July 30, 2011

43 GOP Senators Sign Letter To Reid Saying They Won't Vote For His Bill UPDATE: House Kills Reid Bill
— DrewM

Not unanimous but close enough.

Dear Leader Reid:

We are writing to let you know that we will not vote for your $2.4 trillion debt limit amendment which, if enacted, would result in the single largest debt ceiling increase in the history of the United States. In addition to this unprecedented increase in borrowing authority, your amendment completely fails to address our current fiscal imbalance and lacks any serious effort to ensure that any subsequent spending cuts are enacted.

The plan you have proposed would not alter the spending trajectory that is putting our economy and national security at risk. In return for an unprecedented $2.4 trillion debt limit increase, your amendment reduces spending by less than $1 trillion over the next decade. Setting aside the $200 billion shortfall between the CBO scored savings and the $2.4 trillion debt limit increase, identified by the Congressional Budget Office, most of the proposal’s alleged savings are based on a false claim of credit for reductions in war-related spending that were already scheduled to occur. This amendment proposes no change to our military posture and, for that reason, these savings are the sort of widely ridiculed accounting gimmick that breeds cynicism about our ability to tackle our fiscal challenges. The only possible justification for a $2.4 trillion increase in borrowing authority is to allow the President to avoid any accountability for these issues before his 2012 election. It is by constantly putting off these tough decisions that we have found ourselves with a national debt nearly equal to the size of our gross domestic product. The time for action is now, we cannot wait until we accumulate another $2.4 trillion in debt.

For all of these reasons, we must oppose your unprecedented $2.4 trillion debt limit amendment. Given the nation’s enormous future spending challenges, it would be irresponsible to give the President this unprecedented additional borrowing authority without requiring the enactment of significant spending reductions and reforms. We urge you to abandon this reckless proposal and instead pursue a more responsible course of action that would rein in spending, reassure the financial markets, and help promote private sector job growth.

The hold outs are exactly who you expect...Brown, Collins, Snowe and Murkowski.

The House is voting on the origianl Reid bill (which the Senate hasn't voted on yet) and they'll kill it.

Meanwhile, Harry Reid is on the floor whining that the Senate has the filibuster. Durbin is now doing the same thing. This is the new Democratic tactic...bitch about the filibuster. This of course could have been dealt with in January. They didn't want to change the rule because they want it in place when they are in the minority.

So we're pretty much nowhere.

BTW-Don't waste your time primarying Scott Brown. A challenge from the right will only help him with Massachusetts voters. You really want to hurt him? Have DeMint go up there and do a couple of events praising him. That will really hurt Brown.

Durbin just said, "time is the essence". Of course, McConnell just said he'd agree to a vote right now but Team Democrat wants the day to complain. They have nothing else to do since the Reid bill is going to die TWICE...once this afternoon in the House and then in the Senate. This is just time killing while they try and figure out what comes next.

Oh and Durbin's righteous indignation against the filibuster? It's somewhat selective.

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN (D-IL): "Those Who Would Attack And Destroy The Institution Of The Filibuster Are Attacking The Very Force Within The Senate That Creates Compromise And Bipartisanship." (Sen. Richard Durbin, Congressional Record, 4/15/05, p.S3763)

• DURBIN: The Filibuster Is "[One] Of The Most Treasured And Cherished Traditions Of The United States Senate." "Many of us in the Senate feel that this agreement tonight means that some of the most treasured and cherished traditions of the United States Senate will be preserved, will not be attacked and will not be destroyed." (Sen. Durbin, "Statement of Sen. Dick Durbin Regarding the Agreement on Judicial Nominations in the Senate," Press Release, 5/23/05)

UPDATE: The GOP preemptive strike against the Reid Plan is complete. This apparently is Reid 1.0 (which was amended by Reid last night) and it was defeated 173 Yes-246 No. I'll look for the final total but about a dozen Democrats voted No (11 was final total).

Cantor says only a pro-forma session tomorrow for the House, so nothing will pass before Monday.

Posted by: DrewM at 08:35 AM | Comments (241)
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1 The GOP needs to quit holding the debt ceiling hostage by, you know, coming up with plans and submitting them and stuff.

Posted by: Tickbeard at July 30, 2011 08:41 AM (lHdBc)

2 One of the many tricks in Reid's bill:

Deeming the FY 2012 and 2013 budgets

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 08:42 AM (o2lIv)

3 <blockquote>Have DeMint go up there and do a couple of events praising him. That will really hurt Brown.</blockquote>

Bwahahahah.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 30, 2011 08:42 AM (p+mzQ)

4 Screw Brown. If I'm going to have a Senator that votes with the Democrats on every important matter, it might as well *be* a Democrat. I was willing to give him pretty wide latitude given his constituency, but if he won't hang with us on the tough fiscal issues, it's pointless having him there.

Posted by: Andy at July 30, 2011 08:44 AM (cb/hk)

5 Reid will take that letter and table it shitcan it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 30, 2011 08:48 AM (d0Tfm)

6 For all of these reasons, we must oppose your unprecedented $2.4 trillion debt limit amendment.

And, well, frankly, because you are such a d***.

Posted by: pep at July 30, 2011 08:48 AM (6TB1Z)

7 I disagree on primarying practically anyone, Drew. I'm down to thinking that everyone should be primaried, including Dems with more fiscally conservative Dems. No more free rides. Let em all learn flop sweat. Running unopposed is a crap plan for the most part.
 
Shit, at the rate we are going being a Congresscritter may be the ONLY jobs left in the US. Might as well have some competition for them.
 
But I do like this letter. I think a few are starting to get it. We are broke. It cannot continue as is.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 30, 2011 08:49 AM (bvXGR)

8 Consequences of Debtmageddon, per Iowahawk the Great: http://tinyurl.com/3ft6zge

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 08:49 AM (XiC+y)

9 4 Screw Brown. If I'm going to have a Senator that votes with the Democrats on every important matter, it might as well *be* a Democrat.

I was willing to give him pretty wide latitude given his constituency, but if he won't hang with us on the tough fiscal issues, it's pointless having him there. Posted by: Andy at July 30, 2011 01:44 PM

On the other hand, if in 2012 we have a real chance to grab those open Dem seats and send Dingy Harry back to the bench, it's better him than another Kennedy or some other Dem who'll stay in there longer than a pope

Yeh, yeh, that was the Mike Castle argument. But Castle wouldn't have put the Senate back in R hands, and he would have voted with the Lefties every time too

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2011 08:50 AM (Y+DPZ)

10

Have DeMint go up there and do a couple of events praising him. That will really hurt Brown.

Cut, jib, newsletter.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 30, 2011 08:50 AM (d0Tfm)

11

Dear Drew M.,

Keep up the great writing and vigilance; you are a credit to this here blog and should be commended for your work.

This is from the heart brother.

Now get back to work, only the country hangs in the balance.

/Regards,

 

Posted by: journolist at July 30, 2011 08:51 AM (Fb9Q0)

12 You really want to hurt him? Have DeMint go up there and do a couple of events praising him. That will really hurt Brown.

Scotty Centerfold might have to write another book where he smears more people with dogshit claims about having been sexually abused without identifying anybody specific, leaving everybody open to suspicion.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 30, 2011 08:53 AM (zsvKP)

13 Hoyer now speaking. He was allotted 3 minutes and I don't think he'll complete  a full sentence in 3 minutes.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 08:54 AM (piMMO)

14 I think anyone should be fair game for "primarying," however when the RNC makes decisions about directing resources, they need to be strategic about that and focus them on seats where we can flip D to R first, then worry about the purging. Let the independent and grassroots groups worry about the guys like Scott Brown. To me, the ones that need to go are the ones who routinely and for many years get up arm-in-arm with Democrats and blast our party or who assume the hand-wringing posturing worrying about the "tone" of their own party and never criticize the Dems. So the assholes like Lady Lindsey and McCain and the Maine twins really irritate the shit out of me. Scott Brown isn't all that prominent, so the damage he does is considerably less imho.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 08:54 AM (XiC+y)

15 BTW-Don't waste your time primarying Scott Brown. A challenge from the right will only help him with Massachusetts voters. You really want to hurt him? Have DeMint go up there and do a couple of events praising him. That will really hurt Brown.

