March 07, 2007
— Ace Well, I have no idea if this guy is gay. Nor if he was in gay porn. (Incidentally, being in gay porn doesn't make you gay, exactly -- a lot of straight male porn stars do gay porn because that's where the money is if you're a guy in porn. You're not really the star of a straight porno, after all. And I have to imagine that having gay sex as a straight man is a pretty nasty experience, even if you're doing it willingly for the paycheck.)
So what did he do, exactly, to deserve being outed for this (alleged) disreputable past?
Oh, you know, the normal: He dared to be a conservative who supports the war and complained of Columbia's anti-military attitudes.
I'm not going to link James Joyner for this, because I'm kind of tired of this kind of bullshit. But Don Surber quotes him thus:
surely, Blumenthal is right that there is a faction of the conservative movement that exploits anti-gay sentiment for political gain. Its not unreasonable to point that out.
Praytell, James, what exactly is Max Blumenthal doing when he dishes dirt like this? Isn't he, too, attempting to exploit that same anti-gay sentiment for political gain?
Why is it that when Republicans knock Democrats for being gay (which they almost never do; when's the last time a Democrat was outed?), it's "pandering to anti-gay bigotry," but when liberals do the same thing -- for the exact same purpose, to play to anti-gay bigotry -- it's merely "exposing the hypocrisy of conservatives"?
Do they not simultaneously "expose the hypocrisy of liberals" in doing so?
Well, I'm tired of it. You know what? I've got a tip about who the closeted gay Democrats in DC might be, and I decided it was beneath me.
It still is beneath me, but fuck it, I think I'm going to publish it anyway.
We can both play this game and destroy reputations if the liberals like. I'd prefer not doing so, but as moral suasion means nothing to these machivellian marxists, it's time to fight fire with fire.
Hypocrisy? Whatever. I think remaining closeted as an elected Democrat, a party so, so, sooo dedicated to gay rights, is pretty hypocritical. As is remaining with a wife in a loveless marriage while you score young hot things at gay DC clubs just to preserve your political viability. I've decided -- just me; the hell with what they might think -- that they should be out and proud and representing the gay community as declared gays, and if they aren't, they're hypocrites who deserve to be outed.
By me.
Just like AmericaBlog and Max Blumenthal get to decide if closeted conservative gays can remain such, I'm arrogating that decision as regards closeted liberal gays to myself.
Why not?
Eh, I don't really need a justification. When the names come out, and lives are -- well, if not ruined, definitely worsened -- the Democrats can thank Max Blumenthal, AmericaBlog, and all the other leftist gay-baiters.
Eh, Who Am I Kidding, It Is Beneath Me: I don't want my claim to fame being the right's version of Mike Rodgers.
But you guys ought to know: You're not the only ones with "The List."
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I literally can't stop myself!
Posted by: Max Power at March 07, 2007 01:35 PM (q177U)
Woot! The AoS motto should be, yes, its beneath us, yes, we do it anyway.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 01:38 PM (w4Bx4)
Posted by: The Apologist at March 07, 2007 01:41 PM (qIgHd)
Posted by: geoff at March 07, 2007 01:42 PM (Fx6Qk)
Posted by: mikeyslaw at March 07, 2007 01:44 PM (yrptY)
Is there a shocking (well, maybe not shocking) addendum to the AoS LifestyleTM on the way?
Posted by: Drew at March 07, 2007 01:45 PM (gNyUT)
And besides, the cat's already out of the bag, thanks to Ann Coulter.
Posted by: sandy burger at March 07, 2007 01:45 PM (K2rlS)
PrOn flicks have little to do with acting, so we can eliminate that excuse. We can also rule out 'experimentation.'
I really don't think we can chalk up getting anally penetrated by a dood as 'another day at the office,' so that eliminates that excuse.
Posted by: Bart at March 07, 2007 01:46 PM (sI9JF)
Outing actual gays isn't enough. We need to start outing random Democrats. Only that is irresponsible enough to be worthy of the AoS(tm) lifestyle. Harry Reid likes men. Random House Staffer X likes men. Hillary Clinton likes men. And so on.
Actually, I think there's something to be said for tit for tat. In the long run, it might put a stop to the whole nonsense and save people a lot of grief.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 01:47 PM (w4Bx4)
It's method acting, all about finding the muse, discovering your character's motivation ... it's ... oh F it, I got nuttin'.
Just Don't do it Ace.
Posted by: A slightly decomposed Johnnie Cochran at March 07, 2007 01:49 PM (ATbKm)
Posted by: Toby928 at March 07, 2007 01:49 PM (ATbKm)
indiscreet but, um, how come you know so much about the subject?
I read about it one time. Apparently the, um, bigger male porn stars tend to do gay porn under different names.
I know a lot about porn. Nina Hartley was a nurse. I know porn is largely controlled by the mafia, for money laundering purposes -- it doesn't make nearly the profit the books claim it does. Etc.
Posted by: ace at March 07, 2007 01:49 PM (+u1X0)
Posted by: Max Power at March 07, 2007 01:51 PM (q177U)
And I think that's how the AIDS scare happened in the porn community a few years ago -- by transmission from a male actor working in gay porn.
Didn't the porn blogger Luke Ford cover that stuff? I think he did.
Posted by: ace at March 07, 2007 01:51 PM (+u1X0)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 01:51 PM (w4Bx4)
Plus, you know the guy will just end up writing a book and end up being treated like a hero on Oprah.
Posted by: T-web at March 07, 2007 01:53 PM (57znu)
Posted by: Sinistar at March 07, 2007 01:55 PM (oHd6r)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 07, 2007 01:55 PM (5OYu4)
Posted by: ace at March 07, 2007 01:55 PM (+u1X0)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 07, 2007 01:57 PM (5OYu4)
Posted by: sandy burger at March 07, 2007 01:57 PM (ePQxy)
I'm starting my own party. The Party of Fuck You Guys, I Like Liquor And Guns And Nudie Pics And Jesus But Don't Tell Jesus About The Nudie Pics, Or My Kids Until They're In College, Oh And Fuck The Government And Boo Taxes And Yay Constitution.
Posted by: rho at March 07, 2007 01:57 PM (aLDBr)
Posted by: allswell at March 07, 2007 01:58 PM (IdO5D)
Posted by: ace at March 07, 2007 01:59 PM (+u1X0)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 07, 2007 02:00 PM (5OYu4)
That's not gonna happen if you don't do it, Ace.
Posted by: papalovesmambo at March 07, 2007 02:01 PM (62TdC)
It was that NJ Governor mcgreevey. Of course he outed himself to distract from his massive corruption.
Posted by: cameo at March 07, 2007 02:01 PM (DbDi4)
Posted by: Fierce Scorpion at March 07, 2007 02:02 PM (CdPfY)
My heart says no, keep the high ground.
My brain says Machiavelli would.
I'm conflicted here...
Posted by: Sinistar at March 07, 2007 02:02 PM (oHd6r)
So, while i have a long list of Dems I would like to see be humiliated, it is a battle not worth winning in the larger war.
Posted by: headhunt23 at March 07, 2007 02:02 PM (OMCBg)
What about Heather Hart?
And... look, I've got this really cool script I've been meaning to get into someone's hands in Hollywood. And I thought i had this connection, but he's like, I don't know, a total EDWARDS if you know what I mean...
Posted by: ace at March 07, 2007 02:04 PM (+u1X0)
Posted by: Roy at March 07, 2007 02:05 PM (pO2Jg)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 02:05 PM (w4Bx4)
It's like moral authority. Just who follows orders or basically does anything at all on the basis of moral authority, anyway? I'll supply the answer - absolutely no one.
