October 31, 2008
— Ace When I was a kid, my parents took me to a drive-in. (Yeah, I'm old enough that there were still a few drive-ins around when I was a kid -- but they were dying out, man! It wasn't like I was Kinicke in Grease taking dates to them!)
Anyway, we saw some movie. Forget which. Probably a Burt Reynolds movie. (Yes, I'm old enough that when I was a kid they were still letting Burt Reynolds make movies. But his box office was declining, man! Within years he'd be doing Stroker Ace.)
But the trailer that came before it scared the shit out of me.
I've been trying to find this for years and years. Tonight I thought it might be Fulci's The Beyond, but it wasn't.
I realized, after all these years, the title was Beyond the Door.
Now, yes, this is such a blatant Exorcist rip-off it's not funny. But then, I hadn't see the Exorcist when I was a kid so I didn't know that.
Still, it's a pretty creepy trailer. What on earth were my parents doing taking me to a theater showing trailers like this.
Anyone want to mention their worst nightmares?
I've got two. The first one is a recurring one I had all through childhood, particularly when I had a fever.
I would feel the cold hard rocky feel of macadam asphalt on the side of my face, like I was lying in a street. (Always felt that in this dream.) I would see myself, looking down on myself, as I lay in some very large recurring geometrical pattern made from featureless flat-black material. The "camera," if you will, would rise and rise, revealing the geometric pattern repeating and repeating, larger and larger, as I became smaller and smaller. Ultimately, of course, the pattern was revealed to be pretty much infinite.
Had that one twenty times.
The other one I remember is more of a "fun" nightmare. In my dream, I walked past the upstairs bathroom towards my bedroom. I look over at the shower, and think I hear something... scratching, breathing past the shower curtain.
I think nothing of it, of course, and lay down in bed.
The clock radio next to me tells me that there's an escaped lunatic at large.
At this point, I realize, "Hey, you know what, maybe that sound in the bathroom..." and I get up to lock my door.
But as I reach for the lock, the door bursts open, and an eight foot tall maniac wearing a lab coat and wielding it a meat-cleaver smashes my fucking head in two as he yells out "Scalllllpel!," rolling the l there in the middle.
And I know he wasn't holding a scalpel at all. I wish it had been a scalpel. What it was was a good eighty square inches of gleaming butcher-axe.
But that's what he said.
At any rate, and here's the cool thing about this nightmare, I was so startled and frightened that I half woke up and stumbled to the door, insensate, half-dreaming, half-awake, in a frantic attempt to lock the door. (Yes, I'd already been murdered, but it's a dream, you know.) I got about six steps before my legs, utterly uncoordinated due to the fact I was, you know, asleep, tripped up and I fell forward and cracked my head right on the jam of the door.
Producing an awful pain not entirely unlike that of a maniac burying a meat-cleaver in your corpus colossum as he screams out "Scalllllpel!" for unknown reasons.
Having had my bell rung nicely, I spent the next minute waking up and puzzling out precisely what had been real and what had been imagined.
But, honestly, I was right by the door I tried to get to in my dream, and my head hurt. So you can understand my confusion.
That was the scariest "scary" sort of nightmare I ever had. All the others... well, a constant parade of high school administrators telling me I don't have enough credits to graduate and will have to take gym for the next three years to make up for it.
"Now get up that rope, pussy!"
Less is More: Here's a longer trailer for Beyond the Door. Not scary. Laughable.
The expanded trailer reveals it's not just a ripoff of the Exorcist. It's a ripoff of Rosmary's Baby and The Omen, too.
Maybe this is why I've never thought the Exorcist was scary. I saw the trailer for this movie first. Later on I was like, "Oh, yeah, her head spins around like that woman's in that scary Italian movie."
Loose Shit: Right, it's StRoker Ace, and Six-Pack wasn't Burt Reynolds, it was Kenny Rogers, but you know it must have been written for Burt Reynolds. And for the first time in his his life, he turned down a move about race-car driving. Wisely.
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Posted by: apotheosis at October 31, 2008 10:21 PM (xWk3U)
Posted by: pirate of the perineum at October 31, 2008 10:26 PM (rKSJ1)
Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at October 31, 2008 10:26 PM (4Qspj)
Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at October 31, 2008 10:28 PM (4Qspj)
Sort of like American politics. Patterns in the chaos! Chaos in the patterns! And whatnot.
Posted by: amp at October 31, 2008 10:29 PM (h37S5)
Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 31, 2008 10:31 PM (i73Rf)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2008 10:31 PM (8T2pi)
At age 4.
Yeah, good times.
Posted by: moronizer at October 31, 2008 10:33 PM (n++Yj)
Hm.
That's odd. There's gotta be something structural in the brain causing that during fevers if two other people had it, one of them during a fever.
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2008 10:34 PM (8T2pi)
Ok if I lie on the couch Dr. O'Spades?
Thank you.
Tornadoes. I have constant terrifying tornado dreams. Sometimes it's one, and sometimes I'm surrounded by them. Lot's of different scenarios too. Sometimes I have shelter, other times not. The dreams always end right before I'm about to get hit by them. Probably a result of growing up in Oklahoma and having been in a couple of houses hit by them.
Also, the usual one that everyone has: It's the last day of school and final exams. But there's this one particular class I never attended for the entire year. The subject doesn't matter, but I'm running in a panic to get to this classroom and take the final, which I know nothing about, and can't find the classroom in the labyrinth of hallways. The setting always seems to be my middle school.
Thanks Dr O'Spades. Yes, I'm sure your receptionist will show me the way out and we'll schedule another session for next week.
Posted by: genghis at October 31, 2008 10:34 PM (HwY1l)
At some point, I trained myself to say, "It's just a dream! It's just a dream!" and I could wake up.
Later, I learned to fight back, and to enjoy it. Then the nightmares stopped.
I think that's a pretty sweet metaphor for much of life.
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 10:36 PM (hawOV)
I've had SERIOUS nightmares. I never woke up screaming, I woke up running.
I'm a child of divorced parents, I know thats nothing special, but my NIGHTMARE's, the ones that made me shoot awake in the middle of the night, to listen at my parents door, or to patrol the house consisted of absolutely no violence whatsoever.
In my dream, I was just a kid, doing what kids do, and somewhere in my simple dream, I would see something fall.
I felt I absolutely possitively had to keep that thing that was falling from hitting the ground, and I never could, and I would wake up in a run looking for some way to keep that fucker from falling.
You asked for a nightmare.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 10:36 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 31, 2008 10:36 PM (i73Rf)
Posted by: moronizer at October 31, 2008 10:36 PM (n++Yj)
I get shot at a lot in my dreams. My best friend has the same recurring theme. We're close but we never, you know, experimented so I don't know what the shared dream crap is about.
Posted by: sdkruiser at October 31, 2008 10:37 PM (KtmCv)
No idea on that one
I've had the geometric thing, but it was invariably pleasant and invariably the result of a substance, and invariably occurred when I was awake.
Posted by: moronizer at October 31, 2008 10:39 PM (n++Yj)
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 10:39 PM (hawOV)
Another Nightmare I have, is, after my mind cycles through all of the good things I've experienced in my life, my bean needs something to keep itself occupied as I sleep.
I dream of murder. Not vengeful murder, but Cold and indifferent murder, where life means nothing. Where there is only one punishment, and only I can dish it out.
Want more?
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 10:40 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: pirate of the perineum at October 31, 2008 10:42 PM (rKSJ1)
Learning to attain consciousness while in a dream was fun, and I simply forced myself to learn it or I was never going to get a full night's sleep. Now it's second nature if a dream's getting too intense. All the bullets fly at proper speeds, kill the baddies, and i wake up if something's just too fucked. Still don't sleep much, but no real nightmares.
Posted by: moronizer at October 31, 2008 10:43 PM (n++Yj)
Posted by: pirate of the perineum at October 31, 2008 10:44 PM (rKSJ1)
Actually, my "best" nightmares involve compliant naked women in a capacity tangential to the scary parts of the dream.
