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September 02, 2008

A Nation in Crisis: The Bristol Palin National Pregnancy Crisis, Day 2
— Ace

JOHN THUNE:....And the one thing that we need going into the fall campaign, which have had a little bit of a deficit on, is enthusiasm and intensity. And there's tremendous intensity behind this pick. And for that reason I think it was the right pick. If you want to get Republican voters to turn out in the fall you got to have that intensity, and Governor Palin certainly has created that among Republicans not only here but I think across the country.
MITCHELL: Can you have too much intensity? Is there the possibility that there's just too much stuff out there, too much talk, that it's too complicated for people to think of her as a potential Commander-in-Chief?

What can I say, she inspires me. I get a little thrill up my leg.

Media worries for poor John McCain that his Veep pick is taking too much of the spotlight off him.

Media also continues in its poignant concern for the Palin kids, praying that the American electorate won't take Trig's mommy from him.

Allah says this is must-see, but I don't see which link he means. Let me know if you figure it out.

DKos, as you probably know, has deleted all it's Trig Trutherism posts. (Vid in the above link; post about it at LGF; looks like he didn't yet delete one of the diaries, but I imagine he'll get around to it now that Charles has apprised him of his oversight.)

According to a commenter (and why should I check?), Kos is claiming the smear didn't originate with him, but with "Alaska Republicans on the radio."

Ah. Yes, that's why we spent the weekend talking about it. Because we were all glued to our radios listening to Alaskan talk radio. We all got this from Rush's cousin, Slush Limbaugh, and his radio show, Slush Limbaugh's Right-Wing Agent Provocateur Gothic Fake Pregnancy Krazy Konspiracy Kavalcade & Professional Toboggan Fantasy League Report.

I just drafted Swedish tobaggon prodigy and alopecia sufferer Igmar Johanssen. Kid's got amazing rocket-powered leg-strength to launch the toboggan, and almost no wind resistance whatsoever.

I'll update this more.

BTW, some have expressed reservations about my posting Levi Johnston's pic in a below post. I get the concern, but let's be realistic here: The article is from an MSM source, and the picture is contained therein. Anyone clicking on the article will see it anyway. It's been published all over the place. The kid's about to marry the daughter of the Governor of Alaska and quite possibly the next Vice President of the United States. The left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) is determined to make teen pregnancy the central front on the war on Bush's terror.

Let's say I delete the pic. Honestly -- who am I hiding it from?

More Crisis: NYT says pregnancy "fair game;" worries terribly that Sarah Palin has chosen to expose her daughter to the vicious media scrutiny the NYT is promising; also frets, again, how Sarah "Negligent Mother" Palin can possibly juggle the responsibilities of motherhood and high office.

Honestly, the level of concern shown here for Sarah Palin, Brisol Palin, and even John McCain losing his share of national attention is quite amazing.

Kudos to the national media for finally getting it, and worrying so very, very much about the emotional well-being of Sarah Palin and John McCain.

I could almost cry.

Posted by: Ace at 10:12 AM | Comments (82)
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1 That's funny, nation in crisis, Bristol Palin pregnancy day 2. Classic. -- This comment typed on the lovely just launched Google Chrome browser available from Google. This endorsement given freely without compensation. The author first learned about Chrome 50 minutes ago, and is already impressed.

Posted by: Christoph at September 02, 2008 10:14 AM (hawOV)

2 MITCHELL: Can you have too much intensity? Is there the possibility that there's just too much stuff out there, too much talk, that it's too complicated for people to think of her as a potential Commander-in-Chief?