For the notpickers, who will mention that many people make decisions based upon morals - that is correct, and more power to them. Let's just not get confused by moral behavior versus behavior mandated by 'moral authority'.
Posted by: West at March 07, 2007 02:05 PM (/V4fP)
Posted by: Sinistar at March 07, 2007 02:06 PM (oHd6r)
Posted by: papalovesmambo at March 07, 2007 02:06 PM (62TdC)
Two wrongs do not make a right, Ace. Resist the urge to be known as Ace, Destroyer of Lives.
(Okay, I may have just destroyed my case.)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at March 07, 2007 02:07 PM (OQELY)
But then I remember hearing from many on the right over the last couple days that just because the left does something doesn't mean we should because we are better.
The other side is wavering. I don't like unilaterally disarming against hypocrites.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2007 02:07 PM (t+mja)
That was Holmes and he was already hiv+ and knew it when he went to Italy to make films. And no way did one infected person pass on hiv to the porn industry. Those people were fkn everything in in sight without condoms back then.
Posted by: Red at March 07, 2007 02:08 PM (G6Vo7)
Outing is a disgusting practice on a personal level.
Sometimes we get a piece of radioactive gossip in our hands. Keeping it to ourselves is a matter of character.
Whatever small political payoff is not worth the hit you take by doing it.
Posted by: lauraw at March 07, 2007 02:09 PM (DbybK)
Fierce Scorpion nailed Nina Hartley.
It's not a stunt. I've got a tip, I could do it, I feel pretty crappy about it and I will probably not do it once I've had timee to mull it over.
But there is "The List," and who knows, maybe it will get circulated.
Posted by: ace at March 07, 2007 02:09 PM (+u1X0)
Posted by: RED at March 07, 2007 02:10 PM (G6Vo7)
Posted by: Eric at March 07, 2007 02:10 PM (XIXhw)
Harold Ford Jr.?
That rep from CA that looks like a pig?
That rep from OH that has hair like SchlepRock's head who went to jail?
Er, you're not blinking.
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 07, 2007 02:10 PM (JefgB)
Publishing that kind of stuff doesn't help anyone.
Posted by: Dale at March 07, 2007 02:11 PM (IKieJ)
Doubt its the same girl though. Hopefully.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 02:11 PM (w4Bx4)
Comic Book Hero Captain America Dies
By Associated Press
Wed Mar 7, 5:52 AM
NEW YORK - Captain America has undertaken his last mission _ at least for now. The venerable superhero is killed in the issue of his namesake comic that hit stands Wednesday, the Daily News reported.
On the new edition's pages, a sniper shoots down the shield-wielding hero as he leaves a courthouse, according to the newspaper.
It ends a long run for the stars-and-stripes-wearing character, created in 1941 to incarnate patriotic feeling during World War II. Over the years, an estimated 210 million copies of "Captain America" comic books, published by New York-based Marvel Entertainment Inc., have been sold in a total of 75 countries.
But resurrections are not unknown in the world of comics, and Marvel Entertainment editor in chief Joe Quesada said a Captain America comeback wasn't impossible.
Still, the character's death came as a blow to co-creator Joe Simon.
"We really need him now," said Simon, 93, who worked with artist Jack Kirby to devise Captain America as a foe for Adolf Hitler.
According to the comic, the superhero was spawned when a scrawny arts student named Steve Rogers, ineligible for the army because of his poor health but eager to serve his country, agreed to a "Super Soldier Serum" injection. The substance made him a paragon of physical perfection, armed only with his shield, his strength, his smarts and a command of martial arts.
In the comic-book universe, death is not always final. But even if Captain America turns out to have met his end in print, he may not disappear entirely: Marvel has said it is developing a Captain America movie.
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They killed the captain! Noooooooooooooooooooo damnit. =(
Posted by: sithson at March 07, 2007 02:11 PM (lIsCq)
wow...I'm not into gay porn or anything, but that description gave me a wierd tingle.
Posted by: Max Power at March 07, 2007 02:11 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Red at March 07, 2007 02:12 PM (G6Vo7)
Just like I understand you're decent enough not to do it, even when your madder than hell.
It ain't right.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 07, 2007 02:12 PM (pzen5)
Posted by: Toby928 at March 07, 2007 02:14 PM (ATbKm)
Posted by: Toby928 at March 07, 2007 02:16 PM (ATbKm)
Posted by: Sinistar at March 07, 2007 02:17 PM (oHd6r)
In my book, staffers, journalists, and commentators are clearly private citizens and their private lives should be off limits. But politicians aren't exactly private citizens. You want outing, leftboys? Come get some.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 02:17 PM (w4Bx4)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 02:19 PM (w4Bx4)
Posted by: Toby928 at March 07, 2007 02:19 PM (ATbKm)
Posted by: red at March 07, 2007 02:19 PM (G6Vo7)
Seriously.
I'm usually on the "take the higher moral ground" side of the argument, but I'm getting sick and fucking tired of the double standard.
Liberals- professional pundits, political professionals like James Carville and HuffPo retards alike- can pull anything from outing closeted gays, supporting the assassination of the President or VP, compare troops to Nazis, call a plaintiff in a sexual harassment case a trailer-trash whore, suggest soldiers are in Iraq because they're dumb, refer to insurgents in Iraq to the Minutemen of the American Revolution, post pictures of Michelle Malkin's house... I could go on with pages of this stuff.
The consequences? Maybe an apology about a "botched joke", but more likely an indignant reminder about free speech or it being "censorship" to criticize whatever vile statement they make.
You know what? Taking the high road has bought not a single fucking ounce of goodwill or modicum of civility from the lefties- instead they've even become more emboldened, knowing that whatever dirty trick they pull, whatever vile statement they make, there will be no repercussions.
In the relatively rare case when a Republican does respond in kind, it becomes a National Scandal; sure media bias plays a role here, but I have to think that because it happens so rarely it becomes more newsworthy.
FUCK 'EM. Who are we trying to impress? What are we afraid of? Those who already think we're Adolph Hitler, Ghengis Khan and Fred Phelps all rolled up in one? A media that will do it's damnest to cover up anything potentially embarrassing to Democrats anyways?
If you're in a bar fight with someone using broken bottles and no compunction against kicking you in the nuts, do you really have to fight back in accordance with the rules of the American Boxing Association?
DO IT. Anyone who doesn't like it can just be reminded about the existance of the First Amendment, right before they STBCOS.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2007 02:21 PM (plsiE)
Well first off he's just doing what the Blumenthal's do best - their smear merchants.
Posted by: topsecretk9 at March 07, 2007 02:23 PM (YTq05)
But I think Old Cap would be "Up" for good american values of gay porn. If you know what I mean...
Posted by: sithson at March 07, 2007 02:24 PM (lIsCq)
The problem with the Left is that they think they can succeed if they just imitate the Right, except that they believe the stupidest things about the Right. The Right are sex-hating fanatic witchhunters in their minds so they've decided to be that way too. Unfortunately they're succeeding.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 02:24 PM (w4Bx4)
No, those who think we're not. They're the ones it would make a difference to.
Posted by: Roy at March 07, 2007 02:25 PM (pO2Jg)
Plus outing will backfire politically. The "victim" will become a liberal cause celebre (too lazy to look up accent codes today), and the whole episode will be attributed to the meanness of the right, rather than a fair tit for tat.
As it were.
Posted by: geoff at March 07, 2007 02:25 PM (Fx6Qk)
DO IT.
FUCK'EM.
And don't bother with the reach-around. They don't deserve one.
Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at March 07, 2007 02:25 PM (Kz30m)
Post the List in a comment at Huffington Post. There are demonstrably no repercussions. Voila!