I'd take him off all cimmittees and strip him of any power beyond his stupid vote.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 30, 2011 08:54 AM (G/MYk)

16 I read that the U.S. Catholic bishops have come out for tax increases. They should STFU and stay out of this stuff.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 08:55 AM (XiC+y)

17 12 You really want to hurt him? Have DeMint go up there and do a couple of events praising him. That will really hurt Brown.

Does he still drive that pickup truck? Because we all know who drives pickup trucks. Yup, RACISTS!!11!!

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at July 30, 2011 08:55 AM (Y+DPZ)

18 Who cares about Brown on this one?

43 is the same as 41 is the same as 47. If he wants to play moderate and reasonable, this is a good opportunity. He can pretend he was willing to consider and negotiate over what Reid wants.

It's Murkcokeski who's the real scrunt here.  She runs on spite.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2011 08:55 AM (73tyQ)

19 @15 Yeah, well we see how tough the leadership was with Leeza McScruntypants.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 08:56 AM (XiC+y)

20

heh, Reuters is saying ALL 43 republican senators sent a letter to reid. I thought we had 47 but Reuters may be right.

http://tinyurl.com/43yhgp3

 

Posted by: robtr at July 30, 2011 08:56 AM (MtwBb)

21 Scotty Centerfold might have to write another book where he smears more people with dogshit claims about having been sexually abused without identifying anybody specific, leaving everybody open to suspicion.

Maybe it's shallow of me and, if so, I don't really give a damn. The moment that cheesy photo surfaced he has been shit to me. There is something very telling about any man who will reduce himself to such a vain whore-mongering of his own image.

Ick.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 08:56 AM (piMMO)

22 16 I read that the U.S. Catholic bishops have come out for tax increases. They should STFU and stay out of this stuff. Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 01:55 PM

They're tax exempt. Like old Earl Butz said back in the 70s when the Pope spoke out on birth control;

"He no playa the game, he no make-a the rules"

Posted by: kbdabear at July 30, 2011 08:56 AM (Y+DPZ)

23 I read that the U.S. Catholic bishops have come out for tax increases. They should STFU and stay out of this stuff.

Posted by: Y-not

Well, maybe they could lose the tax -exmpt status of their Church if they feel the need to dabble in partisan politics.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at July 30, 2011 08:58 AM (sJTmU)

24 Bachmann up!

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 08:58 AM (piMMO)

25 It's one thing to remind Catholics about church teaching on birth control or abortion; it's quite another to opine publicly about budgets and tax increases.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 08:58 AM (XiC+y)

26

heh, Reuters is saying ALL 43 republican senators sent a letter to reid. I thought we had 47 but Reuters may be right.

Posted by: robtr at July 30, 2011 01:56 PM

Well, we counted wrong? That was UNEXPECTED!

Posted by: Reuters Great Expectations at July 30, 2011 08:58 AM (Y+DPZ)

27 Scott Brown isn't all that prominent, so the damage he does is considerably less imho.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 01:54 PM (XiC+y)

It seems like he has a Schumer/McVain-esque way of seeking out the salad tossing media to make his pronouncements although they all seem to be local ones in Mass.  Hopefully McConnell realizes what a craven media whore he is and exerts influence to minimize his exposure nationally.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 30, 2011 08:59 AM (zsvKP)

28 The pope needs to bitch-slap the USCCB.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 08:59 AM (XiC+y)

29

Dear DNC Members,

We found the roach clip, it was under the bottle of Bombay. 

Thanks for helping us look everyone.

 

Sincerely,

DNC  

 

Posted by: journolist at July 30, 2011 08:59 AM (Fb9Q0)

30 Bachmann up now

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 08:59 AM (o2lIv)

31 I am sick to death of reading about Reid's cuts without the figure being corrected to reflect the $1T budget trick (=lie) about war spending. Did the CBO score his proposal, btw?

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 09:00 AM (XiC+y)

32 The CBO scores on baseline, no???

Posted by: journolist at July 30, 2011 09:01 AM (Fb9Q0)

33 I really, REALLY detest that little squirming shit McGovern.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:01 AM (piMMO)

34 The question that everyone is wondering about, but no one is asking:

What happens when the Democrats run out of derogatory adjectives?
.

Posted by: gastorgrab at July 30, 2011 09:01 AM (sTBZu)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 30, 2011 09:01 AM (/kd4o)

36 Levin and Dreier going at it.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:02 AM (piMMO)

37

Posted by: gastorgrab at July 30, 2011 02:01 PM (sTBZu)

< They start in with the adverbs.

Posted by: journolist at July 30, 2011 09:02 AM (Fb9Q0)

38 California republicans are quite vocal today.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:02 AM (piMMO)

39 Dreier is ostensibly on our side but objectively, a hack.

Posted by: journolist at July 30, 2011 09:03 AM (Fb9Q0)

40 This session would be a really great live-blogging event.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:03 AM (piMMO)

41 I'd take him off all cimmittees and strip him of any power beyond his stupid vote. Yep, he is a fraud. He represented himself as something else altogether. I never trust pretty people. Their lives are easier than average and because of this, in most situations, they generally seek the path of least resistance. If that path mows folks over than tough shit. Pretty People have been wonderful and right their whole lives, so, they are wonderful and right in the next self serving moment.. There are exceptions, but I havn't found many.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at July 30, 2011 09:03 AM (ZDUD4)

42 >>38 California republicans are quite vocal today. Too effing late. Dreier was my Congressman before we fled. Now I have Chaffetz.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 09:03 AM (XiC+y)

43 OMG!

I am repulsed by Todd Young's hair!

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:03 AM (piMMO)

44 16 I read that the U.S. Catholic bishops have come out for tax increases. They should STFU and stay out of this stuff.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 01:55 PM (XiC+y)

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" -- That Jesus guy.

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is a 501(c)3 tax-exempt organization.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2011 09:04 AM (73tyQ)

45 31 I am sick to death of reading about Reid's cuts without the figure being corrected to reflect the $1T budget trick (=lie) about war spending.

Did the CBO score his proposal, btw?


They've scored both versions of his proposals but they used several different baselines and it's a giant mess. The scoring of Boehner's bill is more honest and realistic.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:05 AM (o2lIv)

46 The Dems keep booing Dreier.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:05 AM (piMMO)

47 I dont' trust the director of CBO either, he's a verbose posing putz.

Posted by: journolist at July 30, 2011 09:06 AM (Fb9Q0)

48 Scott Brown, I ain't sending you money so stop sending me SPAM.

Posted by: journolist at July 30, 2011 09:07 AM (Fb9Q0)

49 32 The CBO scores on baseline, no???

Always, but the baselines they use are not always uniform. The post-FY 2011 baseline is the correct one.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:07 AM (o2lIv)

50 49 32 Post-FY 2011 CR

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:08 AM (o2lIv)

51 Jackson-Lee up!

Let the crazy begin!

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:08 AM (piMMO)

52 Here are the open Senate Seats for 2012. Many more Dem than Republican. But the Republican ones that are up have quite a few RINOs that can be primaried.