Geez, Skeletor's working hard to keep Olbermann from being the most embarrassing news flack on cable, isn't she? 'Oh, all this enthusiasm will kill their chances out there...!'
^{Boy, Google Chrome sounds like the Obama of browsers. Psychotic zeal almost instantly.}

Posted by: stinky esposito at September 02, 2008 10:19 AM (MMC8r)

3 KKK is alive and strong,
along with witch hunts
and reverse discrimination.

Posted by: I ain't Obama's granny at September 02, 2008 10:19 AM (F1b/5)

4 Will this event help launch Nighline 2: America Held Hostage by the Fetus in Bristol Palen's Womb?

Posted by: Judd at September 02, 2008 10:21 AM (BXHeE)

It's "toboggan"

Posted by: notropis at September 02, 2008 10:21 AM (KWUsS)

6 I'm beginning to suspect McCain wins forty stares, and maybe, just maybe the Repubs retake the Senate as well...

Posted by: The Obvious at September 02, 2008 10:22 AM (1g+FW)

7 You know how I would describe 80,000 people willing to give up an evening to sit through speeches by Al Gore and Community Organizer Obama? Intense. But the good kind of intense. Not that awful Republican kind.

Posted by: Jack M. at September 02, 2008 10:22 AM (eOEgY)

"Can you have too much intensity?"

Yes, but I haven't seen anything even coming close to that for Palin. People have been so lukewarm for McCain for so long that actual enthusiasm for the ticket is a slightly disturbing novelty for some media types. Plus remember that the media plan was to use kid gloves on McCain and let him have a Bob Dole-like defeat-with-dignity. Sarah Palin disrupted that, so they're on to plans B and C.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 02, 2008 10:23 AM (hn7Rm)

9 It's touching that Barrack Obama Spokeswoman and part time Reporter Andrea Mitchell is so concerned about the well being of the Republican Party.

That's quite the gal you have there Alan. Don't let her get away from you no matter how often she sucks the barbed cock of Obama.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 02, 2008 10:25 AM (hlYel)

10 useful headlines for the MSM:

"McCain Attacks Obama through Bloggers"

"McCain Defensive on Palin Pick"

"Palin Casts Pall On GOP"

Posted by: Bart at September 02, 2008 10:26 AM (eGRG+)

Quite possibly the next VICE President of the United States. Don't go getting all Biden on us.

Or was that Freudian?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 02, 2008 10:26 AM (VBon8)

12 Taking a look at Levi Johnson's photo, I propose we fly him St. Paul, hand him a hockey stick, and turn him loose on the anarchists. If he gets tired, let him give the hockey stick to Willow Palin to finish the job.

Ask Bristol Palin,
Liberals are MEAN

Posted by: Reiver at September 02, 2008 10:28 AM (Yi1Sk)

13 I think the Repubs might even make up a little ground in the House once the Democrats and the MSM are through with all this

Posted by: The Obvious at September 02, 2008 10:30 AM (1g+FW)

14 Re: Howard Kurtz

You have to be super-ignorant or intentionally deceitful to say that Andi Sullivan is ideologically "right-leaning." Andi is a full-blown leftwing moonbat. There is nothing even remotely conservative about Andi.

Posted by: Bart at September 02, 2008 10:30 AM (eGRG+)

15 New Slogan for everyone (left and right) (heh)

http://lordnazh.com/DailyRamble/2008/09/bi-partisan-slogan.html

Posted by: Lord Nazh at September 02, 2008 10:30 AM (sBNzZ)

I love the Hotair comment that "If John Edwards were the father of Bristol's baby, we'd hear nary a peep."

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 02, 2008 10:32 AM (NnAGL)

17 also frets, again, how Sarah "Negligent Mother" Palin can possibly juggle the responsibilities of motherhood and high office.

Wait, doesn't The One have two children? Of his own I mean )I know in a sense we are all His children).

What kind of gender stereotyping is the Times engaging in here?

PUMAs! Attack!

Posted by: DrewM. at September 02, 2008 10:33 AM (hlYel)

Levi Johnston looks like a fuckin homo. I don't know what she sees in that asshole.

I bet he can't even type 80wpm. Homo looking guy like him prolly plays Civillization IV on easy mode. Lightweight. Pshh. What a waste.

Seriously though...

I hate him. I hope he gets eaten by a moose.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 10:33 AM (m6c4H)

19 btw, we see that the MSM is going to milk this story for weeks with asking the audience:
"Bristol Palin: Too Much Media Coverage or Important Story?"

Posted by: Bart at September 02, 2008 10:33 AM (eGRG+)

20 The NYT, the whole media, is a walking stereotype machine... they consider that to be their job...

Posted by: The Obvious at September 02, 2008 10:35 AM (1g+FW)

Breaking News: Levi Johnston gets eaten by a moose.