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 07, 2007 02:26 PM (JefgB)
Posted by: Roy at March 07, 2007 02:27 PM (pO2Jg)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 02:28 PM (w4Bx4)
Seriously.
I'm usually on the "take the higher moral ground" side of the argument, but I'm getting sick and fucking tired of the double standard.
I concur.
Posted by: topsecretk9 at March 07, 2007 02:29 PM (YTq05)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 02:31 PM (w4Bx4)
Seriously, time to take the fucking gloves off
Posted by: Shivv at March 07, 2007 02:31 PM (QhWHP)
Posted by: red at March 07, 2007 02:32 PM (G6Vo7)
Posted by: David Ross at March 07, 2007 02:32 PM (Mi7Wp)
But I think pretending you're going to do it might be worth it just to have them squirm and fight amongst themselves.
Posted by: MlR at March 07, 2007 02:33 PM (OkL2K)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 02:36 PM (w4Bx4)
Yep. He's got a lock on one lucrative corner of gay pron: double nasal penetration.
Septum to Rectum: ENT Gloryholes VIII
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 07, 2007 02:38 PM (JefgB)
Posted by: Toby928 at March 07, 2007 02:39 PM (ATbKm)
Probably sums it up for me.
There's plenty of other ways to take off the gloves.
Posted by: MlR at March 07, 2007 02:40 PM (OkL2K)
That's pretty much what the leftards say every time they do something they know is wrong. Congratulations. You've become what you hate. And pretty much what they have painted you as.
Ace, I note, has updated his post. How many of you are beneath Ace? Not in a gay-porn way.
Posted by: Roy at March 07, 2007 02:40 PM (pO2Jg)
Posted by: Sobek at March 07, 2007 02:41 PM (6GK9U)
Posted by: Uniball at March 07, 2007 02:45 PM (27iEn)
Posted by: Penn State Marine at March 07, 2007 02:47 PM (TjqdC)
Tactic 1: HuffPo comment thread.
Tactic 2: Stamp it TOP SECRET. Send to NYT.
Tactic 3: AOS comment thread. Author=muirgeo. Two birds and all that.
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 07, 2007 02:52 PM (JefgB)
Otherwise you're pulling people into a fight that they didn't start and fucking up a lot of lives in the process.
You're better than that.
Posted by: Warden at March 07, 2007 02:53 PM (UJmWS)
For the record, congruence on means does not nullify difference in ends.
Posted by: MlR at March 07, 2007 02:54 PM (OkL2K)
Posted by: Do it! at March 07, 2007 02:55 PM (HdiQi)
And who are "we"? The AoS blog, or conservatives in general?
Again, a double standard needs to be taken out back, shot and buried.
Bring up whatever crazy snuff fantasies get posted on HuffPo, DU or even by Democrat elected officials and the lefties are quick to remind everyone that those opinions aren't at all representative of the Democratic Party or the Left in general- no matter how pervasive those views and comments are among the left.
Fine- those are the rules they want to play by, let's play. Do you think breaking such a story would gain Ace more, or less readers? More or less prospect to advance his career (whatever the hell it's supposed to be).
I say post it. Let the lefties scream bloody murder and remind them they drew first blood long ago. Let them say I'm an evil homophobic asshole of a poster with a small penis for suggesting he post it- I don't care since I know those things to be untrue.
Again, what are we afraid of? I was critical of Ann Coulter using the word "faggot" when and where she did, but she also made a point recently- she's been making the same kinds of outrageous attacks for 10 years now... and she's still standing professionally. Why are we too chickenshit to fight back?
Fuck, I'm not even suggesting we go as far as they do by suggesting that Nancy should be executed, nor do I support making false accusations. Ace dirt that he has reason to believe is legit... so why bury it? In the futile hope that his restraint will be rewarded? Rewarded with what?
What consequences for Democrats amongst independant voters were there during the last election? Answer: Zero... yet you'd have me believe that what gets posted on AoS is going to cause irreversible harm to the conservative movement?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2007 02:56 PM (plsiE)
Posted by: red at March 07, 2007 02:58 PM (G6Vo7)
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 07, 2007 02:58 PM (JefgB)
How is it "wrong" when it's nearly always rewarded and without negative consequence? It's an issue that would matter to many voters, and one the official in question has not been honest about.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2007 03:02 PM (plsiE)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2007 03:04 PM (plsiE)
Besides the only people who read this blog are your sock-puppets anyway. So the net effect will be that no one knows.
The libs have been having and eating their cake for too long. ANd I thought they were suppossed to be proud to be gay. You'd do them a favor by raising their social status.
They're gonna keep burning conservatives until they start paying a price for it. Look what they did to Delay. Look what they did to Rep. Cybersex (R). They never get prosecuted. They get rewarded for breaking the rules (Cold-Cash Jefferson). Its gotta stop somewhere, and this is a good a cess pit as any.
Posted by: Iblis at March 07, 2007 03:05 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 07, 2007 03:08 PM (JefgB)
Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2007 03:08 PM (t+mja)
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at March 07, 2007 03:11 PM (w0dpL)
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 07, 2007 03:14 PM (JefgB)
Posted by: Sinistar at March 07, 2007 03:17 PM (oHd6r)
Posted by: Sinistar at March 07, 2007 03:19 PM (oHd6r)
"It's not a stunt. I've got a tip, I could do it, I feel pretty crappy about it and I will probably not do it once I've had timee to mull it over.
But there is "The List," and who knows, maybe it will get circulated. "
What would your mother do ? and, yes, it really does matter.
Posted by: Edward Lunny at March 07, 2007 03:21 PM (QkaPP)
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at March 07, 2007 03:22 PM (njtAn)
Who would be surprised at reading any of their names on a list?
Waste of time.
Posted by: Unruly Human at March 07, 2007 03:22 PM (FahjS)
Everyone begging Ace to out the guys... I'm with you on the sentiment pretty much (except that, just like the left, you're treating human beings like tools for political gain), but come on... you all know for a fact that taking up the hypocrite tactics of the Left would not produce a similar result. For a fucking fact... yet you still want to "take the gloves off"?
Libby vs. Armitage, Duke Rape 1 vs. Duke Rape 2, Iraq vs. Kosavo, "Cold Cash" vs. Tom DeLay, Foley vs. Clinton... the list goes on and on, and pretending like the double standard isn't real doesn't make it go away. There's no way anyone on the Right can out anybody and expect to get the "speaking truth to power" applause... it's absurd.
Posted by: Ann Coulter at March 07, 2007 03:23 PM (cgK+b)
I was actually thinking more along the line of Bill Clinton. There was nothing illegal about it and Republicans pounced all over it.
There is nothing illegal about being a closeted homosexual and seeking out men in bars either.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2007 03:23 PM (t+mja)
And you know that the next time the left wants to out someone because it serves their cause, whether or not you outed someone here will mean absolutely nothing to them, and in fact, will provide them with political cover.
Posted by: wiserbud at March 07, 2007 03:24 PM (56ssE)
Posted by: Hipster Doofus at March 07, 2007 03:25 PM (nqpjs)
Posted by: DoDoGuRu at March 07, 2007 03:25 PM (cgK+b)
Just out of curiosity, would you do it if it was a married man who just goatse'd the hell out of Ethan, the Restoration Hardware clerk after making him smear gut-flap schmegma on his upper lip while yodeling the Horst Wessel song? Well, wouldja? Huh?
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at March 07, 2007 03:27 PM (JefgB)
Posted by: DoDoGuRu at March 07, 2007 03:29 PM (cgK+b)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 07, 2007 03:30 PM (5OYu4)
One more vote for Don't do it.
I don't say that because you'll get death threats if you do (though so much the better if you don't), nor because I care about claiming the moral high ground for our side.
