon: I think I'll move to downtown Manhattan, live like Garbo, visit antique shops, nightclubs, wow the kids when I jam with them....
McCartney, Harrison, Starr: Um, ok, you do that. We'll move to our Xanadus so that we can, ya know, live.

Posted by: Dr. O at June 29, 2011 09:05 AM (uw1V8)

39 But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

Posted by: McCartney/Lennon at June 29, 2011 09:06 AM (ENKCw)

40 When it was pointed out that a Beatles reunion could possibly raise $200 million for a poverty-stricken country in South America, Lennon had no time for it. “You know, America has poured billions into places like that. It doesn’t mean a damn thing. After they’ve eaten that meal, then what? It lasts for only a day. After the $200,000,000 is gone, then what? It goes round and round in circles…You can pour money in forever. After Peru, then Harlem, then Britain. There is no one concert. We would have to dedicate the rest of our lives to one world concert tour, and I’m not ready for it.”

Posted by: bneville at June 29, 2011 09:06 AM (01wv1)

41

Posted by: kbdabear at June 29, 2011 02:03 PM (so1xa)

Beat me to it, kbdabear.

I remember listening to Lennon's last radio interview (it might have been the night he was killed, or soon before) and he spoke of Reagan (pronouncing it Ree-gan) and observing how the electorate swings Left and then Right through the years. There was none of the typical liberal hand-wringing over the 'warmongering cowboy.'

 

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 09:06 AM (9KqcB)

Posted by: kbdabear at June 29, 2011 09:07 AM (so1xa)

43 #30 Actually, I do care:  Costello is dead to me.

Posted by: ParisParamus at June 29, 2011 09:07 AM (cdCC7)

44 The only advice you should take from a musician is is who makes the best instruments and who has the best weed. Enjoy their craft, Ignore their opinions.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 09:07 AM (NtTkA)

45 Growing more conservative with age and experience is only natural It's just called 'growing up'. Which you don't have to do if you're living off the State.

Posted by: t-bird at June 29, 2011 09:07 AM (FcR7P)

46 I was having a recent discussion about how nobody is really a socialist.  Most that claim to be are not really one themselves but rather they really just want everyone else to be a socialist.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at June 29, 2011 09:08 AM (C2//T)

47 The adage played out of the liberal youth with heart who ages to become conservative with maturing wisdom.


 

Posted by: maverick muse at June 29, 2011 09:08 AM (lpWVn)

48 Posted by: kbdabear at June 29, 2011 02:03 PM (so1xa)
 
Beat me to it I see.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 29, 2011 09:08 AM (ENKCw)

49 Posted by: Yoko Ono Performance Art at June 29, 2011 02:04 PM

Good idea!  Video added.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 29, 2011 09:09 AM (Sfu+M)

50

Some libs finally get a clue, once they have children... the shock to the worldview is pretty significant...

Some however, are so dense that shock teaches them nothing.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2011 09:09 AM (NtXW4)

51 I'm still trying to recover from that May Pang book recalling Yoko's placenta going bad in the refrigerator.  I think John forgot to eat it. 

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 29, 2011 09:10 AM (HaYO4)

52 I remember my dad losing his mind when he overheard me playing "Back in the USSR" on my new stereo. I hadn't a clue and thought he was being a lunatic. I imagine now that I would react the same way.

Posted by: dagny at June 29, 2011 09:10 AM (lI74M)

53 I remember reading a piece a year or so ago about Lennon being a libertarian in his later years so this doesn't surprise me much.  Imagine is a stupid, overrated piece of crap song, both musically and lyrically.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at June 29, 2011 09:10 AM (sVk8z)

54 I believe this as much as I believe Bono is a Republican/Conservative.  Fuckers all like to talk about taxing the rich for redistribution, but when it comes time to fork it over themselves they write songs like "Taxman".


Posted by: EC at June 29, 2011 09:10 AM (GQ8sn)

55 OT Looks like Obama's presser killed the stock rally.

Posted by: kansas at June 29, 2011 09:11 AM (mka2b)

56 This thread is centrist!

Posted by: moderation in all things at June 29, 2011 09:11 AM (lpWVn)

57 Does this mean that conservatives (some at this site) still want to piss on his grave?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 01:42 PM (pLTLS)

Not me. All we listened to in high school was the Beatles - a decade after they had broken up. It wasn't until later that I went back and appreciated Zepplin, AC/DC, Genesis and the rest of the stuff I was supposed to be listening to.

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 09:12 AM (9KqcB)

58 #38/ although, it didn't really work, see Harrison, G.

Posted by: Dr. O at June 29, 2011 09:12 AM (uw1V8)

59 Fuckers all like to talk about taxing the rich for redistribution, but when it comes time to fork it over themselves they write songs like "Taxman".

Posted by: EC at June 29, 2011 02:10 PM (GQ8sn)

That was George Harrison, but your point is valid. I've noticed that too.

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 09:13 AM (9KqcB)

60

But if you go wearing a shirt with Che,
You're pegged as a retard anyway ...

Posted by: zombie John Lennon at June 29, 2011 09:14 AM (so1xa)

61 Yeah I don't believe it. It sounds like a money making scheme or an attempt to shine the turd and refurbish his image with people that knew he was a turd.

Posted by: Marcus at June 29, 2011 09:14 AM (CHrmZ)

62 Never had any use for the beatles, lennon less so.

Posted by: Berserker at June 29, 2011 09:15 AM (FMbng)

63 48 Posted by: kbdabear at June 29, 2011 02:03 PM
 
Beat me to it I see.
Posted by: GnuBreed at June 29, 2011 02:08 PM

Ha-HAHHH!!

Posted by: Nelson Muntz at June 29, 2011 09:16 AM (so1xa)

64 54 I believe this as much as I believe Bono is a Republican/Conservative.  Fuckers all like to talk about taxing the rich for redistribution, but when it comes time to fork it over themselves they write songs like "Taxman".


Posted by: EC at June 29, 2011 02:10 PM (GQ8sn)

That is the point. With Lennon, once he had it , likely wanted to keep it. With Bono...remember he is Irish and is behind the 8 ball to begin with. But he is Christian, so that is where his conservativism comes in.

Posted by: cannot stand working with MOOORMANS at June 29, 2011 09:17 AM (SPVfc)

65 Yoko Ono......

With lyrics, by Stuck Mojo.

Posted by: Sponge at June 29, 2011 09:17 AM (UK9cE)

66 Oh no no no no nooo!!!!

A 70 year old John Lennon would have toured with a 50 year old Princess Di to have rich people who aren't me or my friends fork it all over to feed the hungry !!!!!

All in high fashion of course !!!!

Posted by: Talking Tina Brown !!! at June 29, 2011 09:18 AM (so1xa)

67 Bono has said that GW Bush had done more for Africa that all of the other presidents combined.  He also strikes me as a no nonsense kind of guy.  RD I think he actually might be one of us.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 29, 2011 01:53 PM (yQWNf)

No, it just means Bush pledged more billions than Clinton did. Yet another example of W pulling the rug out from under conservative ideas. Turns out lack of money WAS Africa's biggest problem, not corruption and systemic dysfunction.