Fuck yeah.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 10:35 AM (m6c4H)

Question at the VP debate:

Donkey moderator: Governor Palin, how do you propose to handle the duties of your office with small children to raise.

Governor Palin: I'm going to take Amtrak just like Joe from Scranton did.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 02, 2008 10:36 AM (VBon8)

23 LGF:That diary isnt the only one deleted; everything posted by arcxix has disappeared.

Rove-san, the master ninja, silently slipped his sword back into the sheath on his back, and faded silently into the inky blackness of the night.

Another mission accomplished.

Posted by: Jim62sch at September 02, 2008 10:36 AM (ubHgw)

Sarah is honest. She obviously told McCain about Bristol, named after the famous race track (that Bay shit is not selling in Bubba land).

So when she gets to the convention and 30,000 people are chanting SARAH SARAH, she is going to be pumped, (hope not TOO much.)

Her speech will decide the election.

Bristol BETTER come out on the stage with everyone else, maybe Levi, too?

Fuck the liberals, shove it up their ass. The American people will LOVE IT!

I love the smell of napalm in the morning, it's the smell of VICTORY!

Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at September 02, 2008 10:37 AM (2+9Yx)

25 Think a family that names their daughter Bristol will connect with the NASCAR crowd?

Posted by: roy at September 02, 2008 10:38 AM (cB77O)

26 She obviously told McCain about Bristol,

She better have because if she didn't they deserve to lose. Him for doing a piss poor vetting job and her for thinking she could get away with it.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 02, 2008 10:40 AM (hlYel)

Oh, shit, I forgot to mention those "cocksuckers" at CNN and those "cocksuckers" at MSNBC

I hope those Cocksuckers, stop sucking my cock. I need a break.

Posted by: kempermanx at September 02, 2008 10:41 AM (2+9Yx)

28 Drew, deep breaths buddy, read PJM. He knew.

Posted by: The Obvious at September 02, 2008 10:42 AM (1g+FW)

29 "Think a family that names their daughter Bristol will connect with the NASCAR crowd?" And the dad not only races snow machines, but WINS, and doesn't let a little thing like a broken arm stop him from competing.... (I'm just getting used to this "snow machine" thing; here in Minnesota they're usually "snowmobiles" or, more often, "sleds," but I guess in Alaska they still use non-motorized -- dog-powered -- sleds.)

Posted by: notropis at September 02, 2008 10:45 AM (KWUsS)

30 I hear Andi has AIDS dementia complex.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 02, 2008 10:46 AM (l5CpW)

Entropy, seriously?

That Levi Johnston looks like one fine boy. Or are you just jealous his wrists are probably thicker than your neck?

Posted by: Tushar at September 02, 2008 10:48 AM (ZqHH5)

32 I just donated $200 to the Palin for Vice-President fund (because I promised myself I wouldn't donate to the McCain for President campaign.

I am exorcised about the Palin media crap!

When they ask Edwards what kind of Sex Ed he had then I will consider listening to the MSM again (consider)!

Posted by: mike at September 02, 2008 10:48 AM (JalPh)

33 lol, I was just reading sullivan and he is calling her St. Palin and complaining about her lack of experience. This is hilarious.

Posted by: bleh at September 02, 2008 10:48 AM (GNCy6)

34 I think that McCain has pwned the KosKidz again with another false-flag operation. Kos has been frantically flogging a rumor for a couple days that she was an Alaska secessionist because of a party membership in the early 90s.

The McCain campaign has now released documents proving she's been a Republican since Reagan's first term.

Another epic Kos fail. Next!

Posted by: Jim62sch at September 02, 2008 10:48 AM (ubHgw)

35 Here's the rule of thumb that sees you through all this stuff and gets you to the truth. The media is lying to increase their own political clout. Look back at Maliki bogged down in Basra, and Jamil Hussein and Bilal Hussein and John Edwards and Mary Mapes, and the surge won't work, and bruned Sunis and headess bodies, and beachamp... the rule of thumb holds up every time.... I sort of wish it didn't. I wish we had a media that would make even a half hearted attempt to be half way truthful...we just don't. And need to stop pretending we do. Right leaning pundits especially need to stop pretending they do.