It's wrong. In itself, no matter what the political repercussions. You know it, or you wouldn't have worded your post that way ("I've decided--just me....By me").
And not that anyone asked, but I'm getting tired of the attitude that says, "I am fully justified in being a complete asshole, with malice aforethought, because those assholes over got it comin'." We all got it comin', kid.
Posted by: JPS at March 07, 2007 03:31 PM (21Zmj)
And that's almost as bad.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at March 07, 2007 03:33 PM (G6PIp)
Look, I don't have to deal with the repercussions if you pull the trigger on this.
But go the Huffington Post and look at that picture of Max Blumenthal with his fucking soul patch and picture him slapping his knee as the Marine gets kicked out of the service.
The ask yourself: What would Leonidas do?
Posted by: Hipster Doofus at March 07, 2007 03:33 PM (nqpjs)
Shut up, Ann. Ace had no intention of outing anyone. So, telling him to DO IT! would not have resulted in any outings. Ace was merely trying to make a point. It's amazing that so many of you didn't get it.
Posted by: Red at March 07, 2007 03:36 PM (vuuuv)
He'd do something to Max Blumenthal.
Well, actually that's something I would do.
Leonidas would kill everyone involved, cause he's a bad-ass Spartan.
Posted by: MlR at March 07, 2007 03:37 PM (OkL2K)
Posted by: Roy at March 07, 2007 03:38 PM (pO2Jg)
But I gotta say the obvious: Any Marine packing 11" uncut SHOULD be Republican.
Let the Dems have the needledick civilians, we'll take the studly war heroes and (now that I think about it) is it really any wonder why CPAC was crawling with hot chicks? They were all hoping to catch a ride on the Amazing Donghammer of Liberty.
Posted by: Nordbuster at March 07, 2007 03:39 PM (jYT9+)
Therefore,
Outing teh ghey democrats would be redundant, and a waste of time.
Posted by: frnaksalterego at March 07, 2007 03:42 PM (TEtmA)
Also, if you were going to act like a prog you would wait until the next election to out the man or beast.
Posted by: mike at March 07, 2007 03:45 PM (/InkS)
Posted by: MlR at March 07, 2007 03:46 PM (OkL2K)
Posted by: Nordbuster at March 07, 2007 03:47 PM (jYT9+)
I say do it. Fuck all.
It's like in "The Godfather" when Clemenza explains how there 'has to be a war every ten years or so, to get rid of the bad blood'.
I'll go first. Bill Maher? Totally gay.
Posted by: Barry in CO at March 07, 2007 03:48 PM (QrzWy)
Posted by: red at March 07, 2007 03:48 PM (vuuuv)
Posted by: Dale at March 07, 2007 03:49 PM (IKieJ)
While correct, at least it would encourage dialog over what the "rules" should be and what kind of tactics are to be tolerated.
Currently there is no real debate- only the right complaining about the mean-spirited, ruthless tactics of the far left, and the far left thumbing their noses at us with the "free speech" and "truth to power" nonsense.
Go ahead, post on HuffPo pretending to be a lefty who has names of closeted gay Republicans and see how many argue against releasing those names; see how many argue that it's beneath them, see if they debate it like we have in this thread. I won't blame you if you don't- we both know how what the result would be.
Maybe Ace is just trying to make a point and has no names at all- doesn't matter. As long as the debate over what's acceptable and what's not only exists on one side of the isle, nothing will change except to give a blank check to the left to be as heartless and ruthless as they'd like.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2007 03:53 PM (v8vVW)
I'm still a fan of taking the moral high ground, but somedays you just want to say "f--- it"
Posted by: corn at March 07, 2007 03:55 PM (yHvEo)
Posted by: Don Surber at March 07, 2007 03:55 PM (znA2e)
Trust me, extortion is a win/win here.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 07, 2007 03:57 PM (5OYu4)
Trust me, extortion is a win/win here.
As long as he spreads the wealth and gets us all Thai Tranny hookers.
Posted by: Iblis at March 07, 2007 04:02 PM (9221z)
Go figure.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2007 04:06 PM (t+mja)
Perhaps. A year- hell, six months ago- I'd have been on the "don't do it" side. Now, with relatively mainstream Democrats joining in? Afraid not.
Let's assume for a moment that Ace really does have such a list. Did he put the cock in their mouths? Did he trick them into cheating on their wives with a dude? Did he make them be so indisreet that even a second-tier hermit-like blogger such as Ace would find out about it?
It's already been established by the left and their allies in the MSM that any and all aspects of the personal life of someone who enters the political arena (elected or not) is fair game.
Right now we're playing touch football, and they're tackling. I for one am getting tired of eating turf and am ready to start lowering my own shoulder for a change.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2007 04:07 PM (v8vVW)
I'm going to go on thinking that maybe only 10% of you would actually do such a thing, and go 'LA LA LA LA LAA' to the overage as just noisemaking.
Posted by: lauraw at March 07, 2007 04:10 PM (DbybK)
Posted by: mike at March 07, 2007 04:10 PM (/InkS)
Since when is 20 years in the joint with you morons a win/win situation. Then again, after a year or two, you all are going to look mighty purdy.
Posted by: red at March 07, 2007 04:11 PM (vuuuv)
Posted by: forged rite at March 07, 2007 04:13 PM (2a6eP)
This tactic has proven to be very effective for the left and since they face no repercussions for their actions they will keep on doing it. It's great to talk about the high road but that's not where a lot of politics is fought and won.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2007 04:19 PM (t+mja)
As someone with a pretty well developed sense of honor, you'd have been right about me six months ago. No longer.
However, if you're in a war with an enemy that keeps dropping nerve gas on your cities with no sign of letting up, you don't restrict yourself to smart bombs- you drop a nuke on one of their own cities and let them know more are coming if they don't knock it the fuck off. It might make you the killer of innocent civilians, but in the end your responsibility is to your own side.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2007 04:23 PM (v8vVW)
A point that no one has brought up, regarding the personal ramificatons of revealing this info, is the effect on the wife; I mean the the fact that the unknowing wife of an actively bi-sexual male has a risk of contracting whatever nasty disease including AIDS he picks up while engaing in risky sexual behavior. She might want to know.
Of course, this is probably not the best way to inform her. And I'm not a fan of sinking to their (the Democrat's) level. And then, again, it's entirely possible, she does know, and they have some kind of weird open marriage thing going on.
If it were just an unmarried guy, I'd say, definitely no. It's just wrong. Wrong is wrong. Let the liberals be the shitbags.
Posted by: Nice Deb at March 07, 2007 04:23 PM (i7vTG)
So I think again about yesterday and maybe Ace was right about Coulter. Gay-baiting or gay-bashing is something you just don't do so that you can honestly know that you're not a prick.
If we want to put a shiv into their collective liver, we could just do it by starting to win elections again. They didn't seem to like that much and I never felt guilty about it.
Wow, this was a real growing moment. Anyone want to meet me at the gym later and work out or something?
Posted by: Some Guy at March 07, 2007 04:37 PM (732Pw)
do not do it out of anger, only do it if you can find a good enough logical reason. Doing it will hurt people, but not doing it also hurts people. Those that do it already will continue to out people as long as they know they have nothing to fear. Trust your instincts, use the Force, and sign up for rehab as soon as the shit hits the fan.
May Ann be with you, my son.
Posted by: eman at March 07, 2007 04:37 PM (FWrFx)
Besides, they're the ones who have to live with the knowledge of what they did. I know I couldn't live with knowing I disrupted someone's personal life. They're the ones who have to explain their actions.