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 09:19 AM (9KqcB)

68 I was wait-listed for a Zappa class in collij (BA - state school - of course they offered these type of classes!), so I took History of the Beatles instead.

I was pleasantly surprised at how good the class was - I had pretty low expectations going in.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 09:19 AM (pLTLS)

69 But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow....

Posted by: stuiec at June 29, 2011 09:20 AM (1beh4)

70 When the Beatles took that famous trip to India to meditate with the Maharishi, George and Paul ate it all up

John left after a week in disgust after he saw the Maharishi groping a few young girls.

He rightly pegged the Maharishi as a money grubbing old lecher

Posted by: kbdabear at June 29, 2011 09:21 AM (so1xa)

71

That is the point. With Lennon, once he had it , likely wanted to keep it. With Bono...remember he is Irish and is behind the 8 ball to begin with. But he is Christian, so that is where his conservativism comes in.

Posted by: cannot stand working with MOOORMANS at June 29, 2011 02:17 PM (SPVfc)


It's surprising how many rich celebs are closet conservatives. 

Posted by: EC at June 29, 2011 09:21 AM (GQ8sn)

72

No really!  This makes sense!  Subsidies to foreign companies to produce oil, penalties to U.S. companies.  Perfect sense.  Where did I leave my valium?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 29, 2011 09:22 AM (jx2j9)

73 They are just a bunch of musicians that grow up like the rest of us as we get older, we start to see things a bit or a lot differnelty. Difference is, their stupidity is etched in wax.....oooops....dating myself.

Posted by: giftogab at June 29, 2011 09:23 AM (SPVfc)

74 Why all the hate for Chairman Mao? He's my favorite philosopher.

Posted by: Anita Dunn at June 29, 2011 09:24 AM (ENKCw)

75

He warn't no stinkin radical. Like Dylan, he just wanted to be the next Elvis. All the rest was pandaring...oops, we means fluff.

 

Posted by: Cricket at June 29, 2011 09:25 AM (bViNN)

76 Bono has said that GW Bush had done more for Africa that all of the other presidents combined.  He also strikes me as a no nonsense kind of guy.  RD I think he actually might be one of us.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 29, 2011 01:53 PM (yQWNf)



So, explain to me why Bono, the dickhead, was at the DNC convention in 04 telling ME that I HAD TO VOTE FOR KERRY!?!

Fuck Bono and the Irish boat he came in on.

Posted by: Sponge at June 29, 2011 09:25 AM (UK9cE)

77

When the Beatles took that famous trip to India to meditate with the Maharishi, George and Paul ate it all up John left after a week in disgust after he saw the Maharishi groping a few young girls.

And Ringo was accidentally left behind at the train station. No one noticed.

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 09:26 AM (9KqcB)

78 "Too bad Joe Strummer didn't come around before he died." I read some vaguely pro-war-on-terror comments from Strummer not long before he died. So maybe he did come around, at least a bit.

Posted by: tsj017 at June 29, 2011 09:26 AM (4YUWF)

79 Who was the black comedian who said "I'm a Democrat on Election Day but I'm a Republican on April 15th" ?

Posted by: kbdabear at June 29, 2011 09:26 AM (so1xa)

80

I was pleasantly surprised at how good the class was - I had pretty low expectations going in.

Was that part of an actual degree program?

Posted by: Homer, Thucydides, Cicero, Locke and Smith at June 29, 2011 09:27 AM (QKKT0)

81 Total bs by Fred Seaman, who is a proven liar.

Posted by: carlito at June 29, 2011 09:29 AM (7odi3)

82 It's amazing how lucid one can be when Dr. Robert isn't popping by for weekly visits.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 09:29 AM (pLTLS)

83 80 Elective. Although they did offer a Music History degree.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 09:30 AM (pLTLS)

84 Was he the one who gave up his life of luxury to live in a commune sans electricity, plumbing, etc. ? Or was that another Beatle? I confuse them all, they are/were all equally annoying ugly untalented cliche and their music wildly, maniacally overrated.

Posted by: Chellita at June 29, 2011 09:31 AM (f1N7o)

85 It would have been interesting to see him now, and yelling "Get off my lawn!" at the Dakota.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 29, 2011 09:31 AM (UOM48)

86

The show (Monday Night Football) became a celebrity magnet for the likes of Arnold Schwarzenegger, Placido Domingo, Burt Reynolds, John Denver . . . and Kermit the Frog.
 

The most fascinating episode, however, involved Lennon and President Ronald Reagan, then governor of California. Each figure embodied part of the cultural divide of the time, Lennon the protesting pacifist pop star, Reagan the hard-line conservative leader. Gifford had invited them to appear on the same show in the early '70s, assuming Lennon would be a no-show.
 

To Gifford's surprise, he looked over his shoulder during the broadcast and spotted the two waiting together.
 

''Governor Reagan had his arm around John Lennon and he was explaining American football to him," Gifford said. ''Only on 'Monday Night Football' would you get those two guys, who were poles apart, united."
 

Their appearance prompted some swift maneuvering by Cosell, who initially planned to interview Reagan but anticipated the audience's keener interest in Lennon.
 

''Giffer," Gifford recalled Cosell abruptly stating, ''you take the governor and I'll take the Beatle."

Posted by: Eric at June 29, 2011 09:32 AM (3f3uN)

87 Oh good, now we can bash Yoko Ono instead of each other.

Posted by: joncelli at June 29, 2011 09:33 AM (RD7QR)

88 And Ringo was accidentally left behind at the train station. No one noticed.

Just think, the original drummer needed to be replaced because he wasn't good enough. Replaced by Ringo. That's an indictment of one's skills.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 29, 2011 09:34 AM (7EV/g)

89 I sang at Rush's wedding.
We both hate Fred Phelps.
You decide.

Posted by: Elton John at June 29, 2011 09:34 AM (wOaLi)

90 The MNF tidbit is interesting in light of the announcement of his death on MNF.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 09:34 AM (pLTLS)

91 He rightly pegged the Maharishi as a money grubbing old lecher

Actually, Maharishi was upset that all they cared about was doing drugs. You know who didn't ever claim Maharishi had groped Mia Farrow? Right, that one.

Posted by: Dr. O at June 29, 2011 09:36 AM (uw1V8)

92 In the latest "you've got to be fucking kidding me" news:
 
In the latest ‘you’ve got to be kidding’ news from the United Nations, North Korea assumed the presidency of the Conference on Disarmament Tuesday.

“Bare months after the U.N. finally suspended Libya’s Col. Muammar Qaddafi from its Human Rights Council, North Korea wins the propaganda coup of heading the world’s disarmament agency,” the executive director of UN Watch Hillel Neuer said in a statement protesting the move. “It’s asking the fox to guard the chickens, and damages the U.N.’s credibility.”
 