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 31, 2008 10:44 PM (YvLui)
Posted by: moronizer at October 31, 2008 10:45 PM (n++Yj)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 10:45 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 10:45 PM (V1E6L)
Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 31, 2008 10:46 PM (i73Rf)
Posted by: gp at October 31, 2008 10:48 PM (gsxJU)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 10:49 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 10:49 PM (hawOV)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 10:51 PM (V1E6L)
Novel that, as I have been doing sleep studies, and EEGs, for years and I know you never truly lose consciousness when sleeping. You do, however, move from one stage of it to another...
True, you go through certain stages, beta, theta, alpha (eyes closed) , sleep spindles, K complexes, slow wave sleep, REM if you're lucky, and a high SDI
(Sleep disturbance index ) if you're not...
But you're never, ever unconscious in the classic sense unless injured or drugged into that state, barring stroke, TIA or other illness or disease.
Maybe what you have is sleep state misperception, or oxygen deprivation psychosis, or another sleep related problem like apnea, hypopnea or the like...
Ever get a sleep consult done?
Sounds like you're a prime candidate for one. It could literally save your life.
*steps down from his professional soapbox*
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 10:52 PM (2rMGM)
Sucks.
In one, some maniac chased me down an alley and was going to kill me until I dream-edited I was hiding in the dumpster behind him... with a shotgun. Burst out of the dumpster, blew his head off. Woke up.
Another great one I have is that I can fly -- this is so awesome it hurts -- or that I am, actually, in fact, Spiderman. (Yes, really.)
These dreams, being awesome beyond all measure, last a few lousy minutes before my stupid moronbrain realizes there's no way my life could possibly be this good and rejects it as counterfeit.
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2008 10:53 PM (8T2pi)
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 10:54 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 10:54 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: gp at October 31, 2008 10:54 PM (gsxJU)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 10:55 PM (ul7te)
I'll skip the seratonin, dopamine, acetylcholine chemistry thing...
I dig this stuff.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 10:58 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: phil at October 31, 2008 10:58 PM (fDO1N)
One of the things I love about the fight scenes in "The Warriors?" Ball punches are common.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 10:58 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 31, 2008 10:58 PM (i73Rf)
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 10:59 PM (2rMGM)
Yes, it is!
These dreams, being awesome beyond all measure, last a few lousy minutes before my stupid moronbrain realizes there's no way my life could possibly be this good and rejects it as counterfeit.
That is a letdown, but... if you didn't wake up then you wouldn't remember you had the dream at all.
Focus on the positivity a bit, Ace. I hit someone for being too much "Power of Positive Thinking" and not enough realism earlier. You need to take some steps the other direction.
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 10:59 PM (hawOV)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 11:00 PM (V1E6L)
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:00 PM (2rMGM)
And the Scarriest movie ever, is "When a Stranger Calls." The original. I don't care, disagree as you please, but watch YOUR scarriest movie ever, and sleep, then watch "When a Stranger Calls." the next day.
Lets see how you sleep.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:01 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 11:01 PM (hawOV)
Posted by: jaleach at October 31, 2008 11:01 PM (gHrZU)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:02 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:03 PM (ul7te)
Naps and alternating waking periods. Looking for excessive daytime sleepiness, only good way to separate narcolepsy from just not sleeping well, like from drinking too darned much, morons.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:03 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: jaleach at October 31, 2008 11:04 PM (gHrZU)
I still dream like a motherfucker. I occasionally repeat old childhood nightmares, things are heavy, things are too tight, odd symmetry, yeah, symmetry, I'm unprepared for something or another, etc. I have new dreams about random everyday shit like being pissed about something in the house.
Lucid dreaming causes me to wake up too. At the same time, I often spend weekend mornings prolonging pleasant dreams. I can get back into the story before the next alarm.
The main thing I've always had, and still get, is that my dreams seem to happen in the periphery of my vision. I never feel like I'm looking directly at my dream. That's what freaks me out about my nightmares. It's always coming from the side.
Posted by: counter at October 31, 2008 11:05 PM (8/0ME)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 11:05 PM (V1E6L)
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:05 PM (2rMGM)
That's Stroker Ace.
Tighten that shit up, or Sean Connery will come down on you like, well I forget how the rest goes, but your mother is a whore.
Posted by: krakatoa at October 31, 2008 11:05 PM (7J6Hw)
Posted by: jamrat at October 31, 2008 11:06 PM (ZOxD0)
Posted by: gp at October 31, 2008 11:07 PM (gsxJU)
Oh, sorry, I was thinking of nympholepsy. Although Ace's symptoms sound surprisingly like that.
h/t Firefox's thesaurus
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 11:07 PM (hawOV)
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:07 PM (2rMGM)
But thanks for the commenting on a blog bull, just the same. I went to school for this after the service.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:10 PM (2rMGM)
Also, the usual one that everyone has: It's the last day of school and final exams. But there's this one particular class I never attended for the entire year...
Aahaha. I have that one. My other recurring ones: the one where my teeth fall out, the one where I'm being chased by a psycho killer and I try to scream, but nothing comes out, and the one where I'm covered with ticks. Yeah, I'm boring.
Posted by: TiredWench at October 31, 2008 11:10 PM (Kx1hM)
My dreams are so vivid, that when I wake up almost always apologizing.
Then I take a few minutes to take a basic assessment of my surroundings to make sure that my dreams were just dreams.
Whenever I rack at my bro's place, I have only two options.
One is to actually get out of bed, and stay quiet until my brother says something that tells me whether my memories/dreams were true or false. Or I stay in bed till my bro gets pissed.
I generaly chose option two, cuz I get to play with his puppies/puppy who like/likes strangers.
It's freaky, I really don't like it.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:11 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 11:12 PM (hawOV)
While awake, I have the most irrational of fears.
Really, all my fears are irrational, the rational ones, I handle like it's nothing, in fact they invigorate me.
Climbing a rock? EXCITING!!!! Driving over an overpass? Scared shitless.
The things that fuck me up in my dreams? are all alegories of life, and I can describe all of them, but I won't. Not to you, Not to my Bro, Not to my Mom, or Dad.
Ain't found anyone yet I can explain those fears to.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:14 PM (ul7te)
Maybe it's a translation issue, who knows, but honestly, you do realize you're being a bit passive/aggressive with the host here. Right?
Posted by: counter at October 31, 2008 11:15 PM (8/0ME)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:15 PM (ul7te)
left in America, since the healthcare scene at my work is full of foaming at the mouth leftards and socialized medicine idjits.
I find you morons refreshingly sarcastic, profane, sometimes ill informed but always entertaining.
Since I am an anachronism at work, I enjoy reading this blog.
Let's my sorry ass think I'm not quite by myself in all this.
But I could be wrong.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:16 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 11:16 PM (V1E6L)
Top?
Really?
I pour my psyche out into this thread, and you minimize me like that?
Thats fucked up.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:18 PM (ul7te)
Scary. But with ...skills.
Skills.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:18 PM (2rMGM)
I mean, I had dreams I hated -- the ones you are being chased, the falling ones. But they were more just frustrating than scary. I realized I was dreaming and was bored to tears with that dream again.
The only one of those worth mentioning was one time dreaming I was falling, and then when I hit the ground, I literally hit the ground. I had rolled off the top bunk and landed flat on my back. My brother woke up and laughed his ass off at me, and within 10 seconds, my mom was at the door. Hell of a mother, with hearing and the response time of a superhero.
I learned how to do lucid dreaming, desperate to be able to break away from those monotonous programs. After that I was able to "change channels" as it were, anytime I started in on the same old shit. That's when my dreams started at least getting interesting.
Interesting, and I suppose I then had dreams that should have been scary. But they were so ludicrous that I usually woke up laughing. Like the one about the "scary" old sea captain on the wharf by Lake Michigan telling me about a sea monster, upon which the water starts boiling, and the grizzled peg-leg gets swallowed whole by a pink hippo.
Or the one where a crazed maniac is after me and another friend. We get separated and I'm hiding in a house by the door. It creaks open dramatically, my buddy lurches in through the door with a melted face, one eyeball hanging on his cheek in a mass of putrescent goo, he opens his mug in a hacked up leer and says "Hello, Ricky!".
My name isn't Ricky.
Now the sex dreams -- droogs, you learn lucid dreaming, and you'll never want to wake up.