That said, why the fuck did they out this guy? It's not like he's some big anti-gay activist or anything--from what it sounds like based on why he's invited to talk shows, he's probably never addressed gay issues at all in his public speaking rounds. He may be totally out of the closet in his private life--just not making a point of mentioning "I'm gay!" when he's on teevee. This "Joe" motherfucker...what a bottom-feeding piece of shit. Karma's a bitch.
By the way, Ace, you sound awfully insistent that doing gay pr0n doesn't mean you're gay...
/running away
Posted by: Beth at March 07, 2007 04:43 PM (yqiXY)
A. No, that would be sinking to their level
B. Yes, fight fire with fire
C. No, but it would be freakin' hilarious
D. Yes, but only if Ace proves it the hard way
Posted by: sandy burger at March 07, 2007 04:44 PM (ePQxy)
Baseball has a system to protect batters from being hit: If your pitcher hits one of our guys, our pitcher will hit one of your guys. This is also the only argument that ever works with Democrats.
....
Democrats have declared war against Republicans, and Republicans are wandering around like a bunch of ninny Neville Chamberlains, congratulating themselves on their excellent behavior. They'll have some terrific stories about their Gandhi-like passivity to share while sitting in cells at Guantanamo after Hillary is elected.
....
Conservatives may shrink from confrontation with howling, violent liberals, but as General "Buck" Turgidson in "Dr. Strangelove" informed the milquetoast president still hoping to avert a nuclear confrontation with the Russkies: "Well, Mr. President, I would say that General Ripper has already invalidated that policy."
Well, conservatives, I would say liberals have already invalidated your "Let's all just get along" policy.
Do it.
Posted by: Checkin' It Twice at March 07, 2007 04:48 PM (PZliY)
Posted by: Jay at March 07, 2007 04:49 PM (HnXYV)
Tell me, and I'll do it. No Democrat has the right to be gay and in the closet.
That's like being an outspoken member of PETA while wearing dead animals on your feet.
Posted by: Master of None at March 07, 2007 04:52 PM (F2SxB)
also think 99.9% would be happy if someone did even if they don't admit
it.
Jack, we've already got the Liberals calling us hypocrites and chickenhawks. We don't need it from you.
Posted by: Roy at March 07, 2007 04:56 PM (TfeE1)
Harry Reid has some funny real estate deals in his history.
Hillary Clinton is knee-deep in pardons for cash.
Obama had a mobbed up dude buying his house in Chicago.
Hot man love is the biggest stick in our arsenal?
What if the Army of Davids (hey that's a catchy phrase, someone should beat it into the ground) investigated the hell out of this shit? That sounds more effective than this shit.
Posted by: Some Guy at March 07, 2007 04:57 PM (732Pw)
Go up to the ship and nuke the place from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Movie quotes aside, scorched effing earth time. We all talked about how moonbatty the moonbats were, and they fricking beat us. Libby's blood is in the water and they think it means Cheney gets impeached (moonbats haven't gotten any smarter with power). But they think they can do what they want, no repercussions, because its true. Call Bush Hitler, half of the country stupid, noone calls on them. They want Ann Coulter's scalp for an oblique joke and they get it.
They'll push and push and push and push.
Until we push the fuck back.
Posted by: blaster at March 07, 2007 04:59 PM (7Q1rc)
The parallel is the Kos 'Armando is a Corporate Lawyer for Walmart' affair
It should be okay for you to 'out' members of The Left who are members of the Kiwanis, play golf, and otherwise comport themselves as Establishment Types in Real Life.
Sure - they're shameless. Noam Chomsky has his financial planner's number on speed dial. John Edwards use of corporate shelters to keep more of his money in his pocket, et cetera.
But you have to start somewhere.
Posted by: Greek Chorus at March 07, 2007 05:03 PM (Pkdqo)
If we want to put a shiv into their collective liver, we could just do it by starting to win elections again.
Amen, brother. Outing will only backfire on us.
Posted by: Paulitics at March 07, 2007 05:03 PM (47+Ys)
But you guys ought to know: You're not the only ones with "The List."
What the hell is this? A ferocious appeal to a not-existent better nature?
Gelding Exhibitionism?
Posted by: Steven at March 07, 2007 05:05 PM (wdk1s)
Not because of the moral high ground. Not because it's beneath you. But because nobody except the Democrats cares who's gay.
If you want revenge, get it elsehow. It's not like there's a shortage of stuff to call them out on.
Printing the list would be giving credence to the idea that there's something wrong with being gay.
It's a stupid, boring, pointless Democrat game. Don't play it.
Posted by: kate q at March 07, 2007 05:08 PM (HbJ+d)
Just like we all absolutlely reveled in the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky debacle. The right was absolutely blissful that Clinton was exposed for the lying clown he we all knew him to be.
If, as Ace described, information on a liberal Dem who was only staying in a loveless marriage for politics while he ran around doing the gay bar scene, was exposed, almost all of us would love it though some might not say so. Doesn't make you a hypocrite or a chicken anything, just means you might not comment on it.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 07, 2007 05:10 PM (t+mja)
Who's this "us" white man? I didn't lose squat in November, I saw a bunch of RINOs and loser GOP turds who couldn't control their spending get heaved out of office for guys who promised balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility.
I call that win for my side, not a loss. I'm not a Republican and the GOP does not represent conservatism. Not since 1994.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 07, 2007 05:11 PM (wmgz8)
Victor Davis Hanson had a great column a while back (hell, all his columns are great) where he said what if we were everything they said we were in reference to what all the Euros and Arabs were saying about the US - what if we did just go in and carpet bomb the place and steal the oil and rounded up the Muslims and all of that. Would the rhetoric be worse?
They Leftards have painted themselves in a rhetorical corner by applying Godwin to every damn thing, so, really, how could we be worse than Nazis? Outing some Democrat Congressman? Jeebus, we put babies in the ovens, outing doesn't even move the evil needle in comparison.
World, the time has come to, push the button.
Posted by: blaster at March 07, 2007 05:14 PM (7Q1rc)
Remember McGreevy? He went down (chuckle) in flames (chuckle again). He wasn't a Republican. He was a Democrat and tons of people cared about his deception and his lies.
I think Ace should do it, but of course he had better make sure there aren't any Polaroids of him floating around.
And then I think-Jesus Christ, that would be some cold-blooded shit to do to a person.
But these leftists seem to do it without any second guessing. Completely acceptable to them.
Do it.
Posted by: Hipster Doofus at March 07, 2007 05:16 PM (13Ocy)
And has since he's been in office. It is very clear he's using his office for personal gain and it has been documented on numerous blogs over the past few years.
So how's that effort going again?
Posted by: Jay at March 07, 2007 05:20 PM (HnXYV)
Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 07, 2007 05:23 PM (clI2H)
Then it would appear on conservative (and some libertarian) blogs and nobody else would know b/c the MSM would embargo it.
Posted by: holdfast at March 07, 2007 05:23 PM (Gzb30)
WWII: Shit, the Japs are torturing and killing our soldiers, we should do the same.
Vietnam War: Damn, the VC are slaughtering pro-democracy villiages, let's do the same with pro-Communisty villages (if you believe urban legends you'd believe this statement as true)
Iraq War: Hey, their beheading our people/allies we should do similar things to them... including sending to their death with pork all around them.
It's WRON!!!
Posted by: JFH at March 07, 2007 05:27 PM (c+Pwv)
Oh. Oh. Well, in that case.
My real answer is
EAT THEIR LIVERS.
They = whoever.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 05:30 PM (A9P8+)
I prefer to read about pols' financial shenanigans. I have no interest in other people's sex lives, and I wish they'd just shut up about it.
Posted by: meep at March 07, 2007 05:30 PM (UJPBc)
GLEE.COM
Decatur GLBT
Atlanta Gay Realtors
Bet they are getting lots of hits off of this.
