January 31, 2006

24 Sold Out, Huh?
— Ace

I suppose they're too be lauded for avoiding the Hollywood perennial of the "superpatriot" who actually does terrorism himself to get more CIA funding/as a pretext to invade an innocent "Central Asian country" for so long.

And I actually agree with Mike/Mary. I was looking for them to make the President like Bush from the beginning of the season, and I think they were using his weakness as a Bush analogue.

Posted by: Ace at 05:53 AM | Comments (156)
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1 I finally sit down to watch "24" for the first time and in addition to that I had just posted the other day that we could find WMD hidden in Syria with Saddam's name on it with careful directions for AL Qaeda and the left would say Bush planted it there...and what does "24" do? Exactly that.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at January 31, 2006 05:57 AM (X7uuV)

2 My wife wanted to believe that Walt was just making up that ridiculous motive to dupe Logan. This is more disappointing than last year when 24 started taking orders from CAIR regarding the depiction of Muslims.

Posted by: Van Helsing at January 31, 2006 05:59 AM (h/PtQ)

3 Yeah, I definitely got a little annoyed that they went all West Wing with that. Of course, it was just a matter of time, once they added the weasel president.

what is amazing is that they allowed Jack to be so rough on the guy. I though that type of persuasion immediately made the info unreliable?

Posted by: wiserbud at January 31, 2006 06:00 AM (AQGeh)

4 ...they even threw in the obligatory "It's all for the oil" defense. Nice touch, that.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 31, 2006 06:01 AM (AQGeh)

5 Tell me what you know!

Posted by: Jack Bauer at January 31, 2006 06:03 AM (pzen5)

6 I have been waiting for the PSA from Kiefer saying that not all Russians are terrorists since the first episode. I wonder why they haven't done that yet.

Posted by: Mob at January 31, 2006 06:09 AM (f+cPk)

7 The current president, Logan, reminds me of one James Carter with his constant "deer in the headlights" way of confronting troublesome circumstances. What a weakass.

Posted by: THIRDWAVEDAVE at January 31, 2006 06:10 AM (deUrl)

8 Come now, Ace-- you know as well as I do that this isn't the whole story. If it's like every other season of 24, about episode 13 or 14, we'll learn the conspiracy is really run by the Trilateral Commission, the Loch Ness Monster, and the Lost City of Atlantis. They do that switch *every* year.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 31, 2006 06:11 AM (y1hCN)

9 The torture in this episode was definitely grotesque (even by Jack standards) and the plot more implausible than usual. I was skeptical when the season started, got hooked, but now I'm back to being skeptical.

Posted by: David at January 31, 2006 06:12 AM (/LSw0)

10 I was inclined to cut 24 a break for that piece of stupidity. For one thing, Walt Cummings came across more like a complete idiot than a sinister super-patriot. And watching Bauer threaten to gouge out his eyeballs was well worth the admission price. Also, series creator Robert Chapelle is a conservative (supposedly), so I'm hoping that "it's all about the oil, dude!" isn't going to become a major plot-point.

I'll go along with Van Helsing, though: the way Bauer bent over and made himself CAIR's bitch last season was pretty disturbing. Not a sign of things to come, we can hope.

Incidentally, the New York Times had a long article on the season premiere where they described President Logan as "Nixon lite." There. On the subject of Logan/Bush parallels, I believe the thinking has been done.

Posted by: utron at January 31, 2006 06:13 AM (CgIkY)

11 Yeah, but it was from Spartan.

Great scene. "Take out his eye."

(his subordinate looks at him questioningly)

"You bet your life. Take out his eye."

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2006 06:14 AM (UxtY9)

12 You can't read the 24-president as a Bush analogue. If you believe the hype, W's self-confidence, swagger and smirk defines him. Where's Logan's confidence or attitude? This president is something, or someone, else.

And, the only reason why you are still conscious is cause I don't want to carry you.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 06:14 AM (8TcCs)

13 The bad guys are Chechens, right? The ones who pulled off Breslan, where the tangos preferre to shoot at fleeing children instead of the attacking police. Not exacly Russians.

I wonder if Jack's gonna go through with the eye gouging with any bad guys this season. Let's not call what he did last episode torture though, he merely put the guy in apprehension of torture.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 06:19 AM (8TcCs)

14 I started watching 24 for the first time this season because I heard such fabulous things about it. I have thus far thought it was good-for-television fare, but the "Keep the oil flowing" liberal preachy patriots-are-lying-nutsacks crap was just an affirmation that network TV SUCKS, people!

Hollywood just can't help itself anymore.

I will now only continue to tune in because Jack Bauer is a walking bag o' sex.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 06:19 AM (qF8q3)

15 Yeah, I smell a lot more of Jimmy Carter and Nixon in Logan than any other POTUS-- indecisive, vain, and a micromanager.

Like MY boss!

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 31, 2006 06:20 AM (y1hCN)

16 Some observations for Next Season - as this season is about to go down the tubes faster than a wrapped up terry cloth towel down the throat of some guy named "Drazen"

Next Season:

* The President needs to be a ninja - none of the current wishy-washy vacillation going on this season, none of the David Palmer-esque resolute decision making - I'm talking Harrison Ford as President --- "Get off my plane!" ---- action - only with high carbon throwing stars.

For example, the terrorists steal something that either blows up real big or kills lots of people during a White House black tie dinner. President Willem Defoe then whips off his cumberbund, puts it over his head as a mask, flips the lapels to cover the shirt, sets the velcro tabs, and then says to SecDef Chuck Norris - "let's roll".

I want the Secret Service agents to get nervous when the President gets cranky.

* So far, Jack Bauer had a wife, sidekick, a daughter in peril, and this year some teenage guy with greasy hair. What Jack needs now is an oraungatang ... an oraungatang with an attitude, and some serious training. And I don't mean 'Koko 'show me your tits' kind of training. I mean training

Also, I've had about enough with Jack Bauer driving around in SUVs painted black - Jack Bauer needs to take a lesson from another bad-ass Jack, Jack Burton, and drive around in a Mack truck.