Posted by: krakatoa at October 31, 2008 11:18 PM (7J6Hw)
Posted by: Throbert McGee at October 31, 2008 11:19 PM (NwOTJ)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:20 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 11:21 PM (V1E6L)
counter,
"passive/aggressive"
passive?
When the fuck do I limit myself to "passive" aggression?
Anyway, it was a joke. I had to think of something to say. At first I thought that nympholepsy was going to mean being a nymphomaniac, and then I had to improv.
Tonight I've tried to help Ace solve his smoking problem and add years of healthy life living with his wife and family not to mention feeling a lot better about himself each day every day, learn a new way to adopt beliefs to improve his family's finances, and conquer his fears, and so forth.
For which, his commenters shit on me.
Fine. That doesn't surprise me. And Ace didn't, which I appreciate.
However, if I put myself out there at the risk of mockery if not criticism in an effort to assist Ace on these pretty damn important issues, some of which he says he's struggling with, then I think you may safely assume I don't hate the guy and I hope you can forgive me for a joke. Now that I've explained it.
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 11:23 PM (hawOV)
I wouldn't say "never want to wake up." but maybe, "have a serious problem TRYING to wake up."
I like life, even though mine sucks.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:23 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: krakatoa at October 31, 2008 11:24 PM (7J6Hw)
Posted by: Marilyn Chambers at October 31, 2008 11:25 PM (NwOTJ)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:25 PM (ul7te)
I almost never remember my dreams; only two come to mind-
When I was a kid, I had a nightmare that reoccured only when I had a fever. It was mostly indescribable, but it involved a large force comprised of TV static that slowly grew and threatened to destroy the world. It varied, but I do remember that I was supposed to blow it up with dynamite. Daphne from Scooby Doo might have been involved too. Doing so would also kill me, but it ended up failing for some reason and the dream would end just as the evil entity was about to destroy everything. I'd wake from that one covered in sweat, not knowing what the fuck was going on.
The other recent one involves shooting someone to death for some stupid reason, and having to panic over the consequences because I knew I'd be caught, and also not understanding why I killed the person.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 31, 2008 11:27 PM (gHv/5)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:29 PM (ul7te)
"I pour my psyche out into this thread, and you minimize me like that?"
"Thats fucked up."
I'm secure enough in myself that I really don't worry about criticism. I agree with Denis Prager said here about being loved. 4 awesome minutes you won't regret. And it touches on the current political situation. Even on parenting.
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 11:29 PM (hawOV)
Is that the young, Behind the Green Door Marilyn Chambers, or the old, used up 1999 Still Insatiable Marilyn?
Because I would kill for the '72 version.
Posted by: krakatoa at October 31, 2008 11:29 PM (7J6Hw)
Shoot me. But nice misappropriation of a slogan for your own ends. 99 and 44/100ths ? I forgot that stuff.
Getting old, suppose.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:29 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 11:30 PM (V1E6L)
In a public forum, you could know all sorts of things about all sorts of things. True or not. Who knows?
The thing is, you never actually have to repeat any of it. You hear what I'm saying?
If you want to hint around the edges, I was in that thread. I admitted wacky epileptic symptoms. Why bust my balls for mentioning it?
Posted by: counter at October 31, 2008 11:32 PM (8/0ME)
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:32 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:33 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 11:34 PM (hawOV)
Yeah, the "I Break Bitches" thing is the only thing that is who I am, every thing else, no matter the sentences, no matter the paragraphs, no matter the distinct descriptions, fuck that.
"I Break Bitches" is the only truth.
Should have saved this for the hostages, as least they aren't arrogant.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:34 PM (ul7te)
But thanks for the commenting on a blog bull, just the same. I went to school for this after the service.
How do I get my hands on a black-market sleep apnea dealio?
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2008 11:35 PM (8T2pi)
i've had recurring weird dreams as a child but never nightmares--recurring that is. i had a waking nightmare that lasted over a year back in '04, but the last sleeping one i had was when my son (now 5.5) was a few weeks old. i was sleeping on my side and dreamt he was crawling behind me and then up over my back and hip and then when perched on my side it became a mountain and he was falling. but i woke up screaming before he landed. i've had other nightmares (non recurring) but that's the only one i remember. i know it's supposed to be a *recurring* one we talk about, but given this one happened over five years ago and i still remember it vividly, thought it might count for something.
by the way, ace, that drive-in thing sounds awesome. why'd they get rid of them?
Posted by: fireweed at October 31, 2008 11:37 PM (uUo56)
I'm willing to go with a discount mexican version with a, say, 15% chance of death.
No higher than that.
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2008 11:38 PM (8T2pi)
Occasionally I have a bit of dream while awake. Come back and feel stressed about it.
Can be fugue type thing sometimes. Othertimes, more just a locked in pattern.
Posted by: counter at October 31, 2008 11:38 PM (8/0ME)
starved brain from waking up several hundred times a night in really bad cases, telling you to BREATH,dammit!
There are alot of types but I haven't ever gotten one 'black market' for someone, just to be honest.
For a smoker, you can magnify all the things I wrote regarding breathing and toss in some higher BP and peripheral vascular trouble as well.
Just a ray of sunshine, aren't I?
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:42 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 11:42 PM (V1E6L)
Unfortunately, I really don't keep up with what the various regulars, or irregulars, currently find offensive.
I'll make a note not to mention bitches or breaking in any contextual situation involving you if that's your new bete noir. No skin off my back. But seriously? Lighten up Wendy. It's a Friday night on a relatively light comment thread.
What the hell sort of stuff do you expect from the morons?
Posted by: krakatoa at October 31, 2008 11:42 PM (7J6Hw)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2008 11:44 PM (8T2pi)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:44 PM (ul7te)
BRPT Board of Registered Polysomnographic Technologists
Look up link of amino acids and dreaming, things about diet and the stress factorsd on your parasympathetic nervous system, look up sleep deprivation on any thing like SleepMD, or any of the major health sites and start winnowing down what you think applies to your case.
It varies by every person you treat, i find.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:45 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2008 11:46 PM (8T2pi)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:47 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 11:47 PM (V1E6L)
You have to know that alcohol is a CNS suppressant and makes trouble with your brain/sleep worse. Also changes your brain chemistry a lot.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:47 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Beleaguered Hobo at October 31, 2008 11:48 PM (Sxdcg)
Ace?
Can you breath through your nose?
When you Wake up can you breathe through your nose?
Most of the time it's not a fucking condition, it's just shitty sinus'.
Trust me on that shit. EVERYONE I know with "apnea" is a smoker, or a drinker, or both.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:49 PM (ul7te)
BiPaP is $1000 more or less
ASV, autoservo bipap...1250 and up.
Biggest thing is regulating your pressure and getting the nose or mask fit right.
Hard to do on your own.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:50 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 11:50 PM (hawOV)
girlfriends tell me I wake up because I stop breathing during sleep. And of course I'm forever dog-tired.
I want the cpap.
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2008 11:51 PM (8T2pi)
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:51 PM (2rMGM)
Looks like all the good nightmare stuff is over. Time for me to go to sleep, perchance to dream of a run-in with a '72 Marilyn Chambers. Yeah. And maybe throw in a nice '87 Nina Hartley.
That is the stuff.
Bunk.
Posted by: krakatoa at October 31, 2008 11:52 PM (7J6Hw)
that's funny.
Why's it funny?
I can't breath through my schnoz, or my throat when I wake up many mornings, cuz I smoke and drink as much as I do.
I end up waking up every hour or so, cuz my sinus close up, and as I try to breath, I end up inhaling snot, and I wake up coughing, and gaging and chocking.
Apnea is a SYMPTOM most of the time.
MOST of the time.
Although Ace with his brain dysfunction, might have . . .well, another brain dysfunction, but he might also just have shitty sinus'.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:52 PM (ul7te)
Posted by: ace at October 31, 2008 11:53 PM (8T2pi)
Posted by: gp at October 31, 2008 11:54 PM (gsxJU)
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 11:55 PM (hawOV)
Posted by: Marilyn Chambers né Marvin Chumburgowicz at October 31, 2008 11:57 PM (NwOTJ)
I don't think apnea is itself limited to those conditions WP and I mentioned, but they all increase the risk. Especially being overweight. Plenty of people ditch their apnea when they shed pounds.