Posted by: blaster at March 07, 2007 05:36 PM (7Q1rc)
To date, corruption charges are the number one way to unseat an incumbent. Being gay? Approximately #846.
For reference: #845 is faking that you were the 3rd man on the moon during your FBI background check.
Posted by: Some Guy at March 07, 2007 05:37 PM (732Pw)
Oh. Uh, ignore the email I sent you.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 05:37 PM (A9P8+)
We are superior, in every way, to those morons. Don't be like them.
Posted by: DaveS at March 07, 2007 05:45 PM (6DuOs)
Posted by: Tushar D at March 07, 2007 05:49 PM (9ULFg)
Foley, gay sounding IMs, no actual gay activity, drummed out of the Congress.
Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader.
Posted by: blaster at March 07, 2007 05:50 PM (7Q1rc)
And I won't be all coy and wait to the election like a liberal.
Posted by: Some Guy at March 07, 2007 05:55 PM (732Pw)
I'll start for the top name on the list: is he bigger than a breadbox?
Posted by: Sweetie at March 07, 2007 06:02 PM (K9eLN)
Posted by: red at March 07, 2007 06:03 PM (vuuuv)
Dude has 90k in cash wrapped in tinfoil in his freezer, he's on the Homeland Security Committee. After getting reelected. And the aforementioned Senate Majority Leader Reid. and Representative Molholland, Rep. Alcee Hastings, etc.
Corruption is only for bringing down Republicans.
Scorch the effing earth. I am tired of the one way street.
Posted by: blaster at March 07, 2007 06:05 PM (7Q1rc)
Do I want Jefferson Davis in jail? Fuck yeah, and again, fuck yeah.
Dan Rostenkowski went down though.
Toricelli dropped out, though.
McGreevey got shitcanned after trying to get his party boy on the dole.
That Cisneros star stopped rising all of a sudden. Come to think of it, a good number of those guys stopped heading towards the top.
Webster Hubbell did some time.
So, we're not batting .000.
I can't back this but I think they've gone down often than we have. I know they're way dirtier, so it skews the statistics , but still, let's not pretend plenty of folks aren't voting for Hillary! behind bars.
Posted by: Some Guy at March 07, 2007 06:17 PM (732Pw)
Posted by: Bill at March 07, 2007 06:18 PM (mpdS/)
Nice list, Tushar. And you can tell it's a bunch of queers -- you bring up my state and you find someone named "Etheridge". Probably Melissa's gay brother.
The funniest thing is that above all the Dems on the page, there's a drop down box titled "Democratic Agenda". Click on it, and it's empty.
Posted by: pbrown at March 07, 2007 06:20 PM (NP8hw)
Posted by: T Gonzo at March 07, 2007 06:22 PM (f2FR9)
Posted by: Paulitics at March 07, 2007 06:23 PM (47+Ys)
Seriously though. This guy wasn't just outed for being a closeted gay. In fact, how can you be a closeted gay porn star. Doesn't the whole concept of being in the closet preclude you from having sex with members of your own sex on film for public perusal?
The real kicker was that this guy was purportedly a $200/hr male prostitute.
Take the gay out of it for a second. If some female liberal cause celeb were rumored to be a former hooker you'd be talking about it. Period. Being a prostitute is a crime last time I checked. I say if you are a prostitute or a drug dealer or a shop lifter, your right to privacy on those acts is pretty much nil.
Anyway I got to get back to those DVDs hrumph, I mean transcripts. I got to get back to those deposition transcripts.
Posted by: seattle slough at March 07, 2007 06:25 PM (ARC3W)
In the words of Colonel Kurtz at the end of Apocalypse Now, Drop the Bomb. Exterminate them all. I promise I will pay you $1000 if you do so, and I will continue to pay you for every rat and pig Democrat whose reputation we can destroy, no matter how tenuous the evidence may be.
Posted by: Monkey Guano Slinger at March 07, 2007 06:28 PM (ySmeE)
Take the gay out of it for a second. If some female liberal cause celeb were rumored to be a former hooker you'd be talking about it.
You mean like Maureen (Mo) Dean, John Dean's wife, the former (rumored) prostitute? The reason behind the Watergate break-in?
We did talk about it. And your lot continues to ignore it.
Posted by: Paulitics at March 07, 2007 06:28 PM (47+Ys)
On one hand, I agree with the notion that it does more harm than good, because I think Kate Q is right- only the Democrats care.
Conversely, if you don't hit back against an aggressor, the aggressor knows he can get away with it. How long do you let it go before you hit back, and hard? Ultimately, that's the question that was answered after September 11.
I'd say don't even hint at it, Ace- if you're going to do it, don't talk about it. Just draw the blade and skewer whomever it is, twisting the blade as you do it. Rattling a saber makes noise- drawing it does not.
But if you're gonna do it, bring the pain and bring it hard.
tmi3rd
Posted by: tmi3rd at March 07, 2007 06:29 PM (QzsVu)
We're not big fans of the kill-American-mercenaries sentiment around here. Whatever our disagreements.
On a lighter note, sorry about capitalizing your assumed name, it's just that I can read and speak English at an adult level. My apologies.
Posted by: Some Guy at March 07, 2007 06:32 PM (732Pw)
Ace, bottom line: Outing is morally wrong. Temptation is great, and anger at the double standard is valid and palpable. But wrong is wrong.
No one believes more than I do that the conservative movement lost its way after Reagan left office; it lost its courage when Lee Atwater died, but this isn't the way to recapture either.
Ace, don't try to be a counterpoint to evil by being one of them.
Posted by: Paulitics at March 07, 2007 06:53 PM (47+Ys)
Posted by: Ray Kneegrow at March 07, 2007 06:53 PM (OIBwZ)
When it comes to preserving their hides, the Dems have it all figured out.
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at March 07, 2007 06:56 PM (lQwc0)
Whistling past the graveyard.
The rest of this faux outrage and sanctimonious reaching for the high-ground is laughable.
You know who cares? Deeply? The republican base... the right-wing fundamentalists who have been fooled into thinking they were voting for the party and ideology of god.
Listen? You hear that sound?
That's the sound of the republican base scrambling away to either sit out the next election, or find another party to back...
Guy was a PORN STAR and a PROSTITUTE and the republican media machine decided to make him a poster child for their cause.
Again... this is the same marketing dept. that tries to portray their side as the party of god.
Just sloppy.
Posted by: Sysiphus at March 07, 2007 06:57 PM (Fo/N7)
Guy was a PORN STAR and a PROSTITUTE and the republican media machine decided to make him a poster child for their cause.
Again... this is the same marketing dept. that tries to portray their side as the party of god.
Not the party of God. Just the party of inclusion. As opposed to the party of interolerance -- to wit, Democrats and Joe Lieberman.
Posted by: Paulitics at March 07, 2007 07:05 PM (47+Ys)
I just don't think this is anything like a silver bullet. It's not going to restore equity to the perception of political events.
If everyone was saying that we needed to take over another news channel or buy a newspaper or two or double down on our voter registration drives, I'd be onboard.
But, announcing that the aide of some random fucking guy smokes cock just doesn't do it for me. It seems wrong and it seems ineffectual.
Posted by: Some Guy at March 07, 2007 07:10 PM (732Pw)
If you're going to do something so low and unprincipled,
you really should wait for a better point in the news/election cycle.
Posted by: someone at March 07, 2007 07:11 PM (I/t4f)
Right. Just because you keep saying something over and over doesn't make it true.
Call me back when you guys decide to include gays in marriage.
Or when you decide to include the findings of an overwhelming majority scientists in climate policy.