Preferably through Little China.

Where the President and Chuck Norris would be fighting ninja-style.

* and I've had about enough with the kinda/sorta well-dressed/well-pressed bad-guys, too. Enough already - two words: Lo Pan.

Now that's some serious badittude.

Anyway ... the highlight of this episode was ... well, there weren't any highlights. More stuff happened.

The nerve gas is loose in LA, and it's not on the way to Central Asia, which to judge from all the talk on the show, I guess, has a port.

Screw the cavalry - Ghengis Khan should've had a navy.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 31, 2006 06:27 AM (9XMl6)

17 Man, if only they set up a hard perimeter around that port.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 06:30 AM (8TcCs)

18 I want the next Prez in a scene where he's gettin a tattoo and smoking.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2006 06:31 AM (pzen5)

19 I found the lack of data mining in this episode....

disturbing

Posted by: D Vader at January 31, 2006 06:35 AM (5WEQS)

20 I will now only continue to tune in because Jack Bauer is a walking bag o' sex.

Dead on, sistah.

And Tony, once he's out of the coma, will add to that healthy chock full o' sex list.

Posted by: KevlarChick at January 31, 2006 06:35 AM (l7ZDF)

21 Bumperstickerist-- that was the funniet thing I've read here in a long while. OF COURSE Jack needs an orangutan, why didn't I think of that??

Oh, one other thing: is it wrong that I want KevlarChick and Jennifer in a "Flank Two" position?

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 31, 2006 06:36 AM (y1hCN)

22 I wonder why Bauer's never clean shaven in the show, but is on the Fox promo panel for the show, you know, the one between commercials where they turn around in a slow circle, like they're in a gigantic microwave oven with one of those rotating plates, except it's really big or else the camera is going around them in a circle. Maybe it's done with computer graphics. I don't know.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2006 06:40 AM (pzen5)

23 Another Kurt Russell rip-off that would kick things up a notch would be if Bauer's former CTU colleagues kept saying, "Jack Bauer!? I thought you were dead!"

Posted by: utron at January 31, 2006 06:40 AM (CgIkY)

24 OK, I'm familiar with agent lingo. Dave at GR, you want one on top and one on the bottom? And under duress--even better!

Copy that. I got your six.

Posted by: KevlarChick at January 31, 2006 06:40 AM (l7ZDF)

25 The producer is a long term republican in a town that hates republicans. I have faith in him and his show. It's way too in the season to know what's up.

Posted by: shawn at January 31, 2006 06:42 AM (D90f7)

26 "The President needs to be a ninja"

Good idea, but you're missing the obvious answer - President Jack Bauer!

Posted by: David C at January 31, 2006 06:44 AM (ui9fJ)

27 KevlarChick brings up a good point about Tony. The man must have nanobots in his blood or something. The guy gets SHOT IN THE NECK and he's off the operating table and back on the job in under twelve hours.

Does anyone doubt that this season in a few episodes Tony will be running around plugging bad guys, even with a stent in his head draining fluid? Meanwhile, Jack will be having his second heart attack, or maybe bleeding out from Marburg or something.

Seriously,Tony Almeida is like, the Best. Wingman. Ever. Can you imagine these guys in a bar together?

Jack: We need to move on that female suspect now, Tony.
Tony: We don't have the perimiter set.
Jack: Dammit, Tony! We need to do this now!
Tony: I'll move into the flank two position.
Jack: WE DON'T HAVE TIME!


Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 31, 2006 06:45 AM (y1hCN)

28 And Tony, once he's out of the coma, will add to that healthy chock full o' sex list.

Eh, I prefer blonds, but he'll do, too.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 06:46 AM (qF8q3)

29 Dave in Texas, please bro!

It's the walking bag o' sex thing to be scruffy. You know, rough, in a hurry, ass-whoopin', white hot, smokin' fine scruffy.



Posted by: KevlarChick at January 31, 2006 06:47 AM (l7ZDF)

30 Oh Kevlar, I get you on that. I don't understand why they shave him for the promo shot. Shining him all up really changes his look.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2006 06:51 AM (pzen5)

31 Dave in GR, to clarify:

Doesn't the Wingman take the ugly one so you can have the hot one? And then next week, you take Wing?

Just askin'. What with you flankin' on me and Jennifer and all.

Posted by: KevlarChick at January 31, 2006 06:54 AM (l7ZDF)

32 Yup. Think of the wingman as your "guest blogger."

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 31, 2006 06:56 AM (y1hCN)

33 But, for the rest of this season, here are my predictions:

Prediction 1 -

While the entire CTU/Anti-Terror assets are worried about the nerve gas, North Korean infiltrators will be shown backing a WWII diesel sub down the boat ramp on the north end of the lake created by the Grand Coulee Dam.

This will create a new set of villians which don't have the lobbying ability of CAIR concerns.

Geeky engineering concerns about the ability of a diesel sub to inflict structural damage to something that exceeds in volume the Great Pyramid will be dealt with by the screenwriters using ... ummm, harmonic generators ... yeah ... harmonic generators.

The crew of the sub will attach a couple of underwater devices from the sub to the wall of the dam and the harmonics created will cause the entire dam to weaken after three or four hours,, fail, causing a wall of water will head downstream all at once.

Towards Kim.

Sure, the crew of the sub will die, but better they die this way than to have Jack kill them. They're pragmatists.

Meanwhile, the Nerve Gas thing will sort of go 'poof' when the Russians detonate the cannisters and find out that they've been double-crossed. The substance inside the cannister is Glade air freshener.

It kills rats, too.

Prediction 2:

To boost ratings, for no apparent reason, Kim Bauer will be sun-bathing on the east shore of the Grand Coulee Dam lake this day.

Prediction 3:

... with her girlfriend

Prediction 4:

.... it will be a sunny, hot day ...

very hot.

.... and the girls will a lot of suntan oil will be needed

a lot.