Posted by: Christoph at October 31, 2008 11:57 PM (hawOV)
Sleep disturbance is cumulative, like back injury, as it involves your brain, and neurons which cna recover but seldom regrow, with the exception of some small clusters in the deep brain. You let it go, and it usually gets worse.
You overweight at all?
Diabetic?
Using any consistent painkillers, legal or not?
History of neurological disease in your family?
Your pop or mom snore?
Do you?
Is your neck short?
ever get almost too sleepy to drive?
Ever nod off typing for us morons?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at October 31, 2008 11:58 PM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 31, 2008 11:59 PM (V1E6L)
Sinus's is a major CAUSE of apnea.
However, I forgot that you were epileptic.
so you might have a brain condition. Like my buddies dad, who had a brain tumor, and it wasn't diagnosed until he TOO he started to wake up gasping, and then not be able to sleep cuz he had hiccups.
I wasn't being arrogant you FUCKS!
I just forgot Ace had a brain condition, actually two. JESUS CHRIST!
And if you are a nose breather, and you drain at night, when you are warm, you experience "apnea" Cuz you CAN't Breath, and then you stop breathing, and then your brain freaks the fuck out!!!
JESUS!!!!
Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 31, 2008 11:59 PM (ul7te)
You'll see they are definitely related if only aggravating each other. The second link down is a sinus and apnea treatment center!
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:01 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 01, 2008 12:01 AM (V1E6L)
You would probably need a sleep over case but there are at home units being tested and the results are mixed. depends as to how serious you are and how well you comply with your treatment. I have had folks hug me after stuff and I am not a warm hugs kind of dude.
Most everything can be treated to one degree or another but John Wayne on this could buy you a big fat stroke. Or worse. Read up on the stuff.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:01 AM (2rMGM)
After I read A Wrinkle in Time, I had a recurrent dream about being in a two-dimensional world where my lungs wouldn't function, so I smothered. Great scene. Thanks Madeleine L'Engle, great scene to put into a children's book.
Posted by: dustydog at November 01, 2008 12:04 AM (w0NJA)
THATS ALL I MEANT CHRISTOPH!!!
One of my friends, one of my BEST friends, while I was still in, his father died from a brain tumor (pay atention ace)
His dad started to have seizure's, and then his dad started to hiccup, and his father would wake up in a panic cuz he couldn't breath.
Once it was understood that his dad had an inoperable tumor, my buddy, moved in with his dad, and would stay up all night, rubing his fathers chest, to help with air flow.
I'm not talking out of my ass, or at least not completely.
I can't imagine what it was like being my friend.
Well actually I can, but not day in and day out.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:04 AM (ul7te)
You were also giving your pet theory (that I think has merit) and no one here in the wee hours is a bloody doctor, nor have we examined Ace. Yes there's one person here who has expertise in a sleep field and that's fantastic... but I bet you that person wouldn't say sinus is unrelated to sleep problems.
You've said Ace should see his doctor, the sleep guy thinks Ace should have work done on him, and I don't disagree with any of that. But what Wickedpinto's saying also makes sense.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:05 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: d at November 01, 2008 12:05 AM (++2xr)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 01, 2008 12:05 AM (V1E6L)
AASM and BRPT are two excellent sites to start with. Find a BOARD certified Sleep DOctor or Pulmonologist in your area, then make an appointment.
But that's just the thoughts of a moron...
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:06 AM (2rMGM)
You know, kind of like how I'd feel if I wake up Nov 5 and Obama's won.
Posted by: spice at November 01, 2008 12:08 AM (c14cm)
I was just saying that Ace, a guy who MUST be well informed of his medical situation because of shit that is up to him to explain, is likely well informed about his medical situation.
If he is suffering sleep apnea, maybe he should make sure his sinuses are clear.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:10 AM (ul7te)
I can get more exact references from the AASm if you wait a minute.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:10 AM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:11 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 01, 2008 12:11 AM (V1E6L)
I learned that with my aunt who was clotting after her open heart, John.
She would pass out randomly, and I would have to basicaly, squeeze her from the spine to the sternum, to give her enough energy to be away.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:12 AM (ul7te)
I left a comment on that thread you can see if you want to see my position on it.
I listened to it. I thought I'd bring it to your attention.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:13 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: d at November 01, 2008 12:13 AM (++2xr)
Tops right on that Christoph.
Top might be a . . . .jerk, but Top and I get along, They know I'm not retarded.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:14 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:14 AM (hawOV)
americaninsomniaassociation.org
brpt.org narcolepsynetwork.org
need more? I can aim you if you want.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:14 AM (2rMGM)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 01, 2008 12:14 AM (V1E6L)
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:16 AM (2rMGM)
These alleged internal polls are crap.
But if theyÂ’re not crap, whoopee!
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:16 AM (hawOV)
I don't know D.
His dad would have these constant hiccup attacks, and when they came in, my friend had to muscle in to his fathers chest, so he could breath.
I understand, from the same friend, that Hiccups, are actually an involuntary reation of the brain trying to catch air, which I can relate to, based on the times I sucked water, but, I wasn't this far away from dying.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:16 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:18 AM (hawOV)
No clue Johny. we were just told that she might have strange reactions, and it's important to always rumber her back, and the area around her tits.
I felt very wierd doing it, but, THATS MY FUCKING AUNT! so I did it, cuz the doc's said I shoud.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:19 AM (ul7te)
But I do throw excessive sleep spindles and I do have sleep disordered breathing and I live with it. And I'm 46 and very healthy, thanks again. Not a sinus problem usually. Wrong. Very wrong.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:19 AM (2rMGM)
There's the old hammer/nail theory which could be at work.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:21 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:22 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Bart at November 01, 2008 12:22 AM (5DHMR)
Wow, either way, staying up like that, keeping watch, so his dad could breathe. Darn you for gettin me choked up.
Posted by: d at November 01, 2008 12:23 AM (++2xr)
If it was sinuses alone I WOULD BE UNEMPLOYED and breath right strips would be kicking my ass. But its not because they don't work, and you my friend, not working in the field clearly don't know what the hell you are talking about and should let it go.
Thanks.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:24 AM (2rMGM)
every day and if that bothers you, go piss up a rope. How's that?
Ace asked some questions and I answered. If he wanted answers to stupid questions about hockey, Pam Anderson's plastic tits or Wayne Gretzky, I'd leave that to your tender mercies.
Okay,eh?
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:27 AM (2rMGM)
It could be sinuses instead of apnea. Or they could both exist in the patient at the same time. Or it could just be apnea. Or something else.
I think you may well be a hammer/nail kind of thinker. Anyway. I'm glad you know your subject.
New Topic: "For the Security and/or Energy Minded AoSHQ Reader, Northern Canadian Pipelines Have Been Hit by Explosions Resulting from Terrorist Action of Some Type or Other 3 Times this Month... This Is in the Same Region Alaska's Proposed Pipeline Would Have to Pass Through"
I'd say this is definitely a national security and energy policy issue for both our countries.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:29 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: d at November 01, 2008 12:30 AM (++2xr)
I don't usually chime in with the snarctastic sarcasm like you folks do, so get the hell off of me for just answering a question or two from Ace.
Otherwise, bite my ass and scratch me off your frigging Christmas List.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:30 AM (2rMGM)
John?
It's not my place to say, but I will anyways, so that you have more info before shitting on people.
Ace has at least one brain ailment.
Not a major one, but, well, it's a fucking brain ailment.
I on'y mention it cuz he mainpaged it a year or so ago, so I don't think I'm breaking the rules much.
His OTHER ailment might, MIGHT be exaccerbated by something that is also associated with apnea, like, SINUSES!?!
BTW, did you notice he used the word "Apnea" rather than, "I am sleeping for shit?"
What sort of troubleshooter are you?
I don't care if you have an engineering degree, you are an idiot.
Okay, now that I got even with your bullshit attacks on us.
ACE!
my bet, is that you should take sudafed.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:30 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Swegin at November 01, 2008 12:31 AM (q0Z3p)
You bake a loaf of bread you're not a baker, you snore doesn't mean you have the slightest idea of what goes on with you when you asleep.
Now is that a hard thing to acknowledge.?