I may have added a word in my description.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 29, 2011 09:36 AM (ENKCw)

93 Does anyone have a copy of Rolling Stone with the article The Lost Lennon Tapes?  This might shed some light on this.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 29, 2011 09:36 AM (OhYCU)

94 The interview was done a few days before he died.

Posted by: Cherry π at June 29, 2011 09:37 AM (OhYCU)

95 Wishcasting.

Posted by: Truman North at June 29, 2011 09:38 AM (K2wpv)

96 Maybe if he made a video about why he quit the beatles he could be elected

/winning

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at June 29, 2011 09:38 AM (HwE/1)

97 This might shed some light on this.

Right.

Like how the LA Times shed light on those Obama/Khalidi tapes? Like that?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 09:39 AM (pLTLS)

98

Good news for our side!  Finally, objective proof (as if we needed it) that George Sephanopolous is an idiot.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 29, 2011 09:39 AM (jx2j9)

99 and their music wildly, maniacally overrated.

Posted by: Chellita at June 29, 2011 02:31 PM (f1N7o)

I'm glad somebody said it.

I will say that it has not aged well.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 29, 2011 09:40 AM (T0NGe)

100 <i>Posted by: Elton John at June 29, 2011 02:34 PM (wOaLi)</i>

Saw you in concert a few years back.  I was really impressed by how you took the time to thank the audience and to thank this country for giving you the opportunities that it has.

It was really a very cool moment.

Posted by: wiserbud at June 29, 2011 09:41 AM (3Okgs)

101 Fuckers all like to talk about taxing the rich for redistribution, but when it comes time to fork it over themselves they write songs like "Taxman".

Likely so. But the only people who claim to enjoy paying taxes are liars.

When The Beatles began, it was lovey dovey stuff like "I wanna hold your hand" and "Michelle"; not social justice or redistribution of wealth. Perhaps "I'm more popular than Jesus Christ" is about as close to being a Marxist statement that Lennon pronounced for broadcast. I don't recall The Beatles promoting Marxist activism through lyrics; sexual hippy revolution, yes. They did their spiritual awakening through the popular transcendental meditation of the day, and performed/organized benefit concerts for Bangladesh, the first big Rock charity-compassion themed concert. When "Revolution" came out, the song followed instead of initiated the decade's politically New Left revolutionary events. The Beatles never belonged to or professed the ideology of the SDS or whatever the British called their violently radical academics. Lennon's "Across the Universe" nothing's gonna change my world sums him up well enough, on the same 1970 album with McCartney's "Let It Be".

John Lennon:

Words are flying out like
endless rain into a paper cup
They slither while they pass
They slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow waves of joy
are drifting through my open mind
Possessing and caressing me

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Images of broken light which
dance before me like a million eyes
That call me on and on across the universe
Thoughts meander like a
restless wind inside a letter box
they tumble blindly as
they make their way across the universe

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Sounds of laughter shades of life
are ringing through my open ears
exciting and inviting me
Limitless undying love which
shines around me like a million suns
It calls me on and on across the universe

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Jai guru deva
Jai guru deva

Posted by: moderation in all things at June 29, 2011 09:42 AM (lpWVn)

102 their music wildly, maniacally overrated.

My cover of Lucy in the Sky put those hacks in their place. Rush will agree.

Posted by: Elton John at June 29, 2011 09:46 AM (wOaLi)

103 It wasn't until later that I went back and appreciated Zepplin, AC/DC, Genesis and the rest of the stuff I was supposed to be listening to.

Well, if you went to high school in the 80's, you didn't miss anything by not listening to Genesis.  But if you were in high school in the 70's, yeah, you missed out.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at June 29, 2011 09:46 AM (HwE/1)

104
I lost any respect for Lennon when I found out what a shitty father he was.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 29, 2011 09:46 AM (QMtmy)

105 news from the United Nations, North Korea assumed the presidency of the Conference on Disarmament I smell Peace Prize...

Posted by: t-bird at June 29, 2011 09:47 AM (FcR7P)

106 Likely so. But the only people who claim to enjoy paying taxes are liars.

Not saying they enjoy paying themselves, but they like to tell everyone else to.  That's what gets to me.

Posted by: EC at June 29, 2011 09:47 AM (GQ8sn)

107 104 Narcissists are not good fathers.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 09:48 AM (NtTkA)

108 ugh the beetles double ugh john lennon

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 29, 2011 09:48 AM (Cm66w)

109 Just think, the original drummer needed to be replaced because he wasn't good enough. Replaced by Ringo. That's an indictment of one's skills.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 29, 2011 02:34 PM (7EV/g)

Well, Ringo was a good drummer. Not flashy, but very good. In the early songs he just rode that crash symbol from beginning to end. Good sound.

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 09:48 AM (9KqcB)

110 I guess everyone's in the other thread. Meh. I like this one better even if it's not true.

My Dad tells me stories about seeing them in concert. He said that at one concert the girl in front of him threw her engagement at Paul. He remembers chuckling at the poor sap fiancee that had to help her find it after the concert let out - he was of course none too pleased.

I never had anything like that growing up. I feel like I missed out.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 09:48 AM (pLTLS)

111 110, Really, I had to go to a FKN Winger Concert with this slut (She was awesome) in 87, the panties and bras were flying.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 09:51 AM (NtTkA)

112 My cover of Lucy in the Sky put those hacks in their place. Rush will agree.

Posted by: Elton John at June 29, 2011 02:46 PM (wOaLi)

You're nothing but a hack.

Posted by: William Shatner at June 29, 2011 09:51 AM (T0NGe)

113 ringo was not a good drummer

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 29, 2011 09:52 AM (Cm66w)

114 Not surprised. These are the lyrics to the song "Revolution 1". Also, as I recall, liberals in Britain were very disappointed in Paul McCartney, because the teachers at his children's school were preparing to strike and he made some comment against the idea of teachers striking.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 29, 2011 09:52 AM (R/hMr)

115 and their music wildly, maniacally overrated.

Much like Ron Paul supporters people that latch on to one band maniacally have ruined my view of that band.

Had a friend that only listened to the beetles. Every time you were in his car that's all he played. I thought they were OK before that but after I cringed every time they came on the radio.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 29, 2011 09:53 AM (tf9Ne)

116 I never had anything like that growing up. I feel like I missed out.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 02:48 PM (pLTLS)


No boy-band insanity for Lacey?

Posted by: EC at June 29, 2011 09:53 AM (GQ8sn)

117 "If you're young and not a liberal,you have no heart; if you're old and not a conservative, you have no brain."
— Winston Churchill

Posted by: Coldwarrior57 at June 29, 2011 09:53 AM (nYTrG)

118 Ringo was a fantastic drummer.  Good grief.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 29, 2011 09:53 AM (Sfu+M)

119 Wait a friggin minute here. Obama lectured congress about taking vacation? Is he fucking serious?!

I used to think the man was such a narcissist that he would install a mirror in front of of the toilet just to watch himself take a crap. Now I wonder if he even has a reflective image.