Posted by: The Obvious at September 02, 2008 10:48 AM (1g+FW)

36 I hear Quilly Mammoth is a poo dropping moby.

Posted by: David Ross at September 02, 2008 10:48 AM (GwV+j)

37 The Obvious,

I didn't say McCain didn't know, I'm just saying he better have.

I think it's hysterical that the press is trying to get a process story out of it. I guess they are looking for anything that lets them say, print or post the words, "Sarah Palin's pregnant, unmarried daughter..."

Posted by: DrewM. at September 02, 2008 10:49 AM (hlYel)

Posted by: notropis at September 02, 2008 03:45 PM (KWUsS)

Um, that's because it is a snowmobile.

A snow machine is that thing that spews out fake snow all over the garbage dump every winter so you can ski down it and pretend like it was fun and worth ruining 3 pairs of gloves taking the tow-rope back up.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 10:49 AM (m6c4H)

39 Entropy: In Alaska, what we all call "snowmobiles," they call "snow machines." They evidently don't need fake snow makers; so that particular noun was available to appropriate for the vehicles. (See Byron York and Jonah Goldberg's comments over at the Corner, yesterday, or listen to an interview with Todd Palin.)

Posted by: notropis at September 02, 2008 10:51 AM (KWUsS)

Yes, and in Alaska they build houses out of ice blocks... what's your point?

That alaska is retarded and that's why we created Canada (to keep a buffer zone)? No contest.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 10:53 AM (m6c4H)

MITCHELL: Can you have too much intensity? Is there the possibility that there's just too much stuff out there, too much talk, that it's too complicated for people to think of her as a potential Commander-in-Chief?

I can say with certainty that it is way too complicated for Andrea to think about.

Posted by: Javems at September 02, 2008 10:53 AM (hq71Y)

42 Did I mention that it is stuff like this that makes me hate the media?

Posted by: Harry at September 02, 2008 10:53 AM (Qfqdu)

43 The burning question is...

Can Obama handle not having the spotlight on himself for over 48 hours?

Posted by: Tom at September 02, 2008 10:55 AM (5rt67)

44 I can't believe the MSM is still banging on this, if you'll pardon the pun. Everybody knows somebody that has been through this issue. It will not only discredit them even more than usual but make more people actually look at the Palin family and really like what they see.

Posted by: JimK at September 02, 2008 10:56 AM (T36YY)

45 My point is that a guy that can ride one 2000 miles with a broken arm, and come home to Sarah Palin afterwards, has earned the right to call it whatever the fuck he wants.

Posted by: notropis at September 02, 2008 10:57 AM (KWUsS)

46 I have a close friend who grew up in Eagle River,Alaska, between Anchorage and Wasilla. He always mentioned snow machines, but they were the really large tracked vehicles with fairly substantial cabins for cross country trekking in the winter. They had names like "Tundra Runner" and such.

Posted by: JimK at September 02, 2008 11:00 AM (T36YY)

47 One of my favorite reads is Asia Times' eponymous Spengler, who has an interesting post up predicting a "landslide" win for McCain/Palin. His rationale is that even though Obama is the smartest guy in the room, he's made some colossally stupid blunders of which the main one was choosing Biden rather than Hillary as his running-mate. I don't agree that Obama is so much smarter than anyone else; JFK had the same mystique, and for the same reason: good rhetorical skills can cover up a multitude of other defects. However, his main thrust is...interesting.

I don't really buy the argument, though. McCain may well win, but I sincerely doubt it's going to be by a "landslide". It's going to be a squeaker either way, and I still think Obama's going to have to really work to lose this one. Democrats are highly-motivated this year, and that will show in the turnout come election-time. It remains to be seen if the GOP can stir up the same enthusiasm (and maintain it until November).