Tell me what you do for a living, and if I don't know shit all about it I'll listen to you, Since I might assume you knew what you were talking about, and not assume that commenting on a blog made me an expert in your field, whatever that might be.
And no, I really don't give a rat's ass what you actually do.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:36 AM (2rMGM)
every day and if that bothers you, go piss up a rope."
Appeal to expertise arguments don't wash with me. I respect your expertise... but it's just that, specialized. There is more than one possibility and many people have sleep difficulties as a result of sinus problems. You'd be a fool not to know that.
Besides, you haven't even examined the patient. I'm glad you offered your opinion. You might be right. If I was a betting person, I'd say there's a very good chance of it precisely because of your experience. But I don't believe that you have all the experiences nor all the answers.
Hammer/nail.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:36 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:38 AM (hawOV)
Notice Ace Vanished when this became a topic?
I wager it's not time.
How about we stop diagnosing Ace, he's a big boy, and he can take care of himself.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:39 AM (ul7te)
Probably driving to the convenience store to get Sudafed.
Yes, I'm kidding. Ace seems to be a mull it over kind of guy rather than a troubleshoot, test, and observe the results type.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:43 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:43 AM (ul7te)
Ace seems to be a mull it over kind of guy rather than a troubleshoot, test, and observe the results type
In My experience, which is about 3 or 4 years, you are SO FUCKING WRONG!!!!
No offense to Ace, but he either just ignores shit, or he goes batshit.
No really, Ace is just the word of reason never saying anything for however long, and then one day, he JUST FUCKING LOSES IT!!!! and starts banning people.
Like. . .Me.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 12:46 AM (ul7te)
damn, I am overwhelmed, truly.
But in your life mission to be you, the raging bean, the unrepentent legume, did it occur to you that sudafed, your answer to every thing sinus is about brain dead?
To wit:
Sudafed, pseudoephedrine Hcl, is a stimulant, and about the only thing worse to give a troubled sleeper than a narcotic. But being in Sleep, you already knew that, didn't ya?
And you just knew that stimulants disturb the sleep cycle terribly. And then there's the matter of "rebound congestion" where in these types of meds make the mucosal secretions in your nose and lungs worse and thicker. Making breathing harder than ever.
You already knew that though, didn't ya?
And you knew that such stimulants, being related to the amphetamines family can overstimulate laboring hearts, like that of a chronic apnea sufferer and overstimulate the parasympathetic nervous system and make problems that are severe into life threatening ones, right?
'Course you did, in your career of literally seconds of such relevant experience in this field.
Damn, what was I thinking?
Thanks, MarcusWelbyPinto,MD, I sit corrected. I'll check with you for consulting on my next case as long as you let me comment here like I deserve to sit in your reflected glory and intellect. I am humbled.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:50 AM (2rMGM)
My worst nightmare ever is pretty much going to be waking up on Nov. 5th and hearing that Barry O'Bama is the President-elect.
Posted by: thebronze at November 01, 2008 12:50 AM (n1H2t)
I'm stunned.
See ya.
Posted by: johnjacobjingleheimersmith and wesson at November 01, 2008 12:51 AM (2rMGM)
And, yes, I did know what kind of chemical it is.
I didn't want to harp on the Sudofed thing with Wickedpinto because the larger point to me it might be a sinus problem, or narcolepsy as Top talks about, or apnea as you suggest... and I don't want to get someone fixated on a particular diagnosis.
I'd rather they keep an open mind, take control of their own health care, and use specialized health care experts as resources to help solve their problems.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:56 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Who is Good Will at November 01, 2008 12:57 AM (ElNuT)
Well, I know I'm not allowed to talk about Jesus. It upsets the Christian conservatives. Who are usually my allies. Life is complicated.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 12:59 AM (hawOV)
As for that Beyond the Door flick, the scariest part...really...is the "Who are you?" at the beginning of the short trailer.
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at November 01, 2008 01:00 AM (Z9IOH)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 01:01 AM (ul7te)
I'm an atheist Christoph, and Ace admits he is at best an agnostic.
It's nothing like that.
It has more to do with my willingness to use the N word (cuz I don't give a fuck about it cuz I tend to date N word women) or my use of the C word (cuz I actually have a TITLE post using the C word at AMA) or me calling cindy Sheehan the C word, I don't give one fuck.
I don't give a fuck, and so Ace has to deal with that, and it's unfair so I contain myself here.
BTW if you want the C-word link, just ask.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 01:12 AM (ul7te)
Then didn't have a bad dream until I returned to college in 2000. I was taking Calc 3 and we had a lot of discussion about infinity and powers of numbers. I fell asleep while thinking there had to be a better way to notate powers of powers (later I found out there was). After that my dream was similar to the geometric pattern one. I saw infinityinfinity (using the infinity symbol) repeated many times. As (I stood up (my views are 3rd person) I could see it repeated infinite times to the end of the universe. I try to comprehend, in the dream, infinity to the infinity power repeated and then woke up frightened for some reason.
Posted by: alecthemad at November 01, 2008 01:12 AM (wRfjf)
It has nothing to do with Ace's nightmares. It's scary fucking shit.
h/t Patterico
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 01:13 AM (hawOV)
How about this?
Another nightmare I have, is watching an opponent die.
those dreams of others dying isn't a fantasy, it's a nightmare.
All I wanted to do was protect people, but my dreams consist of murder.
It hurts.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 01:17 AM (ul7te)
I have had the recurring tornado nightmare. Usually, I end up hiding somewhere safe and,when I come out, there is destruction everywhere but where I am.
Second recurring (though maybe not in last ten years), paralyzed awake/dreaming with the Satanic voice talking to me. Probably the scariest one I was laying in bed and I could see the clock said 3:02. I couldn't move and there was something with red eyes across the room talking to me in satanic/darth vader voice. The only thing I could move was my eyes. I kept looking at the clock and thinking "okay, this is a dream. I just need to move and I'll wake up" as someone noted in their dream earlier. At some point I thought I was screaming it in my head. Finally, I was freaking out so much I woke up. My arms were still numb and tingling from sleep so I could barely move. I looked at the clock and it said 3:11 AM. If you really want to know, it was seeing that the clock was in sequence with my dream that really made me freak out. Because, until then, I was damned sure it was a nightmare. But, seeing the clock with the right time...I couldn't sleep for hours. I realized later that I was having a waking nightmare and it wasn't unusual. Fortunately, I'm not much on the whole demons thingy or I might have been much more paranoid.
Third nightmare/dream is a recurring dream of flying. Not in a good way either. I mean, flying as in I am like superman. Usually through my house. I see everything in place like furniture, clothes I've left out, etc. Typically ends up with me flying/falling into bed, back from my little trip and then I wake up. The one that actually scared me was the dream where I flew out my window and started rising really, really fast towards the moon and starts. Unlike the other flights, though, this one seemed almost out of control and without destination except to go higher as the house and trees shrank behind me. going to high was scaring me.
However, mirroring something Christoph said, having had that dream at least four times prior to that occasion, I decided that I could stop myself and fly back after I stopped panicking. Which I did after taking a nice little flight around the neighborhood, back through the tree by my window and back through the window to land face down on the bed with a bit of a thump. Where I woke up a nano second later, laying face down on the bed.
I'm not sure if you call the last one a "nightmare" or just an odd dream, but where I fly is never the same though I can recognize every detail of the "terrain". I thought in previous flying dreams where I flew through the house that it might have been sleepwalking, but the last dream where I was flying up to the moon was definitely no sleep walking.
I don't remember many of my dreams these days.
Posted by: kat-missouri at November 01, 2008 01:17 AM (GxnBZ)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 01:19 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 01:21 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 01:23 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 01:24 AM (ul7te)
Total hat tip to Red State.
"Now, listen, I've voted 'present' two or three times in my entire 25-year political career, where there might have been a conflict of interest and I didn't feel like I should vote," [House Minority Leader John] Boehner said. "In Congress, we have a red button, a green button and a yellow button, alright. Green means 'yes,' red means 'no,' and yellow means you're a chicken shit. And the last thing we need in the White House, in the oval office, behind that big desk, is some chicken who wants to push this yellow button."