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 09:53 AM (piMMO)

120

The most fascinating episode, however, involved Lennon and President Ronald Reagan, then governor of California.

Here's the video....Lennon, no Reagan, but at the end Giffords recalling that Reagan was there with Lennon.

http://tinyurl.com/67fhu6g

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 09:55 AM (9KqcB)

121 Has anyone ever heard the legendary Linda McCartney singing tape?
I lost my copy a ways back.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 29, 2011 09:55 AM (QMtmy)

122 Well, if you went to high school in the 80's, you didn't miss anything by not listening to Genesis.  But if you were in high school in the 70's, yeah, you missed out.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at June 29, 2011 02:46 PM (HwE/1)

I missed all the 70s music the first time around. Caught up later. Genesis had a few very good albums, but were done by the mid 80s.

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 09:56 AM (9KqcB)

123 " I don't believe it. Everyone should pay their taxes. Posted by: Bono at June 29, 2011 01:48 PM (yQWNf)" Damn straight. Gotta go, the yacht awaits.

Posted by: John Kerry at June 29, 2011 09:57 AM (R/hMr)

124
With all the drug use going on in the 60's, it's a wonder none of The Beatles were found lying dead in bed.
Unless, of course, you count the flowerbed in front of the Dakota.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 29, 2011 09:57 AM (QMtmy)

125 Posted by: wiserbud at June 29, 2011 02:41 PM (3Okgs)

I can be an insufferable dick offstage, but you should have seen how I graciously ignored the Phelps Family Freaks protesting outside my concert.

Posted by: Elton John at June 29, 2011 09:58 AM (wOaLi)

126

I will say that it has not aged well.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 29, 2011 02:40 PM (T0NGe)

I disagree. The sound quality itself was ahead of its time. And most of it rocks. Overrated? Probably, since they were afforded god-like status.

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 09:58 AM (9KqcB)

127 ringo was not a good drummer

No, Ringo was just not an exceptional drummer in a band of otherwise exceptional musicians.  His drumming certainly wasn't bad.

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at June 29, 2011 09:58 AM (HwE/1)

128 Hmmm...I never thought of the Beatles as Liberals...more like Libertarians. Harrison was the most extreme followed by McCartney.  I figured Lennon and Starr for businessmen.  And alot of their so-called anti-gun stuff was really about doing drugs.  Saw them live twice, first tour and later when they had gone hippie-dippie.  Personally I think they played/wrote to the crowd and the times and for shock value.  I doubt they had any real convictions other than maybe Harrison who was a fruit-loop of the Cat Stevens variety.

Posted by: Deanna at June 29, 2011 09:59 AM (j1j8+)

129 17 If you drive a car, I'll tax the street If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.... Posted by: Zolmbie GOP fan Lennon but not the Taxman ************ Exactly.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 09:59 AM (ExKx3)

130 he was not a good drummer....he had a style that was likable but he was not and is not today a good drummer

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 29, 2011 09:59 AM (Cm66w)

131 Another lie spun around Lennon is he was shot in the chest. He was shot in the back - running away from a maniac trying to kill him. I would have done the same thing but somehow libs feel the need to change the story. I guess trying to make him larger than life. But he wasn't.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:00 AM (136wp)

132 : Deanna at June 29, 2011 02:59 PM (j1j8+) *********** If you listen to their music, it is all about love for the most part. They really did believe in love, peace...nothing wrong with that. They were the good guys. Listen to the trash the youth listens today and well, you have ho's, bitch's, and murder. No comparison. Their music has stood the test of time.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:02 AM (ExKx3)

133 he was not a good drummer....he had a style that was likable but he was not and is not today a good drummer

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 29, 2011 02:59 PM (Cm66w)

Four out of five drummers disagree.

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 10:02 AM (9KqcB)

134

John married Yoko Ono. Ringo married Barbara Bach.

And they called John the smart Beatle?!!

Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2011 10:03 AM (VndSC)

135 If you listen to their music, it is all about love for the most part. They really did believe in love, peace...nothing wrong with that. They were the good guys. Listen to the trash the youth listens today and well, you have ho's, bitch's, and murder. No comparison. Their music has stood the test of time.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 03:02 PM (ExKx3)

Most of their music was about sex not love. Like 99% of all rock bands.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:03 AM (136wp)

136 Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 03:00 PM (136wp) *************8 You jest! There is almost no one in the music scene outside of Elvis, that is larger in life and defined an entire generation.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:03 AM (ExKx3)

137 I will say that it has not aged well.

You'd kill the messenger?

Not everything stands well when taken out of context. And as for McCartney's vaudeville, meh. It got his knighthood.

But their songs that stem from Blues/Folk will continue to age well, as do their highly personal reflections of life's meaning.

That said, The Beatles were the troubadours of their Zeitgeist. They never claimed to be the messianic Romantic Hero saving the world from Democracy during that revolutionary era; rather, a band of "cool" playboys who were influenced by Hesse philosophy as everyone then was. Their stylized musical representations of their day are valid and of good quality for what was expressed, the evolution of popular music via their experience.


Posted by: moderation in all things at June 29, 2011 10:04 AM (lpWVn)

138 I missed all the 70s music the first time around. Caught up later. Genesis had a few very good albums, but were done by the mid 80s.

Yes.  Their last really good album was Duke, in 1980.  Starting with Abacab, they began employing a drum machine and deliberately skewing their music away from progressive rock and towards radio-friendly pop.

Still, I don't wish to dismiss their 80's catalog entirely.  To be fair, they truly were one of the best Pop bands of that decade.  I just don't happen to like most Pop music.  Still, even in the mid 80's, Tony Banks managed to sneak one genuine prog song onto every album (Second Home By the Sea, Domino, etc.).

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at June 29, 2011 10:04 AM (HwE/1)

139 One, two, three, four...
Hrmm!
One, two, (one, two, three, four!)

Let me tell you how it will be;
There's one for you, nineteen for me.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

(if you drive a car, car - I’ll tax the street;
(if you try to sit, sit - I’ll tax your seat;
(if you get too cold, cold - I’ll tax the heat;
(if you take a walk, walk - I'll tax your feet.

Taxman!

'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Don't ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister heath)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Now my advice for those who die, (taxman)
Declare the pennies on your eyes. (taxman)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

And you're working for no one but me.

Taxman!

If these lyrics aren't conservative I don't know what is.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 29, 2011 10:04 AM (pdRb1)

140 i love ringo....he's not a good drummer

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 29, 2011 10:04 AM (Cm66w)

141 134 he was not a good drummer....he had a style that was likable but he was not and is not today a good drummer

Posted by: phoenixgirl at June 29, 2011 02:59 PM (Cm66w)

Four out of five drummers disagree.