Democrats/Independents retiring (6 seats)

Joe Lieberman of Connecticut
Daniel Akaka of Hawaii
Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico - chance
Kent Conrad of North Dakota - chance
Jim Webb of Virginia - good chance
Herb Kohl of Wisconsin - chance

Democrats/Independents seeking re-election (17 seats)

Dianne Feinstein of California
Tom Carper of Delaware
Bill Nelson of Florida- Chance
Ben Cardin of Maryland
Debbie Stabenow of Michigan - Chance
Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota - chance
Claire McCaskill of Missouri - good chance
Jon Tester of Montana - chance
Ben Nelson of Nebraska - chance
Bob Menendez of New Jersey
Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
Sherrod Brown of Ohio - good chance
Bob Casey, Jr. of Pennsylvania - chance
Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island
Bernie Sanders of Vermont
Maria Cantwell of Washington
Joe Manchin of West Virginia - chance

Republicans retiring (2 seats)

Jon Kyl of Arizona
Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas

Republicans seeking re-election (8 seats)

Richard Lugar of Indiana
Olympia Snowe of Maine
Scott Brown of Massachusetts
Roger Wicker of Mississippi
Dean Heller of Nevada
Bob Corker of Tennessee
Orrin Hatch of Utah
John Barrasso of Wyoming

So I would say we have at least a chance of picking up 13 seats. I don't see us losing any seats unless primarying Snowe turns it over.

Posted by: Vic at July 30, 2011 09:09 AM (M9Ie6)

53 Really. This would be a fun live-blog.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:09 AM (piMMO)

54 Oh, that is assuming of course that the GOP doesn't piss off the base any more than they have already done and make them stay at home.

Posted by: Vic at July 30, 2011 09:09 AM (M9Ie6)

55 The atmosphere in the House has been like that of the House of Commons this last week.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:10 AM (o2lIv)

56 55, I don't see Conservatives staying home. I see them finding more Rand Pauls and Ron Johnsons.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at July 30, 2011 09:11 AM (ZDUD4)

57

16 I read that the U.S. Catholic bishops have come out for tax increases.

 

Somebody needs to remind the Catholic bishops that every dollar in tax increases means LESS money being put into the collection plate by those whose taxes go up.....

(Same thing goes for entertainers - every additional dollar I have to fork over in taxes is one less dollar I'm going to have to spend on movie tickets, music CDs, DVD rentals, concert tickets [and accompanying souvenirs], etc.  Time they learn that actions have consequences)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 30, 2011 09:11 AM (/kd4o)

58 Yeah, because J D Hayworth would have embarrassed all you high and mighty unity GOP assholes? Enjoy Johnny Jerkoff, you earned him fair and square.

Posted by: depressive realist at July 30, 2011 09:11 AM (le5qc)

59 55, I don't see Conservatives staying home. I see them finding more Rand Pauls and Ron Johnsons.

We can always hope ad pray that is the case.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:12 AM (piMMO)

60

vic:  in Va, retiring Senator Webb's (D) seat is sought by former Gov & DNC chair Timmy Kaine (D) & former US Senator/Governor (R) Geo. Allen.

right now, Kaine is 3-5 points ahead, but we will tie him up tight & close with O'Bluffy so we could very well take back that seat.

Posted by: kelleyinvirginia at July 30, 2011 09:12 AM (VIqi1)

61 Richard Lugar of Indiana
Olympia Snowe of Maine
Scott Brown of Massachusetts
Roger Wicker of Mississippi
Dean Heller of Nevada
Bob Corker of Tennessee
Orrin Hatch of Utah
John Barrasso of Wyoming

Now that is what I call a target-rich environment.

Posted by: pep at July 30, 2011 09:12 AM (6TB1Z)

62 Here's comes the pig.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at July 30, 2011 09:12 AM (ZDUD4)

63 DSW up

Can we start a campaign to mail to her thousands of trial-size bottles of shampoo?

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:13 AM (piMMO)

64 Here's comes the pig.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at July 30, 2011 02:12 PM (ZDUD4)

Could you narrow it down for those not watching?

Posted by: Tami at July 30, 2011 09:13 AM (X6akg)

65 DWS

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at July 30, 2011 09:14 AM (ZDUD4)

66 Uh, DWS

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:14 AM (piMMO)

67 DWS

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at July 30, 2011 02:14 PM (ZDUD4)

I don't know how anyone can listen to her.  She's almost as hard to take as King Sputt.

Posted by: Tami at July 30, 2011 09:15 AM (X6akg)

68 3 actual liberal House Rs who deserve real primaries:

Hal Rogers
Steve LaTourette
Mike Simpson

I can think of more but those are the top 3.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:15 AM (o2lIv)

69 Later, I have to go let my 7 year old kick my ass at Mario Cart.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at July 30, 2011 09:15 AM (ZDUD4)

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 30, 2011 09:16 AM (TVvXc)

71 Vic, I'd certainly put Ben Nelson at good chance and maybe Tester as well.

There are also a couple of seats that are out of reach ordinarily but could be snagged by the right candidate.  Giuliani (or that idiot Pataki) would have a better-than-even chance against Gillibrand.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2011 09:17 AM (73tyQ)

72 Don't waste your time primarying Scott Brown.

This illustrates why I think electing RINOs is worse than losing seats. In order to meaningfully gain the seat—to get conservative votes out of it—you have to win two elections in one cycle against the establishments of both parties. That almost never happens.

RAND PAUL! kinda did it, but he went from over 70% voter support immediately post-primary to just over 50% in the general, mostly because his own party never stopped shitting on him, even after he had the nomination. Usually, as in O'Donnell's and Miller's cases, that post-primary intraparty shit-throwing dooms the shit-throwee.

Really, how many candidates are so awesome they can throw away twenty points and win? RAND PAUL! and...nobody.

Posted by: oblig. at July 30, 2011 09:17 AM (xvZW9)

73 I didn't catch who that freshmen was but that was a bad mistake.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:18 AM (o2lIv)

74 75 Freshman. PIMF.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:19 AM (o2lIv)

75 Obama wants Murkowski as his next VP. Heavy chatter on this in big bundler circles. Supposed to be a personal slap at Palin.

Posted by: texette at July 30, 2011 09:20 AM (zt3lR)

76 As far as I can see it, the usefulness of a "moderate" R extends only so far as it bumps us over the majority mark and allows us to make committee decisions. What else am I missing?

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:21 AM (piMMO)

77 Obama wants Murkowski as his next VP

Be serious.  Among other things, that would put them down another Senate seat.

Posted by: pep at July 30, 2011 09:22 AM (6TB1Z)

78 I'm sure sarah actually gives a shit...

Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at July 30, 2011 09:22 AM (kBWjM)

79 Just do nothing.  BRING IT.  This is all a BS Obama bluff. 

Posted by: ParisParamus at July 30, 2011 09:23 AM (oISis)

80 This illustrates why I think electing RINOs is worse than losing seats.

I hate Scotty Centerfold with the heat of a gazillion supernovas but he pawned himself off as a Tea Party candidate and effectively pulled the wool over a lot of people's eyes.  HOWEVER he did adhere to his major campaign promise and vote against BammyCare, which that dumbass Martha Choadley would've rubber-stamped.  Other than that he's been a major disappointment but I'm not sure the Tea Party could've come up with anybody better that could win.  That's not to say he hasn't shit all over them for their support.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 30, 2011 09:23 AM (zsvKP)

81 Really, how many candidates are so awesome they can throw away twenty points and win? RAND PAUL! and...nobody.

For now and forever, I will follow your lead and refer to my boyfriend, RAND PAUL! in caps only.


Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:24 AM (piMMO)

82 What else am I missing?

That "moderate" senators have a habit of turning into conservative senators when the political winds shift and their seats are at stake.  See Lugar and princess Lindsey.  Brown is in a very blue state, so he can't go too far to the right, but it beats having a Kennedy clone there.