Posted by: Sysiphus at March 07, 2007 07:15 PM (Fo/N7)
Posted by: Paulitics at March 07, 2007 07:15 PM (47+Ys)
Posted by: Bart at March 07, 2007 07:17 PM (gaQMx)
tmi3rd
Posted by: tmi3rd at March 07, 2007 07:17 PM (QzsVu)
Posted by: geoff at March 07, 2007 07:22 PM (Fx6Qk)
Posted by: flexo at March 07, 2007 07:23 PM (GcU/L)
I vote that you out the Dem.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 07, 2007 07:27 PM (lsoL/)
Call me back when you guys decide to include gays in marriage.
Or when you decide to include the findings of an overwhelming majority scientists in climate policy.
Okay, now we're into troll thread hijacking. Does this qualify for banishment?
Posted by: Paulitics at March 07, 2007 07:31 PM (47+Ys)
And I think Sysiphus makes a good point beyond the snark...the Dems/Left are outing gay Pubs simply to dislodge the religious GOP base that was instrumental in electing Bush , and whose lack of support is thought to have pushed the Congress back into Dem hands last year. Outing Dems ain't gonna help the Pubs politically.
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at March 07, 2007 07:33 PM (lQwc0)
Secondly, there is hardly any similarity between outing a gay adult film star who's going around giving his two cents to whatever conservative hack will listen and outing the governor of New Jersey or orther such similar folk. Especially if you're speaking in terms of judgment, as in someone deserving to be outed . . . Shouldn't a guy appearing in gay stag films who's certainly laid it ALL out on the table on VHS be expected to DISCLOSE such a past if he's going to shrill for the conservative cause?
For Ace to use the "outing" of a gay porn star to try and justify outing closeted Congressmen or whoever he's talking about is a such a stupid sham it's beneath discussion. Ace is just angry and wants to be vengeful so he's trying to piss vinegar in people's eyes. You're deluded, Mr. Ace, if you think there'd be anything noble in such an act. Good luck convincing yourself that the inevitable disclosures concerning an adult film actor justify such malicious destruction.
Posted by: ryan at March 07, 2007 07:34 PM (4Y5xo)
Posted by: Sinistar at March 07, 2007 07:38 PM (oHd6r)
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at March 07, 2007 07:44 PM (lQwc0)
Harry Reid has some funny real estate deals in his history.
Hillary Clinton is knee-deep in pardons for cash.
Obama had a mobbed up dude buying his house in Chicago.
Hot man love is the biggest stick in our arsenal?
What if the Army of Davids (hey that's a catchy phrase, someone should beat it into the ground) investigated the hell out of this shit? That sounds more effective than this shit."
Blogs don't determine what people talk about, it's still the MSM.
Posted by: Dave at March 07, 2007 07:53 PM (FOxe/)
I'll publish them on a special blog -
I've got spoof I/Ps plus I'm in another country.
whaddya say?
Posted by: Ray Kneegroe at March 07, 2007 07:59 PM (OIBwZ)
Posted by: Some Guy at March 07, 2007 08:02 PM (732Pw)
Wouldn't that be Mr. Spades? Ryan, if you are that upset you might want to call a counselor.
Posted by: mike at March 07, 2007 08:23 PM (/InkS)
You wanna know why? Ask yourself one question. Are Dems babykillin' defeatmongering child-porn taxmonkey religion haters? Checkity check check.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 08:25 PM (A9P8+)
The left outing that guy because he's pro-military is pig-brutish. Nekulturny. Lets add up the number of homosexuals who've been pilloried by the left and compare it with the number that have been pilloried by the right. Turns out the Party of Intolerance hates homosexuals so much that it can't even be bothered to spend hours pouring over gay porn in the hopes of publicly vilifying someone. Thats how intolerant those GOP bastards. The Party of Tolerance and Openness turns out to be a lot more open to that sort of thing.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 08:33 PM (A9P8+)
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at March 07, 2007 08:40 PM (lQwc0)
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! Shouldn't you end your pathetic little rant with "Good Night and Good Luck," there Olbermann?
Posted by: Sinistar at March 07, 2007 08:41 PM (oHd6r)
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at March 07, 2007 08:43 PM (lQwc0)
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 07, 2007 08:45 PM (A9P8+)
You wanna know why? Ask yourself one question. Are Dems babykillin' defeatmongering child-porn taxmonkey religion haters? Checkity check check.
You, however are apparently a moron.
Posted by: at March 07, 2007 09:18 PM (Fo/N7)
You, however are apparently a moron.
that, or ironically humorous.
Posted by: trey at March 07, 2007 09:30 PM (ye2wK)
OK - so you're not going to do it? Good for you.
I'm sympathetic to those who are tired of playing the high ground, only to eat it, every time, at the hands of those more ruthless. However, outings are beyond the pale, and there are other ways to fight back against our elitist wannabe-overlords.
Becoming as tactically nasty as them? Sure. But becoming them, and being willing to destroy lives over something stupid, like politics? Unthinkable.
Posted by: Patton at March 07, 2007 09:52 PM (KxnQ8)
I got news for ya, no one on The Left cares, unless they are older and think it's a stigma. The Right however has this problem becuase we are always expected to cater to those damn Freepers with the gay problem and the Christian Conservatives.
I say cut 'em lose and let them join the Constitution Party where they belong. Bye bye, sooner than later. They'll be happier, social conservatism is paramount and they can leave the GOP alone to heal from the damage they have done over the last 15 -20 years.
Posted by: April Ginsberg at March 07, 2007 10:37 PM (Uwnie)
What does it say about the 'tolerant/inclusive/big tent' Democrat party that has hi-profile Ghays that are skeered to be openly Ghay?
Fuck them and the Andy Sullivans they rode in on!
Posted by: Ray Kneegrove at March 07, 2007 10:42 PM (+etw2)
Posted by: SondraK at March 07, 2007 10:49 PM (/UUFm)
Posted by: Cybrludite at March 07, 2007 11:00 PM (XFoEH)
Call me back when you guys decide to include gays in marriage.
Hey, call me back when you guys decide to include gays in marriage.
Consider the 2004 presidential election:
Kerry: against gay marriage
Edwards: against gay marriage
Bush: against gay marriage
Cheney: open to to it
I live in ultra-left Calirfornia. I'm a relatively pro gay rights Republican, yet my Democrat dominated state keeps rejecting gay marriage. Turns out, gay marriage (or any sexuality issue in general) is not a simple right/left issue.
Posted by: sandy burger at March 08, 2007 12:17 AM (cOUw0)
P.S. Of course, I'll pay extra for the "straight tapes", because they're so rare.
P.P.S. Straights aren't getting divorced in record numbers because of gays. Prioritities, social cons, priorities.
Posted by: sandy burger at March 08, 2007 12:32 AM (cOUw0)
>>P.S. Of course, I'll pay extra for the "straight tapes", because they're so rare.
Sandy, I am having this suspicion for a while now that Ace is a closeted heterosexual.
Posted by: Tushar D at March 08, 2007 01:58 AM (9ULFg)
Posted by: Darth Randall at March 08, 2007 03:03 AM (oLULt)
O rly? A "poster child" made by the media? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Syphilis, you are fucking deluded. I'll bet you thought Jeff Gannon was some big-time conservative media guy, too, right? Nevermind almost nobody had heard of him before some mouth-breathing fucktards decided there are to be NO GAY CONSERVATIVES. EVER.
Matt Sanchez is just a guy in the Reserves who's going to school and got pissed about the insane leftard mind-control there. So some media people and activists paid attention. That's their JOB. Do you even know how many regular Joe Americans are on the goddamned TV? Pay attention--there are a TON. You think everyone who ever expresses an opinion on teevee should be required to have a fucking background check, because their past might make their stories less credible (to you, that is)?