Posted by: Monty at September 02, 2008 11:00 AM (4Pleu)

48 Look, notropis, Todd Palin is like 3 centimeters from being put on the moose list as well, so let's not push his luck.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 11:00 AM (m6c4H)

49 Didn't we hit intensity overload last Thursday?

Posted by: mpur at September 02, 2008 11:01 AM (J9EWQ)

50 I love the Hotair comment that "If John Edwards were the father of Bristol's baby, we'd hear nary a peep."

Yes, the lovely MSM, "We MUST protect Elizabeth, fully mature woman, old political hand, cancer survivor, from these dastardly lies and smears!!!"

"Bristol Palin? GET THAT HORRIBLE SLUT!!!"

Posted by: nightwitch at September 02, 2008 11:03 AM (dfTf5)

51 When we start burning down our neighborhoods on election night, then we'll have too much intensity.

As an aside, I'm astonished at the boldness of the Bristol play. The McCain camp knew about the pregnancy, knew it would come out, but didn't make it known on Friday to defuse it and clearly were not afraid of the issue. To me, that implies that this entire sub-plot was scripted by the McCain camp. Are the Democrats and the media so predictable that the campaign could have anticipated that their opponents would go over the top in such an unflattering way?

Rove retired? I think not.

Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 02, 2008 11:04 AM (evdj2)

52 If the media think that a teenage pregnancy will turn off conservative base (because they look the world through their own perception), they got another thing coming.

That little thing on her finger (the engagement ring) and the fact that the family supports her decision will UNITE the base even more. Like I said to the people I play online game with, just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you can dismiss it out of hand. The media and KOSkids DO NOT understand their enemy. They'll rue the day.

Good thing we're not in the 18th Century anymore. Otherwise, Todd and Track Palin will have to kill a whole lot of scumbags in duels.

Posted by: BigFire at September 02, 2008 11:05 AM (Kwn4z)

I love that the same people that worry about the family example Palin has set for her daughter to end up pregnant are the same people that said it didn't matter if Clinton was having his knob polished by interns in the Oval office.

Posted by: Rob B at September 02, 2008 11:07 AM (q32Ly)

In last election, they tried to make Cheney's daughter an issue, and it backfired. Even die-hard evangelicals were outraged over the attacks on Mary Cheney. And those attacks were benign.

These idiots learn nothing.

Posted by: Tushar at September 02, 2008 11:12 AM (ZqHH5)

55 "I'm just getting used to this "snow machine" thing;"

That's funny, because when I moved to Minnesota after having lived in Alaska, I couldn't figure out what the hell a "snow MOBILE" was. Did you hang it over your kids crib or something? I still say snow machine, screw the natives.

Posted by: Master of None at September 02, 2008 11:15 AM (gyNYk)

Is a batmobile something you hang over your kids crib?

Or did you not see that because you don't have viewing machines in Alaska?

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 11:16 AM (m6c4H)

57 Andrea Mitchell? Sarah Palin craps bigger'n she does.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 02, 2008 11:24 AM (FO+YO)

58 In fact, I would give a year's pay to see Andrea Mitchell teabagged by Dick Cheney.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 02, 2008 11:26 AM (FO+YO)

59 I hear David Ross doesn't know shit from shinola. Visit my blog, bitch.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 02, 2008 11:28 AM (l5CpW)

Sawyer also bristled at how Karl Rove reportedly called Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden a big blowhard doofus, forcing McCain advisor Nicolle Wallace to confess she didnt know the precise definition of doofus. Dictionary.com offers various definitions, including an incompetent, foolish, or stupid person or a dolt, idiot, nerd.

Classic. Yes, the devil always overplays his hand. This time will be no exception. The nutroots are also slamming Palin because she attended the backwoods Univ. of Idaho and not the lofty halls of Harvard as did Obama. How many parents send their kids to state schools & community colleges versus one of the big ivy league schools? Keep insulting America you idiots.

Posted by: Nurse Cheri at September 02, 2008 11:28 AM (cz6lG)

61 " viewing machines"

we called them videomobiles.