Posted by: pep at July 30, 2011 09:24 AM (6TB1Z)

83 >>I was willing to give him pretty wide latitude given his constituency, but if he won't hang with us on the tough fiscal issues, it's pointless having him there. I hear ya. I was so happy to have a Republican Senator and couldn't wait to vote for him. Ever since the election night high he seems on a mission to piss off anyone who supported him.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 30, 2011 09:24 AM (TMB3S)

84 plus he survived that gnarly aqua buddha scandal, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at July 30, 2011 09:25 AM (kBWjM)

85 plus he survived that gnarly aqua buddha scandal, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

Thank you, may I have another?

Posted by: Every Frat House in America at July 30, 2011 09:27 AM (piMMO)

86 Van Holland is not popular with the Rs in the hall right now.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:28 AM (piMMO)

87 Posted by: kelleyinvirginia at July 30, 2011 02:12 PM (VIqi1)

Yes, I see VA going Republican.

Posted by: Vic at July 30, 2011 09:28 AM (M9Ie6)

88 Primary the douche. Now..before he becomes entrenched and has more Snowe than a blizzard. RINO are the most dangerous useful idiots...giving bipartisan cover for disasters.

Posted by: Dropping brown at July 30, 2011 09:29 AM (STTZD)

89 78 As far as I can see it, the usefulness of a "moderate" R extends only so far as it bumps us over the majority mark and allows us to make committee decisions. What else am I missing?

Liberal Rs or moderate ones? That would determine my answer, since moderate ones vote more often with conservatives than the liberal ones.

If you do not control the Congress, you do not make policy; the other side rams policy down your throat. (With the exception of the filibuster.) Right now, the House Republicans have enough conservatives that the liberal Rs do not really matter (thankfully). Not so true in the Senate.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:29 AM (o2lIv)

90 A pickup of 13 w/o any losses would give us 60, but we need at least 64 or 65 unless we get rid of some of the RINOs.

Posted by: Vic at July 30, 2011 09:30 AM (M9Ie6)

91 I am serious re Lisa comment. I personally heard two different conversations on the topic by heavy Dem fundraisers.

Posted by: texette at July 30, 2011 09:30 AM (beZqk)

92 Why are they arguing the GOP budget when that doesn't matter until September? Oh, wait...

Bunch of 3yo children.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:31 AM (o2lIv)

93 I am serious re Lisa comment. I personally heard two different conversations on the topic by heavy Dem fundraisers.

What, pray tell, did they claim LM would bring to his ticket?

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:32 AM (piMMO)

94 That is all assuming we make it to the 2012 election which isn't looking so good right now.

Posted by: Vic at July 30, 2011 09:32 AM (M9Ie6)

95 I am such a loser.

It is official.

My best friend and her darling little girl are heading out shopping and I'm supposed to go along for the afternoon. All I want to do is sit around and watch C-Span and bitch and moan.

I'm going with them, but I'm not happy about it.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:33 AM (piMMO)

96 92 A pickup of 13 w/o any losses would give us 60, but we need at least 64 or 65 unless we get rid of some of the RINOs.

I do not understand why liberal Rs continue to hold seats in red districts (many for 20-30+yrs). Those should be easier seats to win, too.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:33 AM (o2lIv)

97 I'm learning to love the debt ceiling.  Keep the sum bitch where it is forever.  

Posted by: David at July 30, 2011 09:33 AM (/X2Wi)

98 Jeff Sessions now on Senate floor

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:35 AM (o2lIv)

99 They think something has to change on the ticket to win, that Lisa brings some Republican lite votes, she gains woman votes, and it spits on Palin.

Posted by: texette at July 30, 2011 09:35 AM (pcdjz)

100 One of the Dems, I can't remember which, screwed up a little while and acquiesced that the Boehner plan does not cut SS or Medicare. Dreier took the time to thank him for pointing it out.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:36 AM (piMMO)

101 Considering the lessons learned with the repub establishment types in DC, perhaps we should start refering to the candidates we'd wish to see as "conservative".  The "R" is only a moniker of the party where the conservative movement resides. 

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 09:37 AM (21K2z)

102 Sean Duffy is pissed. Somewhere, the little Ewok is hearing the chime of the fapping bell.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 09:37 AM (piMMO)

103 When Democrats run out of adverbs and denigrating adjectieves they act in a Gaia respectful manner - they recycle and repeat the same adverbs and adjectives.   Case in point Debbie.  Did she say anything really different than other Democrats?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2011 09:38 AM (t7caZ)

104

I gave that former nude model Brown money for his campaign.  Piece of shit.  The only good thing he did was bury the premise that a Democrat would automatically replace that other piece of shit Kennedy.

Boycott Maine, it's a pretty useless state anyway.  We need to get rid of the wicked witches of the east and west.

Posted by: Jaimo at July 30, 2011 09:40 AM (8Mnyu)

105 77 Obama wants Murkowski as his next VP. Heavy chatter on this in big bundler circles. Supposed to be a personal slap at Palin.

Posted by: texette at July 30, 2011 02:20 PM (zt3lR)

Pfft.  As "As IF..." implies, she brings nothing at all.  Nobody's ever heard of her except Alaskans and junkies (political or otherwise).  She's not very attractive physically. She has no distinctions to her resume. She's an unpleasant personality. No campaign strategist would even entertain putting her on the ticket to spite Palin, even if she does run and get the nomination. 

It may be possible that there's buzz about Obama wanting an R as VP and LM being a likely theoretical candidate.  But if he goes that route, it's Jon Huntsman. He's the only "Republican" who would do it. In fact, if I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd claim that Huntsman was sent out by the Obama administration to cut ties with them and pursue first a GOP run, and then consider either an independent run or a run as VP.

But look, Biden ain't leaving without a fight. He'll take a lot of shit as long as he gets to remain on the ticket.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2011 09:41 AM (73tyQ)

106 Boycott Maine, it's a pretty useless state anyway

They have a quite awesome Tea Party governor.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2011 09:42 AM (73tyQ)

107 Related: "WH issues statement saying Obama would sign Reid bill"

Oh, and Nancy Pelosi, I don't say this often-- but STFU!

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:43 AM (o2lIv)

108 My best friend and her darling little girl are heading out...I'm going with them, but I'm not happy about it. -----++++----- Cute Girls deserve Cupcakes.

Posted by: garrett at July 30, 2011 09:43 AM (iHRw4)

109 16 I read that the U.S. Catholic bishops have come out for tax increases. They should STFU and stay out of this stuff.

Posted by: Y-not at July 30, 2011 01:55 PM (XiC+y)

When the Catholic church decides to cough up some of the trillions it has stashed at the Vatican for a "rainy day" then maybe just maybe I'll listen to anything the Catholic church has to say.  They're pretty useless.  They're like the rich liberal who cries that they're not taxed enough.

Ok Catholic church cough up, with all your money you can cure hunger every where in the whole world.

Posted by: Jaimo at July 30, 2011 09:43 AM (8Mnyu)

110 They're pretty useless.  They're like the rich liberal who cries that they're not taxed enough.

Actually, that's exactly what the US Bishops are in this case.

But it's really the rich liberal trust fund kids you're talking about. Most of these liberals who want "their" taxes to go up inherited their wealth.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 30, 2011 09:45 AM (73tyQ)

111

 "WH issues statement saying Obama would sign Reid bill"

 

Yes, but can he spell Syracuse?

 

Go Orunj!

Posted by: garrett at July 30, 2011 09:45 AM (iHRw4)

112 >>But look, Biden ain't leaving without a fight. He'll take a lot of shit as long as he gets to remain on the ticket. Speaking of Mr. Big Fucking Deal, where the hell has he been the last few months? Remember how the press used to laugh about Cheney in his bunker and rarely making public appearances? But Biden goes off the grid and nobody cares. He's a walking gaffe machine so you'd think the press would love to hear more from the guy. But that would hurt Obama and he must be protected at all costs.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 30, 2011 09:46 AM (TMB3S)

113 I'm going with them, but I'm not happy about it.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 02:33 PM (piMMO)

Put the Shopping Network on in another room for them.