Prediction 5

Kim, using her Bauer-Like Powers, will notice that something is "Not Quite Right" in the lake. It will be V created by the submarine's wake and/or a glimpse of the periscope that gives Kim pause as she's getting her back rubbed, the tension leaving her body.

She rolls over so that she can help her friend oil her hard to reach places, but decides to call her father.

Prediction 6

Jack's phone rings.

Prediction 7

43 minutes later Jack is parachuting onto Grand Coulee Dam or, alternately, HALOing directly into the water next to the dam with a scuba tank, a mask, fins, and pair of 24" bolt cutters.


So, it should be a good rest of the season.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 31, 2006 07:00 AM (9XMl6)

34 I'm willing to give 24 the benefit of the doubt, in this case. Remember, it's very topical-recall last year when they were going to croak the SecDef on the internet-so the nerve gas plot may have just been a plot device to explain how such a high level gov. official could have done something so evil. The show redeemed itself when Jack beat the guy to a pulp, anyway.

Posted by: UGAdawg at January 31, 2006 07:02 AM (wJxri)

35 ACE:

When I read this: "And I actually agree with Mike/Mary."

I literally wept with joy.

That's right, and it was the kind of inner joy one seldom experiences.

Oh, sure I weep from time to time, sometimes because of the horrible things people here say about me...sunsets that aren't as good as anticipated...a mixologist who doesn't know his or her ass from a hole in the ground...hoping geoff grows an inch...but mostly when I think about who we REALLY DO have in the REAL white house...that's when the big crocodile tears come.

Anyway...thanks for the props, you're a righteous Dude in my book.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 07:07 AM (leJWb)

36 Yeah, just as long as Jack righteously beats the snot out of some guy or chops off a finger or two every episode, 24 will continue to have some juice. That and gratuitous short skirts or first-lady cleavage.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 07:08 AM (8TcCs)

37 Two things.

One, BumperStickerist, you're killin' me.

Two, anyone else find it a little odd to accept Mike Novik as a good guy? I mean, IIRC, didn't the guy basically shove Ensign Ro down the stairs, and left her paralyzed? Don't you think that's the sort of thing likely to end up revealed on Hardball by now?

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 31, 2006 07:08 AM (y1hCN)

38 joeindc44:

When you say: "You can't read the 24-president as a Bush analogue. If you believe the hype, W's self-confidence, swagger and smirk defines him. Where's Logan's confidence or attitude? This president is something, or someone, else."

Pick up Moore's film and check out our REAL president, right after being informed of the 9/11 attack.

You'll see a "deer in the headlights" look that makes Bambi look like a frigging grizzly bear.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 07:13 AM (leJWb)

39 Keep an eye out for Jack.

Posted by: Duane at January 31, 2006 07:17 AM (leJWb)

40 Yeah, those seven minutes of "lets not scare the children by running out of here" followed by 4 years of hellfire and resolve.

Kerry, in his bid to be the first hindsight president, promised that he would have calmly excused himself. And then surrender.

You shouldn't let Ace's compliment go to your head.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 07:17 AM (8TcCs)

41 President Jack Bauer!

Much like Clancy making Jack Ryan the President, that would ring the deathknell for this series.

Unless, unlike Clancy, they make Jack's daughter the new "whatever it takes, kicking ass while wearing a slowly deteriorating shirt" hero. Now THAT would insure the success of 24 well into the future.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 31, 2006 07:27 AM (AQGeh)

42 Oh Kevlar, I get you on that. I don't understand why they shave him for the promo shot. Shining him all up really changes his look.

Yeahhh, it does....*sigh*

Scruffy, unscruffy...Kiefer has always been something good to look at, and this character just makes it worse...or better.

But I'm SURE you manly men don't care about that.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 07:29 AM (qF8q3)

43 joeindc44:

"Let's not scare the children"???

How about: "I just shit my pants."

But really...Joe, are you telling me that if you were reading a book to a goup of kids...and someone came in and whispered that your wife and kids were just kidnapped or were attacked...you'd finish up that book...so the kiddies wouldn't "be scared?"

You and I both know the honest answer to that question, don't we?

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 07:32 AM (leJWb)

44 I don't need to see Mary Moore's film because I was actually alerted by an email from GOPjew.com to turn on the news at 8:45am on 9-11-01. I saw the live TV get interrupted by Diane Sawyer and I saw the second plane hit the tower live. I also saw W get the word live. You can myth-create all you like, but deer in the headlight is wishful thinking. He looked thoughtfully away and then continued reading the book. It was frustrating to wait for him to leave that room, but I also recall watching the 6 Marine Corps. One helicopters land at the White House 9 hours later.

just piling on...

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 07:33 AM (8TcCs)

45 Mary Mike, you're an idiot. And why are you using the different names when everyone knows it's you?

Posted by: zetetic at January 31, 2006 07:36 AM (tDpXN)

46 Mary,

Threadjack much?

Stupid slut.

Same thing I posted yesterday.

Nobody cares. STFD and STFU.

Posted by: Gutless Poster at January 31, 2006 07:41 AM (nhH3s)

47 Maybe I would flail around the room like a chicken with my head cut off while shitting my pants.

He's a card player, he put on his face and ran the scenarios. But, if that's your criticism because Bush put on his game face or didn't do it just the way you wanted to, so what. He went to war while others wanted to call their lawyers and get a search warrant.

But your point is immature and irrelevant. Bush still had the nards to do what was necessary. Mary Moore was speechifying about how Osama needed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. How Afghanistan would be a quagmire for the US. Or how the US deserved it because of what happened in El Salvador in the 80's. Many wanted us to accept AQ's acts as natural results of root causes. Kerry made all sorts of safe noises, 3 years later, about going to afghanistan, forgetting the fears on his side about responding to OBL.