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 01:25 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 01:29 AM (ul7te)
I did have this weird dream once where a disembodied vagina floats in the darkness and makes a gug gug gug noise with its labia moving like the mouth on a hand puppet. I woke up a bit puzzled, and slightly turned on.
Posted by: spice at November 01, 2008 01:29 AM (c14cm)
Posted by: dustydog at November 01, 2008 01:38 AM (w0NJA)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 01:38 AM (hawOV)
Obama Video: "Reverend Wright the best the Black Church has to offer"
http://tinyurl.com/6prd6g
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at November 01, 2008 01:45 AM (3FVXC)
Time for one post; blogging from a hotel room.
When I was born Harry Truman was president and the commies controlled both houses. We cycled back and forth between presidents of both parties with the Dems controlling congress the entire time all the way up to the 90s. Until Reagan came along the most conservative president we had was JFK.
Drive-In came in went before I got my first car (drove a motorcycle for first vehicle). By the time I got my first car drive-ins were all porno.
Worst nightmare; more presidents and congress like we had for the first 30 years of my life and it looks like we may be headed that way.
Posted by: Vic at November 01, 2008 01:46 AM (LVIa+)
Worst nightmare; more presidents and congress like we had for the first 30 years of my life and it looks like we may be headed that way.
Not a chance, man, not a chance. Don't let the Democrat Psi-Ops operation get to you. McCain will win, and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets well over 300 electoral votes. The polls aren't just cooked, they are char broiled. Or here, let me put it this way: the bias in the polls is exactly as intense as the bias at MSNBC.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at November 01, 2008 01:49 AM (3FVXC)
Posted by: Vic at November 01, 2008 01:51 AM (LVIa+)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 01:54 AM (hawOV)
Seriously, not a chance. DON'T take this to mean we don't have to show up and vote, that it's a done deal. It isn't. But I have faith that those who recognize how bad this guy is -will- turn out, will not let the psi-ops get to them, and McCain will persevere. As long as we don't lose our nerve or fail to show up... but I don't think Americans will.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at November 01, 2008 01:56 AM (3FVXC)
Posted by: Qwinn at November 01, 2008 02:00 AM (3FVXC)
Posted by: Vic at November 01, 2008 02:06 AM (LVIa+)
Posted by: spice at November 01, 2008 02:11 AM (c14cm)
Well folks, all dressed up and got places to go. Catch yaÂ’ll on the flipside.
Posted by: Vic at November 01, 2008 02:16 AM (LVIa+)
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at November 01, 2008 02:22 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: myiq2xu at November 01, 2008 02:35 AM (+Zr/W)
BTW - I saw "The Exorcist" AND "Beyond the Door" at the drive-in on a double bill.
BTD was soooo scary I fell asleep.
"Beyond the Green Door" was a much better movie.
Posted by: myiq2xu at November 01, 2008 02:38 AM (+Zr/W)
Posted by: jane at November 01, 2008 02:39 AM (toviS)
Posted by: gp at November 01, 2008 02:45 AM (gsxJU)
Posted by: rhodeymark at November 01, 2008 03:04 AM (BeUZj)
Posted by: Gordon Marock at November 01, 2008 03:16 AM (j5N5f)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 03:17 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Michael in MI at November 01, 2008 03:20 AM (s0Zrm)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 03:20 AM (hawOV)
Pennsylvania is coming our way! If you live there, please get out there and get people to the polls on Tuesday!
Posted by: Ryan at November 01, 2008 03:25 AM (MMxvP)
Posted by: Michael in MI at November 01, 2008 03:25 AM (s0Zrm)
Anyway, did anyone see former Saturday Night Live actress Victoria Jackson call Obama a communist yesterday? It was precious. Must see video!
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 03:37 AM (hawOV)
In childhood, I would fly a lot in my dreams when pressures mounted. I'd will myself to float above whatever was going on when I was a little kid. It got to where I'd fly tracing over the highway drive to my grandparents on the other side of the state, actually stopping at the water hole my parents would always drive past on those hot desert road trips without A/C. Once when floating/flying, a weather storm blew in and rather than return for a landing, I decided to pilot above the clouds to avoid the storm. In subsequent dreams exploring towards the atmosphere I found my attachment to earth weakening, and my will to land was overwhelmed by natural forces beyond my will. It took everything in me to focus my essence back onto the ground. After that, I always prefered flying below power line level rather than above where a destructive force sensed my fear and played with my self determination trying to suck away my energy. And I eschew those dark pits eating away at my guts. Being unattached to earth and becoming part of the blackness beyond was letting go of what all mattered, and I would not. My dreams explored underwater as well, finding that breathing very slowly underwater could happen to survive when catastrophe would leave me stranded in the ocean. There were underwater people helping, showing me how to survive. Oddly, the flying ability took a lot of dreams to recall under water. Propelling oneself from under the water into the air was a spectacular thrill far better than diving in. Surviving via adaptation without requiring mechanical contraptions was nice.
Those are some of my recurring dreams from years prior. The ones from grade school discovering I'm naked standing in the lunchline were socially mortifying, but we had a coat rack at the entrance as a saving grace from that trauma.
Posted by: maverick muse at November 01, 2008 03:39 AM (F1b/5)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 03:40 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 03:45 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Michael in MI at November 01, 2008 03:54 AM (s0Zrm)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 03:59 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: BNJ at November 01, 2008 04:00 AM (1yzGh)
78 #44: *climbing off of soapbox*
Speaking of soapboxes, how in hell did the thread get to over 70 comments without anyone making a Behind the Green Door joke? Apparently this blog is 99 and 44/100% pure homo.
I just got here. I carried a date to see Behind the Green Door at the Rainsville drive in, I bet where ever it is, the windows on that old 55 Chevy are still Steamed up. 
Wonder where that gal is today?
Posted by: 1sttofight at November 01, 2008 04:08 AM (WNzrw)
No offense to your parents but that was a bit much for a young kid (I assume you were
under 12 at the time). My parents took me with them to the drive-in, too, but I never saw
anything very scary (we're talking a whole different era in this case, however).
The Exorcist pretty much established the level for that sort of horror flick, like Halloween and Jamie Lee Curtis set the standard for slasher pics forever ... and ever ... and ever.
Beyond the Door was damn scary but it sucked even so. Sucked without peer, too.
Posted by: prairiemain at November 01, 2008 04:10 AM (uDqa7)
Pump shotgun with slide that barely works
Rifle that wont cycle
Ammunition that fires with 1/2 the velocity of a roman candle
Pistol stuck in its holster
(shudders)
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at November 01, 2008 04:11 AM (F1b/5)
Seriously, Christoph, you write something like that and you don't get why people think you're annoying? That's an honest question - do you really not understand how pretentious and arrogant the above-quoted paragraph sounds? Especially when you follow it up by complaining that we're "shitting on you" for your magnanimity?
Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 01, 2008 04:37 AM (8CGjC)
In Top Secret, Val Kilmer goes into a dream sequence where he's back in college. He's wandering around with an armload of books, looking for the chemistry class, only to find out that all the exams are over. He wakes up to find he's hanging by his wrists, and two guys are beating the crap out of him.
He says, "Oh thank God!"
Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at November 01, 2008 04:46 AM (X+tXI)
Posted by: funky chicken at November 01, 2008 04:48 AM (xyyHG)
B5, Babylon 5.
A pundit is saying "Indiana is a battle ground state thats how unusual it is."
by "unusual" do you mean FRAUDULENT?!
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 05:11 AM (ul7te)
Most memorable nightmare was after the first time I saw Johnny Quest, the original. Yeah, a long time ago. When my Dad came in to comfort me and scared the crap out of me.
My wife says sometimes I now call out orders to rally men and attack again. I guess fighting back is the answer.
Posted by: TomJW at November 01, 2008 05:15 AM (XBGrP)
Seriously, Christoph, you write something like that and you don't get why people think you're annoying? That's an honest question - do you really not understand how pretentious and arrogant the above-quoted paragraph sounds?
Ace wrote a post asking for help with one of these problems (with a twist), and the others came up. Then he deep sixed the post.
So, Mrs. Peel... fuck off.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 05:16 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 05:18 AM (hawOV)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 05:24 AM (ul7te)
and I'm the one with the smoking and drinking problem. I think ace has cut way back on his smoking.