Posted by: Tami at July 30, 2011 09:47 AM (X6akg)

114 I voted against Murkowski twice, because I knew exactly who she was.  Suck from the federal government teat for all it's worth.  That's who she is.

Posted by: Moonbat_One at July 30, 2011 09:48 AM (dUx55)

115 What happens when the Democrats run out of derogatory adjectives?
We invent new ones to show those inimloutec Republicans what for!

Posted by: the MFM at July 30, 2011 09:49 AM (oUG6f)

116 Pelosi: Republicans are destroying "the air our children breathe."

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:49 AM (o2lIv)

117 OT:
Cowboys and Aliens: A Review

1. Good movie. Sifty Approved: No sucker punches and no liberal bullshit.

8/10 Hippie Punches

Men are men. Women are happy about it.
No moral equivalency with the aliens. No agonizing navel gazing.
Preachers talk about God and people listen without laughing.
Guns are not demonized.
Dogs and kids and family are cherished and respected.
Nobody apologizes for who they are.
I won't spoil anything for you, but this is one of the most un-PC movies I have seen ever.
Go see it so they'll make more like this.

Daniel Craig:
loses a little of his short-man snottiness and plays a good knock-off of Steve McQueen. Not perfect, but you can kinda see Steve McQueen in the background at times nodding his head.

Harrison Ford: As awesome as I have seen him in years. The biggest acting stretch I've seen him make since Regarding Henry. Real acting and real emotion.
You'll love him, you'll hate him, you'll respect him, and you'll want to drink beers with him.
Freshest, most original-yet familiar new character I've seen in movies since, well, Han Solo.

Special effects are good.
Get to see plenty of the bad guys.
Plenty of action of many types.
No grinding, forced bullshit love story that slows everything down.

There is one disturbing part that made me actually have nightmares last night. Be ready for it. Suffice it to say that you will hate these fuckin aliens so bad you will want to kill some yourself.

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 09:49 AM (ECjvn)

118 Pelosi: Republicans are destroying "the air our children breathe."

At least she's not getting all hysterical and melodramatic about this.
Steady hand at the wheel and all that.

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 09:50 AM (ECjvn)

119 As much as I'd want to rag on that squishy metrosexual dipward Brown, he's still eminently better than a Kennedy or a Croakley.  Massachusetts is never going to send us anyone redder than a RINO, EVER, so I'll forgive him his sins.

The Maine sisters though have got to fucking go.  Maine has been veering more red in recent times, so it's ripe for an opportunity to get those shriveled up whiny little hags out of Washington for good.  There is no fucking excuse for states that lean red or ARE red to be sending us fuckstick RINOS. 

Posted by: The Man Between The Cans at July 30, 2011 09:50 AM (TCyyS)

120 Most of these liberals who want "their" taxes to go up inherited their wealth.

That is why the Prog/Libs dig INCOME tax increases. Another Fed door slammer on people trying to join the rich club.

Posted by: depressive realist at July 30, 2011 09:51 AM (le5qc)

121 Dreier rightfully points-out the lack of civil discourse from the socialists

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:51 AM (o2lIv)

122 Scott Brown, I ain't sending you money so stop sending me SPAM.

Posted by: journolist at July 30, 2011 02:07 PM (Fb9Q0)

I know a TEA Partier who asked for her donation back shortly after he was elected.  The staff had him call her!  She's always writing letters to "officials" at every level and is quite vocal about things that bug her.  It also helps that she's not easily flustered and has her ducks in a row. 

Posted by: RushBabe at July 30, 2011 09:53 AM (Ew27I)

123 More from that Pelosi rant:
The tea party = "the dark side."




Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:54 AM (o2lIv)

124 AmishDude, haven't you been following the "Lisa is one of the most attractive women on Capitol Hill" paens lately?  I heard this rumor first months ago, and then again recently in a different situation.  I thought it was complete crap the first time.  Now, I truly am not sure.  Hardly anything makes sense anymore.

Posted by: texette at July 30, 2011 09:54 AM (BWCTH)

125

This is my new favorite tactic that has become a staple of the Harry Reid Senate. Complain about a filibuster...even though there isn't a filibuster.

It used to be that you would actually have to filibuster before the other side started crying foul. Now? If Harry doesn't have 60 votes before debate even begins, he cries filibuster? Excuse me. So if votes aren't immediately moved to cloture before there is any debate time on the floor whatsoever, it's a filibuster? This is basically brand new under the Harry Reid Senate.

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2011 09:55 AM (OX4OZ)

126 Primary BROWN. Teach that ungrateful basterd as lesson. He's not a reliable vote anyway -- kick the bum out. And if he wins the Rep primary -- his losing conservative opponent should do Murkowski, do a Castle. Teach the country clubs two can play their disloyalty game.

Posted by: Jack von Bauer at July 30, 2011 09:55 AM (pEHGH)

127 Leader Reid? Since when was he leader of the Republicans in the senate?

Posted by: Jack von Bauer at July 30, 2011 09:55 AM (pEHGH)

128 I'd like to thank the good people of Alaska and the dip-shit "realists" who smeared Joe MIller non-stop. Thank God we have Murkowski instead, right!!!

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2011 09:56 AM (OX4OZ)

129 More from that Pelosi rant:
The tea party = "the dark side."

I could have sworn that the vast majority of the dark were on Pelosi's side.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 30, 2011 09:56 AM (TVvXc)

130 I'm starting to have a bad opinion about AL politics.  The senators they elect are shitstains.

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 09:56 AM (21K2z)

131 Was Obama at 50% or 52% disapproval yesterday?

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:57 AM (o2lIv)

132 The RC Church has a deficit of IIRC $3-million this year and brings in less money per year than even any single Ivy League university. And alot (most?) of that money goes to maintaining the artworks and buildings that are worth "trillions" but aren't exactly liquid.

The liberal bishops are wrong but sounding like some KKK or evangelical atheist dick doesn't make your case, Jaimo.

And if Johnson and the War On Poverty bringing the welfare state to new levels carried on till today couldn't beat 'poverty' in the U.S., I doubt the RC Church's fictional trillions would save the world.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 30, 2011 09:57 AM (oUG6f)

133 Pelosi: Republicans are destroying "the air our children breathe."


Hysterical,
   so We the Dem Party prefer children shouldn't be born to breathe that g-d awful air .

Posted by: willow at July 30, 2011 09:59 AM (h+qn8)

134 "Maybe when Pelosi accused Boehner of moving to dark side, she meant side of moon that was covered in yogurt"

/Philip Klein

I added the link for context.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 09:59 AM (o2lIv)

135 Effin Scott Brown. Maybe next time, instead of deleting emails unread, I might give him an actual reply.

Posted by: fluffy, Masshole at July 30, 2011 10:00 AM (4Kl5M)

136 Blue Dogs in House breaking against Reid

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:01 AM (o2lIv)

137 Harrison Ford: As awesome as I have seen him in years. The biggest acting stretch I've seen him make since Regarding Henry. Real acting and real emotion.

I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I love that movie. He is beyond fantastic in it.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:02 AM (piMMO)

138 Pelosi: Republicans are destroying "the air our children breathe."

Damn were good!  Cthulhu has nothing on us.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 30, 2011 10:02 AM (TVvXc)

139  
Boehner and McConnell holding join media avail at 3:30pm ET today. Post-vote on the Reid debt bill in the House.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:02 AM (o2lIv)

140

Ahh, the "blue dogs." These would be the guys that voted to table the Boehner bill because it went entirely too far as well as CCB, and will now vote against the Reid bill because it doesn't go far enough.