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 03:02 PM (9KqcB)

And four out of five bass players.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:04 AM (136wp)

142 Another example of a fantastic drummer who keeps it simple:  Mick Fleetwood.  You don't have to have giant drum kit and spinning baton fingers to be a great drummer.  If you listen to some of the more subtle works by the Beatles, like, say, Norwegian Wood, listen for the always appropriate drumming of Ringo.  He always has the right feel for the song.  Most drummers don't.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 29, 2011 10:04 AM (Sfu+M)

143 Posted by: The Robot Devil ********** Not true. And there is a difference between sex and love

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:04 AM (ExKx3)

144

But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.

Only losers like communism and by extension communism’s desperate murderous tyrants. [but then – leftists love the idea of a good purge/ government theft]

I feel a little glimmer of hope for humanity knowing that John Lennon understood the truth.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 29, 2011 10:04 AM (0fzsA)

145 All you need is Love... not ALL YOU NEED IS SEX

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:05 AM (ExKx3)

146 137 Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 03:00 PM (136wp)
*************8

You jest! There is almost no one in the music scene outside of Elvis, that is larger in life and defined an entire generation.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 03:03 PM (ExKx3)

Yes they defined Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Bwarney Frank, Nancy Pelosi...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:06 AM (136wp)

147 146 All you need is Love... not

ALL YOU NEED IS SEX

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 03:05 PM (ExKx3)

Norwegian Wood...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:06 AM (136wp)

148 All you need is taxpayer-subsidized Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: Roy at June 29, 2011 10:06 AM (VndSC)

149 This is no revelation. Anybody who's ever read the Lennon Playboy interviews from 1980 (as well as actually pay attention to pre-smack Lennon lyrics like "Revolution") would already gather that by the fifth question. Apologies if this had been mentioned already in the past hundred-fifty comments.

Posted by: BuddyPC at June 29, 2011 10:08 AM (nSkOL)

150 Drummers are a dime a dozen. Who cares if he wasn't Neil Peart. Ringo was/is a cool dude.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 29, 2011 10:08 AM (0fzsA)

151 Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 03:06 PM (136wp) ********** You must be perfect in your cramped mind. Sorry.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:08 AM (ExKx3)

152 George Bush was an idiot. That's why most Americans voted for Barack Obama. He's cool. More importantly, did you get copyright permission to use that photo of Beatle John Lennon? I believe that's an trademark of Apple Ltd. You'll hear from my numerous attorneys chaps. Cheerio!

Posted by: Sir Paul McCartney at June 29, 2011 10:08 AM (6uiF7)

153 Re-released Lennon songs: Fixing a Hole in Social Security Happiness is a Warm Constitutional Gun I Want to Hold Your Handgun Let it Be Bachmann Norwegian Wood is Beginning to Turn Socialist Rocky Reagan Taxman, Fuck You When I'm 64 I'll Still have Six Years Until Retirement Without a Little Help from the Government Yellow Submachinegun You Won't See Me Watching MSNBC

Posted by: Average Joe at June 29, 2011 10:09 AM (bN5ZU)

154 Would I have married Yoko if I weren't blinded by love?

Posted by: John Lenin at June 29, 2011 10:10 AM (wOaLi)

155 Breaking: Obozo still desperately clinging to the "soak the rich with taxes" lefty mantra in today's speech.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 29, 2011 10:10 AM (0fzsA)

156 Federal Appeals Court in Cincinnati upholds individual mandate.

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 10:10 AM (piMMO)

157 23 O/T, they should give Ringo a knighthood. I mean, come on. Talk about feeling left out. Hell, they gave one to Geldoff. Posted by: rdbrewer at June 29, 2011 01:51 PM (Sfu+M) He's just happy to be here. Seriously, Ringo has already said, several times on record, that he doesn't wan't one and would refuse it.

Posted by: BuddyPC at June 29, 2011 10:11 AM (nSkOL)

158 I doubt they had any real convictions other than maybe Harrison who was a fruit-loop of the Cat Stevens variety. Posted by: Deanna

That's fruit-loopy.

Go figure. Cat Stevens is ardent Muslim and said he'd perform murderous jihad when asked.

Whereas, The Beatles did transcendental meditation, Hindu reflection.

Btw, who else caught the headline news that transcendental meditation alone prevents heart attacks and strokes by nearly 50% in studies. It's a no brainer, enjoying inner peace and calm vs. dependency on doping up.

Posted by: moderation in all things at June 29, 2011 10:11 AM (lpWVn)

159

I bet Yoko Ono will release a statement in the next few days saying it's not true.

Posted by: sydney jane at June 29, 2011 10:11 AM (WDFri)

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 29, 2011 10:11 AM (jx2j9)

161 152 Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 03:06 PM (136wp)

**********

You must be perfect in your cramped mind. Sorry.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 03:08 PM (ExKx3)

I bow before your superior use of dialectic. I haven't read a more cogent reply since the founding of USENET.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:11 AM (136wp)

162 And put down that cheeseburger!

Posted by: Sir Paul McCartney at June 29, 2011 10:12 AM (5and4)

163 Check out Ringo in this.  Tambourine, small cymbals.  Not a lot of drummers would know to get away from beating a set like this. 

One reason Ringo was great is that his ego was out of the way of the music.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 29, 2011 10:13 AM (Sfu+M)

164 "Norwegian Wood " may be about an affair, but it's not sexually explicit as the trash one hears today, get real.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:13 AM (ExKx3)

165
Federal Appeals Court in Cincinnati upholds individual mandate.

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 03:10 PM (piMMO)

The Federal mandate to purchase a Chevrolet Volt is only one election away.   Or not?


Posted by: Fish the Impaler at June 29, 2011 10:14 AM (Lt/Za)

166 Ringo was always under appreciated.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:15 AM (ExKx3)

167 Posted by: Fish the Impaler at June 29, 2011 03:14 PM (Lt/Za) Nope, your right. It is.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 10:15 AM (NtTkA)

168 @164 rdbrewer "One reason Ringo was great is that his ego was out of the way of the music." Ringo always struck me as the Beatle with the best sense of humor.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 29, 2011 10:15 AM (3Iwaq)

169 Cheerio!

Posted by: Sir Paul McCartney at June 29, 2011 03:08 PM (6uiF7)

I read years ago an interview with Sir Paul and Linda about how they came to be vegetarians:

They were sitting at their dinner table enjoying a meal and watching the lambs wander the countryside of their estate when BANG! it suddenly hit them. Lambchops/lambs, lambchops/lambs... as if it had never fucking occurred to them that lambs' meat came from lambs.

I rolled my eyes then and I'm rolling them now.

When I look upon a meadow and see the bovine roaming the hillside I think, OOH! I want a t-bone for dinner tonight!

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 10:16 AM (piMMO)

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at June 29, 2011 10:16 AM (0fzsA)

171 The Courts are bought and sold by the Soro's foundations, we will get no reprieve from them.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:16 AM (ExKx3)

172 165 "Norwegian Wood " may be about an affair, but it's not sexually explicit as the trash one hears today, get real.