I'm about 2 packs, ace isn't even a pack, at least that is back in the days of "HOIST."
and that 13, doesn't even include the IBer's, or the AOSER's.
Peel is special.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 05:26 AM (ul7te)
So is Patty, so is LeaAnn, so is PJMamma, so is T/MoZ, so is Nice Deb, so is Gmac, so is Sohos so is TI, so are all the other Hostage wimmins.
We take care of our bitches and ho's.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 05:31 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 05:33 AM (ul7te)
After I read A Wrinkle in Time, I had a recurrent dream about being in a two-dimensional world where my lungs wouldn't function, so I smothered. Great scene. Thanks Madeleine L'Engle, great scene to put into a children's book.
Posted by: dustydog at November 01, 2008 05:04 AM (w0NJA)
Yah, THAT is one scary ass children's book. What was she thinking? The "ball bouncing and boy screaming" scene gave me shudders for weeks.
Nightmares? Here's pretty much a video depiction of my nightmares as a kid:
Oh, that and "the man in the moon" winking at me from the sky, which terrified me for some reason. Had that one till I was 18.
Posted by: former thumb sucker now lumpen emotionless mesomorph at November 01, 2008 05:33 AM (b0sdZ)
Oh, right, I used to read her. Yeah, she was one fucked up puppy, now that I think about it.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 05:39 AM (hawOV)
I remember seeing on the news an aniversery of one of the moon landings, that showed one of the "moonrise" photo's.
Ever since then, Nothing having to do with space is scary. It might be a conflict, but it's not scary, it is something we should, have a right, and MUST do.
And I'm affraid of heights, but space isn't up, it's forward.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 05:40 AM (ul7te)
Mostly in college, I had semi-frequent, incredibly vivid nightmares where usually I would be strangled. One of the worst ones was straight out of An American Werewolf in London.
I had my usual terrifying strangle nightmare and sat up in bed trying to calm myself. A hand then shot up from below and seized my wrist ala Carrie. That's when I woke up for real, screaming, still lying down and soaking wet with sweat. That was a real mindfuck because there were occasional times where I would be woken up in my pitch black dorm room but i was afraid I might still be in a dream. Even knowing that whatever terrifying thing might then happen would be a dream, I still didn't want to have to go through it.
Posted by: Prindle at November 01, 2008 05:42 AM (K55GU)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 10:24 AM (ul7te)
Make that 14.
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Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 05:52 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Nightmares at November 01, 2008 06:17 AM (Am6n/)
I was at the Judson 4 on a warm spring evening in my '66 Ford Fairlane (nicknamed 'the Ragmobile' as I never washed it and it was raggedy looking). I was there to see 'B.A.R.F' - Bizzarre Adventures in Raw Film. This was a 'Kentucky Fried Movie' ripoff, which was itself a ripoff of 'The Groove Tube'. It was heavily promoted as a comedy with a twist; one of the marketing gimmicks was that barf bags would be provided at the ticket booth.
For some reason, many parents thought this would be a great movie to take their kids to see. The drive-in was filled with station wagons parked backwards with kids in their jammies bundled up with blankets and pillows in the back, fortified with popcorn and soda, while mom and dad spread lawn chairs, coolers, and picnic baskets around the car and settled in for some inexpensive, wholesome family fun.
Soon, it was full dark and the projector kicked on. Excitement built as first the cheesy concession stand ads ran, then the Coming Attractions/previews/movie trailers. Faint cheers were heard as, finally, the movie we'd all been waiting for started.
This excitement lasted for about 7 seconds into the first scene of the movie. That was when some bimbo came running around the corner in a panic, her boobies flopping. Moms and dads started to exchange concerned glances. About 3 seconds after that, a seven foot tall penis blasted around the corner in pursuit of the topless bimbo. All around me, moms were jumping in front of their kids yelling at them to 'look away!' while dads frantically tossed lawn chairs, coolers, and picnic baskets into the car. For about 3 minutes, the movied was drowned out as the air was filled with the sounds of agitated parents and screeching tires as dozens, if not hundreds, of hastily packed station wagons zoomed towards the exits (Do not back up: SEVERE TIRE DAMAGE will occur).
Not long after that, the drive in closed and station wagons were replaced with minivans and SUVs. I can only conclude that the movie B.A.R.F. was responsible for the demise of those vernable pieces of Americana.
Posted by: Jeff at November 01, 2008 06:17 AM (t8Oyx)
There's still a drive in operating about 10 minutes from my house. It's a lot of fun to go during the summer.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 01, 2008 06:22 AM (9lZg2)
You folks are weird.
Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 06:26 AM (hawOV)
Dude, ask yourself...
Did they let you ride in the car standing on the bench seat in the front, with no seatbelt?
Did they let you ride on that shelf under the rear window?
Did they happily send you to the toy section by yourself in giant stores, so they could get their shopping done in peace?
Different times, man, different times.
Also, you're old.
Posted by: Greg Griffith at November 01, 2008 06:30 AM (6cvPQ)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 06:41 AM (ul7te)
It must've been one of the last ones to close -- small town.
It was a great place to get some.
Also, saw the first "Nightmare on Elm Street" there.
I was 11 or 12.
Pretty fun and pretty scary sitting in a lawn chair without the protection of walls.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at November 01, 2008 06:45 AM (nOQ1R)
I dream of murder. Not vengeful murder, but Cold and indifferent murder, where life means nothing. Where there is only one punishment, and only I can dish it out........wickedpinto
Remind me not to go to any sort of Hostage-palooza with you ok?
Posted by: pajama momma at November 01, 2008 06:47 AM (f3xJa)
Did they let you ride on that shelf under the rear window?
You had a shelf under your rear window? You must have been rich.
Posted by: pajama momma at November 01, 2008 06:50 AM (f3xJa)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 06:51 AM (ul7te)
All my nightmares involve me being tortured by my older brothers or almost drowned by me Aunt.
Posted by: anonymous at November 01, 2008 06:56 AM (DHNp4)
Those weren't nightmares anonymous, those were realities. At least for me.
Actually bro was as good a bro as he could be, while still being a somewhat popular guy.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 07:01 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 07:05 AM (ul7te)
Same experience with the drive-in as a kid (I'm 41 now but was 3 at the time). Can't remember what we were there to see but there was a preview of a movie which I later figured out was The Thing With Two Heads. I take it this was meant to be some kind of blaxploitation comedy...sort of. I say sort of because I still haven't been able to watch it, so I don't actually know. Anyway, at three, all that stuff was going way over my head. All I knew was there was a guy with two heads that seemed to be angry at each other, and it was utterly freaky.
I still have the Alien nightmare about 4 times a year. In my version we're not on a ship or LV 246, we're in a base that's a cross between Alpha from Space 1999 and the set from Logan's Run (only Farah Fawcett and Jenny Agutter aren't there which would make for a whole other type of dream). Just me and a few losers getting picked off. About four times a year. Sucks every time.
Posted by: John at November 01, 2008 07:17 AM (NcsIb)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 07:20 AM (ul7te)
They were realities for me also, but I guess with a little more bite. Hence the nightmares. If your brothers did what mine did there would be nothing in them that anyone could ever confuse for "awesome"
Posted by: anonymous at November 01, 2008 07:21 AM (DHNp4)
Posted by: anonymous at November 01, 2008 07:23 AM (DHNp4)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 07:26 AM (ul7te)
I fight with my big brother all the time anon, but you know what?
I have a big brother, and he loves me, he's a DICK, but he loves me.
being a little kid with a big brother, ROCKS, even if you are brutalized, I was very fortunate.
I love my big bro.
Shit, I just got misty for some reasone.
I love my big bro.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 07:44 AM (ul7te)
Rich bitches can have diamonds, and pearls, and riches, and a husband that doesn't require a pre-nup.