This is the dumbest non-scandal ever, but the gay left websites are acting like this is teh biggest newz EVAH! Bunch of self-centered bitches.
Posted by: Beth at March 08, 2007 03:14 AM (yqiXY)
Posted by: blaster at March 08, 2007 03:18 AM (7Q1rc)
Posted by: pajama momma at March 08, 2007 04:07 AM (Pzdiv)
Posted by: roc ingersol at March 08, 2007 04:47 AM (m2CN7)
These people know what they are, and what they are. They are the ones who have to look at themselves in the mirror every day, knowing they're the very embodiment of hypocrisy. They have to live with themselves, knowing that everything that they stand for and have their lives built upon, is a lie.
They may be able to live with themselves now, but you can be sure that their day of personal reckoning is coming and will probably come sooner rather than later.
If you do this, the lives of many innocents will be damaged beyond repair. And many of those innocents will be children.
Just say no. .
Irish Rose
Posted by: Irish Rose at March 08, 2007 04:49 AM (h4dQt)
The Mark Foley thing didn't keep me from the polls either.
I'd say the better tactic is to refuse to let them convince our friends to stay home on election day. Anecdotally, I know lots of church-goin folks. They all voted.
Jefferson, Reid, et.al. Fair game.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 08, 2007 05:00 AM (pzen5)
Posted by: Michael Corleone at March 08, 2007 05:03 AM (AQj/2)
Why not contact the people on the list, write them a short letter indicating that the politics of personal destruction have grown unabated. Explain that in response to this, you had been sent a 'list' of people who could be outed. Don't Mention That Their Name Is On The List - you don't want to get them any more defensive than they will be anyway.
But suggest that the easiest way to curtail these excesses is for folks to reign in the overzealous in their own party when they stoop to such tactics. Furthermore, this gives them a sort of Sistah Souljah moment, in which they, along with a number of colleagues can deliberately distance themselves from such crass behavior.
In fact, they can even help set the tone for fair debate and dialog. So, in essence, what you're doing is reaching across the aisle and asking them how they would like to set the tone - and to back it up.
I wouldn't call it blackmail, per se, but perhaps an appeal (self-enlightened, perhaps) to the better angles of their nature.
BRD
Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta at March 08, 2007 05:04 AM (7XogM)
Posted by: red at March 08, 2007 05:07 AM (DhoMd)
That would do a lot more to destroy any given Democrat than outing them as gay. I mean, talk about the Politics of Personal Destruction... let it leak that Hillary! has attended mass at the Opus Dei center in D.C., you could pretty much guarantee Obama the nomination...
Not that I'm accusing her of being moral or a church goer or anything, I'm just saying hypothetically.
Posted by: Al Maviva at March 08, 2007 05:08 AM (oK9xS)
Posted by April Ginsberg at March 8, 2007 03:37 AM
Maybe you should form your own party, RINO.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 08, 2007 05:10 AM (mz9Es)
Posted by: Pookie at March 08, 2007 05:11 AM (ywfuq)
Posted by: red at March 08, 2007 05:40 AM (DhoMd)
Posted by: J at March 08, 2007 06:26 AM (xkl0e)
Posted by: esoterica at March 08, 2007 06:46 AM (zRrxW)
The mere fact that you have The List makes you a serious problem.
You may have taken the high road, but those whose live you hold in the balance will not. Watch your ass, kiddo. Literally.
Posted by: papalovesmambo at March 08, 2007 06:53 AM (62TdC)
On the one hand, I think that we are unfair to lump the unhinged lefties in with Democratic voters in general. The right went through a period in the 50's where our unhinged wing, birchers et al, had to be purged from the movement and the party. The Democrats haven't made the attempt yet and won't until they lose a few more elections, or implode, whichever comes first.
On the other hand, the fact that they haven't tried makes them like the moderate muslims™ that so piss me off so they deserve what they get.
On the gripping hand, we're better than them; let it go.
Tob
Posted by: Toby928 at March 08, 2007 07:11 AM (ATbKm)
"Outing" gay Republicans, embarrasses Republicans...At least, in the mind of a Democrat.
Problem is, you can't embarrass a Democrat, no matter WHAT you do.
If they're not embarrassed about an official, who gets his jollies with an intern in the White House, and beats his meat in the sink, "outing" a gay Democrat wouldn't embarrass them, ONE G'DAMN BIT.
These Asshat/Faggots have no shame, at all.
You'd be wasting your time.
Posted by: franksalterego at March 08, 2007 07:21 AM (TEtmA)
I serioulsy doubt any man's claim of being heterosexual after doing homosexual acts.
This is argument from ignorance. Go visit a site called baitbus dot com and recoil in horror. Not safe for work. (Read: it's hard core porn it its most soul-crushing and devastating form.)
And ace, as a gay man who is out but has friends who are not, don't do it. Yes, the "progressives" have deftly stolen the lifetime achievement award for hypocrisy away from the Christian Right, but that does not give you license to create animosity and misery in the lives of innocent people. If we really are better than the "progressives" are, then we have to prove it, every single day. The fact that the media will spin their disgrace into faux-nobility does not excuse us from making right choices.
Yes, this is war. To win it, we have to attack "progressivism" where it is strong: the legacy media, academia, and the trial lawyer industry. Do the right thing.
Posted by: Loundry at March 08, 2007 08:04 AM (CyFUh)
Posted by: Javier at March 08, 2007 08:51 AM (W54Uh)
Moron is insulting and offensive. I prefer to be called a magical retard.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 08, 2007 09:11 AM (w4Bx4)
1) Repentance and forgiveness. Christians really do believe in this stuff. Sanchez' life was a ruin but now its not. Good for him.
2) Most "anti-gay" sentiment in this country (I'm not limiting this just to religious conservatives) is defensive, not offensive. People don't want to hunt gays down, they just don't want to be exposed to homosexuality or have to think about it. I'm not claiming this is supertolerant or anything, or that we deserve a gold sticker from the gay community. But it does mean that Republicans of all stripes don't really have a problem with gays being part of the party as long as they don't have to see two dudes kissing on screen at the convention.
Unless, of course, one of the dudes was me, because that would be hot.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at March 08, 2007 09:19 AM (w4Bx4)
Loundry, you make a good point about attacking liberals on home turf, like universities, etc. but you've got to be kidding about the baitbus thing.
No straight guy would do another guy's butt just cause it was offered, unless he had no other choice (i.e. prison or sci-fi convention).
Would you screw a sheep if it was offered?
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at March 08, 2007 09:55 AM (mz9Es)
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/scandals/
abc_news_gets_journo_award_for_outing_mark_foley_54597.as
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Posted by: JackStraw at March 08, 2007 11:27 AM (t+mja)
Posted by: captkidney at March 08, 2007 12:49 PM (fHp3E)
I'll give you an example of a Democrat who should be outed.
Let's imagine a closed gay Dem (sex on the sly) who announces that he is against "special rights for gay," votes for a Constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.
I'd out him.
Now let's imagine a closeted Republican who says that "gay rights is a conservative principle" and says that equal protection, including marriage has to be afforded to all Americans. When asked about his personal life, he says, "it's personal."
I wouldn't out him.
Why the difference? One has policies at odds with his personal life. My hypothectical Republican could be accused of being timid or paranoid, but he'd be no hypocrite.
Now if you've got a Democrat who keeps his wife barefoot and pregnant...
Posted by: John D at March 08, 2007 01:34 PM (/PJS9)
So? That only matters if you think The Personal is the Political and, you disagree with the policy. I would disagree with you obviously. Vice to virtue and all that.
You're Mau-Mauing, plain and simple.
Tob
Posted by: Toby928 at March 08, 2007 02:11 PM (ATbKm)
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