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 03:13 PM (ExKx3)

Do you really think he was singing about wood for a fire? Or "wood" as in morning tumescent?

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:17 AM (136wp)

173 I like Ringo's solo work. Photograph and it don't come easy are both on my iPod. His Traveling Wilbury's stuff wasn't bad either.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 10:17 AM (NtTkA)

174 "peace-loving militant"?

Why did his keyboard not detonate from typing that?

Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord at June 29, 2011 10:18 AM (GBXon)

175 Posted by: The Robot Devil **** I get it, your perfect and a virgin

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:18 AM (ExKx3)

176
as if it had never fucking occurred to them that lambs' meat came from lambs.

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 03:16 PM (piMMO)

I had a similar experience while watching burro's grazing in the pasture.  Since that day, I have never eaten another burrito.

Posted by: Cheech Marin at June 29, 2011 10:19 AM (Lt/Za)

177 Btw, who else caught the headline news that transcendental meditation alone prevents heart attacks and strokes by nearly 50% in studies. It's a no brainer, enjoying inner peace and calm vs. dependency on doping up.

Yes. Often practiced by those who have no occasion to engage in physical exertion by those who can afford the time and money to engage in the downtime. Or, those who live in a dirt poor fucking country and have nothing but time on their hands.

I wonder why it works for them.

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 10:19 AM (piMMO)

178 Clueless, Bringin the magical common sense.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 10:20 AM (NtTkA)

179

Posted by: Rod Rescueman at June 29, 2011 03:04 PM (HwE/1)

I wasn't cool enough to enjoy their progressive stuff. I liked the hits. And their work with Earth, Wind and Fire. "Genesis" was a strong album.

And can you imagine puttng "(It's No Fun Being) An Illegal Alien" on the radio now? Or the video?? http://tinyurl.com/3tjm5rd 

Posted by: CJ at June 29, 2011 10:21 AM (9KqcB)

180 176 Posted by: The Robot Devil
****
I get it, your perfect and a virgin

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 03:18 PM (ExKx3)

And mouse cheese is the most expensive cause they have to make the milker so small, don't get me started on the engineering behind the churn...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:22 AM (136wp)

181 Not buying the bullshit.  He probably did want to hang on to his money, but I'm not prepared to ignore the years he spent tearing down the last of the accumulated culture that sustained us.  Revolution #9, the Ballad of John and Yoko, and "Woman is the Ni%%er of the World" would be enough to make me loathe him forever, but he had to go and write Imagine, blathering about 'imagine no possessions', playing his all white piano in his goddamn all white apartment and playing the sanctimonious prig while he retreated up into Yoko's womb and ignore his son by his previous marriage.  It would take Zombie Lennon coming back up out of the grave to issue an apology directly to the Republican party and changing his middle name back to Winston before I'd contemplate rehabilitating his reputation.  And even then, I would retain a personal repugnance.

Posted by: Kerry at June 29, 2011 10:22 AM (a/VXa)

182 i love ringo....he's not a good drummer Posted by: phoenixgirl

You prefer the synthesized percussion?

Damn, Ringo rocked. I still like his aloof way in the lime light, indifferent to the media, just a cool bloke who knows his stuff, walking down to earth like the rest of us, minding his own business.

I admired George Harrison a great deal, his artistic video fantasies aside.

Paul McCartney may as well have played Friend in Zardoz. He and John Alderton look like cousins. But we saw in advance how Paul's cherub face would age poorly.

Posted by: moderation in all things at June 29, 2011 10:23 AM (lpWVn)

183 playing the sanctimonious prig while he retreated up into Yoko's womb

You just had to go there, huh?

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 10:23 AM (piMMO)

184 Too bad he's still dead.  He did give some good data to the .38 isn't enough arguement, though.

Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at June 29, 2011 10:24 AM (qL20/)

185 I only have so much hate to go 'round. I'm sure as hell not going to waste it on the likes of John Lennon.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 29, 2011 10:24 AM (pLTLS)

186 McCartney lost me when he stood on my soil and insulted my President. Fuck Him. It was fun to watch the one legged gold digger take his shit.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 10:25 AM (NtTkA)

187 184 playing the sanctimonious prig while he retreated up into Yoko's womb

You just had to go there, huh?

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 03:23 PM (piMMO)

That explains why Yoko screamed so much...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:25 AM (136wp)

188 Clueless, Bringin the magical common sense.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 03:20 PM (NtTkA)


What say you and I start up an annual AOS yoga and meditation retreat. There has to be a least a few fools around here that would sign up. We'll shove them in the hothouse and then go grab a drink at the bar.

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 10:26 AM (piMMO)

189 Does this mean that conservatives (some at this site) still want to piss on his grave? Yes.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 29, 2011 10:26 AM (lbo6/)

190 "Norwegian Wood " may be about an affair, but it's not sexually explicit as the trash one hears today, get real.

Is this that hippie crap about how 'your' music 'meant' something?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 29, 2011 10:27 AM (FkKjr)

191 Kick Ass, I. AM. IN.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 10:27 AM (NtTkA)

192 185 Too bad he's still dead.  He did give some good data to the .38 isn't enough arguement, though.

Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at June 29, 2011 03:24 PM (qL20/)

Chapman used hollow-points, can you still legally buy them?

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:27 AM (136wp)

193 Who cares if he wasn't Neil Peart.

As probably the only person who really likes Rush but thinks Peart is just an average above-average drummer (if you know what I mean)—me. I'm glad there's no Peart on the Beatles' records, boring 'em up.

Ringo was great. That's a different thing from being good. It's not...gooder.

Posted by: oblig. at June 29, 2011 10:28 AM (xvZW9)

194 Ringo, in his time was a very good drummer.  Look no further than his drumming on "I Feel Fine"....or his fills on "I Want to Hold Your Hand"...plenty of space, and enhancing the chorus, while not overpowering the song...exactly what non-drummer musicians want the drummer to do.  But, two things happened - 1) touring for the Beatles became nothing more than a sea of screaming teenage girls; Ringo admitted he simply played the correct backbeat, because he could barely hear the other instruments, so, in turn, he felt his playing had deteriorated, and 2) Keith Moon and John Bonham forever altered what a drummer could be;  Bonham's sheer power and force pushed drummers into sounds that no one prior to him had ever achieved.  So, in retrospect, much like Charlie Watts, another, "nail down the foundation" drummer from the same era, Ringo gets tagged by those who favor the "more is better" school of music appreciation.