That's not Logan.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 07:43 AM (8TcCs)

48 I couldn't get through last nights episode. What's with all the crying? It's become Days of Our Lives with violence.

Posted by: scott at January 31, 2006 07:45 AM (Ffvoi)

49 But I'm SURE you manly men don't care about that.


Sure I care. It's just a marketing question really.

I'm one of those dads who shaves on the weekends. Having daughters I kinda felt the "scruffy dad" look wasn't the right thing to do. I mean, I don't put on a tie before I mow the yard, but I don't wear tshirts with holes in em, shabby shorts, that kind of thing.

Posted by: at January 31, 2006 07:48 AM (ATFQb)

50 I'm one of those dads who shaves on the weekends. Having daughters I kinda felt the "scruffy dad" look wasn't the right thing to do. I mean, I don't put on a tie before I mow the yard, but I don't wear tshirts with holes in em, shabby shorts, that kind of thing.

Hubby goes scuffy on the weekends 'cause he HAS to shave during the week, and he grows a goatee when on vacation. It's totally awesome.

And you know, your daughters do put it in perspective, esp. if you clean up to go to work during the week; they recognize that the weekends are your time to relax.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 07:55 AM (qF8q3)

51 So, if I am reading this correctly, thats a yes-vote from the ladies on men not shaving on the weekend?

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 08:03 AM (8TcCs)

52 Joe,
How can you say, "your point is immature and irrelevant. Bush still had the nards to do what was necessary."

...when Bush has NOT done what was "necessary."

Or, don't you remember that Clint Eastwood moment, when he declared that he's get Osama..."dead or alive."

Sure, we've invaded Iraq and pushed Afghanistan back to the top as an opium supplier (#1 in the world!!), but as for your claim that he had the "nards"...get real.

And whoever told you Bush was a "card player"?? I've never heard that expression used to describe him, by anyone, ever.

What card game...Go Fish?

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 08:07 AM (leJWb)

53 So, if I am reading this correctly, thats a yes-vote from the ladies on men not shaving on the weekend?

It really depends on how sexy the man looks when scuffy, Joe. Post a picture.

It also depends on what sort of sex acts you'll be engaging in, because getting rubbed raw by stubble is not fun (in some places).

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 08:09 AM (qF8q3)

54 Make that it's way to early in the season to know what's up. (Obviously, it was way to early for me when I posted.)

Posted by: shawn at January 31, 2006 08:14 AM (D90f7)

55 oh going to bed, without question. no woman should have to make out with a porcupine

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2006 08:15 AM (ATFQb)

56 You are pointless.

The particular card game's name was blocked by this stupid munu server, but its a popular game of cards, wherein there is a river, the game is named after the state of Texas.

I imagine that if your source of smirkymcburton information is moore, you only have the outlines of a cariacture. So you haven't heard of somthing? That's because you are an ill-informed twerp who likes to react to his/her own bigotries. You can read about the Harvard MBA card-game culture here.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 08:16 AM (8TcCs)

57 And whoever told you Bush was a "card player"?? I've never heard that expression used to describe him, by anyone, ever.

Geez Mike/Mary, maybe you need to do a little more reading:

The P*ker Player in Chief
and
Something tells me Bush holds all the aces

Posted by: geoff at January 31, 2006 08:17 AM (vpYuK)

58 Or, don't you remember that Clint Eastwood moment, when he declared that he's get Osama..."dead or alive."

More moronity by Mary M. For the umpteenth time, Mary/Mike, where's Osama? Why do you keep repeating this canard as if it's some weighty argument? Are you advocating an invasion of Pakistan to go get him? If not, then pick a valid argument for a change.

Posted by: geoff at January 31, 2006 08:20 AM (vpYuK)

59 ,i>and pushed Afghanistan back to the top as an opium supplier (#1 in the world!!)

Mary Mike - tell us, please, how many years was Afghanistan *not* the #1 opium supplier in the world? Even prior to the invasion? I'll give you a hint - it's a number very much like 1.

Posted by: geoff at January 31, 2006 08:22 AM (vpYuK)

60 So, if I am reading this correctly, thats a yes-vote from the ladies on men not shaving on the weekend?

Another yes vote here. Especially when accompanied by slightly tousled short hair and a killer grin. Mmmmmm...

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at January 31, 2006 08:23 AM (rE+jU)

61 The problem with shape-shifting trolls (ok, name changing) is that Mary could be the same idjit that didn't understand the concept of insurance deductibles last week.

As for 24, I felt a little let down when the president went for the scheme. But let's not panic, the show is not going to turn into Syriana just yet. We have suicidal Chechens running around the country with toxic gas. Jack needs to break some legs.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 08:23 AM (8TcCs)

62 Like Jack Bauer, I doubt I would care if Afghanistan is a major Opium country. That is, as long as there is no taleban there. Or that Shiites ran Iraq, as long as we have all 5000 tons of yellowcake, the centrifuges and Iraqi nuke scientists rounded up. Don't conflate the perfect world with getting rid of tango sanctuaries and suppliers.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 08:28 AM (8TcCs)

63 ...bush holds all the Aces

I don't know exactly what to think about this?

Posted by: at January 31, 2006 08:33 AM (nVA0o)

64 "I've never heard that expression used to describe him, by anyone, ever."

I wonder what else M/M doesn't know/ hasn't heard of?

Posted by: Joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 08:35 AM (8TcCs)

65 According to Mary/Mike and Michael "The Shambling Shitbeast" Moore, the President is the best damned actor there ever was.

They want us to believe that:

1. President Bush set up 9/11, as evidenced by his helping to fly Osama's family out of the country, BUT...

2. President Bush was caught so flat-footed by the 9/11 attacks that he was completely stupified for 7 minutes.

So President Bush can pretend to be THAT surprised about a plot he engineered all along, thus making him the best actor EVER.

Thanks for helping us see the truth, Mary/Mike! Bush is a genius!

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at January 31, 2006 08:35 AM (rE+jU)

66 Sue,
Most of you posting makes absolutely NO sense at all.

Where have I ever said "President Bush set up 9/11"???