But, don't worry, they won't actually come up with the just right plan themselves. They'll simply vote against every single bill and claim the middle of the road mantle.

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2011 10:03 AM (OX4OZ)

141

Operation Birthday Turd is on track. Excellent.

Excellent.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at July 30, 2011 10:05 AM (GKQDR)

142 142 Ahh, the "blue dogs." These would be the guys that voted to table the Boehner bill because it went entirely too far as well as CCB, and will now vote against the Reid bill because it doesn't go far enough...

This is the House. 5 of them voted for CCB. Now 7Ds against Reid.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:05 AM (o2lIv)

143 Was Obama at 50% or 52% disapproval yesterday?

52% per Gallup.

Posted by: Retread at July 30, 2011 10:05 AM (G+7cD)

144 Couple of R's playing with their Yea vote...it's there, it's gone, it's back.

Posted by: Tami at July 30, 2011 10:07 AM (X6akg)

145 145 52% per Gallup.

Thank you! Couldn't remember.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:07 AM (o2lIv)

146 : Reid says he is coming to the White House

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:09 AM (o2lIv)

147 Reid says he is coming to the White House

Obama must need his balls scratched.

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:10 AM (ECjvn)

148 Pelosi lost 11Ds

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:12 AM (o2lIv)

149 Not even close!

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:12 AM (piMMO)

150

O/T, but indirectly tied to the debt debate.

Iraq to Buy 36 F-16's

Are they spending US taxpayer money that was gifted by Cankles and Barky secretly through the Department of State's budget?

I sell a very large and stinky turd in this mess.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at July 30, 2011 10:12 AM (Lt/Za)

151 "WH issues statement saying Obama would sign Reid bill"

Yeah, and I'd bang Katy Perry  but neither of us will get the chance.


Posted by: WalrusRex at July 30, 2011 10:13 AM (TVvXc)

152 : Reid says he is coming to the White House

He needs to walk in there, tell him that he's forwarding the deal that he and Boehner worked out, and dare him to veto it.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:13 AM (piMMO)

153 Hear our new song> I'll give you anything you want, don't bother me.

Posted by: Brown & the Witch Triplets at July 30, 2011 10:13 AM (0f7gD)

154 Selling F16's to Iraq is like handing a loaded revolver to a four year old ADD kid named Damien.

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:15 AM (ECjvn)

155 WalrusRex Agrees to Epic Sex Compromise With Katey Perry

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:16 AM (ECjvn)

156
Well, balls in your court Hairy!

Posted by: Jon "The Ball Buster" Boehner at July 30, 2011 10:17 AM (Lt/Za)

157

Well, Harry Reid can scratch my balls.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell, Taco Licker at July 30, 2011 10:18 AM (Lt/Za)

158 Selling F16's to Iraq is like handing a loaded revolver to a four year old ADD kid named Damien.

They're going to buy jets from somewhere. May as well be American ones.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 30, 2011 10:19 AM (LHAov)

159 Rubio live on Senate floor

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:20 AM (o2lIv)

160 Marco Rubiooooooo. Rolls off the tongue. Out of the gate swinging for the fences.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 30, 2011 10:21 AM (TMB3S)

161 make sure you thank your "heavy dem fundraisers" for destroying the economy when you get a chance.

Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at July 30, 2011 10:23 AM (qPTz0)

162 Rubio tearing the dems a new asshole.

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 10:23 AM (21K2z)

163 : From spox Steel about Pelosi "dark side" remark: "Boehner's longstanding support 4 a BBA has nothing to do w/ Darth Vader."

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:24 AM (o2lIv)

164 We were following the script from 2008. When the market collapsed after TARP failed, that spooked everyone enough to get them to fall in line.

Excellent.

Posted by: Montomery Burns/Obama at July 30, 2011 10:24 AM (TVvXc)

165

Heh, Kirk signed it.

Now, if he can hold the line representing Illinois, why do Collins, Snowe, and Murcuntski keep kicking us in the nads?

Posted by: CAC at July 30, 2011 10:25 AM (9tdDl)

166 Wow!  Rubio calling dems out by name.

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 10:27 AM (21K2z)

167 Oh, *snap*. Rubio brought quotes.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:27 AM (o2lIv)

168 I want to have Rubio's babies...hell, I'll give birth to a car for him.

He's using previous 2006 debt ceiling statements by Obama, Biden and Reid  against them.

Posted by: Tami at July 30, 2011 10:27 AM (X6akg)

169 They're going to buy jets from somewhere. May as well be American ones.

I would like them to be shitty jets so they are easier for us to blow up later.

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:29 AM (ECjvn)

170 Oh shit.

A birther on C-Span saying she has proof that Obama wasn't born in this country.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:29 AM (piMMO)

171 Rubio debating against Lurch.  No contest.

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 10:30 AM (21K2z)

172 They're going to buy jets from somewhere. May as well be American ones.

The excuse of whores and mistresses everywhere.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:30 AM (piMMO)

173 Rubio is besting Kerry. No contest.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:31 AM (o2lIv)

174 I would like them to be shitty jets so they are easier for us to blow up later.

This too

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:31 AM (piMMO)

175 Soona beat me to it.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:31 AM (o2lIv)

176 Rubio is besting Kerry. No contest.

What are you watching?!

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:32 AM (piMMO)

177 I am deeepressssed ---- no hope. 30, 40% or more have completely lost their minds, been hooked on crack and dem dealers (addicted to their power and importance and their dicks/clits) have zero scruples and will lie and steal and kill to maintain/expand their turf. They own the media and will repeat lies long enough to become the truth to the crack-addicted addled, feeble minds. Reason is irrelevant -- you can't reason with corrupt and the addicted -- all they care about is their dope and dead presidents and their whack delusions of grandeur. We're preaching to the choir, not convincing anyone. No answer but secession (and thus likely war) or long slow slide to totalitarian stuff and then bigger war, death and destruction. Anybody got anything real to pull me back from the brink of this dark conclusion? This is our history and future. Am open to any alternative any of you optimists can conjure. My friends and family think I am an optimist too because of course I never would say this out loud. PS -- I am not advocating violence, just pointing out its inevitability based on the dumbass, predictable course we are on -- the proverbial slow motion train wreck, but damnit, my kids are on the train!! Damnit!! Stop!! Hit the Break!! Too late. Advice? Signed --employed and solvent father and husband.

Posted by: Marc at July 30, 2011 10:32 AM (ABjpa)

178 Where is the Lurch vs Rubio?

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:33 AM (ECjvn)

179 He's using previous 2006 debt ceiling statements by Obama, Biden and Reid  against them.

Posted by: Tami at July 30, 2011 03:27 PM (X6akg)

 

And associating them to the Tea Partiers stand.  Love it! 

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 10:33 AM (21K2z)

180 C-Span 2

Posted by: Tami at July 30, 2011 10:33 AM (X6akg)

181 Nevermind, got it.

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:33 AM (ECjvn)

182 180 What are you watching?!

C-SPAN-2 live stream. Waiting for GOP presser on C-SPAN.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:34 AM (o2lIv)

183 Lautenburg is the living dead.

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:34 AM (ECjvn)

184

Folks at ALL American facilities that provide things like aircraft to foreign companies ALWAYS build in fail-safes that ensure that if any of the software is tampered with the system will gum up.

Same thing with the weaponry - they have ways to prevent the systems from being used against our side.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 30, 2011 10:34 AM (/kd4o)

185 Wait wait...  Did Drew fail to mention that these 43 assholes are despicable purists or did I miss it?  Was the mention of the idea of primarying Scott Brown all we get? We want our money back.