Posted by: jas at June 29, 2011 10:29 AM (ZM2Bn)

195 193 Don't buy them. Drill them, place a drop of Mercury in the hollow point, Cover with paraffin.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 10:30 AM (NtTkA)

196 George Harrison's Passacaglia

I look at you all see the love there that's sleeping
While my guitar gently weeps
I look at the floor and I see it need sweeping
Still my guitar gently weeps

I don't know why nobody told you
how to unfold you love
I don't know how someone controlled you
they bought and sold you

I look at the world and I notice it's turning
While my guitar gently weeps
With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my guitar gently weeps

I don't know how you were diverted
you were perverted too
I don't know how you were inverted
no one alerted you

I look at you all see the love there that's sleeping
While my guitar gently weeps
I look at you all
Still my guitar gently weeps

Oh yeah

Posted by: moderation in all things at June 29, 2011 10:31 AM (lpWVn)

197 194 Who cares if he wasn't Neil Peart.

As probably the only person who really likes Rush but thinks Peart is just an average above-average drummer (if you know what I mean)—me. I'm glad there's no Peart on the Beatles' records, boring 'em up.

Ringo was great. That's a different thing from being good. It's not...gooder.

Posted by: oblig. at June 29, 2011 03:28 PM (xvZW9)

You aren't the only person who likes Rush. But, this argument is literally, different strokes for different folks. One day I want to listen to Rush, another day - Zep, another day - Bennie Benjamin.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:31 AM (136wp)

198 Chapman used hollow-points, can you still legally buy them?

Yes Corbon Hollow-points

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 29, 2011 10:32 AM (tf9Ne)

199 Just shows ya how bad Jimmy Carter was as a President... even Lennon liked Reagan in comparison!

Yeah.. he probably got a bit jaded on Liberalism by the hefty taxes he had to pay in England..  (Although George Harrison wrote Taxman - and Paul McCartney played the lead on it!)

I disagree with those saying "Imagine" is a lefty song.  "Imagine there's no country" is not exactly a "liberal" idea.. that's more anarchy than liberal.. no government.. no government teat to suck off.. it's simply a simplistic dreamer's notion..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 29, 2011 10:32 AM (f9c2L)

200 196

A fan of the Jackyl eh?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 29, 2011 10:32 AM (tf9Ne)

201 Does this mean that conservatives (some at this site) still want to piss on his grave?

I'm there, dude.

Posted by: Annie Coulter at June 29, 2011 10:34 AM (wOaLi)

202 I sound just like Yoko Ono when I sing.  I didn't know I was so talented!

Posted by: kathysaysso at June 29, 2011 10:34 AM (ZtwUX)

203 Imagine no John Lennon.   It's easy if you try...

Posted by: doug at June 29, 2011 10:35 AM (Lf1Ga)

204 194, Stick to Josie and the Pussy cats. You have outed yourself as being the most ignorant music critic on the planet. Neil was not a drummer, but a percussionist. He could play Buddy rich or John Bonham. He is the Percussionist by which all others are measured.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 10:35 AM (NtTkA)

205 199 Chapman used hollow-points, can you still legally buy them?

Yes Corbon Hollow-points

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 29, 2011 03:32 PM (tf9Ne)

Thread hijack, so it is possible to stop someone with a .38 using hollowpoints. There is an existence proof - Mr. Lennon.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:36 AM (136wp)

206 exactly what non-drummer musicians want the drummer to do.

Ayup.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 29, 2011 10:36 AM (Sfu+M)

207 None other than WFB wrote a classic take-down of the hypocrisy and idealism of "Imagine". I think it's in his book "Happy Days Were Here Again", a collection of columns he wrote for NR. Classic stuff and well worth visiting. About this John Lennon story, it exemplifies modern liberalism as the politics of adolescence. Peace, love and money for "people" not wars, blah blah blah. Once you grow up and realize you have families to take care and provide for, all of a sudden, conservatism is the logical choice. Imagine that.

Posted by: Olliander at June 29, 2011 10:37 AM (6uiF7)

208 Neil was is not a drummer, but a percussionist. He could play Buddy rich or John Bonham. He is the Percussionist by which all others are measured.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 03:35 PM (NtTkA)

Small correction, I think he is still alive...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at June 29, 2011 10:37 AM (136wp)

209 @197 I'm a lumberjack baby I'm gonna cut you down to size... But I aint jacked my lumber baby, Since my chain saw you

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 29, 2011 10:38 AM (lbo6/)

210 "Woman is the Ni%%er of the World ************* He was and is right

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 10:39 AM (ExKx3)

211
A new hot date for palinsteele.

Posted by: YIKES! at June 29, 2011 10:40 AM (6B+2e)

212 211 "Woman is the Ni%%er of the World
*************

He was and is right

Posted by: GONZOTX at June 29, 2011 03:39 PM (ExKx3)

That's what I sing to Denis every night.

Posted by: Margaret Thatcher at June 29, 2011 10:41 AM (136wp)

213
Yoko Ono more funny than Bill Maher.

Posted by: YIKES! at June 29, 2011 10:41 AM (6B+2e)

214 209, Thanks RD, I was momentarily blinded by rage.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 29, 2011 10:41 AM (NtTkA)

215 Imagine there's no country" is not exactly a "liberal" idea that's more anarchy than liberal.. no government.. no government teat to suck off.. it's simply a simplistic dreamer's notion..

It's a straight-up Marxist notion.  Marx believed that countries and nations were tools of the ownership class to keep the workers in line and divided.  Further, government was the "mailed fist" of the oppressor to keep the workers in line. (Marx believed 99% of all things were tools of the oppressors to keep the workers in line and divided.) 

Socialism is a tempt to subvert that, and use the 'mailed fist' to punish and terrorize the ownership class (i.e. us) as well as lay the material foundations for Communism, at which point the Proletariat will kill us all off and live in paradise.

Communism, while very loosely defined, was envisioned by Marx as anarchy as realized by the Proletariat. 

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 29, 2011 10:43 AM (FkKjr)

216
  Meh.  I'll take the 50's, American Bandstand, doo wop right up 'til the Beatles. Started going downhill at that point.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 29, 2011 10:44 AM (ud5dN)

217 The whole business about .38s being underpowered started during the Moro Rebellion and continued during the gang wars of Prohibition. But the .38s of that era were loaded to much lower pressures and generally were simple lead roundnoses. I have a .38+P snubbie that will handle loads that would blow apart a .38 from that era.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 29, 2011 10:45 AM (lbo6/)

218

I never liked the Beatles at any time.  Their music, lifestyle, politics......nothin'.  And I'm not wholly believing this story.

I'll take the Zep or a band like Little Feat over the Beatles anytime.

Posted by: Soona at June 29, 2011 10:46 AM (oj5vc)

219 I didn't care about him when he was killed, I don't care about him now.  Now if only Paul would die then the world would be a better place.  RINGO RULES!!!!