And, yes he was literally "caught so flat-footed by the 9/11 attacks that he was completely stupified for 7 minutes"...you can watch that specific action on live viseo that was shot as it occurred.

Rent the video...watch him...then tell me he wasn't "stupified."

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 08:41 AM (leJWb)

67 Joe,
Who told you that there were "no taleban" in Afghanistan?

Or, that "we have all 5000 tons of yellowcake, the centrifuges and Iraqi nuke scientists rounded up"???

The same people who told you Bush was some kind of shrewd "card player"??

Was it...Rush? Sean? Michael? Bill? Annie The Walking Trash Barrel?

People want to know...provide links, evidence, facts.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 08:44 AM (leJWb)

68 Eye can see you.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 08:54 AM (leJWb)

69 All you wimmins who think Jack is so hot, you do realize that he's a midget, right?

Posted by: CraigC at January 31, 2006 08:56 AM (ASX9p)

70 Joe,

I'm good, no need to look it up for me!

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2006 09:00 AM (pzen5)

71 Dumbest. Troll. Ever.

And Kiefer Sutherland is NOT hot. He has gotten less funny-lookin' as he's aged, but that's about it.

Posted by: lauraw at January 31, 2006 09:02 AM (OfQIJ)

72 Producer/Creator/Writer Joel Surnow is a big conservative, friends with Rush even...so I don't think "24" fans have to worry that much. I think the show has always been fairly balanced, esp. when compared to other shows on TV.

Posted by: at January 31, 2006 09:07 AM (do8wq)

73 5-10 is shorter than I prefer, Craig, but that ain't midget sized. Mel Gibson is the same height and he's still fine.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 09:08 AM (qF8q3)

74 Jack isn't a midget, he isn't! It's not true! *sob*

And sometimes I kinda like that scratchy feeling on certain areas. Looks rugged and rough too. Nice.


Mary, please go away. We are having a swell discussion about '24' and the hotness of scruffy men.
You're just stepping on my buzz big time.

The rules of thread etiquette apply to a newbie like me. They also apply to fugly trolls like you.

Posted by: KevlarChick at January 31, 2006 09:09 AM (nhH3s)

75 munu just ate my responses, objecting to a cable news network's web address.

But, Mary is so pointless, so wrong.

I was going to joke about what he doesn't know, but I figured she would write back and illustrate it. Case closed.

Links include the centrifuge and scientist, the uranium.

You already illustrated you didn't bother to read the card game links. You are too busy reacting to your own prejudices. No, in your reality, there's no way that Bush could have done anything remotely indicative of less than a low grade level of intelligence. There's also the Butler report and so on. But he's not gonna read that either. Its so much better to react to one sentence from the 9-11 report preview.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 09:11 AM (8TcCs)

76 Yes, back to the topic at hand, my scruff.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 09:15 AM (8TcCs)

77 Steve McQueen? 5-9. And majorly hot.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 09:16 AM (qF8q3)

78 Two, anyone else find it a little odd to accept Mike Novik as a good guy? I mean, IIRC, didn't the guy basically shove Ensign Ro down the stairs, and left her paralyzed?

Mike Novik reminds me of Dick Cheney. Not to be messed with.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 31, 2006 09:17 AM (FA1TN)

79 He may not be a midget but whats with the ears?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 31, 2006 09:17 AM (J8+2b)

80 bbeck, are you sure he's 5'10"? I googled it and couldn't find any stats on him, but there's no way he's 5'10".

Posted by: CraigC at January 31, 2006 09:24 AM (ASX9p)

81 Dave in Texas / Joe:

Still "bunkmates" I see.

What I don't see is any evidence of what Joe posted.

As usual.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 09:24 AM (leJWb)

82 He may not be a midget but whats with the ears?

Not a thing wrong with those ears. Well, except for the fact that I'm not nibbling on them.

now this actor has wonky ears. They're crooked and one's bigger than the other.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 09:27 AM (qF8q3)

83 K.S. is actually 5'11'

And Mel is a stretch at 5'9"

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 09:27 AM (leJWb)

84 I'd like to see a scene where Jack gets clocked, I mean *POW* a shot right to the head but instead of little birdies or stars circling Jack's head, he sees bullets ....

... which fly out and kill the terrorists that clocked him.

.............................................................

Personally, I call '24' the "Jack Bauer Power Hour", but that's neither here nor there.

.............................................................

The Hot Chick Quotient (HCQ) is starting to get too low. The loss of Reiko Aylesworth and Elisha Cuthbert put a dent into this.

The show used up its allotment of Talk Soup hosts last season, so I'm thinking that they might take the show in a 'Girl Next Door' direction and have the Playmate who's in College, too, show up as a Division technical whiz and possible double-agent.

....

oh, and it took Kerry Man of Action over one hour to move from his chair upon being informed of the event. Sure, Kerry wasn't the President, but, judging from that day and from his actions during the campaign, it's clear that Kerry's no flint-eyed decisionmaker either.

Say what you will, but the Democratic Party showed that it can't defeat the Evil that is The Bush Regime. What makes you think that the Democratic Party could defeat actual, you know, Evil?

.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 31, 2006 09:27 AM (wbQhK)

85 Craig, the internet movie database (imdb.com) has both Sutherland and Gibson at 5-10.5.

Mary, F*** off.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 09:29 AM (qF8q3)

86 FOAD, Mike/Mary/Geno/Jersey.

This thread is about me. I don't have time for your threadjacking!