Posted by: Master of None at September 02, 2008 11:31 AM (gyNYk)

More people can relate to Sarah Palin and her family than can relate to a metrosexual black dude who went to an ivy league school and hangs with domestic terrorists.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 02, 2008 11:44 AM (CiVat)

63 This stuff is driving me crazy. Who vetted Obama. Did anyone ask about Wright,Ayers and Rezco. Obama buys his house in conjunction with a convicted felon in order to afford to buy it, gets favorable loan terms from a local bank at a rate unavailable to the general public, sends an earmark to the hospital where his wife works and she gets a raise to a $300,000 salary and these are just the recent past. There is also getting a large book advance for an autobiography right after he graduates from college, gets an extension and funds to go to Bali to write it. Chairs a multimillion dollar grant which produces no results for the Chicago schools while rewarding Ayers weathermen buddies with grants as well as Trinity Church. BUT, Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter makes her unfit for higher office. If the vice presidential nominee was a male first term governor we wouldn't hear a word. Do you think the left would be complaining about Tim Kaine? Bobby Jindal has accomplished more in 6 months in Louisiana than Obama has in his entire career.Keep telling women that we can't hold higher office. Yeah, tell it to Angela Merkel. Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir didn't know how to handle foreign policy. The backlash that is coming will be transformative.

Posted by: Sharon at September 02, 2008 11:47 AM (/rn73)

"Toboggan"

I think she's from Alaska, not Tobago.

Posted by: flan at September 02, 2008 11:55 AM (2jywx)

65 The backlash that is coming will be transformative.

Or its lack may be revealing. I thought that black democratic voters would support our several black republicans in the last election, they voted for old white democratic guys.

It could well be revealed that feminists are for women, as long as it seems to help the democratic party, rather than being for the democratic party to help women.

Posted by: toby hussein 928 at September 02, 2008 11:58 AM (evdj2)

Andi is a full-blown leftwing moonbat. There is nothing even remotely conservative about Andi.

Aww, come now Bart... Andy isn't into bestiality (as far as we know). And ya gotta admit, that's pretty ding-danged conservative right there!

Posted by: John Bradley at September 02, 2008 11:58 AM (Y3Sui)

67 > Or did you not see that because you don't have viewing machines in Alaska?

That got a laugh out of me. It reminds me of a fellow in Wyoming who made fun of us back-Easters for saying "cuy-oat-ee" instead of "cuy-oat." He'd add "-ie" to every animal's name for our benefit: moosie, bearie, bisonie, hawkie, etc.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at September 02, 2008 12:04 PM (j02xJ)

68 BREAKING NEWS AT 11: BRISTOL PALIN STILL PREGNANT; MORE AS IT DEVELOPS.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 12:34 PM (HgAV0)

Apparently Mr Wyoming has never seen a Road Runner cartoon eh?

Wile E. Coyote is suppose to rhyme...

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 12:37 PM (HgAV0)

70 Day 2? How long does this fucking thing go?

Posted by: km at September 02, 2008 12:46 PM (mrk0R)

OK, correct me if I am wrong here,

"The One's" mother gets jungle fever and has sex with an African man, who is still married in Africa. She has the baby, and this "gentleman" after a year moves back to Africa, still in question whether or not their "marriage" is legal. She leaves the country and again marries another "gentleman" from another country. After a few years she ships her son back to her parents to raise.

Just your average American family right? Nothing here to look into, right?

Cocksuckers!

Posted by: kempermanx at September 02, 2008 12:56 PM (2+9Yx)

72 Is it possible to have too-perfect an orgasm, Ace?

Posted by: Emanuelle at September 02, 2008 01:34 PM (qKkaY)

Day 2? How long does this fucking thing go?

(9-5)x30 = 120.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2008 02:58 PM (HgAV0)

I really didn't think I could have less respect for the national mainstream media. I was wrong. Obama is getting the ultimate free pass, with happy endings. But Palin is being hung out for her daughter being pregnant. It would be surreal if it wasn't real.

Posted by: Mohammed Chip Hussein Jihad Shahid Mohammed Mahmoud Muhammad at September 02, 2008 04:29 PM (sOtz/)

Those media guys are just jealous 'cause I'm a f---ing redneck and I kick ass. And, oh yeah, I'm humpin' the governor's 17-year-old daughter.

Every. Freakin. Night.

Posted by: Levi "Moose Dick" Johnston at September 02, 2008 04:53 PM (oA3wY)

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