Posted by: The Pragmatic People's Front at July 30, 2011 10:35 AM (hbjRj)

186 Posted by: Waterhouse at July 30, 2011 03:19 PM (LHAov)

Waterhouse, it's good to see you here. When you went off last night to look for vids of Sophie Monk, I asked the morons to send out a search party with an ice pack and Gatorade to look for you if you didn't return soon.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:35 AM (piMMO)

187 Laut "the louse" Lautenburg.

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 10:35 AM (21K2z)

188 Democrats have bent over backwards to make a deal?

WTF planet are these assholes from?


Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:36 AM (ECjvn)

189 C-SPAN-2 live stream. Waiting for GOP presser on C-SPAN.

Shit! I've been glued to C-Span all day. I bumped down my cable subscription and no longer get C-Span 2.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:36 AM (piMMO)

190 Reid whining on C-SPAN. Face it, Harry, you don't have the votes. 

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:37 AM (o2lIv)

191 Lautenberg should have said "aw, fuck it" when he saw he was following Rubio.

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 10:38 AM (21K2z)

192 As IF....you can watch it online.

http://tinyurl.com/23rj8hr

Posted by: Tami at July 30, 2011 10:38 AM (X6akg)

193 Streaming CSPAN is working well today.

Too bad listening to these lies is making me want to destroy my computer.

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:38 AM (ECjvn)

194 193 Shit! I've been glued to C-Span all day. I bumped down my cable subscription and no longer get C-Span 2.

http://tinyurl.com/36jy6qu

You can keep switching. NRO's Tweet Tracker also brings congressional news live.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:40 AM (o2lIv)

195 Front-end financing Iraqi F-16's would have been an actual stimulus program...

Iraqi f-16's flying the Iranian border 24/7 sounds better than our F-16's...

Posted by: phreshone at July 30, 2011 10:41 AM (T3vCe)

196 No advice Marc, I believe the same.  Whatever happens in the end with this debt debate won't really matter.  The "cuts" real or fake don't matter, what matters is the debt ceiling number, that is the only thing that will happen, they will add that amount of debt.  Then they will raise it "to prevent catastrophe" and spend up to the new amount. There are no actual cuts ever.

So just hang in there and prepare.  That's all I think I can do to protect my kids. Hell, I wouldn't even vote anymore if I didn't have kids, but I figure the infinitesimal chance something good might happen is worth that 5 minutes.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 30, 2011 10:41 AM (0f7gD)

197 Iraqi f-16's flying the Iranian border 24/7 sounds better than our F-16's...

Iraq selling F-16's to Iran and North Korea in six months for money to build some new chateaus in Switzerland for a few crooks doesn't sound so good.

Posted by: sifty at July 30, 2011 10:43 AM (ECjvn)

198 The hold outs are exactly who you expect...Brown, Collins, Snowe and Murkowski. Who? Meerkatski? Methinks someone has forgotten the AoS Style Manual entry on the Great White Coke Scrunt.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 30, 2011 10:44 AM (9Lm5R)

199 Thanks for the link guys.

I'll bookmark it for future use. I bumped down my cable subscription when I realized that between Hulu and Netflix I could watch pretty much anything I wanted on-demand for substantially less cost each month. Given that, you'd think that I would have known to go online for C-Span2.

Duh.

Posted by: As IF... at July 30, 2011 10:53 AM (piMMO)

200 The 11 Dems who voted no:

Barrow, Boren, Braley, Loebsack, Matheson, McIntyre, Peterson, Ross, Schrader, Visclosky and Wu

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:54 AM (o2lIv)

201 Be more forceful, Mr. Speaker.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 10:57 AM (o2lIv)

202 Boehner: House vote shows "bipartisan opposition" to Reid plan.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 11:02 AM (o2lIv)

203 Wu voted AGAINST Reid's bill?! Hahahahahaha!

Posted by: museisluse at July 30, 2011 11:03 AM (4Lj43)

204

You too Wu?

 (couldn't resist)

Posted by: NY Betsy Rose at July 30, 2011 11:15 AM (QUUOj)

205 McConnell said earlier that he recently spoken to Obama, but Boehner did not openly indicate the same . Cantor's remarks on the floor indicate they are not sweating it.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 11:17 AM (o2lIv)

206 Republicans have tried to work with Democrats to solve the debt crisis, but "behind the scenes" Democrats insisted on huge tax increases, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz) said Saturday.

"Unfortunately, after weeks of negotiations, it became clear that Democrats in Washington did not view this crisis as an opportunity to rein in spending," Kyl said in the GOP's weekly address. "Instead, they saw it as an opportunity to impose huge tax increases on American families and small businesses."

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 30, 2011 11:20 AM (e8kgV)

207

I haven't read any of the comments, and I don't need to.  All of them are nasty and racist. 

I hope you bitter clingers are happy now.  It's just atrocious how you godless, evil racist Republicans will do anything to ruin Barack O'Jesus's birthday party next week.  You people are beyond the pale.  (And believe me, that's pretty white and racist from where I stand!)

Posted by: Marv Cloggenstein, Mary's Older Brother at July 30, 2011 11:38 AM (ihSHD)

208 "PS -- I am not advocating violence, just pointing out its inevitability based on the dumbass, predictable course we are on -- the proverbial slow motion train wreck, but damnit, my kids are on the train!! Damnit!! Stop!! Hit the Break!! Too late.   Advice?
Signed --employed and solvent father and husband.

Posted by: Marc at July 30, 2011 03:32 PM (ABjpa) "

 

It simply won't happen, we have been pacified.  The fact is back in the earlier years of this country's foundation we would have tarred and feathered 80% of the politicians and bureaucrats who caused this mess by now.  We would have ransacked the house at the Obamacare vote and dunked the loons who violated the public will to get the message across.  We allow people to sexually violate and humiliate our women and children at airports without any resistance.  So don't expect any shots to be fired any time soon or at all.  The Tea Party revolution and New Media are our last hope to rile up the cows happily being herded into the pen.

 

Posted by: Africanus at July 30, 2011 11:43 AM (Bo13R)

209

So I would say we have at least a chance of picking up 13 seats. I don't see us losing any seats unless primarying Snowe turns it over.

Brown is abo only one on that list that is at risk. And really, don't bother with Snowe. For reasons that escape most everyone, the people of Maine just love Olypia Snowe. Like the ONT Morons love them the boobies.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 30, 2011 11:47 AM (OWjjx)

210 Update via Andrew Stiles: "Sign of a deal? Senate will vote approx. 5:30 to instruct sergeant-at-arms to call all Senators to the floor..."

To vote on what exactly (after that)? That's awfully close and nothing new has been announced.

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 11:51 AM (o2lIv)

211

Update via Andrew Stiles: "Sign of a deal? Senate will vote approx. 5:30 to instruct sergeant-at-arms to call all Senators to the floor..."

Then later, the Senate will vote to have the clerk call Domino's for pizza. However, the vote on what actual pizza will be ordered may be blocked by Senator Al Franken (Idiot - Minn) because of the abscence of an all veggie pizza.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 30, 2011 11:57 AM (OWjjx)

212 After watching Dingy Harry last night lie his everf--king mind out last night I can not stand these people.  The "tea bagers" should dump them in the Potomac and drown the dumb asses.  Just ask Egore AlGore.  That will improve their carbon footprint!

Posted by: hous bin pharteen at July 30, 2011 12:00 PM (M+RZq)

213 Al Franken being elected as a senator is the reason that I have little hope in this nation recovering.

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 12:01 PM (21K2z)

214

We have to primary McConnell. Listen to how this idiot talks? "a national default is not an option." WHY DO THESE FUCKING IDIOT REPUBLICANS LET THE LEFT PICK THE TERMS OF THE DEBATE? Why does he willingly use their terms?