Posted by: Jack Bauer at January 31, 2006 09:29 AM (R8+nJ)

87 I would have to agree in some respect about the 24HCQ. Its trending milfy this season. Compare Jack's new squeeze to Audrey, both are hot. The show also seems to be in love with the first lady, sort of a shapely, female Kim Catrall. I'm not complaining, although if there were someone more in my demographic range, that would be cool too.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 09:34 AM (8TcCs)

88 Rush is doing "Facts about Jack Bauer" right now... LMAO

Posted by: Madfish Willie at January 31, 2006 09:36 AM (nVA0o)

89 Is Rush reading Ace's list?

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 09:36 AM (8TcCs)

90 Joe, heh.

Posted by: Bart at January 31, 2006 09:38 AM (3VQ8o)

91 BumperPool:
We're doing our best with that "evil" thing, and we realize they've only had the white house for 5 years, but until we can get control of congress...we'll just have to watch Bush do what he does best: Nothing.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 09:41 AM (leJWb)

92 Hey, Rush lives on a beach too. Mary M., have you ever seen him there when you're having cocktails and walking?

If you do, please say "hi". Thanks!

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2006 09:43 AM (pzen5)

93 That's funny, Joe, I was just about to ask for a show of hands on Audrey vs. the redhead. And the First Lady is Jean Smart. She's probably best-known for "Designing Women."

Posted by: CraigC at January 31, 2006 09:43 AM (ASX9p)

94 aw, whose a boring little troll?

24HCQ could use a mia kirchner injection.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 09:44 AM (8TcCs)

95 b..b..b..b..b..b..bbeck,
You can find movie star's heights, weights all over the place.

If you think I'm wrong...gosh, I just don't know what to say...I'm crushed.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 09:44 AM (leJWb)

96 ...we'll just have to watch Bush do what he does best: Nothing.

Aw Mike/Mary, now you're getting inconsistent. First you say that Bush is doing evil, then that he's doing nothing. Of course everything else you've said has been pointless and unsupported, and you've specialized in a ditzy oblivion to current events.

Given that track record, I suppose consistency would be too much to ask.

Posted by: geoff at January 31, 2006 09:45 AM (vpYuK)

97 Joe...

It's not "whose"...it's who's.

English course anyone?

Duh.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 09:46 AM (leJWb)

98 Audrey v Redhead.

Redhead is hot, has great hair and is shapely, showing off in her tshirt.
Audrey is hot, has great hair and is severe in her thinness, showing off with an ABK skirt.

So, you see divirsity is important.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 09:47 AM (8TcCs)

99 Had Bush jumped up and ran out of the room when notified of the attack, you wusses on the left would've said he panicked and scared the shit out of a bunch of innocent kids. Bush handled the situation just fine. Pull your skirts down, your string's showin.'

Posted by: THIRDWAVEDAVE at January 31, 2006 09:49 AM (deUrl)

100 Where have I ever said "President Bush set up 9/11"???

So you disagree with your buddy Michael Moore? Or is this the usual dishonest "I didn't say that even though I really believe it" bullshit that teenage morons like yourself always pull?

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at January 31, 2006 09:49 AM (rE+jU)

101 Sorry, little geoff:

You're right.

He's doing evil.

Now...how about some examples of anything GOOD that he's done??

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 09:52 AM (leJWb)

102 Now...how about some examples of anything GOOD that he's done??

Here we fucking go again.

Someone buy Mike/Mary/Jersey/Geno some new talking points, willya?

Posted by: Lee Atwater at January 31, 2006 09:53 AM (R8+nJ)

103 Exactly, TWD.

Bush gets up and looks composed, purposeful = "He set it up! He knew it was going to happen!"

Bush shows concern, waits for more info = "He's incompetent!"

Typical loser bullshit logic from typical losers.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at January 31, 2006 09:54 AM (rE+jU)

104 Talk about a boring troll. Wasn't there some troll who pulled the exact same threadjack, "what good has Bush done?"

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 09:55 AM (8TcCs)

105 Suzie...you're so cute...and always so wrong.

Michael Moore never said Bush "set up 9/11."

This is another right wing myth they use to perpetuate their agenda to discredt anyone who opposes their new "King."

But, just for grins...why not provide evidence of Moore ever making such a claim?

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 09:59 AM (leJWb)

106 Lee and Joe, MaryMikeGenoWhatever is a dumb little teenaged shit who trolls because his daddy doesn't pay attention to him any more after the divorce.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at January 31, 2006 10:00 AM (rE+jU)

107 No, Mary, I just don't care what you have to say.

Now, F*** off.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 10:01 AM (qF8q3)

108 STFU, "Mary." This thread ain't about politics. If you must hijack a thread, at least hijack one that's vaguely relevant. GO....AWAY.

Posted by: CraigC at January 31, 2006 10:03 AM (ASX9p)

109 B..b..b..b..b..b..b..b..but..bbeck:

You don't want to hurt my feeling...do you?

Posted by: at January 31, 2006 10:04 AM (leJWb)

110 Ditto what bbeck said, poor little loser troll.

Back to talking about sexy beard stubble.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at January 31, 2006 10:05 AM (rE+jU)

111 Suzie...where's that evidence of what you "think" Michael Moore said?

You weren't...lying...were you?

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 10:06 AM (leJWb)

112 Suzie...what's wrong with you?

Calling me "a dumb little teenaged shit"...really isn't nice.

Are you fat?

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 10:08 AM (leJWb)

113 Mary/Mike/Geno/Jersey/Fuckhead.

Please. I'm begging you. Start your own blog so you can rant and rave to your heart's content. Just stop with the fucking threadjacking, okay?

This thread is to talk about 24 and how hot Kiefer Sutherland is.

Whoops...did I say that out loud?

Posted by: Lee Atwater at January 31, 2006 10:09 AM (R8+nJ)

114 ok, I'm convinced.

no shaving on saturday.

unless I'm getting laid.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2006 10:09 AM (pzen5)

115 You don't want to hurt my feeling...do you?

No, I just want you to F*** off.

Back to talking about sexy beard stubble.

Jack's hair is too dark this season. I prefer it when the Kief is more blond.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 10:11 AM (qF8q3)

116 I, for one, vote that Ace permanently get rid of this little shitstain of insanity. It NEVER has anything INTELLIGENT to add to ANY discussion. ALWAYS threadjacking. Just a KOS sycophant (or is that psycopath?) mindlessly spewing out the talking points his left-wing media masters have e-mailed to him the night before, cutting and pasting his ass off, with no thoughtful commentary - with the goal of challenging other people's opinions - to back up his point of view. Just 99% crap. WTF?