But they don't have big brothers.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 07:50 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: SarahW at November 01, 2008 07:55 AM (7sl9X)
Ace,
Great post. I swear Ace your chilldhood takes alot of pages from my own. (The Thing (epic horror movie top ten as well, Dungeons and Dragons,etc). But this post...Beyond the Door....OMFG. After watching a Nightstalker episode on a late saturday night my younger sister we both feel asleep in the family room. My Dad in his chair was also out like a light. This movie came on and I watched it alone in the dark....scared the shit out of me. There is a scene where the woman is asleep in her bed and her child tries to wake her. The woman answers in a deep males voice staring at the kid "WHOOOO ARE YOU!!!!" Freaking scary when your 11.. That scene woke my sister up. I had a slot car track set up in the room (Tyco Empire 1000) She jumped up and ran to her room crunching the tracks in the dark while I screamed at her for breaking my track. To this day my Dad still bellows "Who are you" in that voice to freak her out . Going to email her this link now...she's pregnant .HA HA HA.
Posted by: VinnieV at November 01, 2008 07:58 AM (rBwGp)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 08:13 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: SarahW at November 01, 2008 08:17 AM (7sl9X)
Posted by: SarahW at November 01, 2008 08:17 AM (7sl9X)
Just when i thought you were some brillant young punk with great ways with words....you impress me with your years of ( re:burt) how cool are you that you know of burt's movies sorta...lol....my crazy parents took me, my brother and my sister when i being the oldest, at the age of 12 to see the movie 10 w/ bo and ddudley moore....it's amazing how what you are exposed to at the ages of 10-14 can really shape the way your interests and hangups would lay....like for the rest of your life.....really good thread---took me back to times i swore to hide away...
Posted by: nygal at November 01, 2008 08:44 AM (Q/ahG)
I use CPAP, I'd recommend a sleep study before buying one. I think you need a script to get one.
An alternative is to use a dental appliance, if you travel alot
Posted by: Mike H at November 01, 2008 08:46 AM (1V2sa)
Posted by: Kane Rogers at November 01, 2008 08:47 AM (/cTOP)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 08:47 AM (ul7te)
Speaking of science; I suffered from Old Hag Syndrome when I was a kid. It changed my life when I found out it was a sleep disorder that lots of people have.
FYI, Old Hag is that dream where you believe something malevolent is in your room or holding you down, and you can't move.
It's hereditary too, so my kids have had it, and fortunately I knew what it was (unlike MY parents).
And uh, flying dreams are about sex. perverts.
One more thing, Ace: I remember seeing that "Beyond the Door" commmercial when I was up late watching a Godzilla flick all those years ago. That "Who are you?" made my skin crawl right off my body.
Posted by: Barbelle at November 01, 2008 08:48 AM (qF8q3)
Posted by: VinnieV at November 01, 2008 08:54 AM (rBwGp)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 09:01 AM (ul7te)
I remember it as 6.23X10to the 23rd.
But I might have been rounding up.
you know a decimal here, a decimel there over a 23! FUCKING DECIMALS!
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 09:03 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: nygal at November 01, 2008 09:07 AM (Q/ahG)
Well. OK. That's a lie. At one other blog, but I'm not into promoting other blogs - even if they're hockey related (bless you, Able to Yzerman). Oh. Well, anyway. Dreams. Did I mention I regularly dream of touching Lord Stanley's Cup? Of course not. I mentioned dreaming of a large object with geometrical patterns on it. Large being, hrm, ever-extending large. Like, you know, that tablet thingy in 2001 - if that tablet thingy were, like, God or something. God-like big with God-like complex patterns woven into its surface. Crazy. Yes, I know. Thanks.
I do have sleep problems, of this I'm rather certain. What those problems are, aside from rather severe insomnia, I'm not sure - nor do I have the means to figure it all out. I also, in case you haven't noticed, have some brain problems. Once diagnosed with clinical depression and panic attacks. There's more, I'm sure - hypochondria, perhaps? No, not really. I do tend to fit the bill for some form of mild autism, though - something my wife pointed out, actually. But also, oddly, ADD. Helps with the multi-tasking anyway, so I can't complain.
I've had the geometical pattern dream - or nightmare, I suppose (I really did find it more interesting than frightening, though, yes, it was intense - if that's the correct word for it, not sure) - many, many times. Like I wrote, it's never actually frightened me. It was just surreal. And, well, interesting. I wrote, half-joking, patterns within chaos and chaos within patterns, but that's, more or less, what it felt like. Being able to discern the patterns was the interesting part. I'd rather dream of that than, well, being attacked by a mutant hiding behind a shower curtain or, er, most other nightmares.
Can't say if it was only when I had a fever, though. Just don't know. I still get that dream, and I'm about to turn 30, so the under 20 thing doesn't work with me. Sleep deprivation might, though. And now? Well, shit, now I stare at currency charts all day, so, yeah, the dream has become reality, more or less. Still finding patterns, too, and that finding allows me to make real money. So, eh, I'm liking the dream so far. The obnoxious ability to multi-task, as the wife calls it, has its benefits, too.
And, to tie this into another Ace post, I sometimes get this nightmare while awake - or, well, half-asleep, day-dreaming, whatever.
Figuring out what those "form constants" are would be interesting.
So, yeah. Hi.
Posted by: amp at November 01, 2008 09:10 AM (h37S5)
Welcome amp.
I can't speak for everyone but I spent about 3 - 6 months pissed at not being acknowledged, thats why I created the bitch breaking thing.
So I welcome you early before you have to go to extremes.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 09:23 AM (ul7te)
Posted by: VinnieV at November 01, 2008 09:34 AM (rBwGp)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 01, 2008 09:42 AM (ul7te)
Actually, no. The ultimate form of masturbation is sending yourself mail (of the snail variety). Which I haven't done. As of yet.
Posted by: amp at November 01, 2008 09:49 AM (h37S5)
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Posted by: Christoph at November 01, 2008 11:55 AM (hawOV)
I'm traveling thru time and see the following:
1. Obama was Preasident for 8 years (John Kerry was his Secretary of State) and in the interest of spreading the wealth he gave Texas and California to Mexico and Alaska back to Russia
2. Hillary Clinton is Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Bill Clinton is the U.N. Secretary General and Chelsea Clinton is president having won all 57 54 states. The President now chooses two V.P's and Chelsea has picked both of Barack's daughters. Finally just prior to waking up I discover The 2nd Amendment has been repealed, Sly Stallone has just made another Rocky movie and Keith Obermann, president of NBC, is the most trusted and admired man in America.
Posted by: adk46er at November 01, 2008 12:21 PM (kw5eP)
If you read this far into the post...
What kind of troubleshooter am I? I'm not.
I am a school trained health care practitioner of the Technical level. I do testing, every day, I do preliminary analysis of the computerized results, it's then reviewed by a Medical Doctor, also not a trouble shooter since he's going by JAMA, AMA,AASM, and numerous other ruling bodies and organizations to arrive at the appropriate diagnosis and treatment.
You troubleshoot a wonky car with lights that flicker, or a ceiling fan that won't rotate and like that. You don't troubleshoot people, and since Ace's classic description of his gal pals saying he doesn't sleep well, he stops breathing, he has those big "recovery breathes" that I could have mentioned, well, he's describing SDB, sleep disordered breathing, not a sinus drip. I work with Respiratory Therapists everyday though I am not one, so I get to learn all about it.
Still, I am not you, the raging bean, the unrepentent carbohydrate, so I guess you'll never like me now.
I can only be that lucky.
As an aside, having read a bit of your ramblings, a good bit, I think you're a screwed up dude, and you need the troubleshooting if anyone here.
Me? I'm opinionated but only insofar as I do this stuff daily. So am I wrong to get irritated?
Maybe, but hell, you're not on my trick or treat list and I owe you no money, so,
kiss my ass.
And that, Rebellious Bean/Wicked Pinto, is all the time I'll waste on you on a nice Saturday on my way to a cookout.
And since I sleep well, limit my drinking and only ever smoked some dope in my long ago youth, I feel good, my life unlike yours doesn't suck, and this whole typing amongst strangers remains what it was for me...a novelty.
For you, this is the stuff of life, and that, my man, is weak as water.
Cheers.Tool.
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Posted by: nygal at November 01, 2008 02:42 PM (Q/ahG)
Beyond the Door? Never saw it. Never even heard of it.
Behind the Green Door. Saw it at the drive in. Fucking warped me for life is all it did. The pimple on the inside of the fat woman's thigh? Ruint me on sex with fat girls.
Go rent it. You'll see what I mean.
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