So here we are, the House defeating the Reid plan, the Senate defeating the Boehner plan, and instead of holding the fort, this dumbass is shaking in his boots quickly trying to make a deal. He simply CANNOT help himself. It's in his blood. If there is a problem, McConnell has to deal. Has to. It's never, in his entire legislative life, occurred to him to..you know..not make a deal.

Now, back to the primary thing. I'm all for going after these morons like he and Graham that happen to reside in States that are far redder than they are. Take this asshole down.

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2011 12:05 PM (OX4OZ)

215

Just thought the realists might want a score count: CCB- 46 Senators. Boehner bill- 41 Senators.

Now that second one was supposed to have a better shot at passing....

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2011 12:07 PM (OX4OZ)

216 I am not seeing anything that points to points to a deal being finalized. Also, Reid is still keeping the Senate in-session until 1am EST. Meanwile, Cantor has not reversed his statement the House will not be meeting for legislative business tomorrow (only pro forma session).

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 12:07 PM (o2lIv)

217

Then later, the Senate will vote to have the clerk call Domino's for pizza. However, the vote on what actual pizza will be ordered may be blocked by Senator Al Franken (Idiot - Minn) because of the abscence of an all veggie pizza.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 30, 2011 04:57 PM (OWjjx)

Speaking of Domino's and completely OT but....has anyone seen their new commercial with  'Jess' showcasing their 'Dominos Tracker'?  If so, can anyone tell me what sex Jess is?

Posted by: Tami at July 30, 2011 12:09 PM (X6akg)

218 219 Just thought the realists might want a score count: CCB- 46 Senators. Boehner bill- 41 Senators.

Now that second one was supposed to have a better shot at passing....



That was never the point for some of us, but there is something else to consider-- comparing the stats on Reid's bill. His proposal is in even worse trouble. Pelosi lost 11 Dems today and Reid has not yet wrangled 60 votes (if ever).

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 12:11 PM (o2lIv)

219

Oh, but when the President puts his stamp of approval on a bill and McConnell does too..it's all over at least in the Senate.

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2011 12:16 PM (OX4OZ)

220 That was never the point for some of us, but there is something else to consider-- comparing the stats on Reid's bill. His proposal is in even worse trouble. Pelosi lost 11 Dems today and Reid has not yet wrangled 60 votes (if ever).

Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 05:11 PM (o2lIv)

 

Let Aug 2 come and go, and then America may finally see what fucking dog and pony show all of this has been.  We definitely need to do something about our crumbling economy, but Aug 2 is not the deadline to catastrophy they want us to believe.  We passed that deadline a long time ago.

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2011 12:18 PM (21K2z)

221

Speaking of Domino's and completely OT but....has anyone seen their new commercial with  'Jess' showcasing their 'Dominos Tracker'?  If so, can anyone tell me what sex Jess is?

Nope.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 30, 2011 12:20 PM (OWjjx)

222 Nancy about to make stupid statement on Floor

Posted by: phreshone at July 30, 2011 12:21 PM (T3vCe)

223 223 Oh, but when the President puts his stamp of approval on a bill and McConnell does too..it's all over at least in the Senate.

McConnell could eventually endorse Reid's bill but that still doesn't provide the necessary votes. The House has also proven Reid's bill will not pass, suspension of the rules or not.


Posted by: 80sBaby at July 30, 2011 12:30 PM (o2lIv)

224

Re: the Lisa M rumors--

Women tend to vote for women, particularly those who aren't politically engaged--those of you who've worked local elections can probably confirm this.  If Bachman or Palin wins the nomination, that's worth 2-3% right there. You folks may not be aware of this phenomenon, but the Dems are, which explains the vicious attacks on those two and the attempts to promote DWS and LM as "cute." 

Posted by: artemis at July 30, 2011 12:43 PM (EL9AK)

225 217 Al Franken STEALING A SENATE SEAT is the reason that I have little hope in this nation recovering.

FIFY

Posted by: Grim Reality at July 30, 2011 12:56 PM (BkQvr)

226 So Dick Durbin is a lying douchebag.  I'm shocked that Dickbar Al Durbin has finally revealed his true lying colors.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at July 30, 2011 01:01 PM (3ESDJ)

227 I laughed at the opening line:

Dear Leader Reid.

Its like foreshadowing or something.

Posted by: pinchy migra at July 30, 2011 01:09 PM (pEKxc)

228 How is it that Madcowski even gets to wear a Republican hat after losing the primary?

Posted by: Bob Saget has not been banned yet at July 30, 2011 01:39 PM (NLWij)

229 AmishDude, haven't you been following the "Lisa is one of the most attractive women on Capitol Hill" paens lately? I heard this rumor first months ago, and then again recently in a different situation. I thought it was complete crap the first time. Now, I truly am not sure. Hardly anything makes sense anymore. They are grading on the Hillary scale.

Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2011 02:06 PM (Fw2Gg)

230

McConnell could eventually endorse Reid's bill but that still doesn't provide the necessary votes. The House has also proven Reid's bill will not pass, suspension of the rules or not.

-----------

You don't think McConnell gets something like 25 Rs, at least, to go along if he puts and then Reid gets everyone but Manchin and maybe McCaskil.

Posted by: Rich at July 30, 2011 02:09 PM (OX4OZ)

231 Here comes default!
wheeeeeeeeeee

Posted by: chemjeff at July 30, 2011 02:17 PM (1N25r)

232

FIAP

I'm having a ball watching the Senate (WMDB) whine right now......wheeee

CSPAN2 is great

 

Posted by: Tom22ndState at July 30, 2011 03:04 PM (rsIZH)

233 I wonder if there's a live blog somewhere. Anyone?

Posted by: Tom22ndState at July 30, 2011 03:07 PM (rsIZH)

234 I'm starting to have a bad opinion about AL politics.  The senators they elect are shitstains.

I assume you meant AK, unless Jeff Session has done something to piss you off.

Posted by: toby928 at July 30, 2011 03:27 PM (GTbGH)

235 I'm starting to have a bad opinion about AL politics.  The senators they elect are shitstains.

I assume you meant AK, unless Jeff Session has done something to piss you off.


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237 212 "PS -- I am not advocating violence, just pointing out its inevitability based on the dumbass, predictable course we are on -- the proverbial slow motion train wreck, but damnit, my kids are on the train!! Damnit!! Stop!! Hit the Break!! Too late.   Advice? Signed --employed and solvent father and husband. Posted by: Marc at July 30, 2011 03:32 PM (ABjpa) "   It simply won't happen, we have been pacified.  The fact is back in the earlier years of this country's foundation we would have tarred and feathered 80% of the politicians and bureaucrats who caused this mess by now.  We would have ransacked the house at the Obamacare vote and dunked the loons who violated the public will to get the message across.  We allow people to sexually violate and humiliate our women and children at airports without any resistance.  So don't expect any shots to be fired any time soon or at all.  The Tea Party revolution and New Media are our last hope to rile up the cows happily being herded into the pen.   Posted by: Africanus at July 30, 2011 04:43 PM (Bo13R) I am all in if/when it comes down. We are dealing with the "same old" from the beginning of time, nothing new under the sun, including nothing new under the sun. Might as well go down swinging -- Warsaw ghetto better than the cattle car. How about we just say no. The resistance is a better ending. Damn my girls are sweet. What did they do to deserve these morons? Nothing. That is what. I'll stay optimistic and hope your (our) tea party and new media do the trick. However, we can't be talked into compromising with looms and criminals -- we need to insist on boundaries, like dealing with a borderline personality disorder (exactly like).

Posted by: Marc at July 30, 2011 06:08 PM (daRZp)

238 This means nothing.  Just as with TARP at the last minute Reid will get what he wants.

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