Posted by: Madfish Willie at January 31, 2006 10:12 AM (nVA0o)

117 unless I'm getting laid.

Personally, I don't mind having a little chin chafing after an extended kissing session.

I repeat, chin ONLY.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 10:13 AM (qF8q3)

118 Madfish,
What you REALLY mean is this:

He/She doesn't say what WE ALL want to hear.

He/She just won't adhere to the rules of this blog: SUPPORT EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING G.W. DOES!!!

He/She disagrees with me...and other people, too. That's BAD.

He/She keeps asking for a reasonable or logical response to comments and questions.

He/She even wants facts and evidence, not the standard anecdotal bullshit we love to throw around.

And...He/She does't love Rush, Sean, Michael, Bill or even Ann-The-Walking-Talking-Trash Barrel.

Help us, Ace...we don't have the guts or fortitude to stand up to this person.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 10:19 AM (leJWb)

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at January 31, 2006 10:21 AM (rE+jU)

120 Stop feeding the troll, everyone, me included.

Posted by: CraigC at January 31, 2006 10:26 AM (ASX9p)

121 Dave in Texas,

Got plans Saturday?

Posted by: KevlarChick at January 31, 2006 10:27 AM (nhH3s)

122 Ummm, Mary/Mike -

Not that you're easily sidetracked by your reading comprehension deficit, but you seem to have missed the point of Sue's earlier post. Here it is again for your benefit.

You may want to move your lips while reading as this often aids comprehension

Sue:

They want us to believe that:

1. President Bush set up 9/11, as evidenced by his helping to fly Osama's family out of the country, BUT...


Put in the key qualifier 'as evidenced' into the mix, understand that Sue is making a point rather than quoting somebody verbatim and there you have it: a valid point by Sue.

While your head is stuck up your rebuttal.

....................................................

Anyway, Jack's Shoulder Bag of Death is new for this season. I figure he'll have a Fanny Pack of Destruction for the second half of the day.

and, fwiw, I think Chloe is Ace's Perfect Woman

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 31, 2006 10:28 AM (wbQhK)

123 Will somebody please ban that stupid, insipid bitch of a troll?

People, please stop addressing her.

Posted by: Gutless Poster at January 31, 2006 10:29 AM (nhH3s)

124 plans on saturday?

maybe. should I go ahead and shave?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2006 10:32 AM (pzen5)

125 Mary M,
What I REALLY mean is this:

He/She doesn't say what anything with original thought and analysis with actual facts to support his/her opinion.

He/She just won't adhere to the rules of this blog: Stay on topic of the thread; Don't cut and paste entire articles into the comments - use a link!

He/She disagrees with me...and other people, too. That's fine - as long a you want to engage in an intelligent discussion and not just parrot the left's talking points without any independent thought.

He/She keeps asking for a reasonable or logical response to comments and questions - even though he/she is not capable of providing the same coutesy to the questions and arguements posed to him/her.

He/She even wants facts and evidence, not the standard anecdotal bullshit we love to throw around - although that is the vary style that he/she uses to engage in what he/she would view as reasonable discourse.

And...I' pretty sure no one cares who you do or don't like - that's your business not ours.

Help us, Ace...we don't have the guts or fortitude to stand up to this person. - or Ace could just tell me to go ahead and ban your dumbass, since I still have access to the site.

Posted by: Madfish Willie at January 31, 2006 10:33 AM (nVA0o)

126 Beard stubble? Short men? How tall is Tom Cruise?

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at January 31, 2006 10:37 AM (rE+jU)

127 Jack's Shoulder Bag of Death

A stroke of genius, Bumperstickerist!

Now darling man-purses will become all the rage.

Whatcha got in there for me, big guy?

Posted by: KevlarChick at January 31, 2006 10:39 AM (nhH3s)

128 Look, all we need to do is setup a hard-perimeter in a 10-block radius around the troll. We'll need satellite surveillance and I need an ETA on our backup.

We don't have time to wait for our backup, we'll need to go in in a standard 3 by 2 tactical formation.

Are you getting this, Chloe?

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 31, 2006 10:40 AM (8TcCs)

129 Beard stubble? Short men? How tall is Tom Cruise?

5-7, reaching midget-like territory for a man. He's a weenie either way.

Posted by: bbeck at January 31, 2006 11:09 AM (qF8q3)

130 Tom Cruise. Eww.

Psycho can't make money without a "beard."

Posted by: KevlarChick at January 31, 2006 11:41 AM (nhH3s)

131 I want the truth!

Posted by: Tom Cruise at January 31, 2006 11:48 AM (pzen5)

132 K-Chick,
I think I speak for all of the guys here when I say we draw the line at man purses.

Cool fact: Jack Bauer likes to hunt trolls.

Posted by: The Real Steve at January 31, 2006 12:05 PM (n0lBX)

133 24 has NOT sold out! Remember that Blue Guy tells Walt, "There's only one thing you can do" before he "confesses" to the President and plays the "patriot" card. It's part of the plot.

Logan is NOT President Bush. I think he's portrayed as they think Kerry would have been if elected.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at January 31, 2006 12:19 PM (pRv6J)

134 Dave in Texas,
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but we've been trying to roust Rush out here on the beach.

At first we thought it was a whale who had beached himself, but no...it was ol' Rushie, passed out from another overdose of downers and roast beef.

You do know he's gained back all that weight...the man is as fat as a fucking pig, but damn, nobody cares, because he offers excellent pricing on th drugs he can't ingest himself.

Didn't he say something about sending ALL drug users "up the river?"

Oh, well...

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 12:50 PM (leJWb)

135 First: BumperStickerist,
NO, Suzie didn't quote Michael Moore, she just said that his film wants us to "believe" Bush set up 9/11...which is bullshit...and I notice she hasn't responded to my challenge of that fact.. but it's nice of you to defend her honor, that is, if she actually had any.