Posted by: brass pair at June 29, 2011 10:47 AM (4WhSY)

220 I think it took being the right age when the British Invasion came along, Soona.. not sure how old you are, but I was 13 when the Beatles hit American radio.  I was not fond of 50's rock as my older brothers were, never liked the Beach Boys (although I did like Jan & Dean), and did like MoTown.  The Beatles and most of the other British groups that came along in those years just seemed to click with me and others my age.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 29, 2011 10:51 AM (f9c2L)

221 Yes Corbon Hollow-points

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 29, 2011 03:32 PM (tf9Ne)


I'm pathetic. I know what I own (Springfield XD-40 subcompact) and that it is louder than hell. I know that I need to get to the range more often. I can aim and fire. Other than that, I don't know much more than the brand of ammo I buy. I'm told it's pretty good but if there's better, and my limited education tells me there probably is, I'd buy it.

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 10:55 AM (piMMO)

222 "But the .38s of that era were loaded to much lower pressures and generally were simple lead roundnoses." Further clarification: What we think of as .38 is .38S&W Special. The Army's 1892 revolvers used .38 Long Colt. The bullet is the same, but the case for the .38S&W Special is longer. In addition to the longer case, the .38S&W Special is loaded with smokeless powder but was a black powder loading when introduced.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 29, 2011 10:58 AM (cbyrC)

223 This isn't the first time there have been rumblings about Lennon leaning to the right near the end of his life and if you have his last album, Double Fantasy, there's really nothing on there like his past political stuff, at least that i remember. And this is from Double Fantasy, which sounds like a guy re-examining his life.

Posted by: booger at June 29, 2011 11:04 AM (9RFH1)

224
  And for additional fun, try a typical cap and ball revolver.  Messy, to be sure, but a ton of fun. I love those weapons for their simplicity and the fact they are like holding a bit of history in your hand.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 29, 2011 11:04 AM (ud5dN)

225 I'm told it's pretty good but if there's better, and my limited education tells me there probably is, I'd buy it.

Hornady is quality ammo IMO. I practice with cheaper FMJ ammo (Federal or American Eagle) and keep a mag full of Corbon hollow points for self defense.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 29, 2011 11:09 AM (tf9Ne)

226 Hornady is quality ammo IMO. I practice with cheaper FMJ ammo (Federal or American Eagle) and keep a mag full of Corbon hollow points for self defense.

I fire a box of Hornady every now and then because I want to know what it feels like. Other than that, I use something less expensive.

Which reminds me, I'm going to get with a buddy and hit the range next week. It's been too long.

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 11:16 AM (piMMO)

227 Small correction, I think [Peart] is still alive...

Yeah. I saw him (and the rest of Rush) about two weeks ago.

They're still good. (And I am pleased that Lifeson seems to have lost that weight he'd picked up before the R30 tour.)

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at June 29, 2011 11:18 AM (bjRNS)

228 Which reminds me, I'm going to get with a buddy and hit the range next week. It's been too long.

Practice is way more important than the gun or the ammo since a miss with the best is not as good as a hit with anything.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 29, 2011 11:22 AM (tf9Ne)

229 I remember reading at the time of his death that Lennon kept several TV's playing news channels 24/7 in his apartment.  Maybe he came around at the end as he had more information and more experience as to how the world works.

Posted by: Voluble at June 29, 2011 11:27 AM (JKX4x)

230 Ringo was okay; like somebody said about Charlie Watts, he's a solid beat guy, a timekeeper. 

Moon and Bonham didn't change what a drummer could be...they just finally figured out that the rock world could handle more than two and four on the snare and an eighth pattern on the ride.

Guys like Chick Webb, Max Roach, and Buddy Rich...they changed drumming.

Posted by: Boogie at June 29, 2011 11:33 AM (Vm9OZ)

231 I remember reading at the time of his death that Lennon kept several TV's playing news channels 24/7 in his apartment.  Maybe he came around at the end as he had more information and more experience as to how the world works.

There was no Fox News in those days. And no internet. Whereever might he have gotten anything but the usual liberal drivel? Maybe he had a republican friend or two he kept hidden from the glittery folks.

Posted by: Clueless at June 29, 2011 11:43 AM (piMMO)

232 And this is from Double Fantasy, which sounds like a guy re-examining his life.

Posted by: booger at June 29, 2011 04:04 PM (9RFH1)

To me that sounds like a guy asserting (yet again) his moral superiority over all those around him.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 29, 2011 11:46 AM (7EV/g)

233 And this is from Double Fantasy, which sounds like a guy re-examining his life.
Posted by: booger at June 29, 2011 04:04 PM

Yeah, you get that hindsight from the point The Beatles were tiring of being The Beatles.

Whereas, their contemporary Rolling Stone band of Clockwork Orange delinquents never yet thought to think.

And look at Steve Tyler or so many others performing the same old hits every year of every decade they keep touring, still doing the exact same schtick without having ever evolved as The Beatles did.

For all the political and cultural shit that went down while The Beatles produced music, unlike so many others from stardom, they had nothing to do with committing suicide or overdose or murder, or campaigning for electoral political agendas to defraud the masses. They were who they were, a band that rocketed into stardom within the revolutionary era encompassing their career together. They wrote and performed what they experienced and wanted to say. Nothing more or less, really. No agenda to convert the world to Marxism, though they contemplated what it all was as everyone else did, as well.

I won't apologize for that era. They hit the American radio audience the year of JFK's assassination. I was in 3rd grade. By the time I was in high school, they broke up. My life wasn't immersed in rock, anyway.  "Why don't we do it in the road" no one will be watching us lyrics were offensive. So, shock factor made breaking news and that's some of what was broadcast on the radio. The Beatles had their share of big hits all those years, many of which are worth remembering. My freshman English teacher, Coach Tom, assigned us the lyrics "When I'm 64" as our first homework assignment for class discussion.

Posted by: moderation in all things at June 29, 2011 12:10 PM (lpWVn)

234

John Lennon didn't care for  'Catcher In The Rye'. That's when I knew he had turned Reagan Republican. So I killed the RatBastard.

Posted by: Mark David Chapman at June 29, 2011 01:21 PM (sIoXJ)

235 when he started losing his ass with apple he found out it was not so easy

Posted by: pd at June 29, 2011 03:45 PM (mVdiW)

236

Imagine four big bullets

Ripping through your chest

Posted by: Mark David and the Chapmen, feat. Zombie John Lennon at June 29, 2011 04:00 PM (xy9wk)

237 And yet, Paul McCartney remains a brain-dead liberal douche.

I'd love to know what Sir Paul spends every year on the advisers who help him avoid reduce his taxes.  Same for all those corporate jet riding Hollywood hypocrites.


Posted by: KweefOlbermann at June 30, 2011 05:27 AM (Xv7f/)

238

I remember John Lennon buying bulletproof vests for the NYPD. This was not in keeping with the cops-as-pigs rhetoric of the Left. Perhaps it was a sign of his growing up.

Posted by: mbabbitt at June 30, 2011 06:38 AM (p/jtE)

239 It shouldn't have been "late in life."

Posted by: Jim Treacher at June 30, 2011 07:01 AM (X3KAb)

240 No wonder Ono had him offed. 

Posted by: Brian H at July 01, 2011 10:25 AM (rpVfp)

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