And now...Fish-Face:
All you're doing is "parroting" what I've already said, and still without any form of discussion, rebuttal, facts or evidence.

And, what's with the: " Ace could just tell me to go ahead and ban your dumbass, since I still have access to the site"...whining routine??

Isn't "banning" someone with whom you disagree a form of censorship? Don't you believe in our constitutionally guaranteed "freedom of speech?"

I realize some of the things I say, at least to you and the rest of the dummies her, are probably comparable to screaming fire in a packed theater...and that some of you may try to get away from the computer so fast you run into walls...but, hey, Bush does things like that every day...and he's your "King."

C'mon, Fish-Face...be a man...for a change.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 01:11 PM (leJWb)

136 Can I assume you all know that Laura Bush had a beard when she attended college?

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 01:13 PM (leJWb)

137 Thomas "FU" Jefferson..or...another gutless poster:

Sorry, but I have no idea what Kos or Atrios is.

I read newspapers, periodicals and books.

Give it a shot...you'll be amazed at what you don't know.

And what's with the FU Jeffeson comment?

Now you're down on Tom?

Strange indeed.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 01:25 PM (leJWb)

138 Now that's the laugh of the day. Here we have a sissy boy using a female name telling someone to act like a man. ROFLMAO!

Posted by: The Real Steve at January 31, 2006 01:27 PM (n0lBX)

139 Where's Mike?

Posted by: Pat O'Brien at January 31, 2006 01:27 PM (JV5Qt)

140 It was actually more of a trimmed goatee, but I swear...she even wore it while on the lumberjack team.

Really.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 01:29 PM (leJWb)

141 Thomas "FU" Jefferson,
Thank God we got that straight, for a second there I thought you were making fun of me.

Oh, and you can also fornicate thyself with thy fist and a very large ball.


Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 01:35 PM (leJWb)

142 The Real Steve,
"Sissy boy"...??

Wow.

I mean, calling me a fucktard, troll, asshole, communist cocksucker, liberal prick, left wing jerkoff, etc...etc...well, I can deal with that...

...but calling me a "sissy boy"...that is downright hurtful.

I want an apology...and I think most of the people here, deep down in their black little right wing hearts...know I deserve one, too.

Posted by: at January 31, 2006 01:41 PM (leJWb)

143 Sorry, I soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo upset by the "sissy boy" comment I forgot to post my name.

Forgive me.

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 01:42 PM (leJWb)

144 Pat O'Brien,
Mike's stopping by later...for sunset and cocktails.

Want to come along?

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 01:44 PM (leJWb)

145 All you're doing is "parroting" what I've already said...

I parrot you because I mock you, bonehead. Are you too fucking stupid to realize your being made fun of?

...still without any form of discussion, rebuttal, facts or evidence.

I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well ... it didn't really say anything. You need to improve your reading and comprehension skills, as my rebuttals were in every sentence.

..whining routine?

You have insulted me. Please put down that table lamp and stand still so that I may pelt you with little packets of unpronounceable imported cheese!

Posted by: Madfish Willie at January 31, 2006 01:45 PM (nVA0o)

146 Gawd this is boring, Mary. Even the Laura Bush-beard thing fell flat.

Tell us about your hooters.

Posted by: geoff at January 31, 2006 01:49 PM (vpYuK)

147 Fish-Face,
I forgot "bonehead."

Sorry.

And, little geoff:
As for Laura's beard...well, you had to see it to appreciate the damn thing...it kind of looked like a little pussy on her face, but without the good parts.

Have you ever seen a pussy?

Posted by: Mary M. at January 31, 2006 01:58 PM (leJWb)

148 Hooters, Mary. Don't go wandering around on me (again). Focus on the hooters. Type about the hooters. On-topic. Focused. Hooters.

Posted by: geoff at January 31, 2006 02:00 PM (vpYuK)

149 Mary M.!

Rush gained all the weight back and is fat again?

Darn.

Are we talking "old Rush" fat, or "Michael Moore" fat?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2006 02:02 PM (BSzSC)

150 Pat O'Brien,
Mike's stopping by later...for sunset and cocktails.

Want to come along?


I want to make you crazy.

Posted by: Pat O'Brien at January 31, 2006 02:08 PM (JV5Qt)

151 "Mike's stopping by later...for sunset and cocktails."

It's not fucking true...I've been dumped...just like Jersey.

Not good enough anymore...too beaten down...kicked around...

Our poster cries himself to sleep over this blog...you know...that's why he has to change names like diapers...

His friends know him as something of a loose sphincter who likes the bump and grind. I mean...shit disturber who likes the back and forth.

Posted by: Mike at January 31, 2006 02:12 PM (JV5Qt)

152 "It's not fucking true...I've been dumped...just like Jersey.

Not good enough anymore" - Mike

If even you got the message, why can't your moron Mary M persona also get it?

I know if had to choose between the two, I'd rather deal with the oh so 1874 3 saloon keeper than the Dumbest. Troll. Ever.

Posted by: max at January 31, 2006 02:28 PM (0VsCc)

153 Mike and Mary M -

Before you leave smile together please

[Click]

Now say together please "I love President Bush"

[Click]

Camera registers major earthquake in the saloon on the beach. Mike drops dead.

Now say please "Jeb in 08"

[Click]

Camera breaks but film is intact. Mary M moves to another planet.

Thanking you for your cooperation. Rest assured your photos will be used for photoshop purposes only.






Posted by: Random Max at January 31, 2006 02:35 PM (0VsCc)

154 Wait a minute. The weak-president story-line is a great warning. No weak presidents! How in the world does that make you think of Bush??? The only Democrat it doesn't fit to a tee is Hillary, but it does capture her on the venal-calculating end. Dems are gutless and unprincipled. 24 is brutally slamming gutless and unprincipled. Yahoo.

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155 stop feeding it or i'll take it to the troll pound

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